Protection Is Maybe The Most Misunderstood Magic Ability

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Жыл бұрын

This episode I am covering the often misunderstood ability of protection.
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@bruisedfrog
@bruisedfrog Жыл бұрын
DEBT is how I always remember protection
@wEakling1918
@wEakling1918 Жыл бұрын
I use DEBT as well but I always think D is destroy or damage instead of just damage
@connorl0204
@connorl0204 Жыл бұрын
@@wEakling1918destroy is not quite correct, what you’re thinking of would be targeted effects that say destroy, which would be the T of DEBT. The reason this isnt quite right is because, for example, a creature with protection from white still gets destroyed by a wrath of god, or pro blue would stop get bounced with a cyclonic rift, or a creature with pro black and/or white still gets exiled with a merciless eviction.
@Leftists_are_Losers
@Leftists_are_Losers Жыл бұрын
DEBT is the way to remember it. D means you cannot DAMAGE it or DESTROY it E means you cannot ENCHANT it B means you cannot BLOCK it T means you cannot TARGET it.
@eewweeppkk
@eewweeppkk 11 ай бұрын
@@Leftists_are_Losers See this is the trap, though. D is ONLY FOR DAMAGE, you can still destroy things that have protection.
@moocowp4970
@moocowp4970 11 ай бұрын
​@@Leftists_are_Losersyeah, like the commenter before me, I think the acronym only works if you know it correctly. D: Damage E: equipments and auras B: blocking T: targetting Destroy is not listed at all (as was explained in this video 😅), also you have to remember that auras are also affected not just equipment (the acronym should really be DEABT, but that isn't as memorable haha). Maybe the real acronym should be BATED.
@tommytheecat
@tommytheecat Жыл бұрын
For "Protection from," I always remember DEBT. Damage Equip/Enchant Blocking Targeting
@jeremiahjones9940
@jeremiahjones9940 Жыл бұрын
Edh bringing a lot of new players into the game has been great, but most of these people haven't cut there teeth in fmn environments where you learn a lot of the more nuanced rules. I have a casual group I play with and I constantly have to be rules lawyer 😅
@DanielEvanClarke
@DanielEvanClarke Жыл бұрын
Most of the time I see people play Teferi’s protection they refer to themselves as ‘phased out’ so I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the card that begins with reading comprehension
@thecollectiblecollectabill2298
@thecollectiblecollectabill2298 Жыл бұрын
I always thought you were phased.out.... if you have protection from everything, doesn't that mean all your curses will fall off? Phasing out means they don't hit you, but I've never heard of curses falling off from teferis protection
@DanielEvanClarke
@DanielEvanClarke Жыл бұрын
@@thecollectiblecollectabill2298 if YOU were phased out curses attached to you would phase out too. Any curses attached to you should fall off if you have protection from everything.
@SuperbFairy
@SuperbFairy Жыл бұрын
@@thecollectiblecollectabill2298 the card reads that only your permanents phase, players cannot phase. Protection would make curses fall off, it's the same if you enchant a creature with an aura and then give it protection from that colour until end of turn - the aura falls off
@ilyafoskin
@ilyafoskin Жыл бұрын
That's exactly it. I've never played a game where Teferi's Protection was used but I've watched Commander shows where the impression is the player and all their stuff phases out. Those players in the videos probably know proper effect but people watching get the wrong idea so when someone plays it against them in their own games at FNM, their understanding of the effect comes from their memory of seeing it on KZfaq.
@STS-qi1qy
@STS-qi1qy Жыл бұрын
I think people often think of Teferi's Protection as phasing everything out, including the player, which is what leads to strange assumptions about attacking them. But, of course, reading the card explains the card.
@andrewamann2821
@andrewamann2821 Жыл бұрын
Functionally, in most pods, it is. That said, if you see it a lot, you can get really creative with it... And start seeing a lot less of it as a result.
@SuperbFairy
@SuperbFairy Жыл бұрын
it's insane to think so many people have misunderstood teferi's protection , I don't understand how they can't read, it makes complete sense if people just read the bloody card
@andrewamann2821
@andrewamann2821 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperbFairy the human brain really likes mental shortcuts, they're far more energy efficient, especially when you're placed in a situation with closely linked social and time pressures. If you haven't taken the time to really grasp what the card actually says, including the subtext, and, a lot of players in the middle of a game don't, then it's easy to miss the small nuances that the mechanics Teferi's Protection actually has. The cross referencing required to fully understand the card is pretty huge, when you think about it, and when a card is giving you a litany of things you can't do, it can be hard to invert your own mode of thinking into what you can do. As an aside, I think this is a big part of the reason why people hate Stax so much, as an archetype: they get so focused on the barriers that they fail to see the holes in it, and there are always holes to be found.
@farty555
@farty555 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Really cleared this up for me!
@lokifeyson
@lokifeyson Жыл бұрын
I'm always the one that has to be the "bad" guy and explain what protection does, and of course I will always be doubted and have to bust out the rules, why I still carry those little rule books from back in the day lol
@jacobeaton5241
@jacobeaton5241 Жыл бұрын
Just fought some one about commander damage getting around where is the ruling
@moocowp4970
@moocowp4970 11 ай бұрын
​@@jacobeaton5241I don't think commander damage gets around protection. The only reason he listed it in this video is because his commander (questing beast) specifically said that damage cannot be prevented, so it in a way trumps protection. For any other commander though they wouldn't deal commander damage through Teferi's Protection. So if you have taken 19 commander damage from my 4/4 commander and I swing in again, you cast Teferi's Protection, you're fine, you done take the damage. You're still on 19 commander damage. If however my commander was Questing Beast, it specifically says damage can't be prevented. So you're on 19 commander damage, I swing in with my 4/4 questing beast which damage can't be prevented from, you cast Teferi's Protection, but it can't protect against Questing Beast's damage because the damage can't be prevented. Therefore you go to 23 commander damage and lose. Maybe I misunderstood your comment, if so you can ignore this and hopefully it helps someone else. But if I understood it correctly then I hope it helps (and if I got something wrong please someone else correct me haha)
@multiekstravardistan4480
@multiekstravardistan4480 10 ай бұрын
There are actual little rule books?
@lokifeyson
@lokifeyson 10 ай бұрын
@@multiekstravardistan4480 yeah they used to come in tournament decks and other various products back in the day
@moocowp4970
@moocowp4970 11 ай бұрын
I am glad you made this to clarify the mechanic, i watched an edh video recently where a player had something that gave all their creatures protection from creatures, and then player 2 copied that creature so their creatures also had protection from creatures. The commentator then said "so player 1 and player 2 cant really attack each other anymore essentially" (they were implying that they had equal numbers of creatures and therefore their creatures would nullify each other/bounce off each other when they attack). I was there thinking "huh? I dont really play commander, but surely whoever attacks first is going to demolish the other player since they can't block any of the attacking creatures?". Conveniently this video popped up soon afterwards to reaffirm my belief in my understanding of the rules haha.
@edhdeckbuilding
@edhdeckbuilding 11 ай бұрын
yes, protection from creatures essentially means unblockable.
@tmore3
@tmore3 Жыл бұрын
Video came at the perfect time! I was in the Google and Reddit rabbit hole regarding protection
@hanschristopherson8056
@hanschristopherson8056 Жыл бұрын
Theres a reason wizards stopped printing protection for a while, because it’s so confusing for a lot of people
@Tvboy777
@Tvboy777 Жыл бұрын
Apparently not confusing enough eh.
@jackcarlson5227
@jackcarlson5227 Жыл бұрын
Nah, they stopped printing it cuz it was brutal to get randomly paired against an opponent with creatures you can't block or interact with.
@ThisIsACommanderChannel
@ThisIsACommanderChannel Жыл бұрын
I made a video dedicated to covering Teferi's Protection as well, I also made a video that covers the differences and what happens in a situation when an Indestructible creature blocks a creature with Deathtouch, Trample, and Double Strike versus one that has Protection, DT, Trample, and DS. The Excess Damage will be different.
@craig1287
@craig1287 Жыл бұрын
That combat attack and defend video is one of the first videos I saw of yours, I think it was the very first one. I was in a game of Commander and searched the answer and you had just uploaded it like 3 or 4 day before then. We had it play for the whole pod while we played.
@ThisIsACommanderChannel
@ThisIsACommanderChannel Жыл бұрын
@@craig1287 Thanks! Glad you found the video to be helpful in your group.
@ivernedit4132
@ivernedit4132 Жыл бұрын
People wouldn’t listen to me about questing beast either. Thanks for the vid.
@dmajor9982
@dmajor9982 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if a Fynn the fangbearer still puts poison on someone after a Teferis protection? Since the death touch creatures still getting thru?
@MFewwy
@MFewwy Жыл бұрын
Back in 2000-s Beloved Chaplain had a name "Putin" in our LGS, he really looks like him
@alfonsoferrera1135
@alfonsoferrera1135 Жыл бұрын
My friend casted Teferi’s Protection because he didn’t want to discard down to hand size. I had to argue with him a little bit that that’s not what that spell does. His misuse of that spell is probably why I won that game. I would have never questioned what he said if it wasn’t with your video, so thank you!
@tacothursdays6546
@tacothursdays6546 Жыл бұрын
I remember playing Teferi, Hero of Dominaria against Heliod, Sun-Crowned in Historic Brawl the other day. Opponent has nice board with Alseid of Life's Bounty. I put a Supreme Verdict on the stack. Opponent sits there for a good 20 seconds, unsure of what to do. He sacs Alseid, giving a creature Protection from Blue. Supreme Verdict then resolves destroying everything they knew and loved. Immediate scoop.
@positivelydj
@positivelydj 7 ай бұрын
Question about protection. New to the game, so sorry if this is common knowledge. I have a commander deck that is pretty much a dragon tribe deck. My wife has an angel deck. One of her angels has protection from dragons. Does that mean that whenever I attack with multiple dragons, she can block them all with that one angel and not take any damage?
@Markfrom716
@Markfrom716 Жыл бұрын
Can you share your Questing Beast Decklist?
@Garl_Vinland
@Garl_Vinland Жыл бұрын
Can you target things in the graveyard with protection ?
@famousstranger8468
@famousstranger8468 Ай бұрын
Is this the same for OTHER spells that prevent or phase out Because there are still people at my LGS that say this only works for TP and when I bring up they should be taking commder damage i get overruled 3-1
@bolassnowman7429
@bolassnowman7429 Жыл бұрын
What about assigning combat damage with keyword abilities? Have you done that one?
@OpticF3ARNGT
@OpticF3ARNGT Жыл бұрын
I have a haktos keyword soup deck. That protection tribal is very important and underrated
@5kMagic
@5kMagic 11 ай бұрын
Come back here to say this: playing Historic Brawl and had my opponent against the ropes at 3 life with 3 power to attack them with. They made a token of their One Ring to live another turn. I tutored for Stomp (Bonecrusher Giant) and targeted my 3 toughness creature with it. Damage can’t be prevented, attack for 3, win the game. Chef’s kiss 👌👌
@abreske
@abreske Жыл бұрын
What about Balan? If I use Vexilus Praetor to give it pro everything…I can still use its ability to attach equipment right? Because the ability doesn’t target? Or does it fall off because colorless is included in everything?
@robinros2595
@robinros2595 11 ай бұрын
Not only is "colorless" included in everything, so is "artifacts", "equipment", "cards containing reminder text", "my grandmother" and "itself". So yes, you technically can activate Balan for 2 mana and equip all equipment to him, but then the game sees equipment attached to a creature that has protection from them and unattaches them again :)
@IBeScrappyDoo2
@IBeScrappyDoo2 Жыл бұрын
The misconception people make is that the part of the card that reads "(while they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. They phase in before you untap during your next untap step.) only applies to the permanents that phase out and not the player!!
@bigdawg6471
@bigdawg6471 Жыл бұрын
In a recent game, I had no good players to attack to get my commander's attack trigger : so I attacked the guy who played Tef Pro since his defenders phased out; and I got my attack trigger.
@JessicaStellmann
@JessicaStellmann Жыл бұрын
How does protection interact with mutation, if at all? Is it similar to auras or equipments in that if you give a mutated creature stack protection from a color, and one of the creatures in the stack is that color, do they un-mutate?
@ThisIsACommanderChannel
@ThisIsACommanderChannel Жыл бұрын
If a creature has Protection from Creatures or a color of the Mutate spell you're trying to cast then it will not work as when cast for it's Mutate it does target. Once you have mutated a creature though, giving it Pro 'value' will not make the Mutate stack fall apart in any way. Mutate isn't something being "attached" and Protection only stops things being "attached".
@xPikshade
@xPikshade Жыл бұрын
I'm a little confused on how certain Auras work in the rulings like Spectral Ward and Benevolent Blessings that add the type line "This effect doesn't remove aura's and equipment that are currently attached to it". I always assumed those were the rules from protection since there were quite a few white cards that have a similar effect. It seems odd that they could just print on a card to ignore a fundamental rule of the game. Are there any other cards that do something similar to this? The only cards I can think of off the top of my head are that legend rule no longer applies.
@Oxygen1004
@Oxygen1004 Жыл бұрын
The new omnath makes it so you don't lose mana during steps and phases is prob the most recent example
@ThisIsACommanderChannel
@ThisIsACommanderChannel Жыл бұрын
That's sort of how all Magic cards work. There are the rules of Magic that are listed in the Comprehensive Rules, but then Magic is comprised of thousands of cards that come with their own rules printed on them. In the rules of Magic, there are things called State-Based Actions (SBA) and one of them states that when a creature has more than zero Toughness but also has more damage marked on it than their Toughness then they are sent to the Graveyard. Well that's the rule that Indestructible overrides. Lots of cards have their own text that either add rules to the game or replace rules of the game.
@kijakakimf4039
@kijakakimf4039 10 ай бұрын
Yeah!
@Seedmember
@Seedmember Жыл бұрын
I believe the whole misunderstanding with protection has to do with players being too casual with reading the rules. Wording in MTG is incredibly important and extremely specific. People often use what sounds logical, because the wording on the cards is sometimes weird. Not that the rules aren't complex. I was stunned the first time someone explained to me the synergy between deathtouch and trample. It made sense, but it had never occured to me that it worked like that.
@EnRandomSten
@EnRandomSten Жыл бұрын
Even since making a maarika deck I've had the pleasure of trying to explain each time I attack something that is indestructable that I still deal excess damage (thus triggering her ability) as damage is still dealt, the creature just doesnt die.
@mrnekomaneki01
@mrnekomaneki01 Жыл бұрын
Man so many fights over the that aura I have seen.
@alexanderpinke7568
@alexanderpinke7568 Жыл бұрын
Wait there are cards, that grant protection from a color but they also say, that they won't affect cards already equipped or enchanted (which obiously includes Auras). As far as I'm concerned that means, Auras don't fall off even if a creature gains protection from the aura's color.
@atticusdanielson7198
@atticusdanielson7198 Жыл бұрын
I was taught when I started playing that deathtouch plus lifelink was the best ability combo because of a creature with both did at least one damage to another creature that creature would be destroyed and you would gain life equal to its full toughness but recently someone told me that isn’t true and that you would only gain life equal to the damage dealt. can I get some clarification?
@uhfrank
@uhfrank Жыл бұрын
every card that has lifelink with the reminder text or the rules clearly state life is gained equal to the damage dealt by the source that has lifelink. deathtouch makes it so any damage dealt is enough for lethal, so if the opponent blocks a 3 power creature with deathtouch, you can assign 1 point of damage to each, completely ignoring their toughness if its bigger, and kill all 3. perhaps this is where the person was teaching you wrong was confused about. also wanted to add that with both abilities, it cares about damage in general so it can be via combat or other means!
@atticusdanielson7198
@atticusdanielson7198 Жыл бұрын
@@uhfrank thanks I always knew how lifelink worked but with deathtouch was the only scenario where I was miseducated
@blue99demon
@blue99demon Жыл бұрын
Man, where was this video last weekend when I played against protection from every thing . I would of won
@corey2232
@corey2232 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad they went back on their plan to phase out Protection. As a long time player, it never felt like an "unfun" mechanic, just one that you need to play against/play with to understand. When they said they were going to stop printing it, it was after they already started phasing out other mechanics & replacing them with new, simplified keywords... which felt like they were dumbing down the game at the time (Hexproof being the most notable one). After a while, I missed the older mechanics like Protection or landwalk... even Shroud was preferred over the tons of Hexproof stuff that was initially running around. MTG is inherently a complex game, and it's something I feel works best when they lean into that. Sometimes it takes a while for them to get it right (like Phasing), but it's still better than simplifying the game just because something is initially confusing.
@bradsimpson8724
@bradsimpson8724 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you whokeheartedly. This is a complex, nuanced game, whuch as players we generally love, but it's not for everybody. WotC would sure love for it to be for everybody, though, to pad their bottom line, so they do away with rules, or dumb them down to make it more approachable. GW has been doing the same thing with 49k, but seems blussfully unaware tgat their ridiculiys pricing model is driving away far more customers than the ruleset ever was. Just another example of greed overtaking the product they intended to sell.
@lukedeal5150
@lukedeal5150 Жыл бұрын
Protection regarding "target" is basically "shroud of color" to simplify.
@toastymansabe
@toastymansabe Жыл бұрын
didn't knew about the auras and equipments interaction, when you say they fall off you mean auras go to the graveyard and equipments unequip?
@adrianaballe
@adrianaballe Жыл бұрын
you are correct
@bryndenkinnaman895
@bryndenkinnaman895 Жыл бұрын
I always say protection protects you from DEBT Damage Enchanted Blocking Targeting Its helped me out a lot
@5kMagic
@5kMagic Жыл бұрын
The E is Enchanting and Equipping
@5kMagic
@5kMagic Жыл бұрын
Ok or not haha, because equipment is Targeting
@bend5963
@bend5963 Жыл бұрын
Just think baited or BTEDD (can’t be blocked, targeted, enchanted, or dealt damage).
@brentleedy81
@brentleedy81 Жыл бұрын
so if (protection) is the topic of discussion…. then please clarify the interaction with Animar Soul of the Elements protection form blank and white…..So even when i had Animar on the battlefield and my commander was being the target of a black or white spell or attacking from a black or white creature (should the spell or attacking creature bounce or fizzle) got into a few arguments over this interaction with Animar…….So either im right on how Animar Soul of the Elements works or i was wrong on the interaction form the beginning…… please clarify
@Smaul002
@Smaul002 Жыл бұрын
Animar having protection from black and white means he can’t be targeted at all (from your spells and opponent spells) by black and white spells. It’s almost like color selective shroud. If someone is telling you Animar can be targeted but the spell fizzles, they’re wrong. It’s not like the ward keyword.
@brentleedy81
@brentleedy81 Жыл бұрын
thank you for your comment and clarifying on this matter… Animar was the commander that got me playing magic and the commander format, this really helped me out and i should have trusted my instincts and instead i was fooled by my opponents and lost some big games, even some in which i should have won…..(mistakes were made and now i hope to from them) thank you again for your help
@zacksnyders6534
@zacksnyders6534 Жыл бұрын
Dang when you phase out you leave yourself wide open for commander damage!! ?
@lightbearer313
@lightbearer313 Жыл бұрын
I generally like protection, and for many years there was a relationship between trample and protection that was fair, so for instance if I block your 4/4 red creature with trample with my 2/2 protection from red creature I would take 2 damage (the original alpha era rule was unfair as a Ball Lightning, a 6/1 trampler could be blocked by a 1/2 protection from red creature and the defender would take no damage). However, when deathtouch was introduced, they made the trample rules unfair again in the opposite direction. If my 5/5 prot creature blocked a 6/6 trampler with deathtouch, then I would take 5 damage. This is extremely illogical, as the creature itself is totally immune to deathtouch, and so the deathtouch should have no effect.
@phyrexian_dude4645
@phyrexian_dude4645 Жыл бұрын
It always pisses me off that to this day there are people that still think that Protection stops destruction board wipes because it stops damage board wipes, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Also, you can also apply the Teferis protection thing with Poison, same idea in principle with the prevention stuff but easier to pull off because there are more cards that apply poison AND proriferate doesnt target.
@arkanixarcmage6225
@arkanixarcmage6225 Жыл бұрын
I was today years old when I discovered...if u give something protection from a color, the aura of that color, falls off that something. What? Arcmage
@Flyboyminer
@Flyboyminer Жыл бұрын
I love that it takes 200 rocket scientists to figure out the wording on the card sucks balls. I would have never figured it out.
@bolassnowman7429
@bolassnowman7429 Жыл бұрын
I remember it by DEBT. Protect is cannot be DEBT. Dealt Damage, Enchanted, Blocked or Targeted by what's it protected from.
@cosmicodyssey3382
@cosmicodyssey3382 Жыл бұрын
8:27 so that means they can’t make another sword with pro multi and pro colorless?
@n8w00d8
@n8w00d8 Жыл бұрын
If they make a pro colorless sword, then you can't equip it since you sword is itself colorless! So it doesn't work nah
@cosmicodyssey3382
@cosmicodyssey3382 Жыл бұрын
@@n8w00d8 well they could put except itself I’ve seen that on an enchantment I think but that makes it less useful.
@n8w00d8
@n8w00d8 Жыл бұрын
@@cosmicodyssey3382 true, they could, their is an aura in white that gives protection from every color and since its an aura they put "aura are not removed" on it.
@cosmicodyssey3382
@cosmicodyssey3382 Жыл бұрын
@@n8w00d8 I vaguely remember that card
@derHexenhammer
@derHexenhammer Жыл бұрын
I have a rakdos lord of riots deck that runs multiple damage can't be prevented effects. Also runs multiple players can't gain life effects. It's quite disrespect.
@lukazmmaster986
@lukazmmaster986 3 ай бұрын
Idk protection from everything means I have protection from my opponent existing so when u play it they should spontaneously combust.
@jcalendar882
@jcalendar882 Жыл бұрын
I hate Teferi's protection not because it's a good card but because 7 times out of 10 people think they can't be attacked, milled or caused to discard from wheels. Also auras coming into the battlefield would attach to something even if it has protection or ward type effects.
@wowomah6194
@wowomah6194 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Teferi's Protection and the guy who sent it literally wrote on the plastic around it "Remember, this doesn't protect you from milling!" I laughed out loud cause sure it doesn't protect from ALL things in the game but pretty much anything an opponent with throw at you does
@HienNguyenHMN
@HienNguyenHMN Жыл бұрын
Imagine being so confident in your wrongness you call someone else a noob for getting it right.
@ninjaman0003
@ninjaman0003 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know protection causes equipment and auras to fall off
@YourSponsor
@YourSponsor Жыл бұрын
KZfaq commenters suffer from Dunning Kruger effect, more news at 11 😆
@crawdaddy2004
@crawdaddy2004 Жыл бұрын
Nope, number one has to be Banding. 😂
@freezingfire1278
@freezingfire1278 Жыл бұрын
I find teferi’s protection to be funny sometimes You cast it? Cool, I’m going to make each opponent discard their hand, including you.
@robinhugues4748
@robinhugues4748 Жыл бұрын
So I guess the cards saying "choose a creature" work the same on hexproof / shroud permanents ?
@EvertfromNederland
@EvertfromNederland Жыл бұрын
I'm curious: Who here in the comment section actually plays with commander damage in their playgroup? This was the first and only rule we changed. We don't do commander damage
@Mayotauros
@Mayotauros Жыл бұрын
4th
@familykletch5156
@familykletch5156 Жыл бұрын
More misunderstood than Banding? LOL
@frankthetank520
@frankthetank520 Жыл бұрын
How can you target me for an attack if i have protection
@fallendeus5641
@fallendeus5641 Жыл бұрын
You need to read what protection DOES.
@danpearman270
@danpearman270 Жыл бұрын
Attacking does not target. It's that simple.
@corey2232
@corey2232 Жыл бұрын
You should watch the video... It literally tells you, attacking does NOT target
@vectorstrike
@vectorstrike Жыл бұрын
This video from MTGRemy goes perfect with this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prejesJjmr3cqKs.html
@20x20
@20x20 Жыл бұрын
how in the world can you do a video about protection and not mention debt
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