I'm autistic, can anyone tell me if this was said tongue in cheek?

@UrbanDefenseSystems was meant for the reader, not Ben. Just saying that most shooters can't out perform the capabilities of their gun. If you want to improve, train and practice. A Staccato isn't going to make you an instant pro shooter.

@@dougr5330 I don't disagree with that.

Yes

Which is why a lot of people are able to go from revolvers or DA/SA’s to Glocks/striker fire guns really easily. They started on guns that require solid fundamentals.

What if I'm a good shooter on the Staccato and then I switch to golf?

2 types of people go to the range … one of them are gay

The compensator didn't make him suck. He would still suck just as much if you traded guns. Just like you'd still be miles better if you had the comp.

@@Kylef7735 I believe he's agreeing with your sentiment. Just pointing out the buddy opted to go with a gear improvement as the crutch.

I’m with you

Unless you are highly skilled in driving.

Does this mean the Glock is a the Miata of practical shooting? (Just got to that part of the video lmao)

200% for motorcycles

​@HWG-wm8ld I guarantee you Max Verstappen would still love to drive a Miata.

The comments in that video reference Ben's own insights. Watching KZfaq is like buying and selling guns - a hobby related to but distinct from competing with them.

People sometimes forget why classes and divisions exist, lmao

You totally missed the point, pay attention to what he's saying at 4:00, there's lot of USPSA competitors that are hot shit at A-zone shooting at under 10, but you give that same shooter a stock pistol and ask him to hit a headbox at 25 with unlimited time, and many simply can't do it. Tier 2 and 3 should hold equal weight. People overdevelop skills that are needed for their specific game and are lacking in skills that don't matter as much. I would say that nowadays a lot of guys new to USPSA bypass tier 2 and skip straight to tier 3 because everyone wanna be the cool guy.

​@@the_bukkaking I didn't miss any point, I shared my observations. From what you are saying, Ben's points got lost in translation for you, and you warped them into the wrong direction. You're getting hung up on semantics and trying to rigidly peg people into one and only one of these "tiers" when they really are just generalist observations on the stages/evolution of a shooter's mindset. It's not "Tier 2 is exclusively slow fire, Tier 3 is all fast fire." Example - one can be in that "third tier" mindset of continually improving fundamentals, while also working on how to get hits at further distances. The key point is they grew beyond the limiting mindset of always shooting slowly to "get your hits in", and never stressing their fundamentals with speed to see where things break down. As I said, most people never break out of this stage. I suggest you watch Ben's numerous videos on doubles drills, they can actually help you quite a bit with fixing issues that cause problems at longer distance as well as up close. Lastly, none of my experience with people who have that "third tier" mindset aligns with your final conclusions. In my experience, that "third tier mindset" person (who usually practices with speed) doesn't specifically struggle with getting hits at distance. Case in point: I just attended an outlaw match last weekend, with a squad ranging from newer shooters to A class members. One of the stages was multiple headbox-only targets at 30 yards, covered by no-shoots. 7/10 of the squad had little to no trouble making those shots. Again, I just don't see your assertions reflecting reality. If someone is just slinging lead at targets but never improving their fundamentals, then by definition they aren't of that final mindset.

@@rory9537 I agree 100%

@@rory9537 based on your reply, I am going to go ahead and say that you are making an assumption based on my reply that I am a "slow down and get yer hits" guy, which is not the direction I was taking this. I shoot competitively as well, but I wanted to touch on the point that many younger shooters I see are content to just hose as fast as they can through the close range targets for the nice Instagram replay and collect charlies and deltas on the longer shots. So I respectfully disagree with your assertion that most "3rd tier" shooters have it together, when my experiences show the opposite, I stand by my comments that many undervalue being able to make clean hits on smaller targets. What separates a B-class shooter from an A or master is typically being able to reliably collect points at partial or long shots at a good pace. However the current year gun/internet culture encourages dudes to just go faster.

@@the_bukkaking You glossed over everything I wrote (again) and argued against your own points instead of what I actually said. A "third tier" shooter doesn't have everything down perfect, as I have said multiple times now. They have the mindset of mastering fundamentals, and will use speed to learn where things break down, because speed is the single best tool to expose where fundamentals break down. This applies to both close and far targets equally. Once again, you should watch Ben's videos on doubles drills, they cover this extensively. You're hyper fixating on long distance shots as a pinnacle metric when its actually a pretty small part of the equation. Do people mag dump quickly for Instagram, and not get good hits at matches? Yeah, of course. But, once again, those people fundamentally don't fall into that last mindset "tier" of people who are working hard to improve their fundamentals. I don't know how many different ways I can reiterate this. The. Distance. Is. Irrelevant. What actually sets an A -GM shooter apart is their ability to get points with speed at ANY distance. Long shots are just a very small part of a good skillset, and its far easier learning to shoot at distance than, say, mastering stage planning or handling transitions. But you don't have to take my word for it. You can watch any of these GM's classes online, and see how much of it is dedicated to teaching how to get hits at distance. The answer is almost none, because people who seriously work on their fundamentals already have it down. Its a far easier task than you are making it out to be. The people who don't have it down are not in that "third tier" mindset. I'm A-class, I regularly squad with guys who are A / M, and none of what you are saying tracks. The guys who win at my clubs get Charlies and even Deltas at longer distances. I don't know where you classify, but based off your comments here I would feel comfortable guessing its not highly or consistently. Too much of what you say aligns with what older guys who get stuck in a rut say. I would encourage you to step outside your comfort zone and also go faster, because that is the number one way to diagnose where you need to improve, regardless if you are new or a GM.

Get a CZ P10, at least try one. They have great triggers and upgrades are under $100. They have a competition model like the 34

better tools make it easier to build skills, they dont replace it. you got better due to practice, the better equipment just makes it easier to get from point a to b.

You’ll understand when you get really good

You sound like Travis using all the science words. Selfie crew

Why would you only want to be good with one gun?

Depends on how you measure strength.

Sure ya did.

@@HWG-wm8ldwant proof? I got a picture. Or you could just run your mouth without backup and see how that treats you. I don’t get it when I see people acting like it’s hard to hit an A zone at 25 yards. I’ve shot plenty of deer at several hundred yards with rifles, same freaking principles. Just put the sights on it and pull the trigger. Sorry if your jealous or something bud, some people can some can’t

@AlphaMindset-zq5qv Yes, much like humans, Rabbits ears are on their heads. If I shot into your ear you’d die too. I’m assuming you’re so alpha that you only shoot targets not food. Ever seen a cottontail? They aren’t your fairytale rabbits with ears bigger than the rest of them. Just little nubbins on the side of the head.

@AlphaMindset-zq5qv as in Elmer Fudd? Yeah that was a comic book rabbit he was after. Not what they actually look like dude.

Stock 2

You’re not able to adapt?

“The grip angle was bad” have you considered learning how to shoot? It takes me about 30 seconds to switch between a glock and 1911s grip angle, it’s not difficult

I have a mach1 for that

Probably depends on how much you are losing on a stage to movement. Running to a position with a Staccato is about the same as running there with a Glock.

I agree and would say spend 80% of your time with your carry gun.

I think you might have misunderstood what was being said. This is not talking about being somewhat competent with a firearm, this is about getting consistently good. I can shoot decently with a glock, but I can achieve the same results easier with a Shadow 2. This means to get the same results with a glock i need to push harder. Does that mean that LEOs should carry Shadows? No. The police has some parameters they need in a firearm, that others might not need, and the opposite is also true. Going from revolvers to glocks is not a good example, going from, lets say 1911s to a glock, sig or something wold be more illustrating, as the revolver and the glock are vastly different systems. Bens point here, as I have understood it, is seeing what to train for with each different firearm, Shadows are heavier, lighter triggers, etc, making them easier to shoot fast and aggressive, while a Glock is light, has a (to me) markedly worse trigger, so more focus is needed on recoil control, grip, etc. He was not saying it is hard to shoot a glock, but its harder to achieve the same results with it as a gun that is more racing oriented. So yes, relatively speaking, compared to some guns, shooting a glock is harder, assuming the same skill level. So it comes down to training. If a glock shoter is on par with someone with a race gun, I would assume the glock shooter has better pistol skills than the other guy.

It’s like using optics, it makes it easier.

timney 1 alpha + johnny glock combat conversion kit

if you want very reliable, don't change the trigger

Is the glock "Performance Trigger" as reliable (and low maintenance) as the standard? I prefer "reliable".....I want to go to the range to practice, not to gunsmith.

I've used standard Glock triggers for years now and never felt aftermarket ones would be as low maintenance.....so I have stuck with the standard Glock OEM triggers. But if, in Ben's experience, he has found one that is better and just as reliable, I would be interested.

The Johnny Glock trigger is great and regardless what people say about reliability, it is a Glock trigger with oem parts and is as reliable and safe as stock. If you want a better trigger without modifying your gun, get a CZ P10.

Get the one you want, you’re still going to learn and then already have the pistol you want

Honestly, I would go glock and spend that extra money on ammo. I'm was in the same boat and decided on a g19 for my first. I've put about 1500 rounds through it since the beginning of this year and have noticed a huge improvement in trigger control, accuracy, and recoil control, and it's very satisfying to see myself get better. I plan on purchasing a lot more ammo and training even more. I can also carry it so I didn't need to buy another gun for that. Training is a LOT more fun than owning guns you don't shoot. Because of the learning curve with the glock, I wonder if I went with a shadow 2 or staccato I would have missed out on some of that experience.

Depends on what the gun is for. The CZ is great at everything except carry. If money is a concern, then yes, get a striker fired gun, some education and ammo to practice. Glocks are great, and I have used them since 97’, but there are better options these days. Look at the CZ P10, it’s got a great trigger(better than upgraded gen 3 Glocks), is less expensive than a blue label Glock and fits most Glock holsters.

Both. I have both

Buy the S2 if you think you want to ever get into comp shooting. It will save you down the road, and you can continue to improve on that platform while upgrading small portions at a time. Buy the glock if you just want to shoot at the range and have a defensive pistol.

I wonder what kind of hate that will draw. Maybe not much since not many are out there.

Well, add in gas pedals, compensators, custom fit, tuned parts, etc can certainly make a gun fancy, compared to a stock gun, some of them will even make it easier to hit the target, but at the end of the day, skill matters.

@@Steel_shooter so a shadow 2 is not fancy?im just asking if anything over a stock clock is fancy

@@aleks2194 Guess it depends on what you are comparing it to. My Shadow 2 is a good gun for sure, but I don't consider it especially fancy. To me it's just a good factory gun, but compared to a high point, sure it's fancy. Compared to a glock, no, i don't consider it especially fancy, just better suited for some uses. A production gun I consider fancy is the Laugo Alien, mostly due to the somewhat unique way it operates.

They perish when you stop practicing. You just have to work harder with striker guns

Depends what yiu want to do with it in all honestly for carry get a 45, it's basically a 19x but better. What do you want it for most.

The one that fits your hand the best

I'd go G45 for the sole reason that the g47 and g49 have had a little more issue than the 45. Most are good to go, but some 47s and 49s have issues cycling - something about that new slide

G45 is the boss Glock!

How is a G45 better than a 19x? It’s the same gun in a different color.

You're holding yourself back by not seriously trying a dot. It's not just magically more accurate but is a great tool for diagnosing what you're doing to your gun's aim as you're pulling the trigger. I would argue that irons can be more 'spray and pray' because you don't get that information. Don't forget, you still have to make hits, even with a dot. Nothing 'spray' about it.

@@MGMan37 don't get information? I think all the alpha hits speak for themselves.. But I also shoot pretty much all divisions of steel challenge, so I do shoot firearms with dots.

The future is now old man.

Haha sure 👍🏻

Nonsense. There's a good reason single & DA/SA triggers dominate. A smoother trigger or one with a shorter break means less work you have to do and less focus you have to put into it.

@@MGMan37 SMH. LMAO.