Banter on the Vortex XL

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Ай бұрын

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@MotoCampAdventure Ай бұрын

Time Crisis is the real Mantis.

@Gun_Dork Ай бұрын

I certainly spent more money on Time Crisis than Mantis.

@onpsxmember Ай бұрын

So that makes Virtua Cop to SCATT?

@OceansBane Ай бұрын

Don’t forget House of the Dead as well.

@low-caloriegaming5460 Ай бұрын

I couldn't pay attention with time crisis in the background

@wcw2793 Ай бұрын

Same.

@IBRAKEFORBEDROCK Ай бұрын

Back to the best time in most peoples lives

@troutslayer5518 Ай бұрын

Just had a flashback of spending hundreds of dollars in quarters on mortal Kombat 😂

@batmanlovesbassfishin6747 Ай бұрын

Ben, you're quite the decorator....love what you've done with the place.😂 I used to crush that Time Crisis game back in the day.

@thepracticalrifleman Ай бұрын

Nice arcade collection

@roancowart2591 Ай бұрын

Ben confirmed it. He stares at the sun.

@robolson7669 Ай бұрын

I like fact that it’s a lifetime warranty big window dot at 400.

@mitchellsands7617 Ай бұрын

Vortex MSRP is always a crap overestimate they use to make it seem like a gooder deal. Keep in mind they still have msrp on the gen 2 razor 1-6s for like $2500 but nobody sells them even near that.

@delaneywaltman Ай бұрын

I love my defender CCW on my CZ P10c with the plate that I got from your website. Plus, it fits the top on the P10c slide perfectly!

@den_see Ай бұрын

This is one of the things I like about Ben. He calls it out for what it is.

@HaveAblessedDay7777 Ай бұрын

As always love your videos and shop! Thanks for the input but I think I’ll be sticking with my 507 comp.

@coffeeandlifting Ай бұрын

"Refresh rate" (I think its actually a pulse-width modulation) bugged me about the Holosun green dots, which is weird because their red dots are perfect (no PWM on any brightness). I'm glad companies are fixing this, because PWM is a lazy and inferior way to give an LED different brightness settings. Its common with cheap flashlights too.

@ironmonkey1512 2 күн бұрын

When you are transitioning between targets you shouldn't be looking through the window.

@crypto1300 Ай бұрын

Aloha from Hawaii's 2A community 🤙🏾

@positivereactions4044 Ай бұрын

lol that’s a thing ?

@Dm00thegreat Ай бұрын

Who cares

@ThePoorBoy Ай бұрын

7:13 -- The Stegglinator.

@InkwellFoto Ай бұрын

I went with another 507comp because of the footprint. I've invested in the RMR footprint

@johnb7430 Ай бұрын

Interesting info on the venom life. I've killed around 10 of the older viper, but get decent life from the venom. They're good for 20k or so on my steel gun. Too bad the XL isn't footprint compatible

@NDcompetitiveshooter Ай бұрын

After conquering the world of shooting on earth, the great Ben Stoeger is now overpowering the sun 🌞

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

Dont turn this into a simp channel.

@Mrgunsngear Ай бұрын

🔴

@LVbibby Ай бұрын

I guess if you don't want RMR/SRO footprint guess this is worth a look, but at more cost than 507comp seems like a massive whiff. I regularly scoop up 507comps well below the 370 msrp guessing numerous others do as well. My noob-ness likes 5 moa or 6 moa reticles, but clearly Ben is a way better shooter than I so i will take that info on board and try some smaller options.

@Sakkyun Ай бұрын

Seems like a good option for native DPP footprint guns.

@swiftaudi Ай бұрын

That has to be the market their chasing. Dpp footprint doesn’t make sense.

@heisman01 Ай бұрын

@@swiftaudi chasing siggers

@jamespeters11603 Ай бұрын

The factory staccato cut lets you direct mount DPP. Honestly one of the better red dot patterns, screws aren’t as wide as RMR, so direct mounting on 19/2011s and CZs is much easier.

@brized Ай бұрын

If you install heavy curtains for all those windows, it will also cut the echo in the room.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

🏳️‍🌈

@SinistralRifleman Ай бұрын

Time Crisis and Terminator 2 Arcade = better than any dry fire routine

@LRS22LR Ай бұрын

I called vortex and they are doing a rolling update on the defender ccw. 10 minute auto shut off compared to 14 hours and a better refresh rate. They’re sending me an updated one and then I’ll send my current defender ccw with the provided shipping label.

@digitalgoonie 26 күн бұрын

Oh ok great! I just emailed them yesterday to find out if I could get mine replaced. I really like vortex products and even the defender ccw. But those two things getting fixed makes it the perfect dot for me

@LRS22LR 26 күн бұрын

@@digitalgoonie just got mine in the mail. From what I can tell, it’s fixed. No flashing. As far as the bottom third being cut off, I can’t tell. Maybe a bit is cut off from the bottom but I can’t tell when I’m looking down the sight since my rear iron sight is in the way anyway. My optic sits very low too, pistol is a Shadow Systems CR920P

@digitalgoonie 26 күн бұрын

@@LRS22LR I’ve read about the lower portion being cut off, but the one I have doesn’t cut out at the bottom at all. Hopefully when I get mine replaced, it isn’t like that.

@filippocorti6760 Ай бұрын

Doesn't Ben look like a surfer?

@markstiglich3291 Ай бұрын

As long as you are talking about dots, how much training time would you spend with the dot occluded? …..and thanks for all of the videos!

@2PumpChump Ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on the Justice 2 from swampfox? It seems a bit smaller than the 507 comp but it's also cheaper

@micfasto8700 Ай бұрын

You need a pinball machine

@stevenkennedy4130 Ай бұрын

I'd like to see Focus Trip review this optic. Thanks for the share!!

@newnum2 Ай бұрын

How does this guy remember to Live, Laugh, Love?

@jediknight1294 Ай бұрын

Live, laugh, dry fire.

@realmongolianhours6502 Ай бұрын

If I ever see ben at the range I’ll be like a Taylor swift fan girl 😂

@batmanlovesbassfishin6747 Ай бұрын

I like the Vortex line, just wish they'd do them in green.

@SoccerVJ2011 Ай бұрын

Is your Mantis still working ?

@chazc933 Ай бұрын

I come for Ben's thoughts, I stay for the camera angles/framing

@pauljcomp6621 Ай бұрын

108 in Phoenix today. F that.🥵

@pauljcomp6621 Ай бұрын

Send my wife.

@chap23305 Ай бұрын

Feels like Vortex is always a little late to the party, releasing products that already exist. According to Jedlinski, Vortex has been sitting on this thing for a while... why?

@felixdewinter3484 Ай бұрын

I don’t trust that samurai wannabe’s “insight” into firearms and accessory manufacturers business decisions just like I don’t trust his firearms instruction.

@chap23305 Ай бұрын

@felixdewinter3484 I don't either, but I am taking his word that Vortex has had designs other than the Venom and Viper for a while now. Just taken them forever to release them. I am asking why is that?

@felixdewinter3484 Ай бұрын

@@chap23305 I’m not

@mikevarnerzski Ай бұрын

Is that an Arcade 1up X-men in the back? How do you like it? Do a video on your coin-ops.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

We do t care about video games

@edharris5881 Ай бұрын

I'm surprised to hear that you prefer smaller dots. Ive been shooting a 6moa EPS but in actuality it looks more like 20 moa to my eyes (The dot completely covers the black part of a b8 bull, which is about 5 inches wide, at 25 yards). Anyway I've just been shooting it and not really thinking anything of it, but this got me thinking maybe I should try the 2moa holosuns for my next red dot. Given how the 6moa looks in actuality, the 2 moa should appear to be about 6moa on target. Have you had this experience also?

@NickNelsonReiners Ай бұрын

Honestly I have the 2 and the 6 MOA version of the EPS and can’t really tell the difference.

@edharris5881 Ай бұрын

@@NickNelsonReiners nice. Glad I'm not missing anything then. Love the eps

@jediknight1294 Ай бұрын

@@edharris5881 it's very much a have to try it thing, I prefer smaller dots.

@oddsparrow8522 Ай бұрын

If 400 is the price for both to e Holosun should be choice because of possible of differen dot views

@NDcompetitiveshooter Ай бұрын

I had my GLOCK MOS plate fail yesterday after 24,500 rounds. Both plate screws sheared off during recoil and the sight hit me in the forehead. Have you had any experience with these plate screws failing on your Glocks with high round count?

@carlosdaniels9515 Ай бұрын

I had that happen with my M&P 2.0 with the factory provided plastic optics plate. Bounced off my forehead and landed behind me while at the range. It happened right around 8,600rds.I got a custom made metal plate from @ImpactMachine. I'm well over 20K+rds now, and not a problem since. They also had their own custom metal plate for my MOS G35. I got it also just as a preventive measure.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

C&H precision Try their plates and hardware.

@NDcompetitiveshooter Ай бұрын

@@HWG-wm8ld I have a C&H plate on my Glock 47 back-up gun that I now have to take to a match this Saturday. The screws holding the plate to the MOS cut came loose (despite cleaning, Loctite, and proper torque) at 900 rounds and needed retorquing. I'm really reconsidering the MOS cut since it doesn't have sufficient tolerances and recoil support of the optic IMO. Some are having good success with green Loctite between the plate and the slide, but now I'm looking at getting non-MOS slides and having dedicated optics cuts like the one offered by C&H Precision. It looks the most stable. I also like that I will be able to check and torque screws if needed without removing the optic.

@wcw2793 Ай бұрын

Can we see Ben play Time Crisis?

@KTMGUY95 Ай бұрын

Bro! What's going on with the hair??😅

@user-ju1me4xb8x Ай бұрын

5moa is like 1.25 inches at 25 yards. I don’t think most people can even shoot a group that small. What is it you don’t like about the larger dots compared to the smaller ones?

@kenwickes2497 Ай бұрын

more chance of staring at dot. Bigger brighter thing in your vision. Like you said, covers the target more, people don't like that regardless of groupings.

@georgekromidas5097 Ай бұрын

Harder to target focus the larger the dot is

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

To each their own

@Fryheart Ай бұрын

In your opinion, how many rounds should a red dot endure before dying, to consider it decent?

@noah.s95 Ай бұрын

20,000++

@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Ай бұрын

I've never had a Vortex venom break, besides dropping it. Over 50,000 rounds on one of them.

@walterwilliams1791 Ай бұрын

I’ve had two venoms break. SROs still doing good.

@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Ай бұрын

@walterwilliams1791 How did they break? I own 4 but now I'm looking at Holosun and Trijicon for better durability if dropped.

@walterwilliams1791 Ай бұрын

@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Not totally sure. One of them was on a shotgun for a while before I put it on my pistol. I think I bumped the other one too many times while placing it in my safe.

@jimt2316 Ай бұрын

Vortex XL vs Holosun Comp. Higher price, crappy footprint, less dot choices. No reason to get that for a few extra watts.

@mickymcfarts5792 Ай бұрын

How about using it as an offset sight on a rifle with an lpvo?

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

That idea died 20 years ago.

@mickymcfarts5792 Ай бұрын

@@HWG-wm8ld shows you how much i know. Why did it die?

@gansior4744 Ай бұрын

Do you need a dot with a massive window as an offset? Or do you want a Open emitter. Overall I see lot of dumb setups with offset dots

@mickymcfarts5792 Ай бұрын

@@gansior4744 all good questions I have no answers for.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

I can’t speak for competition guys, but you will use your dot far more than a magnified optic. If fighting you want something that is fast to get on target. You will shoot from odd positions. Shooting past 50 yards is never going to happen as a civilian defending your home. I use eotech but recommend an aimpoint. If using a magnified optic, get something with an illuminated retical that can be used like a dot.

@_Art.Vandelay Ай бұрын

I just wish that more companies would make enclosed optics. Big windows are cool but I think enclosed is more practical.

@JakeCamo Ай бұрын

Possibility of seal breaking and fogging has happened to every single one of them. For a competition dot the advantages are so minimal… But I get the argument for duty.

@swiftaudi Ай бұрын

The 509t is still my favorite enclosed optic. If they can get that size in an optic with no magnification or distortion that would be great. The acro has so much going on around it, it feels like looking through a window.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

For you. If it was better, there would be more of them.

@gansior4744 Ай бұрын

Competition dots don't need to be closed. I don't think there is a single duty close emitter dot that didnt have problems. Sadly, even Holosun after some time

@airwaynelson Ай бұрын

Do you still keep in touch with Candice Juliano? she seems cool and candid, like you, which is why i watch

@yarghhargh9345 Ай бұрын

Legitimately think all the time i spent playing Time Crisis and Gun Bullet made me a faster shooter

@andrewminnich5106 Ай бұрын

Its hot in az in the summer..as someone whos lived here awhile..its not "climate change" its called..."summer"

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

The climate change is population change. It stays hotter longer due to all the concrete that absorbs the heat all day and releases it all night.

@Christopher-pe6zj Ай бұрын

AZ - left there a year ago... no thanks!

@robertbuchanan562 Ай бұрын

Better options at $400. Hard pass

@joshg4123 Ай бұрын

Are you doing the Vortex stuff as a review for them, or you just feel like reviewing a new item? Not being a dick, genuinely curious.

@GeorgiaShootersGroup Ай бұрын

Game spoiler. Of all the dumb things Vortex could have done, both of the new defenders use the Delta Point Pro footprint. So everyone with RMR patterns, plates are a NO GO. The small one uses RMS/Shield which was BRILLIANT. DPP is the worst legacy optic I've ever used. Vortex you crapped the bed on that decision. I will NOT be using one now. Match the price of the Holosun comp MSRP and provide an RMR footprint. I will always buy Vortex due to their unlimited warranty if the product is right. Trijicon warranty expires from the mfg date, not when you buy it. So although they are good people I've been denied warranty and sent MANY of the SRO's back for exchange.

@carlosdaniels9515 Ай бұрын

I had a trijicon rmr fail on my G35. Said it was an emitter contact that came loose. Warranty was expired. Looked around at a local gun store and discovered the Holosun 507CGR and 510CGR at that time. Before a month had passed I had purchased 10 different Holosun dots and a 3X magnifier. Had only 1 507CGR dot that started to flicker while shooting (8,600rds ish). Sent an email for warranty and got a new one in no time, no questions asked. Just got my hands on 2 507COMP greens upon their release. Damn near wish they would get into the LPVO side of things, just to shake things up

@GeorgiaShootersGroup Ай бұрын

@@carlosdaniels9515 the sad part is all these Chinese manufacturers stole all the technology from others and they’re undermining our economy.

@GeorgiaShootersGroup Ай бұрын

@@carlosdaniels9515 I hate the China thing but I don't see any advantage going with the Vortex based on the Holosun lifetime warranty and RMR footprint. Sad that USA products can't dominate and provide clear winners.

@DaveandDebe Ай бұрын

Why buy something that's not as good as the other options,, not to mention the crappy footprint,, I shoot with a 1, 2, or 2.5 moa dot. I think this thing is total crap and I wouldn't even consider it. 👍