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I pray to panties every day

Doesnt derange and orange rhyme ?

in the end Re-Zero wins the cake with 25 oranges . Best Protagonist : Echidna Best Fight Scene : Echidna drinks the bodily fluids Best Soundtrack : Re:Zero S2 OST Echidna Best Waifus : Echidna Best Storytelling : Echidna (エキドナ) was the Witch of Greed. Mentioned throughout the series, particularly for her connection to Roswaal and Beatrice, she formally debuted in Arc 4 as a major supporting character and later secondary antagonist. Best Animation : her jiggly お尻とおっぱい Best OP : BRUH IT STARTS WITH HER AND ENDS WITH HER SMILE (Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- Season 2) Best Episode : EVER Episode had Echidna in it Best Characters : Echidna ( you ask me why ?): -Race :Human -Gender :Female -Age :19 (Castle of Dreams version)( Not illegal :D ) -Mid 20s (actual body) :400+ (soul) -Hair Color :White -Eye Color :Black (Iris) White (Pupil) -Height :164 cm (5'5")

@@idunno_justbored.7838 nah youtube is broken

@Ytfku Hol Up, what do you mean by that🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

amazing chest ahead

Why ffrieren like songs

​@@Durandal-vi5pv*shockingly large chest ahead*

a chest with a 1 percent legendary grimoire drop

I agree

i share his love for oranges but I'm still mad that he made me ruin a bag of grapes by putting them in the freezer. I couldn't eat them cause they were like rocks and when they thawed enough to eat they were mushy. DONT FALL FOR IT, IT'S ALL LIES

And what's not to love!

@@clashwithkeen you need to eat one like every 2 seconds to test if it’s thawed enough then you have 1 minute to eat the rest before they thaw more

And Mushoku Tensei.

Until it turned into a trashy in-ses-t harem anime

@@rushindweeb4085ah yes because all the siblings of the land started the ancient cesty game

@@happygiyuu look up the greyrat family tree and you'll see how many of his kids marry their uncles and aunts And even though it was removed due to how messed up it was, rudeus' sister aisha (early to mid 20s) seduced his son when he was around 12 and rudeus walks in on them doing the deed. After the whole family rejects their relationship they run away together and are found about two years later and she's pregnant with his kid...

@@rushindweeb4085 I guess my comment was a bit more truthful lol, Ik the spoiler of sun freaky incest shit. Spoiler… Aisha went to Ars because she saw Rudeus in him. And the reason she was after Rudeus is because Lilias dumbass basically said she had to serve Rudeus forever lol I get whachu mean tho

@@happygiyuu that's why I said she seduced him So yeah, your comment before was actually spot on xD

yeah with turning point 3 its a great occasion to do it again

@@xbgsheikiii3593 maybe next season idk, what I do know is that they gotta get on business with animation quality for that one

I hope they really do the season 1 openings again, it made the world feel so big and vibrant. With the new openings and story direction so far the world feels so small again.

its probably unlikely tho, cus a set intro sequence saves time in animating each episode. The reason for s1 having those integrated intros was likely the abundance of time given to produce s1 compared to the very little time to produce s2.

REAL

(I'm a man)

That's a man

Denken is a man's man dude ran out of mp and charged in swinging hands at people 3 times younger than himself. who doesn't like Denken.

@@Roeclean so?

Watch Delicious in dungeon, it's really good too, similarly good. By that I mean it has a lot of the same qualities that makes Frieren and Mushoku good af, but the anime is made by Studio Trigger. I've been enjoying it this season too.

​@@kwebvin9939delete this comment you spoiled the most important plot twist

@@kwebvin9939 Is there an anime/movie/show that you really want to watch? Let me know so I can spoil it for you.

@@Gudiesthe most important plot twist _so far_

@@kwebvin9939it gets better yknow

Fr

So is Frieren.

And the fact that you listed like 6 important characters and didn't cover any one of the characters I think are the best written characters IN mushoku tensei, just says it all.

Norn Before Rudeus: not alive After Rudeus: best girl Jokes aside though she's genuinely great and I think it comes down to her being a "normal" person surrounded by legends. They could have done what most stories do and made her sympathetic in every way by making her the "ugly duckling" but instead there's nothing wrong with her and she doesn't really having any giant weakness compared to the average person. It's just that she doesn't get compared to average people and has to make her own path in a setting where she is disadvantaged. In fact her one strength above normal people would be her looks but that's a family trait and adds to the expectations of greatness she has to deal with.

Norn, imo, is the most well written character in the series. I mean, the author said it himself, that he had to chose another MC to write abt, he would pick Norn

@@quangtuantran7181 I wrote a comment talking about how the most recent episode was one of the best in the series even from the perspective of someone who finished the light novel it was extremely well done and made me like Norn even more than I did after reading the light novel. Man this is probably one of the most emotional seasons

Gosh dude the characters in Mushoku Tensei and the whole world is like watching an actual world, not just an anime. Like all the people that even have just a slight amount of influence play a role and even the side characters to a certain extent. All the characters in the show you think have no depth are likely well acquainted with some of the main characters/side characters and it feels like they’re genuinely real people (like Nokopara knowing Roxy and Zanoba’s perv brother being our introduction to Zanoba as a character) Every little thing is interconnected but it doesn’t get ahead of itself and stays within the boundaries that is reality and feels like it could have actually happened within the story/world that story is set in itself

Roxy is the best waifu might be better rhymes with you

@@cpnsumthin True.

She is the worst out of them Edit :-For me it's orstead> sylphy>eris>roxy

Roses are red Please accept my pledge When Eris comes into sight I start to edge

And Frieren's the best Momma

Thank you bro 😎

Infinite seasons sound good, but I'd prefer if we get to see the ending.

@@Sukenus real

Unfortunately Frieren s2 is up in the air. Madhouse isn’t known for making s2 and if they do it usually is sub par compared to season 1.

@@KhanMann66 The studio doesn't matter. It can change for season 2. With Frieren specifically, the main issue is we have to wait for more of the story to be released in the manga first.

If it helps, I watched both Frieren and MT with my mom.

I agree with you here. Personally, I preferred Mushoku Tensei because of how massive of an impact it brought to my life. However, I can't really recommend this to my other friends, especially if they're new to this controversial topic. Frieren, on the other hand, despite not having a large impact as MT, I happily shared and discussed this series with my other friends, even to those who doesn't watch anime

​@@randyrandom3358what 💀

I agree It's the same for me Both me and my sister love anime I recommended her frieren and told her it was my favorite fantasy anime But in reality MT is my favorite And not in a million years I will suggest MT to her She knows about it but I have warned her like it was 'Berserk' and not 'MT'

Balls of f-ing tungsten ​@@randyrandom3358

Killed Rudy too

Dragon daddy is the best

@@user-px6my4tl3z He got better...

Dont forget Vita and Radar Reia, The Dragon Kingdom Emperor, 2 Dragon General

"I took my orange 4-inch door-hinge out of storage then ate porridge with George"

@@GuacJohnson dick head you fuckin beat me to it

Not to mention the House of Orange is the Royalty of Holland.

@@GuacJohnsonliterally none of those were a perfect rhyme. there was not a single word other than orange with the exact ending of the -ore-inge ending sound

Should've just said syringe ​@@GuacJohnson

Frieren definitely has changed. Her demeanor has probably not changed too much. But her attitude and empathy towards others developed immensely. Maybe the premise of Frieren being "after the hero's journey" may disorient some viewers, Frieren does definitely change, as seen with the time she spent with Fern.

Its so funny to me when she realizes Fern is growing anxious over wasting her life on some random unimportant whim Frieren has and she's like "okay fine, I'll only keep looking for 2 more years and then we can continue" lol

Especially clear in manga.

i like stories that focus on the main character so frieren journeys whatever didnt appeal to me that much literally couldn't get through the first episode

@@bluegate4630 man i also hate it when every character in a show is also just as compelling as the main character and feel like they also have their own unique story to tell in a world so full of life and intrigue. i hate it when characters except the main are all one dimensional tropes which only exist to further the main character’s development.

in fact, Rudeus tried to kill himself not because of attitude, because. he never truly loved Sarah, but because he felt hated by both Sarah and the group with whom he spent a lot of time. That’s why he was amazed that in the end he was saved by the Soldier, who, in his opinion, on the contrary, hated him the most

just casually throw a spoiler in there for how an entire story arc ends..

@@Ghorda9 to be fair most people watching this video has watched mushoku already or absolutely HATES it with passion I'm on the third group after finishing the novels 4 times already and I gotta say all thing considered that spoiler is... acceptable

@@user-zl1vf4me1p this video isn't spoilery itself and i don't see why any of the comments should be different

@@Ghorda9 fair

Valid take man. Hope you have a good life.

You're right, oranges are peak

If someone were to make an orange monopoly, they would have the power to control all the oranges in the world. That's seems very significant to me.

And also because oranges are one of the largest fruit consumed per year so you could technically control an entire nation with oranges as their biggest exports now you have reached into the realm of politics then you starts ruling the world by expanding your oranges empire and release an invasive specie of locust made in a lab in north korea to eradicate and make all the other fruits extinct so now you have oranges as the only fruit in the world which increases its demand after that you rule over the world because everyone will get scurvy without vitamin C sources from fruits now it's a global health issue so you start making oranges a new global currency and thus making you rule the world

@chickenofskilledvariety ikr we eating good

@@DaChickin-ic7mp I have a feeling he's gonna be p/humping a new video every episode of re zero s3.

I know… Its tiring trying to defend something so misunderstood

So true...

@@playermasterfun7334 bro....as someone who has read it....there is a demographic who finds who story relatable. I am not part of the demographic, most regular people can't relate to the story. All my friends who do relate to the story, I can tell you are not regular people

@@noirekuroraigami2270 That makes sense. Mushoku tensei have always fulfilled the "You can be a better person" lesson but for people who did it to themselves rather than getting caught by a terrible situation.

@@noirekuroraigami2270 btw, funny pfp where you got it from?

Holy shit bro thank you! Genuinely one of the best compliments I’ve ever received

@@Echidnut Haha You're welcome man, just thought you should know, im sure many others feel the same way about you and that's why they watch. you're a king 👑 I hope you appreciate yourself as much as your audience does. Keep killing it bro.

@@camilogallardo5262fax described what i’ve been wanting to say for years

Look, Mushoku tensei has many more similarities with The Lord of the Rings than with Game of Thrones, at least as regards the construction of the world and the importance of the various characters and their stories, you mentioned Elinalise, to give the same example I can say that she has a story that is probably more complex and interesting than that of all of Frieren's characters combined, but this is true of almost all the characters that are introduced.

weird way to describe reincarnation lol

you forgot how to spell baby

@@gaat_chris4960 I don't think reincarnation is the fitting word either, despite everyone using it. You wouldn't get to keep your past life memories and personality after a reincarnation.

@@Sukenus Actually in the case of top Tibetan Holly figures they keep the memories or so it is claimed. And others claim past life memories as well. As the principle that some are reincarnated with memory over thousand years old it is a form of reincarnation (even if it is false it is part of the description) I'll go farther there is no such thing as reincarnation and science had proven it in studying how the brain develops. You are your personality and memories once they are gone you died even if there is a spiritual connection to the follow on person you will never enjoy it. But I did have to correct your impression of existing beliefs.

@@RedRocket4000 Yeah, you're right. I forgot that some ppl claim/believe to remember their past lives (or fragments of them). But I agree with the science part.

Yeah cause you like minors deep inside

I've yet to find a hater that knows about consent.

@@InevitableTruth. Because having an underaged girl give consent is better?

@@aquagamez1415 Well, teenagers do that all the time. Can you deny that?

nah, world building in MT is also insanely good, there is a lot of history but that was not shown yet, only mentioned stuff like Laplace war. All that is going to be explained later and its going to blow your mind :)

I disagree. The flashbacks themselves are good, but they usually disrupt the scene they come in. Sometimes I almost forgot what was happening before them.

@@Sukenus You just have shit memory dawg no offense.

I actually think the flashbacks are one of the weakest aspects of Frieren. They're impactful at first, but they're far too frequent and lack any sort of subtlety, so after a certain point it just feels like emotional manipulation. The whole format of >scenario >flashback to very similar scenario in Himmel's party >Frieren repeating verbatim what Himmel said to her in that scenario gets tiring really quickly.

Yeah but then Mushoku Tensei should get an extra point for the turning point episodes. Having episodes with not only world changing events but events that change who's in the main cast, change the location and direction of the story. Not many stories can get you to love the characters and their stories and then basically drop them(for a time) and not have you missing what was dropped.

And i thought it was only to see some minor panties

You have 100 likes I don't want to ruin it

Depends to what friends, i recommended to my best friend and she loved it, other friend hated it, so yeah

Better for yourself right?

I recommended to my friends they really liked it They just watched and enjoyed it as a show Because they know it's fiction bruh

you definitely can't recommend mushoku tensei to your feminist Friend

Well, yes, Frieren is a shonen so it's practically for everyone (except maybe the very young), but in any case I wouldn't call it a "masterpiece" given the insufficient world building and the concepts that are interesting but not taken into consideration adequately, furthermore the system magic is non-existent, and being a story that is 95% about magicians it would be important.

For now. As someone who's read ahead the thing that makes Mushoku Tensei special is time. They build up characters and make you care over time. Like he said in this video Paul is going to be a great example of this. He's the character that has made me realize how dumb it is that so many stories don't include parent characters. Anime is especially bad for this. Most main characters don't have parents only mentors.

@@CC-of5xl That's the main difference of the two shows. MT is developing over time (especially on the character department), while Frieren is a story after her peak in life already happened. And regarding the parent thing, that can't be helped. Anime is dominated by the "shounen" genre, where the main target audience doesn't wanna hear about parents.

@@Sukenus except you also get a lot of development in frieren, it's just really subtle, the frieren you see as the end of the series is notably more expressive than she was at the start

that's crazy + not reading allat

Happy for u / Sorry that happened

^^^ "Hi, I just commented to let you know that I didnt read your comment" ^^^ bruh you guys are not only in an analysis video, you are also replying this rude ahh reply to a comment not specifically meant for you. Let me guess, you people used to copy homework and complain when you get low score?

@@Blu-ps5rq Im so sorry that happened! / Thats great!

@@dratini1247 get a life

I may be biased/unfair since I've finished Mushoku while Frieren is still releasing, but I don't think the world building is even remotely comparable.. the more I think about it the less sense it makes for it to be a tie, Mushoku wins that category easily. As you said, everything in Mushoku tensei is connected to eachother. It rewards you for remembering small details about the world in ways Frieren doesn't begin to compare to without contradicting itself. The depth, ties, flow of time, unchanging laws, fleshed out histories, overlapping plot threads, etc all done in a way to feel as natural as breathing is something that Frieren just hasn't matched up to, even in the latest major arcs in the manga. There's ofc always the point of Frieren's side quests being super deep but they're essentially all tied back to something about Friren's party excluding a few that are expressly meant to show that the world doess't revolve around them. However, needing to include things to intentionally make it feel as though the world doesnt revolve around the Hero party, to me, is not a good thing. Mushoku has compelling side quests and back stories of its own without needing to add those occasional outliers to make a point. I could go on but I'd end up talking myself in circles since I'm not used to talking about this kind of thing with others. In any case, I don't feel like Frieren's world building (amazing as it is in terms of vibes) matches up to Mushoku's deep and developing world. And no, I don't think Flamme's backstory chapters close the gap, similar things are handled much better often in Mushoku. Not to mention Rudy and his group basically are Flamme anyway. That just goes back to my initial point about them being Post vs. Pre "Demon Lord" stories. The 'pre' is forced to explain more, do more settup, etc that the 'post' can simply write off with a few words that may or may not be explained later.

@@RealBunnyWalker Excellent summary dude. Couldn't have said it better myself. MT is a truly special show

He did fight a demon lord tgh, sure not someone as strong as laplace but still he did fight 2 demon lords in his life time, but laplace isn"t even the last boss, he was just a mini boss in the end

@@kumasan9537wouldn’t that deserve a spoiler warning since the anime is only in its second season?

@@_Sloppyham kind of forgot to put it mm

So overpowered

Thank you bro! You deserve all the oranges

As a manga reader for Frieren , and a LN reader for MT. Frieren character's development is very few and spare. She just realized her love for Himmel and feeling for others people the entire story. Rudeus on the other hand, change so much even at the current Anime arc: from a pervert, to fighting his PTSD, to realized Eris is a person (ep 8), to realized people get killed when he messed up ( ep 11), to understand Paul, to love Eris, to heart broken, to try fixing his PP by assaulting the Beast girls, to fall in love with Sylphy and then be a husband....etc... The character development of Rudeus is insane , I haven't see any Fiction that actually do so many facets of a person's life like MT.

@@nguyendi92 you missed my point completely. didn't bother to read the answer, since i watched the video. frieren has some character developement, not zero, that's my point.

​@@Fish-ub3wn It don't really matter cuz MT wins either way 💀

@@AdynW here take your browney points

@@AdynW agreed.

counter argument, mushoku was one of the first to do these stories(note i am not caliing it was the very first as i cant confirm this but it was definetly one of the first few), so dragging it down because others copied is a bit harsh imo

Don't really want to undermine your opinion, but I think you're not giving mushoku that much credit just because it's a redemption story. Do note that I don't just refer to mushoku on anime but also on the books. So while you may think my opinion is invalid now, it may make sense later in the next arc of mushoku. Just as Frieren show how to move forward in life. Mushoku just hits differently. We see how rudeus in his past life is beyond redemption, given a chance to start again but with his trauma and personality, changing completely wasn't easy. Then life and God constantly shits on him. But still, with his flaws we journey with Rudeus and see how he matured since he was a child until he became a man ready to sacrifice everything just to protect what's important to him. While I like Frieren, for me it's not on the level that made me feel when I watched and read mushoku. While being fantasy, mushoku just feels so real. The characters, the story, just wait for the next two arcs of mushoku. That's when I think it's at its peak. The pure suffering and reality Rudeus had still makes an impression for me till this day.

@@Timiboy Fair point.

Mushoku Tensei feels more real, but Frieren feels like a timeless and universal masterpiece.

huge +1

Because he himself will have to find this strange, the world is not an artificial intelligence that will punish him randomly over time, he tries to change his attitudes and see that more than he really was he is disgusted but happy to change. It's actually kind of ironic since in the future Rudeus will see this type of thing with another person (no spoilers) and he will be disgusted by it too

I do have to agree with how some of his perverted aspects are handled to be a negative part of it for me... We shift away from his negative behaviors, which is good, but narratively not always feel the weight of those negative aspects in the story itself prior.

@@raec5426 Well it's not like it's something alarming, he's kind of already learned it if you see him get beaten up and then suffer from ED by Eris

​​​​​​​​​​@@Lipe326 Rudy being a pervert early on was more treated like a gag is what I mean, even Eris beating him up is more of a comedic tone for that gimmick before. I didn't care for kidnapping beast girls episode in S2 pt 1 either after Rudy had some character development. He groped a girl to check his ED. But in narrative, the beast girls are just seen as getting the punishment they deserved, so nothing was seen as wrong by Rudy in the story. That was what made the beast girls respect him as their leader as a narrative reward. I liked him standing up to the girls in the school yard, but the other stuff after went too far imo. I still like MT and Rudy overall, but I still have some areas to critique for some of those aspects.

@@raec5426 Well if it wasn't made as a comedy sometimes it would make things even worse at least he didn't go too far until she had consent and she become an adult.

100% agree. If it wasn't for MT season one making me want to read the novels, i probably never would have got into reading light novels, i was up to like volume 16 before season 2 even started airing, and now i'm up to volume 23. I just read one or two books and then don't touch them for months lol. I don't want the story to end too quickly, or to have to wait for the next ones to release, which are the redundancy volumes at this point.

It's true, unlike Freeren, which is aimed at a larger audience, Mushoku is hard to recommend. Despite its cult status and recognition, due to the controversial content, Mushoku Tensei was even afraid to be adapted into anime. Therefore, the anime was released only in 2021, when other issekai like Konosuba and Re zero received anime much earlier, despite the fact that in 2012 Mushoku was more popular than them.

@@user-dm9fx9qn8c Yes The very damaging to people and our culture denial that people have sexual thoughts because of religious belief that most don't even have is bad.

You just massively condemned Frieren as it continues to push the idea that normal people don't have frequent sexual thoughts and almost everyone has some very sexual thoughts that would be bad to act on. The power of the taboo instinct once set is massive and violating can cause emotional damage ask almost all LGBQT+ raised in conservative condemning of LGBQT+ household. This is also a very good example of how Taboo can be totally illogical and harmful. As authoritarian power is based on repression of sexual expression in part this a major reason authoritarians and those who want to oppress women the sexual nature of people and censoring nudity, sex and making women into sexual objects and making them cover there bodies is done. Women have the most power, Democracy has the most power when nudity no a taboo, when sex not a taboo even for children seeing it, when young attractive women wear little to nothing women have more power and the society is more free, where what people call porn is very legal and uncensored people are free and women have power and respect. As showing violence and not showing sexual things how cultures prepare the population to like war I say the popular saying of the Anti War movement during Vietnam. Make Love not War. And thus sexual thoughts and characters who like to have sex are needed in stories. And children who do have sexual thoughts but in a child like way like in Spy Family and Dragon maid are also needed as we have reached historical highs in young people killing themselves and being unhappy. So the two centuries or so experiment of extending childhood is a partial failure. Might not want them starting families as soon as the girls can have babies with 3/4 of children not living plus needing army for next war that was required not an option back then, but at least all children and juvenile adults need to know them having sexual thoughts and feelings is normal that they are not abnormal and evil which most kids deep down must think they are in modern life.

​@@RedRocket4000 bro your insane and you either gotta relax and deconstruct or seek help, not a fan of the alphabet community but they have no bearing on this conversation and this society is already hypersexual and doesn't need more than what it already is if you cant see that then I don't know what the to tell you.

No intro = Best intro (fr)

@@Pathetic-Ali If you are talking about openings, absolutely yes, openings are a budget saver and a waste of time, they will also be beautiful to look at but it is much better to use that time so as not to be forced to cut out beautiful speeches/reasonings.

Feel like people need to learn about the difference between character development vs character growth

Fern in the last episodes behaves much more like a child than in the beginning, ready to be offended by anything, while Stark, although he has changed a little, basically behaves almost the same. if anything progressed, it was the relationship between Stark and Fern

@@Aquakabijust to check, is character development about getting to know the character and their motivations, while growth about the character changing/maturing?

​@@dhjijejd6980 if you watched it objectively you would notice fern and stark development.. yes fern still throws tantrum and stark still seems to be immature sometimes but that's normal, because that's what you would expect from a 18-19 y.o teenagers.. maturing but still somewhat childish.. like a sein said in episode 14 and 17

@@emirarfandani5655 As I said, I actually have no complaints about the specific development of relationships. it just seems strange to me that from the very beginning Fern looks like a girl who had to grow up early and who for most of the episodes behaves like an adult and rational, with each new episode she becomes more and more like a child, I understand that they are 18-19 but this is already that age at which they are usually not offended by touching with the expectation that they will receive sweets.

You right we should compare mushoku tensei to Chillin in another world with level two super cheat powers

@@DaChickin-ic7mp haha, that’s great.

How is MT godtier?🥴

@@akifyyy hey everyone has their own opinions… I just have faith that post ed arc the show will you know not have another ed arc haha

@@ashstolley yeah... opinions

Not Mushoku Tensei. The only reputation Mushoku Tensei gives towards Isekai and Anime is that sexually harrasing women as a "comedy trope" is still acceptable for anime.

@@PrimaDonnaBoi Thats not mushoku's fault, its people who cant differentiate fiction from reality and bring woke shit into anime.

@@pralay_xox Sure. Being respectful to women is "woke" now.

@@PrimaDonnaBoi i get what you're saying and you're correct. But you are supposed to despise that kind of behaviour. Rudeus develops as a character and you should praise that development even if you hate the character. Its good storytelling. Its the same with avatar showing sexism. Even i hated him at the beginning but its his development made me root for him. The development of rudeus is what that makes him such a good character,not his personality

​@@PrimaDonnaBoi Oh later the business will be more respectful Rudeus will end up being the one dominated

Yeah, the stickiness of the bread was pretty on point, but the first half of the animation feels like something being unwrapped more than torn

Probably because it addresses many issues that are unknown to young people (who ultimately make up the majority of the audience). Furthermore, the moralism and decontextualization are terrible and those who hate the series exploit every little thing.

Ruijerd was the only S tier character in Mushoku Tensei

​@@Trizzer89nah

​@@Trizzer89Wait until season 3 bro

​@@Trizzer89 Agreed. But Paul makes it to S tier further into the story.

@@ivandreuxzuev9473’im not his son, but he is my father’

If you’re talking about Pax, the who sexually harassed Roxy, well he definitely gets some consequences later lol

​@@Echidnutwell also Rudy, but Eris gave him the cleanest combo I've ever seen 2 seconds later.

Bro has not watched the anime

*2 Figure Age Gap*

lil bro got read like an open book by Echidnut

bro doesn't know about the age gap between her and Himmel

@@kromysol2189 Do y'all really not understand what pedo actually means?

@@kromysol2189at least they’re both consenting adults 😂

me too, but im gonna give it another try watching because my friends seem to like it very much

For me, a big flaw of Frieren is the lack of rules, currently the magic works a bit as the author wants, and when it works like this the viewer cannot predict what will happen (and not in a good way), in second place there 'it is the introduction of interesting concepts on paper but which are then not exploited or are even contradicted during the work.

Yep. Frieren might not "look" different but her personality has changed dramatically since her time in the Hero's party.

@@Draconic_Incenerator it has changed, but to say it has changed "dramatically" is INSANE, she just always has that same neutral face on and she still doesnt really show much emotion or care about anything or anyone

@@earthcakeplays2905 Then you havent read/watched the series.

Yeah, they went OVERBOARD with the language. I think they made 3 fantasy languages just for MT, Human God, Demon God and... Best God maybe? i don't remember

I somewhat agree that Mushoku Tensei has more detail in lore and world building, but skimming through it all it kinda just becomes extra flavour for what is essentially also standard fantasy underneath. The different races there are essentially just humans with horns or longer ears. Frieren while surface level and skimmed through most of it, it's take on its fantasy races is pretty exciting from the logical take on the elves emotions to the unique take on Demon as "evil races" being essentially apex predators with human level intelligence. I've started watching both at the same time, so the comparison is pretty fresh but I'm impressed by Frieren abit more.

​@@snimon5824 I don't agree with you at all, especially in the part about the race I don't see how Frieren has a unique take on the demon being evil with human-level intelligence isn't that like every other fantasy out there. well let's go for the Mushoku Tensei part about races I will only talk about demons races we have the Migurd race they have a unique look with a 200 hundred life span and have Their special ability is to communicate with their kind via telepathy then we have the superd race they have pale skin, green hair, and red gem (third eye) on their forehead that allows them to detect living beings and the flow of mana and They are born with a forked tail, which hardens and falls off to become their trident spear as they grow up and lastly, we have The Immortal Demon Race are descendants of the First Demon God. Males have jet-black skin and six arms while females only have two arms. Their most prominent traits are their Demon Eyes and immortality that allows them to regenerate after their bodies are destroyed. I can go on about various races and their ways of life, aspirations, and distinct unique skills that pass down from generation to generation, etc., so I'm not sure how they merely resemble humans with horns and large ears.

@@Kratos_Sky You miss the part where I said "apex predator". Tho I didn't quite explain, so imagine a cat or tuatara lizard. Solitary predatory animals but imagine giving them human level of intelligence but still having its base instincts. In a nutshell, they are an entire race of amoral psychopaths that hunt humanoid races through aggressive mimicry. Mostly solitary but form loose gangs, only really got together and organised because of the Demon King. They're not really evil as predator animal hunting its prey wouldn't be considered evil. Your Mushoku Tensei race examples don't really show them having any different mindsets to humans, hence just humans with horns or humans with longer ears. (Tho the beast folk animal behaviours are somewhat interesting) It works for the subversion of "we're not so different/humans are the real demons", it's culturally different but human culture are already diverse. Not that there's anything wrong with this, but it's soo many fiction already done this already. Mushoku Tensei is really just Dragon Quest, Elder Scrolls or Warcraft but with more anime tropes with its cat girls and demon lolis. Mushoku Tensei's advantage is that it has more detail for its world thanks to its novel form and it's a finished story but that doesn't make it "league better than Frieren".

​@@Kratos_Sky Read El dorado arc bro... frieren demons are very unique and fantastic in there own way. While I agree mushoku tensei wins the world building part RN but it's a complete storyline. While frieren is still ongoing and but so far it have shown us immense potential with great characters and world-building specially the latter half of manga is just so good in terms of writing. Let's wait until both series gets wrapped then we'll decide which one was superior. Both series have different strengths and weakness but both are great in ther

JJK pfp says enough. Funny how you talk about never watching a good anime as if season 2 of MT isn't mediocre at best.

@@UndeadMerchant atleast its not an anime where i fall asleep in a minute in the first ep

atleast frieren isnt a pedo

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I agree hard with your comment. Frieren has high production value, but none of the heart and soul that Mushoku does. It's wild so many people think its a masterpiece in spite of the fairly bland characters, and somehow forgettable soundtrack (even though Evan Call did Violet Evergarden).

@@shironasama0445 Agreed. The high production value by studio Madhouse carried the whole anime literally. Nowadays just a bit of good animation is all it takes for people to rate something at least an 8. In my case I never consider animation to be any kind of determiner of a good show. Story, Narratives, Characters, World building, sometimes psychological aspects and character development are the main thing to look for when judging a show. And Frieren did nothing in those criteria which can be called out of the ordinary. It's way too blend and generic.

And imo MT had definitely a way better animation and fight scenes, way more dynamic. At least in the first season, the current one is much worse in this regard unfortunately.

Completely disagree on the exam arc. I think it was better than most exam arcs because it was to the point and didn't play out like other exam arcs. Also frieren characters while not mt level they get better and better especially if you read the manga.

he will always be

I keep hearing this, but it’s a lie, because he gets everything he wants and doesn’t really change, it just becomes more accepted when the kids he’s preying on grow up.

​@@bonfist7277 What kids he's preying on the fuck you talking about 🤨

that's factually untrue. Not only does his bad points, at least those worthy of disgust, never go away, but he's rewarded FOR them. Like, it's not even "how come he is a protagonist even though he has x flaw", the author actively reward him for being an absolute piece of shit and straight up pedophile

The problem is that the story expects us to ignore the big Elephant in the room: He's a grown man being sexually attracted to children! No character development or trauma justifies this

My only complaint about MT is that Rudy is a pervert. You can literally replace it with him being an alcoholic and nothing would change. Instead of panties it could have been really expensive and old wine. His arcs we see in the anime would be the same too, these being, carefree doesn’t change besides not doing it as much since he’s focused on magic - becomes less of an alcoholic because of how rare and expensive it is in the demon continent and the fact that he has to focus on his survival - his fall back arc where he losses almost everything and he falls back into bad habits aka alcoholism - and finally his recovery arc which cerments him as a new person overcoming is addiction but may still drink time to time. He could have made the doll when he was balck out drunk too. Him being and alcoholic is also more relatable than being a pervert and the intro to the anime would be more bearable if it was him black out drunk and not attending his parents funeral is much better than him not attending it because he was jacking off

talking about tp2, this episode, although nothing changed in terms of the adventure, truly is a turning point. the entire first season they strart with this rudeus' view on the world like a game and he slightly starts to face reality on kidnapping episode and when the rookie adventurer died (and some other less impactful moments). on kidnapping episode he thinks what will happen if he dies again, later he watches someone die (because of him he feels like) and then on tp2, he actually (almost) dies. if not on nanahoshi's whim he wouldve truely died. also as you said the point of how powerful the team looked only to be trashed like that, the foreshadowing and explanations by man-god, the little fight with eris and ruijerd at the beginning which many people tend to forget about when he acknowledges her, the crazy good music and lastly the subtle attention to details and unexplained stuff that revolved around this encounter like when the bull jumped of a cliff. this episode was just amazing

Realife women wouldn't treat you kindly after you kidnapped them and won't accept polygamy (even in a medieval society). Mushoku Tensei is plagued with problems in regard of how it frames sexuality and women (let alone pedophilia).

@@nobrainnogame4320 I know present day women who accept polygamy lol I also know of real life women who will always forgive you as long as they love you. Its culture specific. In Islam for example if you can provide for more than one wife you can keep more than one wife. Keep on mind Greyrats are noble and even if Paul was estranged he is still provided by his family with a well paying job. This indicates your lack of experiences with women or a tunnel vision perhaps of your own circumstances FOLLOW UP: i might have missed the "kidnap" part. Who was kidnapped in the story by her own husband to be? I am sorry I might have missed that. @Pedophillia - besides Rudy's innate flaw of being attracted to lolis, his actions after reincarnation are age appropriate so to speak. Even if he had a memory of everything which eventually even Eris knows this but doesn't care. And why would she? They are living in a world with weirder events than reincarnated guys popping out Maybe you lot are finding it weird understandable since they use adult Rudy as a monologue. Imagine if Rimiru was treated like that..it would also be weird. But all in all in this world he is 13 and Eris was older than her. Your image of other people is affected by your own physical body. When you were second grade you see third graders as "bigger" kids. But surprisingly when you become a fourth grader you suddenly see the fourth graders as kids even if two years ago you saw them as bigger people. Its perspective and that is important. As you can see he was so dumb he did not even notice sylph was a girl and actually saw her as a boy.,, I don't think that is something a pedo will experience. He loved *lolis this is more of "Anime" lolis. he isn't much familiar to real life lolis like a child Sylph which he even saw as a boy. A real pedo would have been so turned on by a kid sylphie. But why wasn't Rudeus? He touched Eris sure...but he saw her as a bigger girl since she is actually literally bigger and Older than he is lol keep in mind he is reincarnated so he is no longer 34.

​@@elcidgaming "I also know of real life women who will always forgive you as long as they love you." But this is not the rule. And to be honest I hope these women one day realize that this kind of love is toxic. You can hear horror stories about serial killer's wives helping their husbands to commit crimes, this kind of relationship is not healthy at all. If you ask any girl in the street if she is fine with polygamy with the husband marrying multiples women, 99.999% of the case you'll get a sounding "No". "In Islam for example if you can provide for more than one wife you can keep more than one wife" Even in Muslim countries, polygamy isn't seen in favorable light nowdays (even a quick google search would have told you so). "This indicates your lack of experiences with women or a tunnel vision perhaps of your own circumstances" Keep your assumption for yourself and keep it cordial. Or should I judge you based on the fact that you like a show that sexualize children? "i might have missed the "kidnap" part. Who was kidnapped in the story by her own husband to be? I am sorry I might have missed that." S2 episode 7 "his actions after reincarnation are age appropriate so to speak." Not really he has the memories and persona of his former life, the only thing that changed his is apparent age. "Imagine if Rimiru was treated like that.." Tensura for all its fault, at least never showcase Rimuru lusting after a 7 yo girl. "Your image of other people is affected by your own physical body. When you were second grade you see third graders as "bigger" kids" No, Rudeus doesn't behave like a child: Paul himself said that from his point of view, Rudeus was so precocious that he believe he is a genius. Quite the opposite since he did't hesitate to use his child appearance to manipulate his mother. "A real pedo would have been so turned on by a kid sylphie. But why wasn't Rudeus?" S1 episode 4: He intend to groom Sylphy to become his ideal wife. It's typical pedophile predator behaviour. "He touched Eris sure...but he saw her as a bigger girl since she is actually literally bigger and Older than he is lol" "keep in mind he is reincarnated so he is no longer 34." S1 episode 4: Redeus admit himself that mentally he is a 40 yo scum. Don't even know you try to deny the canon. But even all that would have been fine... if it was framed correctly and with the story addressing these problems. However the show never does so and neither does the Web/Light Novel. The author himself, said that Rudeus never fix this aspect of his character. So this lead to the question: what the point of all this child/women sexualization? Is it even relevant to the story? And what the meaning behind it?

I find it weird that people think mt characters are more realistic. From how I see it mt has better characters in an anime context but it’s Frieren character that feel more human.

I'll get even more specific than that cause I Love what you said and feel the same way. MT characters act realistic in their own unique way, that mirrors reality, but feels very anime. Frieren is more like how people would act in a fantasy world if no one was an iskeki'd character.

Hard to say, you should give it a shot though. It's got a slow start but the world they weave hits even harder than MT by my account.

@@u-mos8820 Yeah I probably will at some point. The start just seems daunting because it gets so emotional so quickly qnd the themes it covers.

​@@potatoadw9387idk if it's just me but Frieren isn't that sad, I mean it's sad enough to make me feel a bit down but never teary eyed

World building and grounded human problems, point to MT. Family friendly, deep philosophical questions and a slowly paced adventure, point to SnF. Animation, music and design, point to both.

​@@potatoadw9387 I've read the source material for both series and I think for now it's a tie. I think mushoku tensei RN is a bit superior due it being way longer than frieren. But frieren also have immense potential and both series gives such a pure fantasy vibe. Also best parts of frieren isn't even animated yet much like mushoku tensei. It's going be a interesting rivalry for the next few years

agreed, rip daddy though

No by his own video frieren wins by a lot