EEVblog 1545 - R&S MXO4 TEARDOWN. The World's Fastest Oscilloscope!

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@neutron7 Жыл бұрын

ADC chip alone is worth more than my entire scope.

@StreuB1 Жыл бұрын

ADC chip alone is worth more than my last car!

@Kirillissimus Жыл бұрын

That is the reason for the flimsy handle axle. With all the expensive thechnology they had to cut the cost at least somewhere. Not sure how much they managed to save though.

@omniyambot9876 Жыл бұрын

I used an adc 16bit for current measuring shunt and it costs like 4$ for the chip breakout board alone almost as much as my mcu. Are ADCs generally expensive?

@neutron7 Жыл бұрын

@@omniyambot9876 Ones that we use for our projects are usually pretty cheap, but they are over 1000 times slower.

@YonezH Жыл бұрын

Bah! Half a probe breaks my budget 😢

@jeroenontour Жыл бұрын

It is the first time i see Dave using a wriststrap for a teardown. He really must love this scope.

@ovalwingnut Жыл бұрын

Spot on Jeroen! I find this ShOcKiNg too.

@ernestb.2377 7 ай бұрын

Considering the price not really a surprise. And we don't even know who is the owner of the scope.

@IanScottJohnston Жыл бұрын

Watched at 1440p on a capable monitor, stunning video quality. It's like I am holding that Pcb! Don't sell that camera Dave.

@Tarodenaro Жыл бұрын

You know it's a good ADC when the specsheet at 23:30 mentions "Electronic Warfare" right there

@asm_nop Жыл бұрын

R&S is German, so the "RuS" etched on that front-end amp is "Rohde und Schwarz".

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

Ah, thanks.

@Kirillissimus Жыл бұрын

So that is not a special edition of the chip designed specifically for the russian market...

@Manawyrm Жыл бұрын

"Whoever laid out this board takes pride in their work and they know what they're doing." That Rohde & Schwarz engineer should be putting that sentence with a link to this point in the video into their resume (or perforrmance review) 😆

@pauldenisowski Жыл бұрын

Oh trust me, they are all watching this video :)

@younesthabet Жыл бұрын

i hope one day i would be able to layout a board like this

@DanBowkley Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna take a screencap, print it out, and hang it on my wall as inspiration.

@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын

…and on the silkscreen of the next board. 😊

@omniyambot9876 Жыл бұрын

@@pauldenisowski say hi to them. hiii

@TomLeg Жыл бұрын

You've trained me .... I can't call something "A thing of beauty!" without following with ... "A joy forever!" I'm going to have to launch a class-action suit :-)

@flandrble Жыл бұрын

As a PC enthusiast, love seeing the NB eLoop there! Until the Noctua A12X25 came out, the eLoop and Nidec GT were top dog. I don't really know electronics, but enjoy these teardowns.

@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын

You‘re absolutely right about the fan noise. If you have ever been the last person in the lab and switch off all the gear in the evening and everything is quiet, you notice how loud some test equipment is.

@pipatron Жыл бұрын

Upvoting for the 12V power connection.

@SoYFooD2 Жыл бұрын

i got to build the PCBA, safety, performance and calibration testers for the production line for these units. some my job is building PCBA testing fixtures and platforms. and let me tell u, these where the biggest challenge jet to build. the amount of testing and level of performance of every detail is amazing. like all USB outs get a over-current event, the trigger time and recovery time are both tested and log'd. and ges who has a few of these pre-production models just floating around different work spaces. we do.

@pauldenisowski Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave! Nothing I like more than a good teardown video :)

@Rohde-Schwarz Жыл бұрын

agreed 😎

@orbita1 Жыл бұрын

Do you know how many people contributed to the pcb design on this?

@pauldenisowski Жыл бұрын

@@orbita1 Not sure I can share that information :)

@orbita1 Жыл бұрын

@@pauldenisowski I am a pcb designer myself but mostly for an academic research group and I always wondered how many people work on projects this bit and polishes. It's really impressive.

@milk-it Жыл бұрын

I can't remember the last time you did a teardown on an oscilloscope with hardly a complaint. I'm tempted to take a mortgage out to get one!

@MrSmeagolsGhost Жыл бұрын

I love that usb board, removes the need to solder if someone is too heavy handed or gums up the USB ports. Love it.

@codebeat4192 Жыл бұрын

I wonder what the schematic of this 'monster' looks like and how many people worked on this, the service manual and so on.... all must be huge!

@tommihommi1 Жыл бұрын

yeah the 3000 series has loads of issues, like frontends dying randomly, knobs falling off, that kind of thing. My uni had to send all 10 of them we have in the lab back to get the fixes installed.

@ernestb.2377 7 ай бұрын

The most action is happening in the software, like VHDL and also in the ASIC. So not so an impressive schematics I suppose. Old skool top line Tek scopes scopes would have much larger schematics.

@NaudioElectronics Жыл бұрын

This is definitely the teardown of the year! Wanted to see the PSU board btw.

@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын

My bets would be on a bought in top quality module from Delta or TDK-Lambda.

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

Can't believe I forgot to do that!

@ghlscitel6714 Жыл бұрын

Watching with open mouth, drooling...

@obrysii Жыл бұрын

I don't think I've heard Dave say "look at it!" as much as this. Great bit of engineering here.

@ovalwingnut Жыл бұрын

Except possibly on a 3rd date? No disrespect :) Cheers BP

@steve_case Жыл бұрын

Dave, thanks for the tear down. Wouldn’t dare attempt with the MXO4 on my bench. Not enough can be said about the fan and lack of noise from this scope. It really is a thing of beauty.

@gabithehacker Жыл бұрын

Hello from Romania! Nice teardown Dave! :)

@kmftzg Жыл бұрын

I’d rarely use it, but dang do I want one

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

That's what she said.

@Tsskevik Жыл бұрын

1:40 Man I just love the way you handle a 20.000 USD instrument. No regard for cosmetics... I could never

@romanowskis1at Жыл бұрын

I want to see LockPickingLawyer in this mental state during showing of best designed lock ever.

@AraCarrano Жыл бұрын

Love the advancement in Toroidal propeller designs for boats and multirotor drones.

@Mike-oz4cv Жыл бұрын

As far as I’m aware they are not magic. Fan rotation speed will still have the biggest impact. A 120mm fan at

@tomteiter7192 Жыл бұрын

that 20k pricetag seems really reasonable if you look at about 10k for the ADCs and FPGA alone...

@andymouse Жыл бұрын

Green is the new black ! I love that matte green Board....cheers.

@terry6131 Жыл бұрын

Mrs EEVblog had the night off.... Dave was utterly spent by the time he got home

@iamdarkyoshi Жыл бұрын

"Dave nuts over an oscilloscope for 27 minutes" Wait holy shit they have a noiseblocker eloop fan? I had two of those on my PC, those are seriously expensive fans!!

@ernestb.2377 7 ай бұрын

Nice to be able to see inside such a machine.

@TheDrunkenMug Жыл бұрын

Ah 😀so there *are still* companies making quality designed and well-put-together pieces of equipment. Albeit in the somewhat high price-segment 😅 Beautiful instrument to see the internals and construction of, my compliments to the design-team of the R&S MXO4 🥇. And thank you for the cool video Dave ! 🌠

@pauldenisowski Жыл бұрын

Thanks - I think most of the design team has already watched this video :)

@StreuB1 Жыл бұрын

@@pauldenisowski Paul, from one engineer to another. One of the many things that sets R&S apart from lots of others is your companies true desire to be a part of the maker and hobby community. Even though a fraction of a percent of us can even begin to afford your kit, you still are in the trenches and seeing what we all think. As you are very keenly aware, that the makers and hobbyists have technical day jobs and a portion of us use high end kit at work and/or have influence on the kit that our companies invest in. Its smart from a marketing and business POV, but it always seems far more genuine than business. It always seems driven by engineers and technicians, for engineers and technicians. I think that is what makes your company really special. Siglent seems to also do this and it always seemed that's the way HP was run.

@pauldenisowski Жыл бұрын

@@StreuB1 Thanks! R&S is very much an engineering-driven company and we have an awful lot of hobbyists and amateur radio operators (myself included - KO4LZ) working here. So yes, our interest is very genuine :)

@StreuB1 Жыл бұрын

@@pauldenisowski It shows!! You and your teams, keep it up. Please send my thanks to your guys! (can we still say that and mean men and women, together? lol) N0BPS 🙂

@pauldenisowski Жыл бұрын

@@StreuB1 Will do!

@tommihommi1 Жыл бұрын

wow, that FPGA is a pretty huge chunk of bare silicon right there

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

I'd love to know details on the process node and die size.

@tommihommi1 Жыл бұрын

@@EEVblog it's a fairly old midrange part, still on TSMC 16nm

@monad_tcp Жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 geez, 16nm is considered old. Can I have 1M node elements FPGA for $5 now ? please ?

@tommihommi1 Жыл бұрын

@@monad_tcp The chip was launched like 8 years ago. That's old. 7nm has been the leading FPGA node for 4 years already.

@monad_tcp Жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 yeah, its already been 8 years ? it seem like it was last 2 years . I'm still rocking a 14nm desktop here , wait, that thing survived for 6 years already ? wow.

@valiandrei6743 Жыл бұрын

Cheers from Romania!

@ToTheGAMES Жыл бұрын

Noiseblockers are awesome!

@Etronax Жыл бұрын

Built my latest custom watercooled PC with those exact fans, brilliant noise/airflow ratio

@agranero6 Жыл бұрын

This oscilloscope is piece of art.

@BogdanSerban Жыл бұрын

Hello from Romania! I never expected this to be made here.

@stevenbliss989 Жыл бұрын

All engineers that deign in small noisy fans must be permanently made unemployed for crimes against engineering!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@fullmoon6661 Жыл бұрын

4x SanAce 40x40x25 non-PWM go brrr

@cfkn7049 Жыл бұрын

12:06 These 6 identical Micron memory chips (D9WFH) could form a single 12-bit word memory array for samplings storage. 20:22 There's another Micron 8Gb DRAM chip (D9TBK) near by which could be dedicated for MSO sampling. This is my guess. )

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

Could be right.

@volodumurkalunyak4651 Жыл бұрын

Those are (probably x8) DDR4 memory chips. 48bit memory bus, each transfer operation taking 4 cycles, 48 bytes total (32×12bit samples) per transfer. Extra single DRAM chip - probably RAM for ARM cores

@ppdan Жыл бұрын

D9WFH is for the MT40A512M16LY-075:E which has a 512M16 configuration (4 pieces -> 64bit) Who knows how they arranged the memory ... could be 12bits for the sample with 4bits input state -> 16bits x 4 channels -> 64bits We can only have a pure guess at it. But the max memory depth of the scope is 400Mpoints and those 4 memory chips are 512M16x4 which is certainly enough.

@kennedymutinda4806 7 ай бұрын

@ppdan im just amazed by the amount of knowledge you have.. what career did you study

@zebo-the-fat Жыл бұрын

I get the feeling that Dave likes it!

@georgian-mariancetacli3164 Жыл бұрын

Romanian electronics engineer here! Thanks Dave for pointing it out! I will research exactly where (at what plant in Romania) was made and make it public!

@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын

Maybe in the region of Sibiu. We have tow factories there. Seems to be an electronics cluster there.

@marco42 Жыл бұрын

13:47 Come on, where are the MELF fanboys?

@gsvano Жыл бұрын

WOW

@mahmoudgaber5347 Жыл бұрын

charming pcb 😍

@MrSnoots Жыл бұрын

It feels like Christmas!

@paulkoopmans4620 Жыл бұрын

@14:51 RuS likely is the abbreviation for Rode und Schwarz. Und just being German for and

@Die-Spezialisten Жыл бұрын

You are really crazy! Greetings from Germany :)

@muctop17 Жыл бұрын

Hey Dave! Seems you missed teardown as much as I did? Exciting!

@monad_tcp Жыл бұрын

12:31 Usually when I see that, I think of parity, double parity ? woa !!!

@infango Жыл бұрын

noiseblocker fan .. impressive !!

@monad_tcp Жыл бұрын

21:22 That might be why there are 6 memory chips, to store 12 bits, you divide the address space in 2 and store 12 bits in 6 chips. But I still think they're storing 12 bits in 4 chips by dividing the address space in 3, and the other two are double-parity, You don't want the data getting corrupted do you ? or one of them is parity and the other is ASIC configuration RAM.

@borisdg Жыл бұрын

Beauty

@baxtardboy Жыл бұрын

Dude we need a warning about the power connectors. I shot off like a rocket.

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

That's what she said.

@DanBowkley Жыл бұрын

Pornographic nuthin', that board is Playmate of the Year material! Just plain gorgeous. I gotta say though I was pretty surprised at the price tag. I was expecting more like $20k than $7-8k. Of course I'm sure those options will jam the price right through the ceiling but still, that level of capability for a price like that is a damn good deal.

@shazam6274 Жыл бұрын

The one he's showing is close to $30k!

@lasersimonjohnson Жыл бұрын

I think Dave maybe feeling moist 😂

@blockbertus Жыл бұрын

The OnlyFans comment made me actually giggle. Also, Noiseblocker. That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Besides, kinda surprised to see a NB fan in an OEM product like that. Usually you have your Delta fans for that

@zahariaconstantin8690 Жыл бұрын

hello, i am from Romania, but is the first time when i see a Made in Romania sticker on a oscilloscope, specially from R&S. That's a first

@NeverTalkToCops1 Жыл бұрын

Just found a fan with a Db rating of 14. Gonna use 4 of 'em in a project.

@chuckmuziani6262 Жыл бұрын

VESA-mount!

@garethevans9789 Жыл бұрын

Beauty.😍 I haven't seen the main review and was trying to do the BOM price in my head, but in all the excitment I kindo lost track of myself... Please can you do an update on the PSU, and what they're doing to that ground plane (I'm a little surprised they airn't using a cleaner internal one). If they're taking it straight from the wall they might as well pour vomit on the thing. As for the DRAM it looks as though they're them for input buffers and RAM, with some switching to cope with the bandwidth (RAID0). It would be interesting to know how they're storing the input data, I'm guessing storing 2 values in a single 3-byte pointer (that would help with bandwidth), otherwise they would be wasting a lot of nibbles (Gen-Z probably wondering wtf is a nibble?😅). Little surprised the DRAM doesn't get a little privacy with its own can as a lot of laptops sheild the DRAM, amd ECC is probably a luxury at such speeds. Also, I've never sceen those fans before. Noise Blocker is a fairly well known brand and PC enthusiates will pay a pretty penny for decent fans. I have 6x140mm cooling my CPU as I like silence (German too!)

@lmwlmw4468 Жыл бұрын

Yeahp, the 15 year old Dave as surfaced......!!!! Great video.

@bertblankenstein3738 Жыл бұрын

Do the outlines that allow for rf cans provide rf shielding by themselves? With the tiny smd components being close to the pcb, they are almost in a box without a lid.

@gerryjamesedwards1227 10 ай бұрын

Maybe the extra 'scope' for shielding (I'm here all week) is future-proofing for the line? They must be planning on using the same board for even higher bandwidths.

@egonotto4172 Жыл бұрын

The MXO 4 has at least 4 GB for temporary information storage for operating system and instrument firmware and >= 7 GB for waveform data and measurement data. Such information can be found in the "R&S®MXO 4 Series Oscilloscope Instrument Security Procedures"

@shoppy00 Жыл бұрын

Ieeeei Romania!

@danielpas368 10 ай бұрын

I hope you found the toothed washer that fell into no mans land at 13:28

@edouardb Жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, Long time viewer. I really like your content. I observed that on your two videos for the R&S MX04 Oscilloscope it was two different serial numbers. Was the one on your first video a press sample(SN 200176-Cr) to be returned to R&S and the one on this second video is yours to keep/teardown(SN 200183-Bm - Show Room white tag on top)? Thanks!

@user-xd1xx7sy9b 6 ай бұрын

The reason there are six ddr chips is because the adc's acquire width is 12bit,usually ddr chips used four chip in a group, It's corresponds to a 8bit adc.

@hebulba Жыл бұрын

This is probably a stretch, but would be a interesting to see an Infiniium UXR-series mmWave scope being torn down :)

@ViatoremDiEfa Жыл бұрын

Cool. I wonder if the ASIC is developed in Duisburg.

@MidhunM94 Жыл бұрын

Good Videos, Which Presenting app is that?

@Dan-oo1rj Жыл бұрын

What do we have at 7:17 ? Around each central pin of the BNC socket? I can see some leftovers after... soldering paste? Or is it just the dust?

@andrew2004sydney Жыл бұрын

At 25:14, it's bothering me that the two differential pairs coming out of the DAC are different lengths before they go to the output amps. They could have placed the DAC in the middle of the two.

@chirculescuhoria2676 Жыл бұрын

From #Romania

@jjoonathan7178 Жыл бұрын

Calibration EVISCERATED

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

And what a joy it is!

@erikdenhouter Жыл бұрын

Started to look for a helicopter pad on that lay-out.

@ernestb.2377 7 ай бұрын

Also interesting to see that the parts they use also cost thousands of dollars a piece. But then again, they are not paying the retail price, but still.

@osterreichischerflochlandl4940 Жыл бұрын

Interestingly there are obviously plugged vias but did they not get a solder mask or did they get a separate silk screen for the white spots? Why?

@mattmoreira210 Жыл бұрын

Teardown Thursday lol

@skeggjoldgunnr3167 Жыл бұрын

You know how the razor / razorblade game goes for the "options" for these scopes. And how with the Siglent and Hantek and Rigol - we got the hacks. The cost of this option stack = a nice new car. Hack? I know. Anyone that's buying even the base model of this series wouldn't dare mess around.

@sklepa Жыл бұрын

I translates to Rudy&Czarny for those polonaise efficionados playing along at home.

@Galileocrafter Жыл бұрын

10:00 Well, I would have used a Noctua fan for this, might have been even quieter than the NB fan.

@cannesahs 11 ай бұрын

at 14cm size that NB is better than noctua 14cm offerings. until noctua releases their next gen 14cm, which have been in development for many years

@gamerskayra94 Жыл бұрын

To the moon with Wixpool!

@bertblankenstein3738 Жыл бұрын

At 13:43, ch 4 (from the left), does the pcb have leftover flux from some rework? I wasn't going to be too picky, but since you talked about contaminents on the pcb.. Don't get me wrong, the board layout is extremely beautiful.

@bertblankenstein3738 Жыл бұрын

Well you talked about it later on in the video. My guess would be a chippie needed to be replaced and the flux didn't get cleaned off.

@ptamog Жыл бұрын

I think it may just be roasted from a manual rework.

@LtKernelPanic Жыл бұрын

I feel like there should be a cover charge for some reason......

@willthecat3861 Жыл бұрын

For all you metal nerds... I'm guessing the die cast is some high-aluminum alloy... since that's a better conductor of electricity and heat than zinc.

@tinkerwithstuff Жыл бұрын

Those anti creepage slots - why is one of the three always slightly angled (not parallel) ?

@benfordslaw5105 Жыл бұрын

Im gonna make my own Rhode and Schwartz Oscilloscope thats even better. You'll see!

@DiaconescuAlexandru2024 Жыл бұрын

0:22 I never knew we still produced scopes here in Romania! Much less this kind of scope

@rocketman221projects Жыл бұрын

Next do a teardown of a Keysight URX1104A. It has 110GHz of bandwidth.

@simon7719 Жыл бұрын

That's more in the domain of The Signal Path, probably.

@maxheadrom3088 Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry to say but the most beautiful osciloscope "teardown" was the Tektronix Mr. Carlson's Lab showed.

@EEVblog Жыл бұрын

I won't argue.

@ray73864 Жыл бұрын

That 12V is similar to how Intel wants it for the new ATX12V standard. Under that standard, the PSU only has to concern itself with 12V, it's up to the motherboard to provide all other power rails that a computer requires (5V, 3.3V, etc...). Which would make PSUs for computers much simpler.