That's what I've been saying too. The benches clearing and ejection gave him a chance to truly vent about everything that had happened that series. He probably also grilled the umpires for letting Kiermaier get away with cheating.

@@monsieurnoey2755 it's not cheating if you dropped the card and someone else picked it up💀

@@derektheseahawkslightningf2932 It is because it is the Jays scouting card. That means that the other team can use it to beat the Jays. You are really delusional if you think that isn't cheating.

@@tristanpotts3300 It's not cheating when he dropped a card with his whole gameplan LMAO. Kiermier just picked up what was on the ground, not his fault. That's like if an NFL team leaked all their audibles and hand signals to the other team, it's not the other teams fault

Is not cheating but its certainly unsporting and I'm a Rays fan

Rays and Keirmaeir are cheaters

@@georgefloyd697 They should’ve protected that card better have it on your arm not were it can fall on the ground

@@bryanwhite5766 Thats a very low iq statement. It fell loose in a collision that ended the inning. If you watch the video keirmier clearly palmed it asap. Then a few minutes later when the rays were asked for it they flatly refused. Thats literally Bush league cheating. You'd think after the Astros garbage that true baseball fans wouldn't tolerate this type of cheating. You're not a fan, you're a #casual

Walker is not showing any passion. He is acting. He's a bad actor/pretending to be upset. It is a joke!

@@bryanwhite5766 Purely an equipment failure. Once it is on the ground . . . Cheating is probably stronger rhetoric than reality merits.

He should take some notes from John Gibbons, at least Gibby would go out have a good beef and take his ejection. Montoyo needs to stick up for and protect his players better, or promote Pete Walker

he knew he was getting suspended for a game. so needed PW not to be tossed and suspended . don't blame him for trying to placate PW . actually very surprised that PW did not get tossed normally when you argue with ump you get tossed

@@barbwalker5972 he didn’t get tossed because the Umpires understand why the Jays hit Kiemeirer so they have to eject the pitcher so they’ll allow the manager or pitching coach to vent to an extent.

he's weak. Not nice.

@@beastman6666 - Protect the player who intentionally threw at a batter clear as day?

Kinda tells me that Joe West thinks he deserved getting hit but has to also enforce the rules

No wind up and no follow thru. YOUR OUTTA HERE!

I know I was like dang he was smooth….🤣🤣🤣

@@ericgrimes341 that’s how you know it was intentionally

yup pretty much shit brigade at work who givves a fuck a team is vying for post season while the other one pretty much already qualified

Joe West needs to retire. He was so out of it on the third base position in the game I saw him at earlier this year that I actually was concerned for his health.

Joe West has been consistently bad for a long time....he things the game is about himself....

or Kulpa's the day before. This was not a great series for the umps and their strike zones.

The ejection was 99% expected but they shouldn't suspend him. Some teams just have bad blood between the two and when you try to police it as an empire it's going to continue to boil over. Hopefully that pitch settled the dispute with him picking up cards that don't belong to him. Baseball is honestly similar to hockey where their is unspoken rules that aren't even rules in the actual game. Like I think theirs a rule if the pitcher is like 2 balls in or something you're not allowed to homer the third. Or something like that.

Right. If you gonna hit somebody that's how you do it

This ain't golf - you wanna leave your game plan on the field, I'm gonna pick it up. That said, a plunking like that and the resulting ejection are exactly what you'd expect to follow, so you're right about everything else. Move on.

@@chrisoconor9314 he didn't leave anything. Kirk lost the card on a collision at home plate and KK took it before he even had a chance to realize it fell out of his wrist band. Such a comical take. The Rays acted like punks after it happened

@@Ok0707 Okay, buddy. You keep on believing in unicorns too.

Textbook? So he got ejected The jays lost one of if not their best pitchers who will be fined and suspended. Yeah textbook. XD That's showing them

He literally said he didn’t know what it was until he took a better look, then once he realized it was theirs he chose to keep it. It’s called gamesmanship, not cheating. Is it slimy? Sure. Would the Jays have done the same? You bet.

@@remi-D well said my friend

@@remi-D I actually think they would have given it back when the Rays asked but that’s just the opinion of someone who doesn’t like either team

@@remi-D no, its cheating, and he lied about it at first. MLB should be better than that, its not the NFL.

@@Teladian2 What rule did he break?

I think Pete Walker was actually arguing the ball and strike calls Joe West made last night at home plate and Ron Kulpa the night prior. Both umpires had really horrible games and the calls were skewed in favor of the Rays. There were two walks that should've been strikeouts for Manoah. But Joe West called them balls. Kirk also struck out on a pitch that should've been a ball.

Monsieur Noey Jesus dude...Why are you here defending this guy in every comment thread? Do you work for him?

@@rickhaavisto9023 No, I'm just explaining to everyone why he seemed so mad.

Monsieur Noey So you are a mind reader?

@@monsieurnoey2755 Looks like three pitches were missed. Been seeing a lot of outside strikes called lately, like Kirk's. Hope he slept better getting it off his chest.

No he was mad because he didn’t want to use another pitcher in a game that was already out of reach. Charlie Montoya even said that after the game.

@@nunyobizwax9225 That’s why I said “I think.” I didn’t say that’s actually what it was.

How do you know that? Did you have the next appointment after your sister??

@@dougthegreat1808 she took a picture. You must be the guy that was holding his hand.😂

Ha, I personally think scouting cards themselves are cheating. What other sport allows crib notes like in high school?

Had he stolen it I'd have a problem but he just picked it up after the catcher dropped it. If you don't want someone looking at it don't leave it on the ground.

@@vw8886 Exactly. If you wanna carry your cards around it's on you to keep a hold of it. If you go losing it that's on you.

@@VisibilityFoggy a sport where a lot of info is easy to forget that a written note card is needed

@@mbdg6810 I agree but it's the catchers responsibility to not let it get lose. Don't be surprised if catchers start dropping fake scouting reports so people can't trust them.

@Michael Brown no, its cheating and KK is a douche

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setting up a camera and a tv specifically to be able to beat cans every pitch every game is a bit different from picking up a scouting card when it drops in front of you. Also, it's not like that card lists every pitch in order. Still, i agree that taking the card is poor sportsmanship - i wonder if eventually it will get put in the rules as cheating. Seems ot be football had a similar incident a while back (though i know how much CCS hates it when we mention football on a baseball rules question...)

Rule 8.01 deals with pitcher's delivery

Yes

@@douglassepic9030 No, 8.01(c) says "Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules.".

Gordon, No, absolutely not. That is not the umpire's job.

He warranted being tossed because he intentionally hit the batter. There was no doubt in anyone's mind in the stadium. If he wasn't tossed that simply opens the spigot - everyone is fair game. Suspension - that's for the union to argue.

@@Soon2BRev Tossed fine I get it....suspended is a bit extreme. Borucki has the cleanest record out there for a pitcher.

I know right like they could have given it back but they were assholes and didn’t I use to respect the rays as a team but now they are just a team full of assholes.

I hope the Jays see the Rays in the playoffs now and I don’t even like either team

BooHoo. Don't want the other team to know your scouting report, don't write it down on a card and leave leave the card at home plate. If you're the Rays, you know this is coming. Take your medicine and move on. This is a whole bunch of nothing.

@@mph7282 Astros fan? Lol

@@mph7282 actually this is a really big deal. Bet the Jays would have liked to have their manager tonight and with the player suspension likely getting upheld in a tight race for the playoffs, makes you think mlb needs to figure things out to not let something like this happen again. Too bad for the Jays and any of their fans

@@danthibodeau2058 I’m sure the Jays would like to have those guys. But losing them was their own choice, driven by their own carelessness.

@@mph7282 I didn’t see carelessness in the play. I did see a bad tag that almost cost the Jays an out at the plate. I just hope this doesn’t allow the Yankees to slide into the playoffs and even though I don’t even like the Jays, I would love to see those two teams go at it in the playoffs now!

That's just Jansen adjusting his gear. He probably put that on the ground so he had a hand free.

He put it down when the benches cleared. Some of the media here in Toronto said they think he did it to troll the Rays. Haven’t seen anything from him yet to confirm or deny if that’s what he was trying to do though.

And he should leave the baseball analysis to Gil

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Definitely speeds up the game and that’s why baseball is growing in interest and is so much fun to watch on TV

Toss Kiermaier. Cheaters shouldn't be playing the game.

@@monsieurnoey2755 Yeah, he cheated by picking up a cheat card that another guy dropped and left behind... yawn.

You say that as if Joe West doesn't like ejecting people?

@@cmkelly842, in Joe's case, he probably drools over his many chins at the opportunity.

Also the whole thing with KK and him not knowing etc is bush. Yea I took it and I know it's not mine since they asked for it but I'm not gonna give it back, oh I swear I didn't look at it

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Springer taking the moral high ground. Comical.

Springer was the next Bluejay batter to bat in the 9th. He has been dealing with a lot of injuries. I'm sure he worried that he would be thrown at.

@@jackiesee1907 i see what youre saying now. That makes sense

Springer was worried about being thrown at I think.

Kiermaier is a douche, his post game comments really show his character. He knew exactly what it was and what he was doing and lied when he got caught.

Nothing was stolen. Kiermaier picked up a card off the ground. This isn't like when Marsha Brady's boyfriend stole the Westday High School football playbook from her orange breakfast table.

@@mph7282 are you intellectually stunted? This isn't 5th grade, finders keepers rules. That card had the Jay's strategy for pitching on it, they asked for it back within minutes once they realized it was knocked loose. It became theft when the Rays refused to give it back. Thats literally theft for the purpose of cheating. Its #casual fans like you that give the Astros and cheating in general a free pass. What a job your mother did, raising you with no basic morals or decency.

@@mph7282 must be a Rays fan. Loser

@@georgefloyd697 If it was cheating something would've been done about it. Don't drop your cards losers

@@derektheseahawkslightningf2932 did u see how they collided it was knocked loose it's not like he took the armband off on purpose. The way I see it, the rays stole equipment from the jays.

Taking a card should not make it ok to injury a player by hitting him in the back.

Sticking up for them?! I didn't see TB do anything to Toronto that needed to be stuck up for. I guarantee u that their ain't nothing on Toronto cheat sheet that the Ray's already know that they have on them.

@@crazyand2099 talk about my iq...lmao. Listen bud with this day and age of shifting plus analytics that each team has a team that breaks down their own team. Also where do think Montoya learns what he knows about the game from? 21 years with the Rays might give that away. Learn the game before running ur mouth cause people with no knowledge of how the game is played should just shut up

They didn’t steal it from the dugout , meat. You dropped it and didn’t secure it. They took advantage. Sack up and take responsibility

@@MM-qi5mk It's still property. I didn't drop it. Lost property still has protection especially 2 seconds later, when you know who the owner is.

It was hysterical

I don't think Montoya was ejected. There were no warnings given prior to the plunk. Warnings might have been issued afterward, in which case violations would have led to managers being ejected as well.

Sarah Rogers They had it in the previous intentional HBP ejections, but warnings are automatic after a pitcher is ejected due to an intentional HBP.

Should've been three. If I have the rule book, the manager is tossed on an intentional HBP regardless of warnings.

I don’t think Montoyo got ejected. They had a shot of him still in the dugout in the top of the 9th when the Jays were batting.

@@michaelfalkner1186 It's been explained on previous ejection videos (the most recent explanation was following Tony LaRussa's ejection last week, linked at end of reply; around the 2m23s mark of the video) under Rule 6.02(c)(9): "(9) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter. (1) If, in the umpire’s judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to: (A) Expel the pitcher, *or* the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or (B) may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager. If, in the umpire’s judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially “warned” prior to the game or at any time during the game." The aforementioned LaRussa ejection video (the link takes you to the start of the analysis of 6.02(c)(9)): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9p7mshzs7XRqJs.html

It’s not cheating.

You are comparing taking a team’s intel they left on the ground to using video cameras to steal signs ahead of time?

@@rickhaavisto9023 thank you for saying that. Its not the same comparison

I guess they"re tired of winning in Tampa (Bucs and Lightning). Also the stadium sucks

Tropicana Field is a dump of a stadium in a sketch, at best, part of St. Pete. The Rays are hoping to get a new stadium build in Tampa proper, but that may be a few years away.

I drive 2 hours from Fort Myers every few weeks to get to a game, but Tampa residents are a bunch of babies who don't want to sit in traffic for more than half an hour to get to St. Pete. If they build a stadium in Tampa, the fans might come. Another problem is Florida fans have divided loyalties to all the other grapefruit league teams, and in Tampa especially to the Yankees. But the politics of the Bay area are such that it's going to take a miracle to make a new stadium happen.

I was at the game. Jays fan here. I love the Rays tix prices though. Best damn game prices in MLB baseball. I've sat 5 rows behind Jays dugout at the Trop for $20 one game, and yesterday $10 for front row on the center field wall with players just 10-15 feet away. Love the situation at the Trop even though I can't stand the Rays. I don't miss a game when Toronto is in town.

😂😂😂😂

Have fun golfing in offseason.

Picking up what you think is trash or your property is not cheating he didn't look at it.

@@63076topher I'm a Rays fan who loves to watch Kiermaier play, and I don't have a problem with picking up whatever some careless opposing player leaves on the field, but let's not pretend his excuse was legit.

@@63076topher If he had returned it when asked, and not handed it off to a Tampa staffer to run to a xerox machine or a camera phone while offering a rambling excuse, I wouldn't have the issue. This was cheating, plain and simple. This required payback and he got it.

Nobody was cheating.

@@crazyand2099 wow over scouting report and the jays are mad because he took it? Maybe remeber it and not bring it in the field of play. Thats his fault. Stop crying like a bunch of babies because thry might make it to the postseason and wont probably make it that far anyway

@@crazyand2099 But it's not cheating.

@@crazyand2099 It wasn't either of those. Had he taken off the catcher I would agree but it was just laying on the ground.

@@crazyand2099 He admitted to having it. Catcher needs to secure it if he doesn't want someone looking at it. It's really not a big deal.

Its never good for an ump to eject a player from the opposite side (in this case blue jays) after listening to the opposition (rays) manager.

@@mbdg6810 exactly can we say westie's tots pro rays

Really? If so good wish it was Hernandez's last season

yeah thats a shame, won't see as stern and strict an umpire who also makes the correct call and is accurate anymore in the game of baseball

It was truly horrendous these few games. Joe West is retiring, which is good because he's embarrassing himself.

@@monsieurnoey2755 absolutely paid off by NYY

@@monsieurnoey2755 Ron Kulpa needs to follow him into retirement. I will look to that first game if Toronto misses the wild card by 1 games. It was clear intentional bias on his part and I am not sure how it's not a story.

100%

😲 That’s harsh. I do think better rules need implemented around these wristbands now that they seem to definitely be a thing.

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John Schneider usually does when Charlie doesn't.

@@MekoUnknown So he probably gets the call tomorrow in Minnesota.

Picture? Do You Mean Pitcher???

@@brianmug1624 no I mean picture… what the fuck do you think I meant??

Nunyo Bizwax A picture is another term for photo...

@@brianmug1624 😂😂😂

@@rickhaavisto9023 lmao really? Wow I didn’t know that LOL

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Pete Walker was actually going off on the umps about their terrible home plate ball/strike calling. It's been horrendous this series. It was skewed massively for the Rays.

Monsieur Noey Dude...we get it the first time you post it...the fourth time doesn’t make it more effective...

You do know the Ron Kulpa may very well have cost the Blue Jays game one of the series with his horrendous strike zone, now the jays are out of the wild card spot they held. He literally decided the game in the ninth inning and there is no arguing that. I guarantee you that had more to do with this than anything else.

Craig Veillette Ah yes. My team didn’t win , I want to hold someone accountable...who’s left. Ooohhh. The umpire didn’t have a good night, let’s all go after him!!!

@@rickhaavisto9023 If you watched that 9th inning, you wouldn’t be defending the absolutely incompetent Ron Kulpa. He decided that game and only an idiot who doesn’t know what he is talking about who argue that.

Reading other comments, I'm missing context. But I still think you don't need to eject when everyone knows this is a likely event here. But, I suppose an umpire needs to be consistent and simply apply the rules. It was certainly intentional and if your catcher drops his card... no way I'm not picking it up.

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Jays successfully got the message across. Hit him in one of the best places for revenge. Kiermaier, just don't cheat, then you won't get hit. One of the most well executed retaliatory HBP's I've ever seen.

@@monsieurnoey2755 Picking up something you think is yours is not cheating.

@@63076topher Refusing to give back something that isn't yours after they asked for it back is loser energy. Kiermaier deserved every bit of it

They were bad years because the owners were explicitly colluding and trying to keep free agent contracts down, not because of the product on the field.