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11 жыл бұрын

What's inside an $18K 20GHz handheld spectrum analyser?
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@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
How often do people get to see inside an $18K spectrum analyser? I think it's very worthwile and very interesting.
@moristo
@moristo Жыл бұрын
All RF trim settings become different after you open then reassemble it. Thank you for sacrificing to show us that.
@MrCarlsonsLab
@MrCarlsonsLab 10 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, I love the Knife as a pointer! :^) I think for future teardowns, you should use a wetted soldering iron with a little solder ball on the tip, as your pointer.... Make sure to "skim" the boards surface with it. Then wait for all the comments to roll in. HA HA!!! But in all seriousness, Love the videos!! Keep up the good work.
@reybenedict5898
@reybenedict5898 2 жыл бұрын
i realize I'm pretty randomly asking but do anybody know a good site to stream new series online ?
@reybenedict5898
@reybenedict5898 2 жыл бұрын
@Rogelio Troy thanks, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I really appreciate it!!
@rogeliotroy2237
@rogeliotroy2237 2 жыл бұрын
@Rey Benedict you are welcome :)
@666Tomato666
@666Tomato666 9 жыл бұрын
Yo dawg, we heard you like shielding, so we put shielding in your shielded shielding so you can have a shielded shield in yo shielding!
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
@JGnLAU8OAWF6 9 жыл бұрын
While you shielding.
@IvanIvan1974
@IvanIvan1974 9 жыл бұрын
46:08 In this topology we have to consider wave propagation. The butterfly structures are transmission lines stups which, depending on the frequency, acts like a short or an open. Mostly these structures are used as shorts for a certain frequency. The flare out a the end of the stups makes the damping characteristics in the transfer function more wider compared to a non flared out stup. The connections between the butterflies are much more thinner than a 50Ohm transmission line should be. The idea is to increase inductance so the butterflies can provide much more damping due to the higher impedance caused by the inductance.
@rxfx101
@rxfx101 6 жыл бұрын
sure does.
@rollbot
@rollbot 2 жыл бұрын
this is specifically why the knife edge was used to point them out!
@RadiantPhenom
@RadiantPhenom 9 жыл бұрын
RF design is wizardry
@slap_my_hand
@slap_my_hand 6 жыл бұрын
*microwave design
@williamapodaca8614
@williamapodaca8614 6 жыл бұрын
slap_my_hand Up to 20GHz, it can analyse HF, VHF, UHF, etc
@Baigle1
@Baigle1 4 жыл бұрын
no, its just overpriced
@chilldog1234567890
@chilldog1234567890 9 жыл бұрын
Those copper tapes at 41:00, I think, during the metal shield is being soldered, the air inside will expand, so the hole is used for the air relief, and once technician done with soldering, he/she simply seal it off with a that copper tape.
@MaxKoschuh
@MaxKoschuh 9 жыл бұрын
chaurasia hariprasad was my first thought too
@mattelder1971
@mattelder1971 5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure you're correct there. You see the same thing with the heat spreaders on older Pentium 4 CPUs. They also have a little vent hole for when the heat spreader is soldered to the board.
@Jammermaker
@Jammermaker 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Elder I always wondered what those little holes on the IHS were and now I know
@KozmykJ
@KozmykJ 3 жыл бұрын
I wondered if they might be gas purged (Nitrogen ?) to avoid oxidation variances, but expansion compensation is probably more likely.
@goognamgoognw6637
@goognamgoognw6637 10 жыл бұрын
" There so..shield that, ya know, we're talking about 20GHz here, put a lil' bit of spit back on that, she'll be allright, no worries!". LMAO, hilarious
@steve1978ger
@steve1978ger 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that guy from Agilent China fully understood what you were going to do with that expensive piece of kit :) - or he is an engineer himself and proud of a rare chance to show off his work. I am a firmware engineer and I know that the guy who designs the stickers on the product gets all the attention, but a beautiful board layout is rarely appreciated.
@mitkooo1
@mitkooo1 10 жыл бұрын
The holes on the gold cans may be vents. When they are soldered the air expands. What do you think?
@conoba
@conoba 9 жыл бұрын
I hope my relatives never find out what I consider pornography.
@tmdrake
@tmdrake 8 жыл бұрын
+MainsOnTheOhmsRange Same here!
@felixar90
@felixar90 6 жыл бұрын
Hears someone coming, alt-tab to cake fart
@maxpert9
@maxpert9 3 жыл бұрын
Man.. Ohm on the Range..... it was almost so good. Keep the meter off yur peter
@MrNoireclipse
@MrNoireclipse 11 жыл бұрын
32:15-33:30: "424" is a Hittite digital attenuator. "H270" parts are Hittite 2 way switches, "1GM1" part is an Agilent 20Ghz active mixer. 33:25: "184D" is an inductor for the "N4" darlington gain block. 33:40: Another "424" Hittite step attenuator 34:15-34:20: More monolithic darlington gain blocks. 35:10: "H564" parts are Hittite LNA amplifiers.
@axelbelleris
@axelbelleris 6 жыл бұрын
Hello, Dear Dave! I can't understand english at all but, I just enjoy watching... It's very sad to know that I am losing a lot of valuable information. 😢 All your knowledges is pure unattainable gold for me. I am a apassionate maker electronics, and you are an inspiration to me, brother! 💖 Greetings from Córdoba, Argentina.
@kyeongsushin3145
@kyeongsushin3145 7 жыл бұрын
These transmission line magics never fail to amaze me.
@Aussie50
@Aussie50 11 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what I would use a tool like that Spectrum analyzer for, but as a engineer and fitter/turner, I love the machine work and construction of it!, just amazing tech!
@shyam9402
@shyam9402 10 жыл бұрын
Min 26:50 Very likely the reference generator loop - This takes in an external 10 MHz or uses the 10 MHz VCTCXO (internal reference for basic stability). The phase noise at far offsets (> 30 -40 Hz) is achieved with the 40 MHz VCXO. Min29:11 - Silver plated Beryllium Copper for springiness (The white material on board is silver coating which gives lower loss than Gold coating (due to Nickel layer underneath). Min31:17 - Filled via - with conductive or non-conductive (most likely) plug. Min31:42 - Prevent leakage with Rogers 4003 or 4350 outer layer with Glass epoxy layer sandwiched? Min34:08- Near DC to a few GHz Amplifier, L38 in view is high value L with a ac Impedance limiting Resistor in parallel (alternate would be conical inductors). Power supply on the left (passed from backside?) Min34:30 - Low Pass Filter to limit the Input BW. Min35:11 - Local oscillator Amp for Mixer mixing a Low Pass Filter (0 -3 GHz?) to limit the Input BW. Min38:06 - Single Frequency Amp LEE-39+- 7GHz? Min39:08- Power supplies and bias generators? Min47:02- Coupler for LO null? Min47:33- LPF, Min48:35- First Mixer followed by LPF & BPF (U shapes), LPF s are cascaded for different cut off frequencies. Smaller the size-higher the freq. Min49:23- 2.8 -8 G , 940 MHz(?) IF Mixer. CRO-3750 for 2nd LO?
@feynthefallen
@feynthefallen 6 жыл бұрын
What I want for christmas is a video of the face of an agilent calibration technician while watching this video...
@WarpRadio
@WarpRadio 5 жыл бұрын
how about a vid of the face of the Aglient Tech having to realign THAT set!
@georgedemean2228
@georgedemean2228 4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@nodirbekchoriev1763
@nodirbekchoriev1763 4 жыл бұрын
That would be something to see
@PowderMill
@PowderMill 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Dave! I have the N9340A HSA that I use for filter and duplexer tuning and general purpose work in public safety radio installation and maintenance. I paid a little over $2500 for it used on eBay. It’s definitely paid for itself in the 10 years or so that I’ve owned it. Great device. I love the fact that you allowed us an in-depth view INSIDE the N9344 series SA. This allowed me to avoid taking my SA apart and most probably destroying it just to see the inside magic of Agilent. Thanks for a phenomenal channel !
@WarpRulez
@WarpRulez 9 жыл бұрын
I love the smell of expensive hardware in the morning.
@FranLab
@FranLab 11 жыл бұрын
@40:50 I assume that the pinholes in the shielding cases are to equalize the air pressure during and after soldering :-) It is a real beauty Dave!
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
The base manufacture cost of this is probably around the $5K+ mark.
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff 11 жыл бұрын
Little hole in cans will be to let hot gases escape to stop then lifting & blowing holes in the solder during reflow
@IShotTheCore
@IShotTheCore 11 жыл бұрын
Oh how I love you! I recently discovered your channel here and I spent hours upon hours watching your videos. While I know nothing of the inner workings of electronics I do love learning about many things. Thank you very much for your work!
@larry785
@larry785 9 жыл бұрын
Just like Norman Schwarzkopf stopped short of Bagdad, YOU stopped short of going beyond the copper tape and into THE GOLDEN CHAMBER!!! YOU'RE FIRED!!!
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: Yep, it works!
@DesolateDecebal
@DesolateDecebal 10 жыл бұрын
The structure at 46:55 is a directional coupler. A wave traveling down one of the lines will couple across to the other line causing a wave to travel down it in the opposite direction.
@SkuToV
@SkuToV 10 жыл бұрын
I thought that youtube had rules against uploading porn...
@BarriosGroupie
@BarriosGroupie 11 жыл бұрын
Wow, those guys at Agilent sure give the impression of being masters of their craft.
@Darryl603
@Darryl603 11 жыл бұрын
Not just a screwdriver but a jack knife!! 18,000 bit of kit there. Thanks Dave, for taking the time to show us what's inside one of these units.
@DarkLevis
@DarkLevis 11 жыл бұрын
This kind of RF electronics design really is magic! Great vid Dave :)
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome, good to hear, keep it up!
@chrispychickin
@chrispychickin 11 жыл бұрын
After not seeing a eevblog video for a few days, this one popped up and it is seriously well above the average! (which is awesome). Cheers for the awesome experience of looking at some RF voodoo circuit design, Dave. I've been taking electronic stuff apart since I was a toddler, I can only hope to one day make a living doing it and with items this exotic. Mega props Dave, your videos inspire me to learn more about this awesome subject. Peace
@linmajon
@linmajon 11 жыл бұрын
Wow! That's a lot of pretty impressive stuff there. No wonder it's quite expensive. I just can't imagine the development costs for this analyzer alone. I recently found this blog and find all this teardown videos very interesting (including all other EEV videos). Even as an mech. engineer with limited knowledge in this area i just love them. Keep up the very good work!! / Mats from Sweden.
@raulmerlin
@raulmerlin 9 жыл бұрын
Incredible video. Always learning with you. RF master stuff here :)
@whitcwa
@whitcwa 11 жыл бұрын
If you search "distributed element filter", you will find a wikipedia article which shows pictures and descriptions of the PCB filters. Several of the pics are from the N9344C.
@xmoiedgex
@xmoiedgex 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos! I'm a young electronics designer and I find you vlog really amusing and interesting. Keep it awesome! Greetings from Spain!
@erainstruments4773
@erainstruments4773 7 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on KZfaq!
@nick1f
@nick1f 7 жыл бұрын
I believe the LO at 40:04 indicates the Local Oscillator signal. MCL39 is a DC to 8 GHz monolithic amplifier.
@doceigen
@doceigen 8 жыл бұрын
Should have turned it on and done a quick function over view. Its ALWAYS good to know what something working right works like... before pointing out details of how it gets there.
@jardel_lucca
@jardel_lucca 6 жыл бұрын
doceigen good point. Maybe he did that and we know? I'll keep that in mind when a disassemble something in the future
@DRawwrrr
@DRawwrrr 2 жыл бұрын
One of Dave's slogans has been "don't turn it on, TAKE IT APART"
@filiprosu8535
@filiprosu8535 7 жыл бұрын
36:07 is a slotline hairpin bandpass filter. And the one above it is a Chebychev/elliptic lowpass filter. It's easy to tell low pass from band pass, just view it as a dc line. if it passes dc (there's a direct connection with no lines to ground, it's a low pass). The chebychev/elliptic low pass is like a normal filter, but the parallel element is actually a resonator instead of a single reactive element. Really nice tear down though. Subscribed!
@filiprosu8535
@filiprosu8535 7 жыл бұрын
At 46:19, as mentioned above, you can tell it's a lowpass. The thin line plays, as you correctly mentioned, the role of an inductor and the arc shapes are capacitors. They are shaped like that to increase the bandwidth.
@coder0xff
@coder0xff 7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to learn more about the principal of operation of these PCB level devices and how they're designed. Is there a Wikipedia page or other materials?
@markallen200
@markallen200 11 жыл бұрын
I wish I could understand most of what you said, but I still enjoy watching you take such a pricey piece of equipment apart!
@GeoffreyRanson
@GeoffreyRanson 11 жыл бұрын
I love seeing inside this crazy kind of RF stuff
@BrightBlueJim
@BrightBlueJim 11 жыл бұрын
47:07: Yes, microstrip directional coupler. Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe this is being used to isolate the incoming signal from a local oscillator just before a mixer diode. I DO love that "kite tail" bandpass filter a little later (50:00), though.
@douro20
@douro20 11 жыл бұрын
The parts labeled four digits on top and four on the bottom are Agilent chips, using the same kind of part numbering scheme that HP used back in the day. The ones with ceramic tops are most certainly InP devices which are manufactured at a plant in Germany which, if I understand correctly, is a joint-venture with X-Fab.
@gamccoy
@gamccoy 11 жыл бұрын
High-end gear, high-end walk through. Thanks, Dave. Looking forward to a Fundamentals Friday, too.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
Yep, it took forever to upload and process a 2.5GB HD file. I started it Tuesday night my time. Had to leave it running all night and still wasn't finished processing until 10am this morning.
@ELJORGE1
@ELJORGE1 11 жыл бұрын
Still tuesday for me :D thanks Dave, a very nice teardown.
@rollbot
@rollbot 2 жыл бұрын
the knife pucker factor across those RF traces is just...keeping me on edge!
@mathgeek11480
@mathgeek11480 11 жыл бұрын
Cool teardown! I can hardly wait to see what you do for the next fundamentals Friday. Would you consider doing some of the theory behind the pcb based band pass filters? Thanks a bunch!
@lukesankey4192
@lukesankey4192 11 жыл бұрын
As said by a couple of others, the Hnnn parts are Hittite parts. I saw: HMC349, HMC700, HMC773, HMC564, HMC424, which are actually pretty easy to identify if you know what you are looking at (and now, you do!). The "LO" you pointed out has nothing to do with local oscillation, those are input LNAs to set the noise figure at the input connector. Cheers!
@Mohamad-dc1zx
@Mohamad-dc1zx 6 жыл бұрын
Microwave and RF designing have always reminded me sth unearthly and sacred as we get close to light speed. You did a great job of dismantling this weird device.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, almost looks conformally coated, that's what I thought at first glance too. Just really shiny gloss solder mask.
@BOMBOVA
@BOMBOVA 10 жыл бұрын
bit of a jewel, for sure, good video
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 11 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic teardown. Would love to see it working again after re-assembly lol. You really should get a laser pen for pointing with. I've watched a lot of your videos and noticed you always leave marks on the pcbs etc by using a screwdriver as your pointing device :P Keep up the great work, I look forward to your videos!!
@SirBunghole
@SirBunghole 11 жыл бұрын
Very interesting seeing the changes to these RF devices over the years as bandwidth goes higher and higher.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, I added those.
@permitivitym4318
@permitivitym4318 9 жыл бұрын
excellent!!!! keep them coming
@maboyasa
@maboyasa 11 жыл бұрын
Amazing......u reminded me my previous job as test engineer....lethal stuff..
@mixolydian2010
@mixolydian2010 10 жыл бұрын
fantastic cheers, thing of beauty
@ribb4200
@ribb4200 7 жыл бұрын
Agilent must be crazy to put their beautiful Spectrum Analyser under the knife. Truly an RF work of art.
@douro20
@douro20 11 жыл бұрын
High timebase stability. The GPS signal is used to discipline the reference oscillator.
@dincay
@dincay 9 жыл бұрын
The IC shown in 32:00 can be Hittite part HMC424LP3 digital attenuator, H270 can be HMC270ms8 6GHz SPDT switch.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
It is pretty awesome!
@AnthonyTV66
@AnthonyTV66 11 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, what a lucky man Dave!
@CatchMyThrowingKnife
@CatchMyThrowingKnife 11 жыл бұрын
Dave don't you just love your life choices get to the point where you are allowed to tear down other peoples toys for the teaching of thousands of individuals. Great video Dave keep em up.
@felenov
@felenov 6 жыл бұрын
12:40 I love that inductor. So cozy in there
@nielsandersen6164
@nielsandersen6164 6 жыл бұрын
I bet those "access holes" under the copper tape patches are for pressure equalization so that hot air can expand during soldering and contract when it cools down afterwards.
@xDR1TeK
@xDR1TeK 9 жыл бұрын
I am in LOVE!!!
@dawirelessg
@dawirelessg 11 жыл бұрын
thanks for the information.
@kaiallen1180
@kaiallen1180 9 жыл бұрын
I want the input board looks like under all that shielding! I bet those holes under the copper tape are to equalize pressure during solder and assembly.
@matty1234a1
@matty1234a1 8 жыл бұрын
Agilent gets free advertisement from this, why tek wouldnt want that baffles me, any one buying this product would want to know how it was put together, so be it if you break 1 if it gets them 10 more sales, since these don't get the privilege of large scale mass production price cutting
@gordonlawrence3537
@gordonlawrence3537 9 жыл бұрын
At 40 minutes there is a section where LO is Local Oscillator, RF is exactly what it says, and the chip i think is an RF Mixer for down conversion. Z1 is the impedance matching on the output.
@buffplums
@buffplums 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating strip down
@petermichaelgreen
@petermichaelgreen 11 жыл бұрын
Something to consider with a spectrum analyser like this is it probablly has serveral different routes a signal can take through the system depending on the operating frequency. You can't reasonablly make one signal chain work from 1MHz to 20GHz.
@hpux735
@hpux735 11 жыл бұрын
The white package at about 20:00 is almost certainly a mixer from Mini-Circuits.
@lanimereala
@lanimereala 11 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave, just wanted you to know that the Stiff Co-axial cables are 99% copper and another wire because just got myself one and cut it.
@a.lithia5664
@a.lithia5664 7 жыл бұрын
The analogue part looks like some alien tech to me. So amazing. Hope I can work on one of these someday in the future
@rumenmarkoff8767
@rumenmarkoff8767 6 жыл бұрын
It is an alien, HP engineers and some other people are aliens
@francescomartina856
@francescomartina856 9 жыл бұрын
quest'uomo è un grande ! ^^
@davidkierzkowski
@davidkierzkowski 11 жыл бұрын
WOW! excellent teardown dave. Did you have fun putting it back together?
@lidar532
@lidar532 11 жыл бұрын
The pcb filters are cheaper to mass produce, but almost always under perform discrete component based filters. The killer is the losses in the pcb material. The alternating pattern filters are probably interdigital band pass filters. The ones with the pizza slice caps may look like low pass filters. The one with the smooth curved inductors is probably f
@xenolard
@xenolard 11 жыл бұрын
Some beautiful machining in there
@AJMansfield1
@AJMansfield1 7 жыл бұрын
If it looks like a phillips, and smells like a phillips, chances are it's a JIS or a posidriv, or occasionally one of the weird ones like frearson or quadrex.
@williamapodaca8614
@williamapodaca8614 6 жыл бұрын
Anson Mansfield or Reed Prince!
@DrGreenGiant
@DrGreenGiant 6 жыл бұрын
That thing is stunning
@KN100
@KN100 11 жыл бұрын
Damn it Dave its Tear Down Wednesday here in the UK!!!
@zonkaaron
@zonkaaron 11 жыл бұрын
Using the sharpened knife is even better, at one point you could see it making a scratch right across one of the RF filter magic patterns.
@tbbw
@tbbw 11 жыл бұрын
Realy nice that they let u open ther toys, awsome marketing. I honestly would not even consider a unit like that until i saw how much work they actualy put into making it worth the money.
@cemx86
@cemx86 11 жыл бұрын
At 40:53 those are not access holes. Those are to relieve/vent any pressure that might build up during the soldering process of that large shield. Then they plug it post production for RF reasons.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
I might try a laser pointer, that could be cool, but probably a bit wobbly under the x10 macro lens.
@xmed0
@xmed0 9 жыл бұрын
E.T can phone home with that thing .... LOL!
@JouMxyzptlk
@JouMxyzptlk Жыл бұрын
Just re-watched this today, and I am still at total AW of that level of voodoo going on in there.
@dyl4nd0u
@dyl4nd0u 8 жыл бұрын
Uh, I'm guessing the last "cube-conduit" simply does a phaseshift which is welcome to passivate connections. Thats exactly the same with this "snail-trail" and the "hand-held-fan-lookalike" that are always dimensioned for one quarter of the wavelength of the voltage frequency. Cool Vids, I really enjoyed it. Thumbs up!
@yahnsolo
@yahnsolo 10 жыл бұрын
Hilarious at 6:19 aaaaahhhhh uuffffffffffffffff ooohhhhhhh I bet your wife is not jalous anymore when you play Doctor with those devices ^^ Nice Teardown by the way, and nice from Agilent to send you this HSA!! I wish i could have one one day....
@FireryCreeper
@FireryCreeper 10 жыл бұрын
XD
@amorim317
@amorim317 11 жыл бұрын
at 46:58 seems to be a directional coupler, used most to detect vswr in this case maybe to create a derivation for measuring the sinal level or something..
@envisionelec
@envisionelec 11 жыл бұрын
17:42. Those are ground connections and a Samtec connector used for LVDS. It is an expensive connector.
@VasiliyVorobey
@VasiliyVorobey 11 жыл бұрын
The analyzer is just a badass, never saw such complicated microstrip filters
@climatebreak
@climatebreak 2 жыл бұрын
28:45 set the playback speed to 25% and you can hear dave whistling what appears to be the indiana jones theme song lol!
@hpux735
@hpux735 11 жыл бұрын
The structure of the paired lines at 47:00 is likely a directional coupler.
@iSolarSunrise
@iSolarSunrise 10 жыл бұрын
6:00 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm honored to present you, the main processor for the T-600!
@WhitentonMike
@WhitentonMike 11 жыл бұрын
Dave, are we going to be treated to one of your famous high speed reassembly videos with the whistly audio and final power on at regular speed? Hope so, those are fun.
@Keith_Ward
@Keith_Ward 11 жыл бұрын
I'm all for taking nearly everything apart, however, I ALWAYS turn in on to play with it first!
@Ashfire908
@Ashfire908 11 жыл бұрын
This wasn't a review though, it was just a teardown. When it comes to these teardowns it's to show us stuff that you normally would never get a hand on and everything inside. So it's for precisely the reason of it being expensive.
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