Ngl, his gameplay activates my neurons. Especially the break instance with his EBA. But yes I was shocked at how terrible his openers are. Like wave 2s are easier than wave 1s for him, which is rare for most DPS. Funnily enough, I was also thinking of double elite MOCs with no fodder. Probably requires an element-matching 4th unit to help him break. Unfortunately, I'm also extremely strapped on resources at the moment. I basically didn't have resources to level any new relics for him.

@@EiDehGaming The current MoC 11 first half does have elites only with no physical weakness btw. I tested my E0S0 2 cost team there and kinda shocked how different his peformance is compared to the MoC 12 (Even though MoC 11 is less tanky). But I think the dude just need more thinking about team building and break timimg since after some try I got 3 cycles with him which is pretty good for his bad match up.

@@ngocphung6557 what team did you use on 11?

@@sladeTek HMC Gallanger Ruan, no 5 star LC.

Something that can help(this depends of the comp and weakness tho), HMC should act first(in this order) to buff him with his ult/relic set and one shot the mob. Also something that can help is using a 2º sub dps to finish the job, but this path the only one good enough without breaking the SP economy is Luka,Sushang and FF E1.

I don't have DHIL, but he was definitely aching for supports when he released. Boothill is in a better spot than when DHIL launched imo, but I agree, there is still quite a bit of room to grow as well.

BH is Topaz in disguise. Topaz on release was borderline doo doo. BH is insanely good until you look at Firefly/SAM which has superbreak implemented into her kit with new relics to back up her dmg NOT TO MENTION Gallagher and the new fire harmony specified for break. Boothill is looking like he is going to be powercrept real quick. HOWEVER, I believe that HSR will not do that to the 1st Galaxy Ranger we meet, and to a character that was featured in 2.2 (current) and 2.3 (next) story quest. Aint no way they gnna leave him like this. My predictions are, mew 4*LC for F2P players that did not get S1, characters that work even better with him than the current one (probably an action manipulating harmony centralized around break. (Buff chr, if break, get to go again)

@@Joe-yu6uu I really like your comparison with topaz, FF Ruan mei and HMC are the best supports fot her,but Boothill HMC and RM even if them fell good, he needs something like a 5 star Luka and a Ruan mei with bronya mechanics

​@@Joe-yu6uusorry, may I know your source for fire harmony break support? I thought it was fire nihility debuffer?

Not the pun-

I actually love it. There's really something about breaking an enemy and deleting them from almost full HP that is so nice. Though RM is in a very strange spot actually. I'll describe her as a need-to-break support, since her BE buff is actually quite forgettable. I haven't actually thought about this too much, but HMC's BE buffs are far stronger and provides super break. So hypothetically, if there was a character that needed lots of BE but didn't actually need to break, then RM suddenly becomes a more awkward fit. But yeah I agree, we need more such supports.

Pretty interesting. The hardest part of all of them is just 12-1 wave 1, the rest are quite trivial. 12-1 wave 1 I thought the 4 turn strat would never be able to because there's not enough actions. Your idea sounds interesting but I'm curious how you achieve 3 turn Bronya on wave 1 with one DDD. It's something I've never even tried because my fastest SPD relics put together do not even come close to giving Bronya enough SPD (174.1), my highest is around 170. And eagle desyncs both of them unless Boothill is also using eagle.

​@@EiDehGaming 167.4 eagle+ddd also works on bronya here, but it also requires eagle on boothill himself and for him to ult after his action on the same turn bronya does, so he still acts before her next turn. finicky, but much easier to achieve than 174 raw, especially with ruan mei and boothill sig.

@@happy_ice_cream I see. Guess it works the same as my sparkle/bronya setup, but the eagle set goes on the dps itself. I've never run the eagle variant before because I don't have the resources to farm and level an eagle DPS set. But interesting anyway. Maybe I should consider doing it. Thanks!

RM actually provides one of the more important multipliers which is RES down on ult. And of course the break efficiency. Bronya's buffs for sure though, I agree. But there's some nuance here because I've noticed that there is frequently insufficient damage on wave 1, where raw damage (anything not break) actually matters quite a bit. It's why my BA is maxed and ult is decently levelled. Also at the moment, teamwide planar ornaments unfortunately only buff normal damage. So after having one set of watchmaker, there's not much more that can be done besides buffing his normal damage unfortunately.

@@EiDehGaming With the new BE effect sets that reduce def do you think it will solve Boothills raw damage issue?

I think they will release in the future a pure new break support character, just what happened with Bronya --> Sparkle, my theory is that also Ruan Mei will get one. Ruan mei looks that was made for break teams but this is false, she just boost all kinds of damage even the shield ones to help the team to deal more damage, and this shows because some things about her are wasted on break teams or dont make sense on future break teams. As an example DHIL teams, first they released DHIL and his best support was Bronya, she was perfect , but it felt clonky because the lack of SP, and then a few versions later they released the perfect support for him named Sparkle, same with Follow atack teams with Robin. Mark my words, in a few versions we will have the perfect support for BE teams, because for right now the only supports that dont feel wasted on those are HMC and Ruan mei(75%), RM feels like a support to let your team to access the enemy break state for longer and faster, but the Break teams are focused in "Access the breaked state and go n*ts on the enemy" and unlike all other break characters (even for Gallagher lol) she just doesnt break much.

@@ethannguyen9638 The first version yes, this one nope, is close to equal to the thief set because they nerfed the defense shred and boosted the super break damage(and because he doest super break then the efect is wasted.

Hmm I've actually done what you mentioned. But I just found myself running out of SP entirely. Should probably have mentioned it. The way I thought of it was 1 SP should result in at least 1 EBA on a broken enemy, so doing that gives me huge SP problems in the run.

I definitely goofed on that part in hindsight. The idea is just to slow Kafka to get Boothill ahead of Kafka to break her. The '2 turns' I'm referring to here is Boothill + Bronya's turn BEFORE Kafka's turn. Definitely not well explained. I think I was thinking of a different run when making that comment because I did 2 runs back-to-back, the other which took out Kafka in 2 turns. It took 3 here.

You should totally, cause we had Ruan mei back in 1.6 but she has aged pretty well in the powercrept meta so it's best to pull her since she boots everyone in your team and makes someone like Gallagher a DPS as well

That's a bit of a tough question. I'm not too familiar with the leak state at the moment, but depending on when RM gets a rerun, MOCs might already have rotated out to be quite unfavorable to him. At which point it may not be quite as enjoyable to play him. If you like his gameplay though, then I think you should get him provided you aren't strapped for resources for other upcoming chars. He functions quite well with HMC. Probably not on par, but it's comparing a limited support to a free support.

Brave man for trying to 0-cycle without RM. I'm not so brave yet. I'm just trying around to see what's possible with RM atm.

Not that brave, I'm just Meiless 💀

@@Hnp21Maidenle- jkjk 😂😔 I am also Meiless planning to pick her up

I guess I'm in a privileged enough position to not need to worry about who to roll for. To me, the interesting part of the game is getting things to work, as long as they have some minimum level of power.

The difference is a bit bigger than most other limited LCs. But the playstyle is generally unchanged. Ignore defense is a rather rare stat that stacks better with other def debuffers. The BE is also nice to have. But if you're satisfied with his performance, then it's more than fine.

Does he really wants crit body and phy orb ? Cuz i thought he really need speed and break % ?

:/ That's really unfortunate. Yea his own regular stats matter a lot at the start of the fight, that may snowball your performance in the entire fight. No doubt after getting 3 pocket trickshots, he is strong. But the start is rough. Not having Mei really doesn't help either.

@@Jakichan93 on paper yeah but its just like what the author of the video replied to me above. A slow start can be a very big detriment to his overall performance. I did manage to 5 cycle and get all stars on the newest moc with Boothill on second half but it was a struggle

Oh man I'm a terrible person to ask. I don't roll/activate limited eidolons, but if comfortable 0cs are what you're aiming for, and you really like Boothill then go for it. Boothill's E1 is incredibly potent as there's also the 16% ignore def. I will say though that perhaps you could try 12-2 and take out the 2 elites without killing the mob. And see if you think E1 may make a difference. If you're not aiming for 0 cycles and just want a strong DPS, then I'll say you should roll for it only if you like Boothill and will use him frequently.

His e1 is insanely good. If you can get it,go for it. You can instantly get 3 stacks of pocketshot with e1,by killing one fodder enemy at the start,and go straight for elites. Might even be on par with his sig ngl.

Something i had forgotten prior to my previous comment is that i have e1 ruan mei and is running him on quantum + pela in a sustainless comp. So 20℅ from sig, 20℅ from e1 rm, 42℅ + 12℅ from pela + resolution lc, 10℅ from qua set, which adds up to 104℅ def shred 😬😬

@@Clipsedant78if u hv E1 RM then if i were u i would go for E1 Boothill lol, if u rly like him then go for it

If you don't have his LC, it's better to go for that instead of his e1.

Doesn't really matter much. Both are pretty strong, so just go for who you want.

Bosses that hide their toughness bar can easily counter or delay him or FF but they’d probably release a support to enable BE damage without needing to break toughness for a certain number of actions.

@@sladeTek yeah that was my immediate thoufht as well (i.e. bronya, soda gorilla, sam), but other than that...for elite boss enemies idk it rly seems like he has a lot of longevity for him

@@luiss428 I mean hunt kinda needed him because the path was just being thrown off by destruction characters even in Single Target scenarios. I feel like he was made for Apocalyptic Shadow because he probably takes the less action value to kill an elite/boss over other characters. I’m just hoping the break meta wouldn’t end once borefly gets released and then they just return to normal crit.

Ruan Mei's SPD talent does not affect herself, so the 173 is 173 regardless for her. I believe the SPD i mentioned here are the actual effective SPD requirements. So if the character is affected by RM's talent, then you reduce 10% from the SPD requirement, which usually directly translates to 10 SPD

​@@EiDehGaming I didn't know that thanks. I've been bingeing your bh 0 cycles for the past few days. Great work

Yes, it caps out at 300%, just like how Aventurine's crit rate buff caps out at 4000 def.

@@scorn9018 damn i guess i dont need his sig lightcone, thx

This is not quite accurate. His crit scaling trace stops scaling past 300. But his physical break damage will keep scaling after 300, albeit quite poorly.

No just build harmony mc

not really build hmc and we'll surely get another break support dw . youll just have to wait

I tried him w mc and bronya Idk if i like him

If they release break support firelfy will become better than acheron and surely they dont want that

@@zahurulislam5044if they release a SUPERBREAK limited support better than HMC then yes FF is going to literally break the game, if they release a general break effect support, even though FF can also benefit from it i believe Boothill and other general break dps will benefit more from it, this just my opinion tho

I haven't seen Sam's kit yet. And tbh, I actually thought the opposite, that the gameplay is really straightforward as you mostly only need to build SPD and BE for the most part and focus down 1 unit at a time. It's just that with 0 Cs, exact toughness values matter for him far more than other DPS at the moment.

I sure hope so. All the current relic sets are awkward fits for him.

perhaps. but are those relic stats realistic? and I'm rather ambivalent about using gold cost as a metric

@@EiDehGaming kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLVnopSi2ZupXaM.html Pretty much realistic. At 0 cycle run, the wind set is much better than the old break set. Also, while gold cost is not the most important thing, it does show the capability of a unit at low investment. Just try to point out that Boothill while playing correctly is very good. Oh but the traiblazer in that video is E6, which is only obtainable in 2.3. He still could 0 cycle first half with bronya tho.

@@12-lenamhoang87 Thanks for sharing, but I'm sorry I genuinely do not care for private server 0 cycles. There is a real resource cost to every character I level and every relic I level on the live server. That something is 'achievable' is very different from that you or I will spend resources to farm for it.

@@EiDehGaming i mean, those relic substats are not even hard to get lmao. Private server was a place to test thing before go live, hence if the relic stats are not hard to get it shows the potential of character. Saying you don't care is just a way of saying you can't imagine such way of doing it in the first place. Wind set is absolute an option for Boothill, and saying not using its cause its feels wrong to use one a dps is kind of funny. To its their own, just want to remind you that 3 cycle Boothill is available with 136spd windset, sig and DDD. Calling them not realistic is kind of dumb.

@@12-lenamhoang87 🤦‍♀I think you didn't quite understand what I saying. The private server comment is completely different from every other comment I've made on this post, and different from the earlier comment the moment I figured it was a private server showcase. Very nice of you to try and combine both my comments together to spin up a different meaning to argue against. There's a reason why my response to you is different from my response to other players mentioning them pulling off the eagle 6 turn strat on their own. The comment is about whether or not YOU or anyone else will commit to farming a wind set for Boothill to make this 0-cycle happen. While also farming for whatever relic sets are required for every other single 0-cycle showcase a person makes on a private server, not just Boothill ones, and replicate them on the live server. The point has nothing to do with if the relic sets are hard to get or not. It is the opportunity cost of building such a set, especially without refreshing trailblaze power.

I still think Ratio is stronger and far less conditional, but who knows. It is what the game is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

​@goofsphere1boothill doesn't really need hmc

but he still has weaknesses

?? It's a lot of effort to do voice recording on top of the video itself, and makes changing the vid a pain. This is a side hobby, there's a limit to how much effort I can put into the vid.

theres literally a video of him 0 cycling without ruan mei

Ruan mei is a must for all player indeed

@@fis8010 thnx mr cant take a joke obvious

​@@ghotyolocanisyn2880 Eh, it's more like the joke isn't very effective. It's more entertaining to poke holes in it than appreciate it.

​@@Sunrise20403 she was replaced by robin in most teams

Well, have you seen how fast he actually breaks the bar? It's not a problem, besides he only need like 2-3 breaks to kill most things

Bruh , boothill and the imc are in the same team, you know what that mean right xD?

If he can break on 0 Cycle fast, what makes you think that after it will be hard? It's not like he loses his ability to break

He's actually at his weakest at the start of a fight, since he has to spend a few turns building up pocket trickshots. Once you max those out it only gets easier to break an enemy again. I still 3 or 4 cycle'd the current MoC12 with a sustain and average build.

He delays enemies.

no. I just don't refresh trailblaze power

Him and ratio are very different units despite both being hunt. Ratio is all about debuffs and consistent damage while the other one has backloaded nuke damage. I actually think ratio is in a better spot just by virtue of how much support he has access to but BH definitely has a higher dmg ceiling than him though it's harder to reach due to BE dps being a newer mechanic.

I think ratio is still stronger actually. Ratio's biggest weakness is an excess of small mobs that have a little too much HP to kill with 1 skill, like 12-1 wave 1. But his rotation with 3 turn sparkle has very little conditions besides some enemy hit RNG and has an insane damage ceiling. It's also much easier to scale up Ratio's damage because of it's straightforward scaling. Whereas Boothill's damage is really hard to scale up once you've hit a certain amount of BE.

@@EiDehGaming really? That's nice then, a free character being the king of 0 cycles in single target MOC.😁