A lot of this reminds me of the Honor Harrington series. By David Weber. For ships and space battles you would love it EL!

Here is a question: If Anakin only went to the dark side because he wasn't promoted. Then shouldn't Anakin be extremely wrong since he JUST earned the rank of Knight by completeing his final trial (Trial of Will) at the end of Clone Wars 03. Seriously this retcon made me hate the movie as a kid.

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Galactic versus, StarCraft Hyperion vs the battle star galactic. Or the LEX, bug ship vs a StarCraft Leviathan

Stormtrooper: Did we get the plans, sir? Vader: Oh, SHIT!

Dark side of the force you see. Yeah.

@@Sephiroth144 it was Gary’s fault

@@jacktheflash8478 Damnit Gary!

Calling it a Ram is wrong afterall, it is a collision. It wasn't on purpose they didn't know that the GR75 was right there.

All of Vader's hand-picked stuff, almost guaranteed killed aboard the DS 1.

instant promotion

Vader: Officer, for your performance, I will not force choke you today.

😂😂😂

@@slewone4905 "Daddy please do"

He never dropped out of hyperspace that close to Grievous' ship.

Vader is anakin?!? Spoilers man!

@@tomcole5118 say what now?? When was this established as canon???🤔

@@emberfist8347 I don't remember the episode or the target, but Anakin did drop out of hyperspace with about 2 seconds to avoid collision against a Separatist flagship blockading a planet once.

@@torinnbalasar6774 I have seen the show and I know the idea was bounced around in the editing room (It was originally how they got past the blockade in Episode I) but it wasn't used.

Star Wars ships don't have shields while in Hyperspace.

They put them up literally the moment the come put of hyperspace. Thrawn did it all the time.

@@custosumbra4216Wait, I has questions. Why not use some type of shield in hyperspace? Their computers have to calculate paths considering asteroid fields, stars, etc. But what about dense matter in the hyperdimensional flight path? Is this even a factor? Or is moving through hyperspace negating the ship to materials within the "physical" space we know only to be affected by its immediate environment once it drops out of hyperspace?? Thanks for the info guys!

@@ascensionindustries9631 Like a shield to protect the ships from gravity wells? The question confuses me.

@@custosumbra4216If you go thru a dense asteroid field in hyperspace, do you need a shield? Or is the hyperspace dimensions keep you from impacting physical matter?

In Empire, Vader was pissed that Ozzel brought the fleet out of hyperspace right on top of Hoth-- exiting too late. If they _had_ come out early and approached Hoth at sublight, they could have exploited the asteroid field and masked their approach by mimicing a bunch of floating rocks.

@@BogeyTheBear Still totally in character. Here speed is of the essence to prevent escape so Vader, being an extremely experienced military commander opted for a shock and awe doctrine that involved charging in and lighting everything in sight the fuck up. On Hoth he wanted to sneak up cause that would result in the Rebels being taken unawares. Both strategies work best for Anakin "War Crimes" Skywalker's preferred military doctrine of "the higher the enemy body count, the more we're winning"

@@BogeyTheBear Except, the rebels knew the Empire was coming. The destruction of the probe droid was a good indication the Empire knew that the rebels knew they were discovered. Vader killed Ozzel because the admiral didn't respect him (that is, obey him without question). Anything else was an excuse.

@@scockery Vader does not seem to realize the Rebels know the Empire is coming.

@@scockery The Empire didn't know the Rebels knew they were coming. I highly doubt the droid sent a signal it was under attack much less it was destroyed.

Yeah and it also explains Vader's angry and impatient tone as he quickly disproves her obvious lie

Having the Sphyrna that pushed an ISD be so small felt cheesey.

@@pepperedash4424 It felt like the Ramming Frigate from Homeworld Cataclysm.

@@Worf- I see a man of culture there. I was also wondering if Thrawn's grav well tactics would be effective in HW2.

Yep. As Matthew Coville said, it’s the first time we’ve seen star destroyers be effective on the big screen since Episode IV. 😅

@@unicorngall1047 hell yeah. Fellow Homeworld players, great to see more out there! Here's to hoping we see HW3 in the near future.

Ikr, add that to hyperlanes and the egress point, one would think that combination limits where he would come out of hyperspace significantly.

Or he might've just been following the moon-sized testicle with a super death laser?

i really like Ekkheart's ladder's explanation. The idea that ships would follow narrow per-designated hyper-lanes and that both the Empire and Rebels would jump into/out of hyperspace at the same moment makes the scene more interesting. i would further add that hyper-lanes should be directional to prevent collisions and either the rebels or empire were going the wrong way basically like a head on collision getting on or off an off ramp for a freeway.

@@MrChickennugget360 oh, now that’s gonna present it’s own problem! I live in the Scotchland and we drive on the left. Most of the rest of the world drives on the right. Wonder how that would go!

@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 Or the DS was relaying battle data to him

They dropped out and hit at high, but normal speed.

Yeah but define normal speed They were going at the speed of light (which is required in order to enter hyperspace to begin with) to sublight speeds. That's A LOT of deaccelleration to go through

And because the deaccelleration from light speed to either a stop or whatever gs the sublight engine to output is soooooooooo quick there isn't really a way to accurately say oh yeah they were going x mph when they collided They could have been going from 99% the speed of light to like 7gs(??? I think that's the ISD acceleration?)

RIP Admiral Griff. Also, I think the impact either brought the shields down to half or took them out completely (wookieepedia says fully, but I remember seeing a panel where a crewmember gave a specific percentage it was taken down by), giving us a benchmark for how much force the shield's can take before being overloaded.

@@DIEGhostfish They we’re still beams of light coming out of hyperspace, we never actually saw the physical star destroyers which means they were still traveling at or around lightspeed

I mean, we ARE talking about fictional space travel but I think you described this sensibly.

That's not shabby. but i don't know how individual ships would be able to calculate the difference between the lanes from across the galaxy when planning a hyperspace jump. maybe it'd be like boats. we use buoys marked red and green for exactly these purposes. i suppose it's possible there are 'buoys' around 'civilized' planets that nav computers can spot... somehow... from super-duper incredibly far away... somehow. i dunno. or maybe the buoys only communicate to with the nave computers once they're closer, and they auto calibrate? but that would mean they can turn or curve course while in hyperspace, which doesn't seem to fit canon. if they could do that, there would never be a reason to do multiple jumps. unless they can only bend the route a tiny bit, and maybe only in the last millionths of a second of hyperspace tracel or something. oooohhh! the transistion time from hyperspace to realspace would be plenty of time for a tiny course bend, and it's kinda sorta plausible that's the only time a hyperspace route could be bent anyway!

@@slavesforging5361 You are forgetting a big detail. This was a very important imperial base so they (the Empire) must have had planned for this kind of operation. So even if this seems very unlikely, it makes sense for the most elite ship commanded by the most elite commander IMHO!

Just as importantly, Scarif really only had one route to attack through, which the Empire (and presumably Vader) would have known the location of in advance, so even if a hyperspace route easily wrapped an entire star system, the combination of known location + known minimum distance before jump means that Vader could have just exited hyperspace on the edge of the system, got a quick location update from in-system bouys, and then performed a microjump to land right on top of the rebel flotilla.

@@slavesforging5361 If we know/calculate a given point, then navcomps might automatically add an offset to one side when calculating paths to a planet. Leaving from that point wouldn't automatically use an offset, because you're still in real space (but it's possible that it provides an "optimum departure point" using the offset that you could navigate to, or traffic control in the area would assign you a departure area). This would allow automatic lane "creation", while potentially allowing for overrides or the like to change or remove the offset. In the case of Rogue One, it's possible that they weren't caring about the offset so much on the way out, and the emergency situation had the ISD override the offset on the way in. "My Lord, how close do you wish us to drop out?" "Right down their throats." "Very good, sir. Navigation, plot course to Scarif, zero offset at destination, minimum safe drop out. Commence jump when ready."

That's a valid point that keeps coming up. It's arguable that Anakin was the single best pilot the Jedi ever had, not just in terms of dog fighting but in Hyper Space navagation too. Even without dipping into Legends canon, the mouse's canon material makes that just as clear. If you add Legends too, this move is something Vader could of calculated while Force choking the navigation officer who told him getting that close was impossible and sipping a pina colada.

Isnt he already scary?

Fantastic point!

It was probably no more than six months since Lothal and Thrawn Treason, but nearly two years since Batuu (in Thrawn Alliance) by my reckoning, Captain Karvok.

Did Vader actually learn how to do that or was he just told about it?

@@darthrevan4933 he did learn it, they use Vader to arrive before their enemy and catch them off guard.

Wow, it would be so cool if Vader actually did that here.

YES! THANK YOU!!

Classic!

"The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone."

The white zone has always been for loading and unloading. There's never been any stopping in a red zone.

Yes, it seems the next time he exited to close was his last time. Why risk your life with a hyper space exit when you don't have to. This seems to me to be evidence that Vader did not want to exit close to their target. He was quite forgiving.

I would also assume that the mass of the ship matters. A computer would be able to get the timing right, but the required mass to make a hyperspace projectile might still be uneconomical.

That GR75 was also totally not even powering to jump. The ISD dropped out and it had to break off before it could even properly align you see the CR90 and a couple of fighters get out just as the ISD drops out of lightspeed.

That scene still makes space combat in Star Wars obsolete, when combatants can attach semi functioning hyperdrives to any solid object to one shot any starship. Not only that, the scene contradicts the movie's narrative by doing the very thing Rose told Fin not to do with the "this is how we win" speech. Which in an of itself is an unintentional Hitler quote.

If it's on Cole's terms, Cole.

NOVA nukes/SHIVA nukes that can pop a gas giant and make it go supernova I’d definitely say Cole

SW is on a whole other level than Halo, at least regarding Covenant vs UNSC.

@@agonefire that’s actually false, and Ecks even proves it with his really old versus videos where the UNSC easily destroys the Death Star. Here’s how it works: Halo uses almost real life physics for their space combat. Therefore, they usually fight beyond visual range and use radar/instruments/AI to calculate all of its armament. This means their MAC cannons (that travel a significant portion of the speed of light) have virtually infinite range. Star Wars ships fight within visual range, and their sensors do not extend to over 100 km. Basically, Halo ships will always engage Star Wars ships before Star Wars ships even know there is a halo ship there. Additionally, Star Wars uses mainly ray shields, which only deflect laser/plasma based weaponary. Rarely does a ship have strong particle shielding, (the thing that stops physical objects) as seen with Empire Strikes Back, where an ISD was completely destroyed by slow moving asteroids. Now imagine a Tungsten depeleted Uranium round traveling at 40% the speed of light going straight through a Star Destroyers Bridge.

@@nicholaswong6737 But we also see in Clone Wars, asteroids bounce off a Munificent frigate.

Basically the safeties drop you from hyperspace well before you can hit the mass shadow (a comfortable margin of error), but if you were an insane madman you could turn them off and cut in much closer to the mass shadow before dropping out.

That scene actually broke the lore. Along with the U-Wing exiting Jedha's atmosphere via hyperspace in Rogue One. The plans being beamed aboard the Profundity in Rogue One contradicts Vader's line of "we intercepted a transmission beamed directly aboard this vessel (Tantive lV)" in ANH. The fandom is too lenient on Rogue One's flaws.

A ship's nav computer is what forces it to exit hyperspace at a safe distance so you don't crash into a planet or a star. Han says in the force awakens that he disabled that safety protocol for the Starkiller base mission, they proceed to almost crash the Falcon, which to me is a good example of why that safety exists.

@@YbotPoweredGaming Even in canon hyperdrives don't work within a mass shadow, otherwise the Interdictor Cruisers wouldn't work. It still contradicts the lore no matter how you look at it.

@@pepperedash4424 it's called a retcon, the original trilogy is absolutely full of them lol.

Well, "ready" might be a misnomer. That's was surely their jobs, but they weren't good at it.

ThE bAtTlE oF sCaRif iS tHe bEsT aNd mAkEs tOtAl sEnSe Meanwhile ship captains being dumdums, tons of imperial fighters never managed to destroy a single one of rebel ships, nor did much stronger star destroyers but Vader's star destroyer actually manages to clear them all up by itseld, the disabled star destroyer never fell down even though it was in atmosphere etc etc...

@@a_balloon Except we see several rebel ships being destroyed during the battle, the Star Destroyers following Imperial tactics (that had been noted as problematic for years IRL prior to the movie), and the garrison was caught with their pants down... Plus, if you think the units assigned to guard some backwater are The Empire's best, well, I would take that bet.

@@Sephiroth144 we see several of them getting destroyed by Vader's ISD, people whine about the ST tactics but look, all of a sudden it is normal for tactics to be bad, but yes, I will suppose they were caught by surprise and didn't realise what was going on quickly enough. And I would say that, to protect the plans of the biggest ever project, they would have somewhat of a more defence

@@a_balloon The secrecy was the biggest defense. Again, why would the Shield Gate be open unless there was no concern... To make a real world allusion, its the same reason why a door to a building would be unlocked. Sure, there might be a security guard inside the unlocked door, but if they thought there was a real or imminent threat, you lock the door. Plus, poor (Imperial) tactics are pretty par for the course in the movies; not scrambling fighters (at least not immediately), not engaging the Rebel Fleet with the Star Destroyers laying in wait around Endor because the Emperor needed to get his Superlaser rocks off, bringing the ships out of hyperspace too close to Hoth, not shooting (or even tractoring) an apparently malfunctioning escape pod over Tatooine... Honestly, the (original) movies make one wonder how the hell the Empire took over the galaxy in the first place.

Damned Aurorans coming into Viking.

@@vp21ct And they're not even shooting at me, they're firing their railguns and missiles at the Fed Destroyer defending the system, but I get caught in the crossfire... That game definitely has flaws, but I really love the way AI factions just duke it out on-screen, whether you're involved or not. It really made the game's wars feel real.

Is this like a copy pasta or something

@@bobsempletank5362 yes I have several video ideas. I keep them in a folder and every video I copy and paste them as soon as I can. Saves me the trouble of typing it out.

Thrawn outmanouvers Ender, but Ender reverses it with a hyperspace ram that takes out Thrawn's ship.

Yes

@The Johnnie Walker, The Best A Man Can Get Guess we need Valentine to beat him then.

Didn't have too much in the way of collision IIRC.

@@DIEGhostfish But it did and it was all not intended. No one espected the Lusankya there at that moment, but sparked the plan on how it was used at the end of Starlancer Project. The point is, it happened, so that Devastator scene was kinda on point.

A plausible explanation. In legends, Han Solo achieved his record short distance of the Kessel Run by slingshotting past a black hole. I can definitely see Solo tampering with hyperdrive safeties to get away with that.

@Joseph Douek Huh, you sure? While I've tried quite hard to forget the Solo movie, I don't remember any black holes or gravity slingshots, just that weird maw creature. I could be mistaken though, that whole sequence made very little sense to me.

I believe you are correct, we see examples of them jumping to hyperspace near large gravitational objects, its possible they have a quick disable for military ships or the system is more tolerant but likely leave it on the rest of the time incase. For example in aviation you want your center of lift behind the center of mass to create stability but modern military jets have their center of life in front of the center of mass which makes it impossible for humans to control but computers can interpret human commands & with sensors adjust in real time the controls to keep the plane stable this is for the purposes of leaking fighter jets more maneuverable. It's possible with hyperspace something similar can be done by allowing for jumps within a gravitational well where it is inherently riskier. But they are always at least iutside of the atmosphere if I'm not mistaken, maybe somewhere in an obscure comic there is 1 example an inter-atmospheric hyperspace jump.

@@levelup1279 I gather we're ignoring everything in the Disney trilogy, like that scene where they jumped the Falcon into hyperspace into and out from atmosphere like six times in a row in four seconds. Some kind of nonsensical 'hyperspace skipping' they called it. They even thought they could get away with it by appeasing the fans, which they attempted to do by setting the Millennium Falcon on fire. Rant about TROS over. They jumped from atmosphere in Rogue One as well, over Jedha, but I figure that's an example of extreme risk as an alternative to certain death.

That's exactly how it works in proper canon (not disney). In hyperspace you have no contact with the outside world. So if you're running into a gravity well, or a "mass shadow" you have no idea what it actually is. It could be a planet, a moon, an asteroid, a space station, a black hole, anything. All you know is it's creating a gravitational shadow in hyperspace. Hyperdrives are built with hardcoded (see: EXCEEDINGLY difficult to disable and requires special modifications not able to be done on the fly) safeties that will yank a ship out of hyperspace before it gets too far. Without these safeties you'd fly right into whatever object was creating the gravity well as there is no physical thing pulling you out. This was exploited in the attack on Bakura where their ships turned off the safeties and they could penetrate deep into the gravity well and basically exit hyperspace right over the planet, bypassing most of the defenses. But this is extremely dangerous and reckless because one wrong move and you're slamming into the planet, hence why it's almost never done. The modifications needed for the hyperdrive were also expensive and, if memory serves, damaged the hyperdrives as well so another reason it's rarely done.

The diagram is just a simplified version for explanation purposes. Space is fucking huge and so if you point in the proper direction from anywhere in the system, you'd get on the lane. However most people aren't traveling to a system, they're traveling to a specific location within that system, so they drop out near a planet and when you're around a planet it drastically limits where you can enter/exit from.

It would be more likely that they canonize the E-Wing for the Rogue Squadron Movie, since it would fit better in the Timeline... And from a personal point of view, i like the E-Wing more: It shows more of the "Incoom Corp. style", since it was planned to be a replacement for the X-Wing. :-).

Makes sense logically but I would think that they would at least have something similar to "in" and "out" lanes. One lane would mean ships would constantly run into each other right?

Or the Honor Harrington series.

The new movies threw out the lore established in the EU, which was one of the most glaring things to me when sitting in the theater watching them.

Well, normally the hyperdrive's safety kicks in well before crashing into an object's mass shadow. However, if you disabled the safeties you could cut much closer to the mass shadow. In Legends this is how Han set the record on the Kessel run, by shaving off those safety margins and flying closer than recommended to mass shadows even for a .5 hyperdrive. So it would totally be in Han's character to pull a similar stunt at Starkiller Base. Poe presumably did the same thing with hyperskipping and the First Order was just playing follow the leader with their tracking tech.

Because Disney and the hack-writers they hire don't know or care about established lore and just did whatever they thought was cool and would appeal to the drooling masses. If you try to reconcile Disney's movies with established lore you're going to walk away with a headache.

Maybe the writers didn’t know what they were doing.

@@michaelandreipalon359 The Celestials can't exactly let the Old Ones control two of the four known "dimensions", now can they? Of course, now that it has been established that the Old Ones and Celestials were heavily involved in the Sequels, we have to wonder how much of what we saw actually occurred in the physical realm, and how much was a mixture of illusions, deceptions, memory alterations, and visions of what went on in the realm of the Force interpreted through the lens of human minds affected by the previous. Furthermore, who won? If the Old Ones were victorious, could a twisted Canon try invading the Legends "dimension" at some point in the future? Either way, will the losing side seek to change the outcome with the help of the World Between Worlds?

Indeed

yup

Most efficient. Most impressive.

Darth Vader , only you could help us Thanks

Thanks Ani.

@@changlouriousbasterd9524 i like when you contradict yourself in the same sentence: it was only NEAR impossible and that's why it's because it worked this time ... and the experimental Supershields everyone ignores As if it's a Trillion to One Chance that a Bushpilot becomes instant an Ace Pilot and hitting a small target with a Torpedo and it works saving the day because it's a Movie! The Only reason to not like the scene as a Star Wars Fan and not a pricering Gatekeeper that try to reason that something is nor possible with Fake Physics is: They should Ackbar having done it I mean the whinery would be still there because Disney but it would change it to a charakter that at least a few people know

And because Hyperspace is supposed to be a whole different dimension where only large gravity wells can affect. Holdo's ship should have just phased through everything rather than hitting it

@@82christos you know you're presenting Head Cannon of Fake Physics as literally real prooveable physics and you should feel bad about it! Do you have a PHD in Hyperspace Dynamics? Then how can you state that it should happen if it's made up physics anyway? in theory the Lightsabers should near infinite long and no one really cares

@@enisra_bowman we are talking about in Sw universe physics asshole

Yep and many people miss that point.

They didn't have their shields up

I would imagine that even turret mounted lasers would have archs of fire to cover different angles. Depending on the orientation of the ships certain batteries would have to hold fire or protect a different part of the ship.

Depends if Johnson is packing the CE version of the M6 or not if so it's game over for rex lol

I’m gonna go with Johnson.

@@eclipsexgaming1169 the CE version of the m6 isn’t supposed to be that strong. The m6d sidearm is a great weapon in the lore. However it isn’t the be all end all like in CE. They made a coding mistake in the game that made it so powerful.

Yeah Disney is notorious for not understanding how Hyperspace worked.

I think the main issue was striking a mass shadow in hyperspace, so jumping away from a planet should be safe if the navi-computer is smart enough to recognize the direction(or just turn the safeties off), and you could disable safeties to come out closer than normal to a planet, which is insane as a split second off and you'd crash into more than just a treeline.

@@AdmiralBlackstar If that were true Han Solo would have done that with the Falcon in ANH, instead of waiting to leave the planetary shadow. That scene in Rogue One contradicts the lore.

@@pepperedash4424 ANH? When he was waiting for the navi-computer to finish running it's numbers? I.e. he was basically waiting for the GPS to finish calculating its route. That didn't and never had anything to do with a mass shadow.

@@AdmiralBlackstar The Millennium Falcon has a more advanced navi computer than your standard issue U-Wing. Plus the were still within Jedha's shadow when they entered hyperspace. That scene shouldn't have played out the way it did in Rogue One.

Those scenes contradict what Han Solo said to Luke about Hyperspace travel. So they're lore breakers.

@@pepperedash4424 retcons. Or does Vader being Lukes father also break lore?

@@DrewLSsix They addressed previous lore that they decided to change, and filled the audience in on the lore changes. The persona of Anakin was killed by the persona of Vader. Semantically what Obi Wan told Luke was correct. While the scenes in TFA and RO needed to look cool to get the plot moving, try again.

@@pepperedash4424 not lore breaking; just incredibly dangerous.

@@montithered4741 Source?

Han Solo's jump into Starkiller Base broke it first....

It didn’t break really. It was coming out of the planets atmosphere.

Tatooine is a backwater world tho, so it probably wasn't directly on one of the main hyperspace highways.

@@UltimateDurzan It was one of Jabba's main strongholds and he would have a large vested interest in keeping a stable and safe lane to Tatooine available to traders and freighters.

everything in space is moving, so the computer has to calculate every system they are bypassing to make sure they are not to close to planets, but to make sure they are doing the most effecient run the nav computer is also going to skirt as close as possible to those bodies.

@@calebfielding6352 Like I said, planetary bodies or gravity wells are not going to radically change in a reasonable timeframe that courses and mavicomputer calculations couldn't be completed prior to take off or on route to egress points if someone is leaving in some haste. Gravity wells wouldn't change so much in the space of minutes or even hours that doing calculations before taking off would risk the ship being lost.

I agree - while in the shot from space it seems like they were couple hundred km above the ground (which is still WAAAY to close - even for a small craft with excellent Hyperspace engine and Navi computer) - what we actually see from the ground is that they are at best 20-30 km above the ground. The only reason the size of the ship matters to me is actual physics. Force of Gravity between 1 large object and 1 HUGE object is slightly bigger than between 1 small object and 1 HUGE object. Though in reality the difference is so small that the X-wing could jump couple "seconds" earlier than Star Destroyer assuming they start on the surface with same velocity and same everything. Also jumping to hyperspace without lane would be "safer" in smaller vessel, because it's harder to hit something. Then again stronger shields can probably plow through slightly bigger obstacles. Of course HS lanes have to be kept very clean, but I assume speck of dust isn't going to blow either. And with enough distance you'll hit something eventually, unless the whole route is being maintained - AFAIK in EU microjumps of that "rogue" category were at maximum 3 light years.

Where is your canonical evidence that one cannot enter hyperspace within a gravity well? And no, the fact that we haven't seen it happen before is not evidence.

@@DrewLSsix you can keep your disney canon. i like things that are Well written, and only use my time on them as well.

@@DrewLSsix Star Wars Rebels: season 3 ep. 21: Zero Hour Part 1. Ezra isn’t able to escape the imperial blockade until their interdictor is destroyed, getting rid of the gravity well and allowing him to jump.

Point and Shoot Torpedoes?

@@wyattguilliams5325 kind of only that they don't explode the just ram at hyperspace speeds

@@archonmage2486 That's kinda what I meant but it's my bad for the lack of explanation

If Vader had been this capable in Star Wars, he would have led the boarding party onto Princess Leia's ship in the same way he dealt with the rebels in this corridor, instead of sending Stormtroopers first and arriving later only after the danger was eliminated. Since this is only supposed to be minutes later, it shows a extreme change in both ability level and demeanor of Vader's character.

Why don’t people say that when it comes to the holdo maneuver

You could say the same about the sequel trilogy

@@thechroniclegamer4285 no because it directly ruined the story in many ways, rogue one didn’t

@@knowital8356 I loved the holdo maneuver, Lore breaking? Yeah, I guess so. Haven't looked too much into it since I don't know a lot about hyperspace But DAMN it was beautiful.. Pretty bright light, me like

@@DarthVader0001 lol, no it didn't

Read the novelization. The Raddus' nav computer had already been programmed to jump into hyperspace at a previous point that it never made, given the evacuation situation. Holdo simply turned it around, manually overrode the safeties, and jumped from where she was, going* toward that point, but in the opposite direction.

@@mickeyconnor830 That still breaks established lore because the safeties are hardcoded into the hyperdrive itself. Imagine the level of terror people could enact if they could just override the safeties on a whim.

Let's not forget,the Raddus didn't exactly survive its NLSR; if you're in an X-Wing, and holy shit the path out suddenly is full of Star Destroyer, you're pulling back on that stick and trying to get past it, not thru it (nor playing bug meeting windshield).

@@War450 But are the safeties for any collision alert, or a gravity well? I don't think its a simple collision alert system hardwired, but one that prevents "aiming" towards a planet or sufficiently large gravity source- something a starship, even as large as the Mega-Class, would not possess (barring interdiction tech).

@@Sephiroth144 But I still don’t understand what stops one really brave rebel pilot from just deciding to jump to light speed through Vader’s ship. Like, you could do that to the Death Star too. Honestly The Last Jedi fucks up so much, i can’t possibly consider it canon

Yes! I've wondered the same thing, not to mention atmospheric compression (like when you hit water at high speed and it's like a solid, air does the same thing at very high speed, think reentry heat).

Its a kyber-crystal powered superlaser. It does all weird and nasty things to both realspace and hyperspace around it. Is what I would write if I had to get it inline with old canon. Which I still might, as I do like Rogue One quite a bit.

@@mancubwwa The way I thought about it up till now was that the force of the blast by the super laser created a gravitational and atmospheric disturbance on Jedha, creating a gap the U-Wing was able to escape into hyperspace from. But now I don’t know.

Naw, I agree. As much as I love to shit on the ST and praise Rogue One, that is lore breaking to jump in the gravity well, let alone in atmosphere.

Aw man, I hate it when I'm right, and if we know it, why don't they?

Seriously, the series of microjumps into and out of places with things in front of and behind them, the whole scene was asinine. Podracing is so dangerous, the Chosen One is the only human who can do it, but manually navigating gravity wells and obstacles at light speed in a freighter, now any old Joe Solo can do it.

I assume that Purrgils just got far enough in the natural tech tree.

I always saw the Purrgils behaving much like various sea creatures, drifting from current to current to make moving through the oceans faster. I could imagine they have a natural instinct where these space currents are, and don't really navigate them like a ship would. They don't need to know exactly where they're going, because generations of instinct tell them "There's food here", or "We go here to mate".

@@jakelogan2342 that’s a really cool way of thinking about it! That definitely can make sense when relating to the natural world.

I suspect that Purrgils have a natural attunment to the Force that lets them sense what routes to take. The Chiss have Force-sensitive navigators called skywalkers that can do that. That would also make it easier for Ezra to communicate with them via the Force.

Where is first instance of junping from/to atmosphere? I remember my rage at TCW too, but that was so long ago and we got so many further axamples later on, I don't remember if we had any before?

@@antonisauren8998 I think it was TCW SEASON 1, EPISODE 13. Jedi Crash. One of those red diplomatic cursers has a malfunction due to the battle happening in a planet's atmosphere which causes it's hyperdrive to activate and they have an uncontrolled and unguided hyperspace jump, clearly within the plant's gravity well. I think that is the first instance on screen we see a ship jumping from within the gravity well of a planet.

That's pretty much how New Canon does things. If it looks cool, has the desired emotional impact, or fits better with the movie/show's genre, it's in unless the contradictions are so obvious that the majority of the audience will fail to ignore it. That approach has its benefits, but it makes this kind of in-depth analysis more or less impossible.

Being there fuels my rage

@@DarthVader0001 imagine being on the dark side 🤮 🤮

Scarif would too. As there is sand on parts of that planet and he hates sand.

@@RealestBoxy hush Lemon man

The light speed ones besides the one in E9 can be explained: Simply, they turned off the safety settings and did it manually. For the tie fighter one, It was Luke’s first time flying a real ship. Poe is supposedly the best pilot in the resistance. Also it wasn’t 15 seconds real time, but that’s how it’s shown in the movie.

Honestly, yeah, that's just nitpicking

@@krystina662 I swear it’ll probably get to the point to where if a Star Wars writer does something creative with the universe you’ll have people going “iT BRokE ThR rULeS iTS trAShE.”

Everything in the sequels breaks established lore to be fair.

Yeah, THAT'S the thing I can't deal with- the "Skipping". Jeebus...

I haven't watched episode 9 yet, not worth it at this point. The The Correllian Trilogy of books had a way of skipping in and out of lightspeed to get past an interdiction field that was genius...i imagine episode 9's version was considerably subpar.

@@sorakibr The method you're referring to, assuming I'm thinking of the same method, wasn't really 'skipping' and it was NOTHING like what was shown in episode 9. In episode 9 the 'skipping' is they enter hyperspace, immediately, exit, then immediately enter it again repeatedly. The visuals show them jumping between worlds while being chased by tie fighters. You could probably youtube the scene in question but needless to say, it makes absolutely no sense within the rules of the setting and is entirely lore-breaking.

@@War450 omg that sounds grossly stupid

Whys that? Given the size difference and the fact the ship was already out of Hyperspace by the time it collided with the rebels there really doesnt need to be that big of an explanation. Its like when a train hits a small car and takes little to no damage.

@@whispofwords2590 it was Lord Vader war Ship, he very well upgrade his flagship. The Emperor Flagship was a Micro D.S. the Eclipse. Or the Eclipse Class Super Star Destroyer? Out of universe but if you ever played Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag when you got the Jackdaw you know you need upgrades ASAP. Armor, weapons, the ram, the canvas then you managed to survive the hunting's of a fleet. That's exactly what I mean when I said Lord Vader managed to customize hsi Stardestroyer

@@0predaking0 oh well yeah. Of course. I just meant when concerning the subject of the actual ramming. Kinda wish they did more to distinguish named ships in star wars though.

@@whispofwords2590 if you were "Isekai-ed" into Star Wars as any crazy fan if you mange to get into the Imperial Navy as a Captain of any ship, I would be very much into upgrading the Armor and Shields of my ship to resist more, then weapons and Ammo to to a lot of damaged, then upgrade then the tech of my ship and also into the Tie Fighters.

Indeed