I reckon you needs to the a battle breakdown of the battle of Sluis Van from the Thrawn Trilogy.

Great Vid Eck didnt know about that 16 000 crew for the OG Dreadnought ... gotta wonder what poodoo peddler came up with that rediculus number though. What would there even be to do on that ship for so many people to have to be on board? Thats why Ive personally stoped looking at canon crew compliments and ship stats. They for the most part make no sense cus they are decided upon by people who have no Idea of realistic logistics or warship designs.

@@sschuster2180 Well a modern super carrier has a crew of roughly 5,000 to 6,000 sailors and air crew, the uss Dwight D. Eisenhower is about 300 meters long and the Dreadnought is over 600. The number seems a bit inflated but nothing astronomical compared to a modern carrier.

The Dreadnaught ship really looks like the original Battlestar Galactica

@@omeganinjaboy To be fair the Dreadnought heavy cruiser is among the most generic ship designs in sci-fi. Wedge in the front, armor box for a body, engines in the back. (I like it but it's not game changing to say the least lol)

Maybe they could retcon a design that looks derivative of the Assault Frigate Mark ll into the lore, and call it a Dreadnaught ll?

It is actually more of a manufacturer version of the Assault Frigate configuration.

@@pepperedash4424 Honestly that would be interesting - something more in line with the Mark I with those Mon Calan elements would be cool

Yeah, this is kind of my thinking as well, especially if you consider what Mk II can actually mean. If you look at the way the British type classified their tanks during WWII, there’s actually two separate Mk designations for each design. Take the Churchill infantry tank for example. You can find various versions of the the Churchill from the Churchill Mk I with a hull mounted 3 inch howitzer and a 40mm 2pdr gun in a turret, the Churchill Mk III with a 6pdr in the turret and a hull MG, or the Churchill Mk VI with a 75mm gun in the turret. There are various Mks of Churchill tanks. However, ALL Churchills were the Mk IV model of *infantry tank*. This means a Churchill Mk I would technically be called, “Infantry Tank Mk IV, Churchill Mk I.” A Churchill VI would be, “Infantry Tank Mk IV, Churchill Mk VI.” Infantry tank Mk III was the Valentine, a completely different design that filled the same role the Churchill eventually would which had its own series of variants. Using this same sort of designation system, the first assault frigate could be, “Assault Frigate Mk I, Dreadnought Mk II.” Where as the successor ship is, “Assault Frigate Mk II, Whatevershipname Mk I.”

Honestly the only way I could see it working is if it was made with many of the components of DHC’s and yeah your explanation of it filling a similar role would also fit kinda well just really stupid

I'd love to see something on the Starviper. I only know it from EaW and various book covers.

my favorite ships are star destroyers darth vaders star destroyer and the anakin solo and i have other favorites i love the falcon but i didnt like the updated falcon in the st but still i like it either if fans hate or like it i kind of like it but ill have to let it grow on me if i watch the st more and everytime i watch a star wars movie people call it the falcon names even luke skywalker once called it a piece of junk i personally also love the slave 1 and the slave 2 boba fetts ships i even like a few other ships owned by bounty hunters

Is the Assault Frigate Mk. 2 more powerful and effective than the Starhawk?

@@nickter745thebold8 which ship do you like more an solos ship the falcon or dash rendars ship i prefer dash randars ship more to know why read shadows of the empire and shadow games i even like tomothy zahns bookd dealing with han solo and brian daleys han solo books and the han solo trilogy all 3 of them

@@nickter745thebold8 definitely not. The starhawk was meant to go toe to toe with ISDs and come out on top. The Battle Guppy (assault frigate mk 2) is still a cruiser/frigate only meant to support larger ships like the mon calamari cruisers. In the game it originates from, it can maybe fight a victory star destroyer and that would be an even fight. But you'd need at least 3 or 4 to take on an ISD, and even then expect to take a beating

@@DarthVaderReturns1 Shut up

Aka the Pizza-class dreadnought.

@@Sparrow9612 The one time that adding two awesome things together didn't work

@@Sparrow9612 50% off your First Order when you buy from Papa Snoke's (Ironically that was from a meme image made before the movie came out and revealed that Papa Snoke was himself 50% off)

@@DIEGhostfish Papa snoke was a true capitalist, made himself come with the ultimate 50% discount

Even the Mandator has nothing on the ugliness of the sideways flying Brick that is the Resistance Transport.

100% this

The Mk II is actually one of my favorite SW ships in terms of design, what does that say about me?

@@CmdrWinters probably nothing, I dont get the hate myself.

Or maybe there being a Dreadnaught ll that the Assault Frigate MK ll derived from?

It wouldn’t really the fit the Mon Cals all their ships are quite beautiful.

Very interesting thanks!

That was my thinking too.

You can see it very well in LOGHT die neue these fighters design in there are made with that principal in mind, so both designs have place far away form centre of mass

@@the_once-and-future_king. same.

In B5 ships like the White Star used fins for the gravity drives. Perhaps in star wars the fins are equipped with repulsorlift tech?

What's your opinion on Fractal Sponge's Nebulon B?

@@pepperedash4424 I like how it's "neck" is not as thin and adds a purpose for being that long. It also looks more like a imperial ship like it originally was intended as.

Just looked up FractalSponge’s version of the Nebulon B and WOW! it looks like it would fit right in with an imperial fleet, like as an older brother of the carak(?).

@@UGNAvalon I looked up Fractalsponge's nebulon-B and it looks cool aswell.

Yeah same 😭

Same, was unpleasantly surprised when he called the design ugly lol

Well he's wrong then.

Same here

Beer-can CHICKEN!

I think the corridors were just filled with crewmen standing shoulder to shoulder, packed so densely they couldn’t move at all.

I don't get it either, it sounds like it'd be an extremely cramped and uncomfortable posting.

That's actually not too too much. A Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is 300m long and carries a crew of 6,000.

I believe it completely. A 300m (and it would he be less living space per length as a water vessel and it’s no where near as wide) Nimitz class aircraft carrier has up to 6000 personnel (though including a hell of a lot of aircrew abs support there of). The largess cruise ship is of similar length and capacity. 600m with over 100m width and height is absolutely massive

Depends on the Square Footage inside. 600 meters long, say 100 wide and 100 tall. That is a 30 story building tall and a 30 story building wide. That is a 180 story building long. That's a huge area, that should give you the idea of the type of Square Footage that could be inside. Support Crew were part of the crew needed to operate the Vessel. Fighter Pilots are counting with their craft (they only held one Squadron of Ties in racks). Two Companies of ground troops.

This is exactly what I had in my headcanon too They took what they learned from modding dreadies into Mk I's, and then built a whole new ship from there Particularly given that refitting old ships so thoroughly was quite costly and work-intensive (problems Eck mentioned), going from the ground up for Mk II really does make the most sense Plus it lets you keep your older ships in service, adding to the size of your navy (which was very much at a premium for the Alliance/NR)

Possibly the dreadnaught bow is buried down there under layers of armour, but yes, to most intents and purposes, it's a new ship.

My theory is that they just used it wrong. It needed a much higher ratio of fighters per bomber.

@@jjonestown it sitting duck against any capital ship that can fire at it because it so slow and big no matter how many fighters you give to defend it unless the fighters sacrifice themselves to defend it against not only the enemy fighters but also capital ship fire not to mention they have to be right on top of the enemy at a distance that they too could die if the bomb drop these are flying coffin they are death the moment they take these thing into space

Thats nothing compared to the trectorn star destroyer

@@hungcuong606 If they had made a B-wing model for the movie instead, it would have behaved the same way to drive the plot the same way, the only real way you should judge it is by design, and personally I love it

Make it a bit bigger (Corvette or Frigate scale) and it'll be a decent design. My issue with it was that it couldn't take ANYTHING. It's bomb bay was too vulnerable. In theory it would make an exceptional surface bomber.

Ugly does not equal ineffective.

@@DTSephiroth Mmhmm

Also just personal opinion, that ship looks mean to me. It looks like it pack a punch, like it can take point on a raid or something In game, they're great in groups. They tank so much fire and dish it out too. I hated the design as a kid but they've grown on me over the years~

Nope, same weapons as the nebulon b frigate. One of the few errors Petro did

@@lionhugs2418 mmhmm.

I'd like to see that

If Ender has a MD Device, I hand the win to him. All he has to do is get Thrawn's ships when they are in relatively close proximity to one another

I feel like Thrawn would win, because the aliens didn’t really fight back as much as they shouldve

In the book Ender's Game (only the first of several about Ender) millions of humans and thousands of their ships were destroyed, although the Formics were dieing by the billions if not trillions. Ender and most of his subcommanders were initially not aware that they were ordering actually manned ships in real combat, with one notable exception. They were only told to win, no matter the cost, they delivered the win, and the realization that not only had he committed genocide but his orders hand killed millions of humans broke Ender Wiggen and drove him into self exile. They are both exemplary tactical and strategic geniuses that have studied everything about war their own culture has documented and then some. Ender understood that if he can learn enough about an opponent to love them, he can completely destroy them, but that takes a toll on him as well. An emotional toll that took him a couple decades of personal time to recover from but then his connection to the Formics was unusually deep. He had developed a psychic link to the Formic Queens when they attempted to link with him to better understand humans, neither originally realized it was a two way connection and as a result Ender learned more about the Formics than any other human ever would and used that knowledge to wipe them from the Stars. How much information would Ender have on the Chiss, the Assendancy and Thrawn? What is Ender's psychological state? Thrawn also studies his opponents and their culture to determine how likely they are to respond certain ways to given stimuli, he then uses this information to gain advantage over and defeat them. Thrawn has access to the tactical and strategic treatises of dozens if not hundreds of cultures. Thrawn doesn't go as deep as Ender in understanding his opponents, but in most circumstances he doesn't need to. Unfortunately the humans of the Star Wars galaxy are not exactly the same as the humans of the Earth that survived the first Formic war. How much does Thrawn know of a variant culture of humans that spent millennium fighting itself until it directed all of its frustration and creativity to annihilate the first aliens that made hostile contact with it? Thrawn has a lot of advantages over Ender, depending upon Ender's emotional state. But if you want Thrawn to go up against someone as good as Ender but with different emotional baggage then you want Ender's Shadow, Bean.

@@jlokison It depends. Once Ender goes to Lusitania, he gets his shit together. And remember what is going on with Ender in the lead up to the final battle with the Formics. Being sleep deprived and pushed to your limit while not knowing what is going on can break a person, and it broke him.

The unique apearance and silloute is one of its strongest freatures.

Dreadnought of Theseus. :D

Also the engine's totally different and hilariously undersized for all that extra armor. Unless it's straight up made with JUST the clamshell front and more stuff built on top of it.

So you mean it's an "ugly" starship? You take one engine assembly and the upper front cargo armor plates from a Gallofree and then cram the crew sections of a EF76 underneath, add support structure and those two Mon Cal style weapons blisters on each side of the hull and optimize the entire engine assembly down to one module. That's a much better fit for it, and you could still say they used Dreadnought parts for the side bits.

Y~up! That is pretty much what I’ve typed here, @@Reddotzebra. The StarHawk is technically such a ship, isn’t it?

I was thinking of retconning in a Dreadnaught ll, for the Assault Frigate MK ll to derive from myself. But your suggestion fits perfectly with the situation the Rebellion was placed in.

@@michaelandreipalon359 In the Novel Han Solo at Stars End, Chewie is being held at the prison called Stars End. The prison is located on a airless planet, with heavy shields and armor protecting it. Long story short, during the rescue they overload the upper shield and reactor. The explosion is redirected by the side shields and the whole prison gets blasted into the upper atmosphere.

@@michaelandreipalon359 Han Solo and Chewbacca are staging a prison break and blow up generator in the basement but the prison is built so tough that all the energy is forced down, launching the entire prison out of the atmosphere until it quickly comes crashing back down. (The book was published in 1979, before Empire Strikes Back was released 🤯)

@@gregdomenico1891 Well, it was nearly impenetrable from without, but channeling the blast internally proved fatal, not to mention rocket propulsive! At least a design oversight, if not a total flaw.

For me its the reverse. At least with Empire at War. In game, a group of these could definitely pack a heavy punch, and when they took too much damage, their overcharged shield could possibly turn the tide (or allow you to escape and come back in larger numbers) At launch i hated the ship design, but now I look at it lovingly. It kinda looks like a pet goldfish tbh~

I do see what you mean. Individually, they don't work as well, but as a group of them together, they are good. I remember playing a skirmish match in Empire at War where I decided to use only the MK-IIs and they absolutely pulverized the Imperial fleet and space station.

Your "experience with the MK II"? Can I see yours?

@@rjonboy7608 I meant that I had lost more of this ship when they were used individually. Rookie mistake.

It kinda does, never thought about it that way. And I remember that Ralph McQuarry did the concept art for BSG, Star Wars and Buck Rogers, so this isn't really surprising.

@@kiethhammer6882 One of his Buck Rogers ships, or unused SW concepts that were similar may have inspired the Howlrunner.

Same thing with the Carrack cruiser. AKA: "That ship that would have won the Empire the war if they weren't so bloody stupid."

You must eat your thin crust with a fork and knife

For every job there was 1 person doing it and 15 people cheering them on. Good for morale, not good for crew size efficiency.

I like to think it was some kind of political reasoning from the Old Republic, to give lots of representation and postings. Presumably in three crew shifts, anyway, 8 hours a piece.

Could be worse. Have you ever gotten the urge to replay Star Wars Rebellion? If you think the EaW controls are old, just wait til you try to get (back) into Rebellion.

There's not really any Rendili at all. There's the backwards Nebulon B Beard, but Nebbies are Kuat designs.

@@DIEGhostfish I still have the imperial nebulon-b image as canon in my head, yeah, it a bit more Kuat-ish then when it comes to "wings" and the beak. But the bulky body is like 70% Mon Cala, 30% Rendili

@@miqvPL EC Henry's and Fractal's Imperial Nebulons were never part of Legends canon. The Imperial ones always looked the same. Other than maybe the Neb 2 which did have smoother wings but that may have just been polygon savings in the old flight sims it appeared in.

Assuming a hullform similar to USS south Dakota at 212 metres (which has roughly equivalent length to beam) with its crew of 2354. A Dreadnaught is 9x the volume, being the cube of length. This results in a crew of 21186. So the number is not unreasonable given some automation.

@@doyouseetorpedoboats8893 I'm going with the treadmills.

What would you say about Imperial fleet at Endor vs Cole’s fleet at Cole’s last stand

@@nobleman9393 imperial fleet wins that handily I think. The ships are so much better armed plus I don’t think Cole has any reasonable way of handling the SSD.

@@TheWingland I mean he had those plot-armor tipped nuclear missiles that managed to somehow burrow to the core of a Super Gas giant and destroy it.

I thought the same thing. It looks like a blaster from several different Sci fi mediums

Sun Crusher?

@@Skhmt : The Sun Crusher was a one-off, so it has an excuse.