Was kind of hoping the video would be like: “how did the Empire lose 25k Star destroyers? Because they forgot where they put them.” *outro music plays for 12 minutes*

They lost all of their Star Destroyers because they auto-resolved all of their battles in Empire at War.

If I remember the ludicrous size of the Star Destroyer refueling platforms, I imagine a good percentage of Star Destroyers simply couldn't be maintained after the the fracturing and losses to the Galactic Empire's logistics infrastructure.

Willing to bet that most of the ISD's were actually lost to not being able to maintain them. Booster Terrick had an immensely hard time maintaining his single one even without it being in combat a lot.

Before vid: It must take a supreme level of incompetence to lose that many ships. After vid: It was a domino effect of many events.

I wish Disney went with the idea of the empire fracturing ing warlord factions. Seems way more interesting.

They also apparently stashed a lot of Star Destroyers in a Nebula near a ice asteroid.

The High Ground eviscerated all 25,000

Personally, I've never bought the 25,000 ISD number (not in Legends, and especially not in Canon) as it never seemed to jive with the Battle of Endor fleet size. Regardless, there is another major factor that chewed through the Empire's ISDs in both continuities: maintenance. Imperial Star Destroyers are massive spaceships that take enormous resources to keep running. They need huge amounts of power, spare parts, hyperfuel, tibanna gas for turbolasers, support craft/TIEs, tens of thousands of people and food for those people. And, usually, you need credits to pay for all of that. The Empire built a massive infrastructure to develop these resources and distribute them among their ships, but when it was decapitated and fractured (either in Legends' warlord Balkanization or Canon's more leaderless chaos), the infrastructure network completely broke down. It's not just hyperfuel mines and shipyards rising up or falling into Rebel hands (though that happened plenty, with Kuat being an especially devastating loss), but the entire system of transporting the resources to the right ships at the right time was gone. The Empire's ability to collect taxes would also be badly damaged by the chaos, and so they are trying to keep all these ships running without anyone really in charge and with no money to pay for things. It's easy to imagine how tons and tons of Star Destroyers would begin breaking down, or run out of fuel or munitions, or be abandoned as supplies run out or their crews decide they just want to go home. War is logistics, and logistics is leadership + communications + resources. A fractured state like the post-Endor Empire would have quite a difficult time uniting and fighting against a determine foe, especially with piles of unrest within their territory.

*Empire loses battle of Endor* 25,000 Star destroyers: Iight imma head out

0:48 Obviously they were all sent to exogol so that they could take part in a terrible plot battle

They couldn’t afford to make the payments. They were repossessed.

Can we get an F in chat for all those lost Dorito ships.

A considerable number of Star Destroyers had to have been lost already by the time Thrawn emerged from the Unknown Regions because he had a hard time collecting sufficient ships for his fleet. Much of what was left after his death were most likely lost in either Operation Shadow Hand or the Imperial Civil War.

Mostly by throwing them at each other like they were trying to produce fission reactions.

What if Palpatine woke up one day and just had a heart-attack then died?

Wow that’s a lot of duristeel wasted

Earthly navies seem to follow the US pattern where roughly 1/3rd are available for combat while 1/3rd are in training or break in cruise type situations with 1/3rd down for heavy maintenance and upgrades. The training 1/3rd can be pushed into battle after expedited training and likely tasked for the expected easier battle tasks or reserve positions. Some of those getting ready for maintenance work can be deferred while those wrapping things up can be rushed out the door in some cases. When the Empire lost those depot facilities they would have also lost many ships with them that were in the repair or refit cycle. Plus they would have lost the huge resources to keep their own ships repaired and fitted. This would have taken a toll on those forces after a few years. Add in that many of these break away units would not have the ability to handle large scale repairs and that would further degrade the number of Star Destroyers able to put up a fight after 20 years of handyman type repairs vs a professional depot with proper facilities and equipment. Thus these issues could account for well over 1/3rd of the Star Destroyers after 20 years.

I feel like the Thrawn trilogy describes the loss the best. How the Emporor had control over his forces and stuff. Without coordination, a fleet would fall insanely fast. But that's still a HUGE amount of ships lost. oof

Look up what happens to US equipment when we leave the Region. Yes, this is a Real-Life phenomenon.

25k lost over a dozen years vs 25k lost in the span of a single year. Which one seems more realistic? In one universe Coruscant was fought over while in the other a group of 12yr olds captured Mas Ameda and the planet was given up without a fight.

I love how Palpatine was ultimately one of the if not the biggest supporter of the rebellion. Had he made the empire with even a little bit of unity and maybe a successor then the Alliance would have been screwed.

Thats a ouch in my books chief

I’ve always liked to know how in canon they lost 25,000 star destroyers despite having “emperor” galius Rex ruling the empire and could’ve answered to him, especially when we don’t know much info about potential imperial warlords

I personally love this part of Star Wars, we get to see greedy, power hungry Moffs. But then we see some Moffs actually protect their own sectors.

I love the shots from X-Wing Alliance in this video. I think the other major side of things is the sheer maintenance cost of such a fleet requires an immense tax and logistical base which really was showed in the Legends series. With reduced recruiting and the academies you wouldn’t have even had enough folks or economic might to support such a fleet.

Tyber Zahn also was a big factor! The Imperial fleet fled from Endor to Kuat, where Tyber Zahn was stealing the Eclipse and he destroyed hundrets of Star Destroyers there.

I find it hard to believe the Empire had 25,000 Star Destroyers. Remember in Episode IV Han Solo said: "The entire star fleet couldn't destroy the whole planet. It'd take a thousand ships with more fire power than I've-" and Han had an Imperial background.

We get almost no content from the Legacy era from any star wars channel. I would LOVE to see you tall about the state of the Empire, Jedi, Galactic Alliance or even the Sith Empire at that point!

''loss due to essentially falling into private hands and disappearing'' - I swear I saw a Red Imperial Star Destroyer once, but hardly anyone believed me... 😁

Actually, they lost more than 25,000 star destroyers. Kuat didn't stop producing them immediately after all. They had 25,000 in operation at one time. They probably lost like 26 or 27 thousand of them before the peace treaty was signed.

Legends: The Empire formed various factions that fought through over a decade of war with the growing New Republic as well as each other. Gradually being filed down until they formed the Imperial Remnant and became a legitimate government. Though weaker than the New Republic, it would survive over a century later and have various conflicts with the Jedi and Sith alike. Disney: Eraser

So the rebels did the "divided and conquer" pretty effectively.. Makes sense

Great video. One other factor that might have led to the “disappearance” of the imperial fleet is the breakdown of supply chains. Not only did the Empire loose the ability to build these ships, as you mentioned the rapid loss of territory would have fractured the Empire’s manufacturing abilities and supply chains. Military hardware is not effective for very long without a continuous stream of spare parts. As such, I’d wager that a good few star destroyers simply would have become inoperable.

In Soviet Empire, Star Destroyer loses 25,000 Endors

The scale of this is hard to imagine. Wookiepedia says that the crew of a Star Destroyer is about 37,000. So to crew 25,000 Star Destroyers, you need 925 million crew. Almost three times the population of the U.S. But considering this is a Empire of many planets, and Coruscant alone had a population of over 1 trillion, the people can be found. But this is one reason I love Star Wars. Imagining a Republic, or Empire, that is many, many magnitudes bigger than anything the Earth has ever seen.

"not only did the emperor die" *JJ Abrams 'doubt'

It makes sense that the Empire would fracture after Palpatine's death under its chief admirals like how Alexander the Great's empire fractured among his top generals. Endless war among rival factions did them in.

I’d like to think a portion of the Imperial Armada are in the Unknown Regions under the Empire of the Hand. The only place they could be well maintained and crewed without the threat of the New Republic and other Imperial Warlords.

Hell yea I enjoyed this video!! I love It when you go deep into the military lore is SW!! Thanks for the great content

I think 25,000 star destroyers is a huge underestimate. The Empire probably have at least a million of them to control hyperspace lanes and star systems.

The Top Hat Society in the Star Wars universe seeing all those Broken Star Destroyers: "It's ... Perfect. We shall use these as our new ships. We shall fix them up and brand them Top Hat Society."

If D and D wrote Star Wars: I guess the Empire forgot about their 25,000 Star Destroyers.

I always wonder what ever happen to those star destroyer and now I know thanks. Great lore video love your content

I really want a deep dive into the Legacy Era tbh...

and in current canon The Empire is utterly defeated within a year or two after the Battle of Endor. 10/10.

I love that beat.

The Empire had over 25,000 Star Destroyers and the first order only had like 12, some say that the first order would win in a war against the empire

Warhammer 40k: *Laughs Hysterically*

Do a canon one. Since god knows Disney prolly never will

What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

Wow being in the Empire must have been a terrible job and the domino effect really hit those star destroyer. Great video

My best guess for most is 1. Attrition: not having resources to maintain many star destroyers after Endor and further fracturing of the empire and 2. Probably hundreds of small skirmishes after Endor from infighting or with the New Relublic either destroying ISDs or damaging them where they had to be scuttled

Coming soon to cinemas Star wars: dude where's the my star destroyer 😇

I love how legends explained that after Endor, the Empire basically fought itself for over a decade, resulting in massive losses. However, the new canon, like that crappy aftermath book, would have you believe that the massive Galactic Empire fell to a bunch of space cowboys within a year. The Mandalorian is kind of fixing this by reintroducing Imperial Warlords, but still, the new canon is annoyingly lazy.

Would like to see the canon version if thats ok Eck. Love ur vids

Legends: vast amount of imperial splinter groups taking resources and revolts across the galaxy Canon: plot

I think one thing to explore is if 25000 Star Destroyers includes Gladiators, old Venators and Victories as well as Imperials.

There’s only one thing that could’ve happened to those Star Destroyers... *Darth Jar Jar*

i meeeeaaan, one part as well, as actually said in specter of the past, is that destroyers take a LOT of upkeep, without a good structure of docks and shipyards or without a good engineer corps a destroyer would quickly start breaking down in many areas

A quick question in Star Wars the Clone Wars episode ‘Massacre’. When Dooku asks Grevious to eliminate Ventress and the Nightsisters on Dathomir, why didn't the CIS just conduct a large scale orbital bombardment like how Thrawn did on Chopper base? Glass the Nightsisters’ settlement. Dathomir didn't have a planetary shield to protect it and has no significant strategic value or valuable resources to capture. That would have required much less effort and been less costly than sending down ground troops, where they would easily be ambushed by the night sisters.

It’s a tribute to the incompetence of the writers. The second Death Star is destroyed along with one dreadnought and 50 star destroyers at the battle of Endor. Leia: 24950 ISDs and 11 dreadnoughts to go. Additional: you shouldn’t need 1000000 novels to fill in the massive plot holes left in the movies.

perhaps the second part of Dreadnought's battle will be seen

#AskEck How did the Empire react to The Ghost Crews Liberation of Lothal?

#AskEck *Attempt 624* Do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man Pre-Horus Heresy. (Halo vs Warhammer 40k). The Vagyr Battlecruiser from Homeworld 2 vs The UNSC Canberra Class Battlecruiser from Halo.

I just love it when the Empire struggles, and their biggest weapon know as FEAR, used against it, so satisfying. 😈

Very late comment but I just realized the biggest reasons for the loss of so many ships are: bad management due to Palpatine, a lack of leadership due to loss of Palpatine, and the return of Palpatine. “Ironic,” -Palpatine

That Blue General Guy: "Emperor P, we're taking some destroyers on a little detour" Emperor P: "Dew it"

to see what the Canon has to say with the loss of so many ships...? ...Do it.

Don’t seem to be able to lose that much if they want to, seems like they set the course to a near by star or something

Would love a canon version, was silly how quickly they lost in the new canon in the Aftermath Trilogy

Wasn't there a theory that the Death Star (1&2) had a hangar bay for Star Destroyers? Also, up until the Executor crashed into the second DS, most if not all of the SDs were in relatively close orbit, and unless they jumped to hyperspace at the last second, they would have been caught up in the explosion. If not the initial blast, the resulting chunks of the DS certainly would have taken many of them out.

I factor I think you didn't cover was that with the loss of major and minor shipyards any surviving fleets will have a harder time getting spare parts to repair their ships which would lead Imperial Admirals forced to canabalize the fleets to keep some operational. It would also have been a factor in an in detections both large and small. An Imperial Admiral may come over to the New Republic and bring his fleet and Sector/system to get the spare parts to keep in functioning as well as other accommodations such as a high rank in the New Republic military or keeping sector control, while a small base of a few hundred personnel with a half squadron may defect because they are running out of food and power packs and everything in between.

Episode 4 explained the local governors are controlling their systems directly. That means there like a few dozen guys running the Empire who got their orders directly from Palpatine. And now that he was dead without any succession set up, every single one of them had a chance of becoming the new emperor. Infighting would break out almost immediately.

The Situation over the Imperial Empirer in this Video is like the great Skism in Halo with the Covernant.

ugh, that tie fighter and x-wing alliance footage. getting those nostalgia feels

I LOVE this crude matter! Eckhart is Excellent!

Why is it so easy to take out such powerful ships as star and super star destroyers in the Star Wars saga? Especially as the rebel navy is equipped with much lighter ships like the CR-90 corvette? It’s only in the years after Endor that the New Republic gets larger numbers of the heavier Mon Cal ships and captured Star Destroyers.

Never understood star wars always haveing explosions and giant balls of flame in the vacuum of space the way they do.

Please do a version about the canon version of this. I absolutely love Palpatine's self destructive Operation Cinder.

Battle of Jakkut was a death blow and a lot went to the Unknown Regions and then there is the suprise in Episode 9.

The idea of them actually having 25k star destroyers is just ridiculous

It was because of Rey: she preformed her disappearing matter trick like she did with the guard's knife.

Now I'm wondering what a "cost effective" variant of the ISD-1 would look like. All of the combat capabilities, from it's troop transport and fighters to firepower and defenses, with none of the fat, hopefully decreasing the required crew and maintenance costs. Fulfilling the goals/missions of the ISD without being an absolute drain of resources.

everytime im drunk i watch these star wars videos, i always enjoy it

Minor thing he got wrong; bakura was under imperial rule and helped out by the rebel alliance, or the alliance to restore the republic. The galactic alliance of free planets was made from the remnants of the new republic during the yuuzhan vong invasion.

I can summarize the reason why the Empire lost of the ISD and other military in three events, First when the First and second Death Star was destroyed. Second when most of the Imperial High ranking officer killed each other that will last until the creation of the New Galactic Empire under the Fel Dynasty. Third when the Emperor Palpatine Reborn created the galaxy gun and only to have it destroyed Byss which holds Thousands of ISDs in orbit.

Kind of annoying in the movies how they don't take into account capital ships having shields. There were also ISD2, Victory class destroyers - half size, and Interdictor destroyers that had a gravity well to prevented jumping or stopped hyperspace jumps. Lot of neat things they don't use...

And everyone makes fun of General Stubbs losing 100 Baneblades. Still though, that's a lot of firepower to disappear. I wonder if it makes anymore sense in canon.

Ideas i had considering this vid; a new ISD I variant with an EMP-type weapon that knocks out the Sensors of all ships in range, but not its own, and a new class of SD, based off of this variant, but only 1,326 meters long... Imperial I-class SD Logis, and the later Logis-class SD. Story hook for the ISD Logis; it was on of a very few ships that was tracking where ISDs & Imperial assets went post-Endor, until it... TBD, a Star Destroyer 1,309m long, designed in compliance with the Tarkin Doctrine.

Think of all the S-1 stationed on the Death Star(s) all that paperwork... all those pay issues... the end was inevitable at that point.

Death star: **gets destroyed** Palpatine: *lets do that again*

They gave the rights to thecStar Destroyers and Empire to EatsAssGames aka ElectronicArtsGames aka ElectronicArtsSwiss.

Aside from Eckhart, why do we hardly ever hear about how the Galaxy Gun was destroyed? R2 hacking the Eclipse Class Super Star Destroyer, ramming it into the Galaxy Gun which misfired a round into Byss. R2 himself wiped out two SuperWeapons, the emperor's home world, a massive chunk of Imperial Forces, and the designer of the Galaxy Gun in a single move. I see people chuckle when he takes out the 2 SBD's on Grievous ship in Ep.3, but damn he did a hell of a lot more than that.

Legends: a variety of reasons which when put together is logical Cannon: the empire left all their ships, crew, logistics and maintenance (if there is any) in the unknown regions letting the rebels win in a year after endor.

The canon explanation would be that they got sent to some uncharted planet in the Unkown regions by Palpatine prior to his death. the Question would be how did those ships get those Mini death star guns on all of them?

It is always interesting to see how different people do things. Especially canon vs legends.

Rebels after the battle of Ender: The Aggressor The Empire after the battle of Ender: The victims PS. Canon explaination of loss of ships please.

Love the content but I always have to stay and watch the Corgi. It cracks me up every time.

At least losing 25,000 ships over the corse of 19 years makes sense. Those 19 years where chaotic and full of infighting and desertion. Losing anywhere near 25,000 star destroyers in a little over one year seems utterly ridiculous, even with the empire being heavily sabotaged by Palpatine's contingency plan. Honestly, I love a lot of things about canon but that will always annoy me.