How to get the best sound possible from vertically recorded records.
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@m2esectr12 жыл бұрын
Those are art songs, meant to depict in music the words of the poems they are based on, and are categorized as classical music. "The Bird Song" has depictions of birds in the flute part, and its cadenzas are like those found in opera arias meant for the singer to show off her range and technique. The strange legato lines in "The Night Wind" are meant to depict wind blowing through a window gap.
@ThomasAlva13 жыл бұрын
The Edison Diamond Discs are 1/4" thick, because the hard baked wood powder cores acted as an acoustic damper to counter the vertical pounding of the diamond stylus on the condensite lac surface. If you play an Diamond Disc on an Edison machine, you can actually feel the record vibrate if you run your finger gently on the record while it plays. They are superior records. The edges are coated with a dark paint-like-wax that seals them from humidity. but that doesn't make them 100% waterproof
@MCDreng4 ай бұрын
As superior as the tech might have been Edison basically doubly ruined his chances of market success, 1.) directly competing against an already established (pseudo-) standard in the typical shellac disc, 2.) only recording music that Edison, an older white man with conservative tastes in music, liked - the other companies had music that was much more in line with young people's tastes, and even "race records" for black audiences (of course much like pride merchandise of today, they only saw that as an opportunity for more money, which it was, but hey ... every dollar spends equally)
@TheGroovySideOftheTube12 жыл бұрын
For an acoustic recording, that is really, really good. Great sonic fidelity, with very low surface noise. A real credit to Edison and his engineers, they must've worked really hard to get it sounding so good. Thanks for the cartridge phase tips as well.
@comedyshorts211 жыл бұрын
I have this Edison & it sounds better than I thought it would. Opera styles were considered high class, whereas today's music has no class.
@kfl6112 жыл бұрын
It's a diamond disc ! Yes hill and dale recording. Dad's parents didn't talk about life back in the day much, but my grandmother did say she didn't understand why todays music was so loud, but then she said that in her day the bands played their music loud too (1920's). She also said her parents used to like and listen, and play 'dreadful sweet victorian songs'. I thought that was too funny.
@Mark5W8Comer11 жыл бұрын
Frieda Hempel was born June 26, 1885 in Leipzig, and died: October 7, 1955. I can't find a specific date for release of this record, but the Edison DD was in production from 1912 to 1929.
@FloridaClay9 жыл бұрын
Late Diamond Disc records were electrically recorded; starting with (depending on the series) numbers 52809, 80885, and 82351.
@esroberto18 жыл бұрын
+FloridaClay Nope - 52089. I'm assuming your incorrect number here was actually just a typo.
@FloridaClay8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Wright Yes, a number transposed. It should have been 52089.
@esroberto18 жыл бұрын
FloridaClay I figured that was the case. :-) Anyone who knows there were electrically recorded Diamond Discs usually knows what numbers in the series they started.
@Vinyl_Dave Жыл бұрын
Hopefully not repeating myself but as I've noted elsewhere, Old Edison sure had his finger on the pulse regarding sound quality in the acoustic days! (And he certainly had an ear for surface noise.) 🙂
@Mark5W8Comer Жыл бұрын
Edison's records were pressed on a material similar to bakelite and used a diamond stylus, so that may account for the higher quality. The vertical groove (as opposed to Victor's lateral) also allowed for a fixed pitch between revolutions and the tone arm was driven by a screw drive. Yes- superior in several ways! But this was probably the first Beta/VHS argument in history. Edison was practically deaf, though...
@Mark5W8Comer11 жыл бұрын
I have that Jones & Hare disc! Posted later in my videos. Hill and dale recording was used on some of the old radio transcriptions, too, but you don't see many of them.
@Palifiox7 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a B / W photo of Yoko Ono playing the cello in the nude. It was before she met the Beatles, I believe. My great aunt in Ipswich, Australia had an Edison DD player.
@tough2138 жыл бұрын
I wonder what it would sound like faster maybe better . it sounds like little bo peep has lost her coffee pot but it was interesting to hear such an old record come back to life great video
@twhuning63528 жыл бұрын
Your theory about the records being so thick is not just a theory. It's fact, and it has to do with design of the Diamond Disc player tone arm which couldn't move vertically. Other vertically cut discs such as Pathe didn't have to be so thick,
@midiathesimos7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clarifying this. Much appreciated.
@neilforbes4167 жыл бұрын
Comparing ANY other singer to Yoko Ono is a blatant insult to the other singer! Yoko Ono COULD NOT SING!
@Mark5W8Comer7 жыл бұрын
Everybody can sing, actually- it's just that some fail miserably in the attempt!
@neilforbes4167 жыл бұрын
LOL Well stated!
@Globe221910 жыл бұрын
Greetings! I bought an Esoteric Sound turntable with the vertical/lateral switch as an extra cost option along with a Stanton cartridge that was already wired for either vertical or lateral. It worked fine.
@Mark5W8Comer10 жыл бұрын
I bought the CVS-16, capable of playing 16" transcription records. It will play just about any record made, but I have to admit that I really don't like the tonearm. The extra length provides less tracking error for records 12" and less, but it lacks some simple features- such as an adjustable anti-skate mechanism and it doesn't have a cue lever to lift the arm. The arm, in my opinion, SUCKS! ...And I'm looking for a way to replace it. Yes- that "lateral" switch makes things convenient for those old Edison DDs, and some transcription discs are lateral (but very rare). The Edison DDs that I bought were in a lot of 15, and most of them weren't in very good condition, so this one os one of the best ones I had or I would have posted more.
@Mark5W8Comer12 жыл бұрын
I really don't like excessive processing- if it takes impulse noises out, will transient peaks also be suppressed? Maybe I'm being overly cautious. I just take the surface noise as part of the charm of the medium. For the most obscene pops I'll edit with Audacity, and only on those records that I convert to digital for my own archives.
@syedkirmani12363 жыл бұрын
Beautiful persons keep these historical things very nice
@Mark5W8Comer13 жыл бұрын
@dennman6 Pretty much all I'm using on this phono is the motor. I've wired the arm to an RCA jack and plugged that into my Mac's audio input. This phono is not stereo, yet the cartridge is stereo but wired for vertical grooves.
@tough2137 жыл бұрын
well I guess when yoko was a kid this was what she sounded like and now she is a piece of chalk on a chalkboard rubbing the wrong way as she did with the Beatles thank you for sharing this
@robbieblackmon18012 жыл бұрын
Reminiscent of Dee Green mangling "Voices of Spring" from The Stooges' "Brideless Groom", when Shemp told her to "gargle with old razor blades"!
@RadioParanormaliumPL2 жыл бұрын
1:40 this musical taste is in large part just the musical taste of Mr Edison.
@robfriedrich28226 жыл бұрын
The sound of acoustic Edison Diamond Discs is between the usual acoustic records and the 1930's electric records.
@davidlogansr80074 жыл бұрын
Rob F I find them to be Dramatically better than Columbia, Brunswick, some Victor and most others. Played on a Diamond Disc or Edison C-2 Electrical Phonograph they sound so much fuller, much more Bass than other companies could accomplish, and usually longer allowing the few Jazz records to be more fully appreciated. Those of us who collect Edison know these things
@EmmetEarwax11 жыл бұрын
I have 2 2-sided records by Edison.Very thick to make them "unbreakable" and hill & dale cut unlike any other record I have (tho I suspected a certain 33rp to be hill & dale). 1 - Kitten on the keys & monastery Waltz 2 - Two songs by Ernie Jones & Billy Hare. Swimming Hole and Old Town Hall.
@tough2135 жыл бұрын
great video as always mark wishing you all the best and a wonderful thanksgiving holiday and a wonderful holiday season be well and safe out there
@Mark5W8Comer5 жыл бұрын
...And the same to you!
@Zefrenm14 жыл бұрын
Edison wanted a Record format that was free of patent royalties so his engineers came up with a sort of micro Plywood that was sprayed with Condesite a bakelite-like plastic, but it prone to warpage due to humidty. SO they made it thick to make it more humidty stable under normal use.
@reelinrocking12 жыл бұрын
I have seen other accoustic phonographs that could play either lateral or verticle cut records. This was accomplished by using different reproducers. Even Edison had reproducers that could be switched out to play lateral cut records. The ones I have seen that could be changed out to play the "Diamond Discs", including those early verticle-cut records made by Pathe, used the Edison-type reprducers, not steel needles, including Brunswick.
@gennettor8915 Жыл бұрын
You are playing this in Stereo which means you also get the horizontal signal. If you eliminate that by switching two wires around at the back of the cartridge you'll hear the vertical signal only and get a virtually noiseless sound.
@maximilianfischer8899 Жыл бұрын
He wired the cartridge for vertical records, he even explained it at the beginning of the video. He shows a diagram at approximately 2:00
@gennettor8915 Жыл бұрын
@@maximilianfischer8899 Then he did it wrong because this plays in Stereo, i.e. both vertical and horizontal signal are reproduced, including the unnecessary noise.
@reelinrocking12 жыл бұрын
These Edison Diamond Discs were not recorded at 78rpm, but 80rpm. Does your phono have a way to vary the speed? Also, as they were vertically cut, "hill and dale", they took a special stylus. I've seen these records ruined after a few plays with a conventional stylus. With a steel needle, instantly ruined. A company named WestTech used to sell a modified BSR changer especially to play only the diamond discs. Many of these Edison records are available at UC-SantaBarbara, online.
@verkehrsteilnehmer-berlin3 ай бұрын
I heard, the paper label records needs 65 micrometer as 1950's shellacs and the discs from before plays best with a modern stylus and 18 micrometer.
@spencerbergquist7817 ай бұрын
I'd like to hear this record played on original unit and compare how close the sound comes to this. These records are well recorded.
@Mark5W8Comer7 ай бұрын
I'm curious about that myself, but I don't have the correct phonograph. It's been said that Edison records were superior in fidelity to the Berliner disc.
@tough2136 жыл бұрын
I want to wish you a very happy and healthy new year and may all your wishes come true and all the best always great video as always
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! Thanks! Hope you're staying warm through the horrible freeze!
@franklynpolster89495 жыл бұрын
Bravo... i was wondering how you altered the catridge to deal with the verticle tracking of Edison Disks.
@kfl6112 жыл бұрын
Search a bit, you can find youtube videos that give diagrams.
@gennettor8915 Жыл бұрын
They are thick not only to prevent warping, as you say, but also to lessen rumble - another side effect with hill-and-day records, which is worse when they are thin.
@CPorter5 жыл бұрын
How could this possibly be like Yoko Ono? This is just opera/Vocal stuff from back then. Yoko Ono couldn't even sing, this person could
@Mark5W8Comer5 жыл бұрын
It was a joke...
@kfl6112 жыл бұрын
Yoko was good at breaking up the Beatles, though.
@Mark5W8Comer12 жыл бұрын
Some of the really old guys will say that a vertically cut record sounds better than a horizontally cut record. Personally, I don't know which is better. I'd like to hear the difference on original equipment before I'd make the call. Edison also used bakelite instead of shellac- so that might be a contributing factor as well.
@THEVICTROLAGUY6 жыл бұрын
the diamond disc is not made of Bakelite, Aylsworth molded phenol and formaldehyde mixed with wood-flour and a solvent into a heat-resistant disc. This material always remained absolutely plane (flat), which was essential as it formed the core of the disc record. A phenolic resin varnish called Condensite was applied to the core, and then the disc was stamped in the record press. The finished 10" disc weighed ten ounces, heavier than most, partially due to the 1/4" thickness of the record. A diamond point was obtained for the stylus. The Disc Phonograph and the Edison Discs were designed to be an entire system, incompatible with other discs or disc players.
@Garr198411 жыл бұрын
If you have a stereo turntable with 78 speed, and your receiver has a balance control, you can play these records without any alteration to your hardware, all you have to do is to turn the balance control all the way to left or to right. I have also read that it is advisable to use a microgroove needle, designed for LPs and 45s, as these records had smaller grooves than 78s.
@robfriedrich28223 жыл бұрын
But the later Diamond Discs with paper label needs the 1950's shellac stylus.
@MattsMadnessOfficial12 жыл бұрын
wow very nice
@Mark5W8Comer12 жыл бұрын
Yes- this phono does have a pitch control, so it is running faster than 78RPM. Steel needles are absolutely the worst thing to play these records with. Edison used diamond stylii on his machines, I'm playing this record with a 3mil synthetic sapphire. Not the best option, but the 3mil size coupled with the reduced tracking pressure shouldn't hurt the record. Brunswick had the "Ultona" reproducer which could be switched for vertically cut records, but still used steel needles. Bad idea...
@Mark5W8Comer11 жыл бұрын
Yes, I still have this record, but it will take me a little time to rig up a phono to play it- the phono in this video is in storage, holidays have been a bit busy, and I might be moving soon. Yes, the other side is "Elf and Fairy".
@mrob759 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Had no idea that one could take an old Califone and rewire the cartridge for diamond disks! Would playing this on an Edison phonograph sound the same as the Califone...What would the difference be? Just curious and thanks for this valuable upload!
@Mark5W8Comer9 жыл бұрын
No- absolutely wouldn't sound the same! Remember- the old mechanical phonographs reproduced sound with a diaphragm and a horn- a small column of air controlling a larger volume of air in the horn. The phono uses a small current of electricity to control a larger current, and then adds RIAA equalization to the signal (bass is emphasized). I didn't perform any EQ or signal processing for this video, and I'm sure that steps could be taken to counteract the RIAA curve. Still, acoustic reproduction will be vastly different from electronic reproduction, electronic may retrieve more detail from the record, but to achieve the sound of the original Edison phono would be difficult if not impossible. Actually, this guy may have a better method: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7Z_dLqFltvKZWg.html
@jeffbecker87166 жыл бұрын
Assuming you are playing this with a 78rpm stylus? Perhaps 2.5 to 3 mil? Or will a standard .7 mil diamond (guessing conical) for microgroove, since touching the side walls isn't an issue, be best to fit all the way into the bottom of the groove? If so, this might be the perfect application for an old low-end stereo cartridge which is still functional.
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
The ideal point size for these Edison discs is 3.5mil! So even the 3mil is a bit small, but is the closest you will get.
@dennman613 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the wiring of the Astatic cartridge on your Califone. I have an 1845K, which is a mono unit pushing 25 watts RMS into a 12 inch speaker. Sounds wonderful on electrical 78s from the 1925 period & up, & I occasionally play early 1940s/1950s Lps on it too. Is your 1815K a stereo model? I have a Numark TT-100 turntable(bought new in 2001) with a Stanton 500 cartridge wired for vertical. I have been using the 2.7 mil "78" stylus for my Diamond Discs, which sounds good on most DDs.
@chompo714 жыл бұрын
thanks for the explanation and cool video mark!
@realgroovy2411 жыл бұрын
cool i have a his masters voice that is of xafier cugat he died in 1995 or something that is from the 1940's and also with dina shore i am not sure when she died
@Garr198413 жыл бұрын
I play Edison Discs over my stereo amp on a 78 Turntable, without re-wiring the cartridge. I do this by turning the balance control all the way to left or right.
@realgroovy2411 жыл бұрын
i found a edision redord 50053","BROKEN HEART","Gillet","STRING QUINTET & HARP" 50053","LARGO","Handel","AMERICAN SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA non label ones how much is it worth its a little scrathed
@Garr198410 жыл бұрын
@Mark548Comer, Granted I may have been ill-informed about playing these records with a microgroove needle as that was something I had read about on the internet. However, as for the rest of my comment, I have one of those self-contained stereos from the 1970s that has 78 RPM speed and a balance control, and I have played vertical cut records on this machine numerous times, always with the balance all the way to left or right (any other position produces dead silence), and my Diamond Discs and my Pathes play loud and clear with this method. I'd make a video of it, but judging by your arrogance in your reply to my original comment, you would not believe it even if you saw it.
@rondmc448 жыл бұрын
With this information, thay probably used this process for quadaphonic productions. They would sound weird on stereo, but sound excellent in mono configuration.
@realgroovy2411 жыл бұрын
can you play it normally? or would it damage the needle?
@artshifrin305310 жыл бұрын
According to the DD spread sheet available at www.truesoundtransfers.de/disco.htm this was recorded on March 4, 1923 Your results are superb....was this played flat? If not, then what equalization 'curve' was applied? Was this rotating (note: disks do NOT revolve) @ 80? Thanks, Art
@Mark5W8Comer10 жыл бұрын
Recorded straight into Audacity, then an "acoustic" curve applied, and then normalized- yeah, I did trick the audio a bit. Who knows what would be optimal for these old acoustic records- especially since each cartridge has its own coloration. Yes, the disc speed was 80RPM. Califone models ending with "5" have a pitch control, and I've learned to make my own stroboscopes using Adobe Illustrator.
@Mark5W8Comer10 жыл бұрын
Forgot to say thanks for the record date, thanks also for correcting my vocabulary regarding rotate: yes, there is a difference!
@Vinyl_Dave Жыл бұрын
@@Mark5W8Comer Trouble is, the stupid modern energy-saving light bulbs don't work with strobes. Anyone have a solution to this?
@Mark5W8Comer Жыл бұрын
@@Vinyl_Dave Don't use a stupid modern energy-saving light bulb... Get one of those LED night lights with the photocell built in, use electrocutioner's tape to cover the cell (this keeps the light on). These work far better than neon lamps.
@Vinyl_Dave Жыл бұрын
@@Mark5W8Comer Ta, Mark. (My alternative was simply to keep hold of those old ordinary bulbs - nothing wrong with them so no reason to throw them out. What a wasteful world we've created!)
@hyzercreek7 жыл бұрын
I used to have an Edison Diamond Disc player, and stacks of his records, but gave up because all his records are crap. No jazz, no country, nothing new and hip. Just "Edison Quartette" whoever that was, and "Edison Jazz Band" that wasn't even jazz, and Edison Marching Band and "Edison Bird Chirpers".
@expertsenior62627 жыл бұрын
You are very misinformed (or have been very unlucky) because there are some fantastic rhythmic dance and jazz recordings on Edison discs, with artists such as the California Ramblers (as the Golden Gate Orchestra), Original Memphis Five, Billy Wynne's Greenwich Village Inn Orchestra, Polla's Clover Gardens Orchestra, Georgia Melodians, Jazz-o-Harmonists, Earl Fuller's Jazz Band.... I will shortly be posting some Edison tracks on my Expert Senior KZfaq site.
@mgconlan6 жыл бұрын
I have a Jazz Oracle CD reissue of Red Nichols' recordings for Edison. If you like 1927 jazz it's well worth having!
@1953childstar6 жыл бұрын
I agree, Edison records were all approved by Edison himself and he had odd and conservative taste.. His son Theodore Edison married my second cousin Anna Ousterhout and our family knows all the "Edison Nonsense, such as the fact he stole poor young inventors projects and had his staff perfect them and mass produce them with the Edison name. Don't be too impressed with Edison….
@neilmansfield83295 жыл бұрын
These records are good
@hyzercreekАй бұрын
@@expertsenior6262 Edison was mostly deaf and he hated jazz. Word.
@eddieboggs83063 ай бұрын
I have an Edison record looks just like this. I weighs a couple of pounds. A quarter of an inch thick.
@ANIGHTWING6 жыл бұрын
I think another reason they were so think was there would be less surface noise as well, or so I heard :)
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
Because the groove was "hill and dale," or, vertically recorded, warps in the record would reduce the ability to play them, and the thicker record didn't warp (as much...).
@musicom6711 жыл бұрын
For that matter he could of gotten in a car accident and crapped out in 1941 while crossing Sunset Boulevard.... unless he's 114?
@Mark5W8Comer11 жыл бұрын
The Edison DD stylus was 3.5 mil, so the standard 78rpm stylus of 3 mil is actually too small. A mono point is 1 mil, and a stereo point is .7 mil. The 24 minute DD actually did have a tiny groove, but not the standard DD. You are rutting out the bottom of the groove and ruining a 90+ year old record. Unfortunately, people write things without any research. Turning the balance fully left or right does nothing to increase signal level from a vertically cut record. Again, you are ill informed.
@tarstarkusz3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it is hurting the record. The tonearm is just too light.
@kfl6112 жыл бұрын
And one play, if recorded onto your computer is fine. I would think it was better and more gentle than an acoustic 5 oz. pickup would be.
@keremcemayaz27953 ай бұрын
Teremdous knowledge
@BlazeMaster5 жыл бұрын
From what year is it?
@CarlsBarkley12 жыл бұрын
Give me this recording over a Yoko Ono track any day... This is much better.
@Vinyl_Dave Жыл бұрын
Let's not insult the singer. Yoko Ono was not really a singer at the best of times. (Maybe ''Who Has Seen The Wind'' is an exception.
@spencerbergquist7812 жыл бұрын
What was the reason popular artists of the time didn't record on Edison, can anyone explain?
@Mark5W8Comer2 жыл бұрын
A lot of that had to do with Mr. Edison himself! Only the selections and artists he approved would be recorded, so if he didn't like a particular genre, it wouldn't be recorded. Edison preferred "old standards" over popular tunes of the day.
@richardpaulhall9 жыл бұрын
Hemple sounds nothing line Yoko. She's singing words you can actually understand.
@Mark5W8Comer9 жыл бұрын
Richard Hall Yes, that was unfair of me. Not only are the words understandable, they're actual words- not psychotic squawks. All apologies! -Mark
@iago688 жыл бұрын
+Mark5W8Comer ah yoko was okay. just avoid 'live peace in toronto' and you're fine. she sounded okay on 'double fantasy.' like gary coleman told us, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!
@ksteiger6 жыл бұрын
Richard Hall she sings beautifully. Yoko is wretched.
@jhonwask10 жыл бұрын
I like Yoko Ono. LOL. Very nice reproduction of the vertical disc. Sounds almost new.
@bobbyroy846 жыл бұрын
If You have a Great Dance Record EDISON And other Recording`s YES You can Play them at a Dance Party! Of course I would Play this record as a GAG! Look up a Edison Diamond Disc, "Give Us The Charleston" I have had this played at a party, Had tones of FUN! A Lot of other 1920s Jazz Records Played at the theme party! I just remove one of My feed wires from My Stanton 500 Cartridge! And in as early as 1923 Electric recording`s were being released, EDISON Started in 1927!
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's always fun to slip in a gag track at a party! I slipped in Eddie Duchin's "Ol' Man Mose" once- laugh riot! Amazing, though- they had electronic recording, but electronic playback lagged behind a few years
@bobbyroy846 жыл бұрын
You know I ought to give this a try! My Brother mixes music for football games! And I have a Ann Case 8000 series EDISON I ought to slip into his machine! IMAGINE The look on every ones face! I HATE THAT RECORD! I Use it as a wall hanging! Most all of My Collection including EDISON Records are Jazz and Pop of the time with a Mix of Western & Country from the 1920`s and 1930`s!
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
I love the jazz records from that era. Musicians seemed to have much more talent than now. What I can really get into is "Jumpin' Jive," sort of dancy jazz/pop, but I don't know which artists to pursue...
@bobbyroy846 жыл бұрын
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@mgconlan6 жыл бұрын
I actually like Yoko Ono's music -- her singing style was an attempt to copy avant-garde jazz musicians like Ornette Coleman, whom she recorded with, and Albert Ayler -- but she and Frieda Hempel sound nothing like each other. Hempel was a well-known, highly regarded opera star in the early 20th century. Check out her record of Handel's "Il Pensieroso" from Ward Marston's "Edison Legacy" CD reissue and you'll hear an absolutely fabulous coloratura voice! These two songs don't show her at her best.
@RedVynil7 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, 4:30!! I don't remember them playing that long! 10" 78's couldn't even get 3:45! This woman is singing! It's a kind of operatic style. Yoko just screeches and makes random noises!
@Mark5W8Comer7 жыл бұрын
And I will forever be sorry for the Yoko comment! Yes- the Edison discs played a little longer- the groove was vertically cut which allowed a finer pitch to be achieved, less chance of a horizontal groove excursion to intrude on adjacent wraps of the spiral.
@RedVynil7 жыл бұрын
Oh, I can see what you mean with the Yoko comment, there's SOME similarity, but, this woman is a very professional singer, Yoko is not a singer at all! she actually CAN carry a tune, if she wants to, but, she seems to prefer her annoying caterwauling!
@inflatedginger87787 жыл бұрын
Aw damn, I've been playing one on a regular phonograph
@realgroovy2410 жыл бұрын
i need alittle help here i just taken out the cartridge and i need to rewire it. it is not a BIG issue but it is very small and it might be a bit hard to put back together
@Mark5W8Comer10 жыл бұрын
Ummm... You *didn't* disassemble the cartridge, did you? All you would need to do if anything is dismount it, not disassemble it. Rewiring it is a simple thing to do- all you have to do is cross the leads from one of the channels. If you've taken the cartridge apart, I don't know what I can do to help you.
@realgroovy2410 жыл бұрын
its all fixed now so no problem yeah i realised what i did wrong
@jjunin_ONE5 жыл бұрын
Este ¿es un disco pizarra, de más de 78 r.p.m. ?
@Mark5W8Comer5 жыл бұрын
No, es una especie de baquelita, a 80 rpm.
@cowtippingrocks12 жыл бұрын
ill have to try that :D
@bpabustan6 жыл бұрын
was the player spinning actually at 80rpm?
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
Yes! This phono has variable speeds and I have a stroboscope disc for 80rpm.
@bpabustan6 жыл бұрын
Mark5W8Comer cool!
@realgroovy2411 жыл бұрын
this guy who made and sung this is probably dead now?
@alexeykokh82407 жыл бұрын
You probably won't play these on your dance parties)
@jhonwask10 жыл бұрын
Was anyone ever able to make a vertically cut stereo record?
@Mark5W8Comer10 жыл бұрын
Stereo records really aren't a lateral cut- and not necessarily vertical either. Given that the groove walls are at 90°, each side of the groove can have a different signal recorded onto it. Imagine the groove wall being a "V" where only one side of the V moves for one channel, and the other side of the V moves for the other. In some respects, the stereo groove is a hybrid of lateral and vertical, but shifted onto its side by 45°.
@HMV1018 жыл бұрын
Slight correction to your comment: The overwhelming majority of 16-inch radio transcription discs are LATERAL. Many vertically cut transcriptions were issued around the mid-1930s to early 1940s in the (completely false) assumption that 'hill and dale' groove modulation (like all cylinder records) provided superior quality. (Any perceived improvement was due to such discs being invariably pressed on vinyl rather than the oft used, relatively noisy surface shellac). Surviving vertically cut transcriptions are far less in number than than standard lateral types. Luckily for collectors however, there are still plenty of vertical transcriptions to go around.
@Swingguido12 жыл бұрын
They are so thick, because marsians want to fly home with them.................
@allen-rp3gm Жыл бұрын
See I like Yoko and I like this.
@frankgunold2684 жыл бұрын
Age ?
@Mark5W8Comer4 жыл бұрын
I estimate mid 1920s given the paper label on this disc, Edison DD had embossed “labels” on their early pressings. This disc is not in the discogs database, I don’t have any details.
@WedgePee2 ай бұрын
@@Mark5W8Comer45worlds says August 1924, but there’s no source given for that. I used to watch this video (and this channel) quite a lot when I was about 13. I come back to it quite often!
@jeanchristophehubert12 жыл бұрын
yes it sounds sometimes like Yoko ONO ;-)
@acghifiaudio-vinyland78rpm533 ай бұрын
sorry, no! sounds terrible. makes me wonder if you ever heard a diamon disc for real. They sound amazing with thr right equipment. hotwiring cancel out mambo doesn't work and doesn't do justice to this record. there is plenty of sound waiting to come out.
@Mark5W8Comer11 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your find! Please be careful with it- DO NOT play it on a standard phonograph with a steel needle- you WILL ruin it! The value of this record can only be determined by how much someone is willing to pay to buy it from you- it's all subjective to whoever is willing to buy it. Some of them can be found on eBay for cheap, others (especially the 24 minute long playing ones) will go for much more.
@madbear35126 жыл бұрын
You could bring em to a ball. There nothing like dancing to opera. Or listening to opera any way. Only bad thing about diamond dics are no country or jazz. Which grain popularity at the time. Now I know there some jazz but not much
@Mark5W8Comer6 жыл бұрын
It is claimed that Edison only produced records of music that *HE* liked- not necessarily of what the public wanted to buy!
@madbear35126 жыл бұрын
Mark5W8Comer And that why they didn't sell as well as 78s. Or other flat discs for that matter.
@davidk62715 жыл бұрын
I think The Beatles ruined Yoko’ career
@neilmansfield83292 жыл бұрын
I l😅
@Vladislaw8114 жыл бұрын
Yes, sounds like Yoko Ono, but is much more better. :)))))
@jeeprod1 Жыл бұрын
I have an issue with anyone who posts videos showcasing the music of a century ago and plays the absolute worst selection they can find. I have hundreds of Edison records, and when I come across an example like this, I take it out for target practice. You get a free pass only if this is the only example you have. Otherwise, you do a dis service to your viewers who may think this is representative of what everyone listened to in 1915. It most decidedly is not. Take this record out and play a round of frisby golf with it.
@WedgePee2 ай бұрын
Edison only signed artists he personally liked. A lot of the Diamond Disc songs were dated even then.