Vortex Defender XL unboxing

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@Wolf_Avery Ай бұрын

Introduce it to the garage floor

@onpsxmember Ай бұрын

...after mounting it to something with weight. All those tests only dropping the tiny rds alone won't do.

@carlosdaniels9515 Ай бұрын

People may hate to admit it, but Holosun single handedly changed the red dot market. If they didn't exist we wouldn't be seeing any of these new offerings from these companies that have been insisting on staying the same. And despite new offerings from trijicon, the only green they offer is the MRO

@coffeeandlifting Ай бұрын

Holosun is crushing it. The 507COMP is great. I don't even have the desire to try a competitor. Looks like this Vortex has a taller deck height, plus it has that overhang like the SRO which will probably prohibit irons-forward setups which is my preferred. In order to completely corner the market, Holosun just needs to release a cheaper "407"COMP with the same housing but stripped of features that most people don't need like the multi-reticle. I would buy a bunch of them.

@Puddin127 Ай бұрын

True a they’re pushing the envelope

@chairmanbrando Ай бұрын

Is Holosun still the only one offering a direct-fit optic for the Glock MOS footprint? If so that kinda tells you how things are going in the optics market...

@Swissk31300BO Ай бұрын

I see no reason to get this vortex over Holosun/ or even now the new Gideon optics. Red dots are cheap. They break. If I break it I’ll buy another

@Rdctd6969 Ай бұрын

Trijicon is fucking trash.

@DFogify Ай бұрын

Vortex single handedly trying to prevent the DPP footprint from dying(No the EFLX does not count, it would have to not break after 50 rounds to count).

@dutch4260 Ай бұрын

God that is such a pathetic red dot. You'd think EoTech would have more than 2 braincells available to make a red dot.

@rory9537 Ай бұрын

They nailed everything but the footprint. DPP is the betamax of footprints.

@caseyf2453 Ай бұрын

If they were insistent on the DDP footprint, they should have at least put an adapter plate for an rmr cut instead of including a Glock MOS plate. I'm pretty sure the Glock already comes with a DPP plate in the box anyways so no idea why they would do that.

@rory9537 Ай бұрын

@@caseyf2453 agreed. Though I think Glock switched from including all the MOS plates to just one now. My last two MOS guns only came with an RMR plate, which, come to think of it, just proves how much the RMR footprint won.

@DaBigBR Ай бұрын

The DPP footprint has the advantage of being narrow enough for a 1911 slide. It also has identical screw spacing to the RMSc footprint, so if you're trying to pick a "default" for a slide, the DPP footprint allows an RMSc dot to attach with a slim fencing plate.

@GldenRetriever Ай бұрын

I'm all for the DPP. My scs320 and eps are both DPP (or adjacent), so having to have to have a rmr cut for my 507comp is lame.

@S1deshowRob Ай бұрын

Vortex loves weird ass footprints, they’ve been keeping the docter footprint on life support too

@HaveAblessedDay7777 Ай бұрын

Love your input and your Pro-shop! Keep it up brother!

@stephenfannin6482 Ай бұрын

excited to hear how this works out, keep us posted

@CitizenCarrier Ай бұрын

Cool. Can’t wait for a follow up video after you put it through it’s paces.

@tacoscheap Ай бұрын

My experience with vortex has been good. I ran one for a season. It came with a gun I bought for steel challenge. When I got into CO it went on my Canik. I wasn’t sure if I’d continue to shoot USPSA so I bought in at the low end of investment. (Ask me how to shoot CO with no glaring disadvantage for under 1K 😃) I beat the hell out of it. The glass eventually came loose…glue issue. I sent it in and had a new one in less than two weeks. It would have been better if it hadn’t broke, but it’s awesome to know they’re gonna stand by that warranty without any bullshit. I don’t know if I’ll buy this if it’s the same price as the 507. If it’s $100 less, in a few months or when vortex runs a good sale, I’ll give it a whirl. I feel like the warranty alone is worth giving them a chance. The footprint…it’s gotta go. These assholes (every company in the game) need to just standardize the holes on everything. Compatibility shouldn’t be an issue very much longer. Plates and footprints need to disappear for a singular connection.

@kylewalton7005 Ай бұрын

very interesting. i love my razor red dot because it weighs nothing but it is small. that thing has a nice size to it.

@GldenRetriever Ай бұрын

Glad to see more companies going to the DPP/RMS pattern. We have micro dots (EPSC), "survival" dots (scs320), and now competition dots (sorry the dpp optic is lame in year 2024). If the refresh rate isn't garbage and this turns out to be the first good vortex red dot, then I'm game. Would love to dump the rmr footprint and go full send into 1 cut (as rmsc can fit dpp cut with front bosses).

@RenoMay Ай бұрын

Posting after a review embargo lifts? I knew leviathan had something to do with it

@den_see Ай бұрын

Vortex has a good reputation. Glad they put this out. If anything that overhang concerns me, if that is an overhang.

@iamnotarealboy Ай бұрын

Vortex absolutely does not have a good reputation with red dots. Holosun has been beating Vortex in dots for like 6 years, by a lot.

@not_that_jon_guy Ай бұрын

Ive been running the Defender ST for close to 2 months now, haven't noticed a glare. the "nuclear" bright is absolutely true. is truly wild.

@ZacharyH-wi3ws Ай бұрын

Yep same, I like my ST a lot. Right now it's on my Echelon and makes for a good combo

@chrisdiceart Ай бұрын

Ah, looks like I had the name wrong! 😉 Sounds like just a bit more $$$ than the Holosun 507 Comp. Shipping with a Glock plate is a plus! Ben it will be interesting to see your take after you run it. For me, it's got to be BETTER to bump the 507 Comp. 😉

@DefaultDadAZ Ай бұрын

I was really hoping they would've kept the micro footprint because there's plenty of models with those direct mount slides that would be cool to have something more competitive for carry optics

@690sm Ай бұрын

I'd stick with Swampfox Justice II for now and see how much round count until I break it...besides it is an Rmr footprint compared to that deltapoint footprint.

@Oneproblemme101 Ай бұрын

I had the original for my 43x mos. I’ve had Holosun Trijicon eflex. The vortex was so bad the red dot would literally disappear if you shook it to fast. you could also adjust it to the point where it wouldn’t even show up in the glass. Vortex makes terrible red dots across the board

@tomsanders6267 Ай бұрын

Im set to buy a new Holosun for a P365. But I can wait for this review, Im always ready to try new products as long as they have been reviewed by someone like Stoeger who obviously wouldn't schill for a bad product. I respect Vortex rifle glass.

@lililililililili8667 Ай бұрын

Can't beat the eps carry for a 365

@tomsanders6267 Ай бұрын

@@lililililililili8667 Thanks, Im keeping my options open. Sadly most of my guns arent MOS. I didn't expect my eyes to start failing so quickly.

@LVbibby Ай бұрын

If the street price doesn't undercut the 507comp it's a miss for me especially with that footprint. Thanks for the info will be interested in your thoughts once you run it for a bit.

@TheDuppyman Ай бұрын

the gen 1 defender did have the best rep for durability. Hope they got it squared away now. Vortex warranty is the gold standard of the industry. Not an sro foot print, strike one.

@Rickmaki Ай бұрын

I'm a C-More fan.

@robertbuchanan562 Ай бұрын

Love my C-Mores talked to employee and the rst3 won't be out til August more than likely. Gonna change to 3 whenever it's released.

@Cordoba25 Ай бұрын

Curious to see how it does.

@BigScarab2 Ай бұрын

What is the window size like compared to the 507comp & SRO?

@roancowart2591 Ай бұрын

Engineering the internal layout might not have allowed for the RMR footprint. It sounds like it's DPP footprint from your video. Guess it's an option for those with DPP direct milled slides who want something other than a DPP or Sig offering.

@IrishZorg Ай бұрын

SRO footprint is the most annoying one because it is the widest screw location so you can't mill Shadow 2 for it, very tricky to mill Stock 2. So I guess it's a good thing they went with DPP.

@LVbibby Ай бұрын

Shadow 2 can be milled for an SRO, and the optic ready version has a plate for RMR/SRO/507comp.

@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Ай бұрын

Vortex is awesome. Holosun needs an easier customer service system, thats my only complaint with them. But im confident with all of my vortex stuff.

@TheBigjake240 Ай бұрын

Drop test on concrete incoming

@snowman03gt40 Ай бұрын

For 399 seems like a good option

@S1deshowRob Ай бұрын

Maybe vortex finally made a good red dot! Not holding my breath though. I’m rooting for them since I hear their customer service is outstanding

@rifleshooterchannel208 Ай бұрын

Vortex CS: _Because You’ll Need It_

@S1deshowRob Ай бұрын

@@rifleshooterchannel208 yeah they better have good CS lol

@blechmaier Ай бұрын

Is this the same as the Vortex Compdot?

@MilkBone3327 Ай бұрын

Looking for to the review! If you give it your seal of approval, I’m buying one.

@haydenhermanson3239 Ай бұрын

Feels like the DPP footprint was a business decision. There’s very little competition for direct fit 320 and Staccato competition optics.

@autonomousdefense Ай бұрын

Interesting

@joeflowers9084 Ай бұрын

Holosun 507 Comp is $319, and this is currently $399...but if Vortex can get it to $320, then I'd consider it for sure.

@PigPharmaceuticals Ай бұрын

The biggest issue with Vortex dots is the extremely noticeable flicker imo. That’s the thing they need to fix more so than anything else.

@SNW_36 Ай бұрын

Apparently that’s been remedied

@Mrgunsngear Ай бұрын

🔴

@dmggrrr Ай бұрын

It would have to be near free with that footprint to make any traction in the market.

@kevindoherty126 Ай бұрын

DPP footprint is kind of an L but a ton of people will love that this is basically a 507 Comp not made by holosun

@cameronh5442 Ай бұрын

$400 is too expensive imo. I think everyone is really just looking for a big window red dot with minimal features from a well known brand for like around $260. Make it 6 moa and you'll sell boat loads. Price it around the Holosun, and you won't sell many is my .02

@briang7826 Ай бұрын

Swampfox justice ii is 30mm window with pretty bright 6 moa dot. I picked one up this weekend for less than $200. I hear Swampfox has a decent warranty and i have an older kingslayer thats been on a shotgun for around 500 rounds of mostly buckshot thats holding up good so far. I think C&H has one for around 250

@cameronh5442 Ай бұрын

@@briang7826 I might have to check that one out

@evanf7334 Ай бұрын

Oh lord not the vortex defender😭

@nunziotocci1839 Ай бұрын

but does it have the flickering issue

@rolotomase1440 Ай бұрын

Still kinda expensive IMO at $400 on Amazon. Maybe they settle down after the drop.

@Practicgeardude Ай бұрын

I have an acro, can concur.

@zen-Tii Ай бұрын

😆

@raykettel1837 Ай бұрын

I'm cheap so I would wait for refurb from AA Optics.

@jonsevier6087 Ай бұрын

Did they fix the refresh rate of the emitter? The CCW sized Defender turns in to a bunch of dots under moderate movement....

@raykettel1837 Ай бұрын

The Defender name makes sense for CCW size optic but why use the Defender or an optic that is the same large size a competition optics? The CCW sized Defender has not received the best reviews. They need a hit pistol optic as the CCW sized Defender is not a hit and the Venom are Viper are old.

@Nick--_ Ай бұрын

I looked at the Defender-CCW a few months ago and was turned off because the refresh rate issue was very noticeable but I looked at one again two weeks ago and it didn't have that problem. I'm wondering if Vortex fixed it at one point just like they did with the 10h delay before turning off or whatever it was.

@dutch4260 Ай бұрын

I work at a gun store and had them on side by side. The new full size "ST" red dots do have emitters on par with Holosun so refresh rate is not an issue. The "CCW" is still bad though. It sits pathetically in my optic locker now.

@tuckerschmidt2484 Ай бұрын

The refresh rate was fixed shortly after launch with the sleep time. The XL and the ST started out with the correct emitters and refresh rates.

@jonsevier6087 Ай бұрын

@@tuckerschmidt2484 Thanks for that info. Penalty for being an early adopter I guess...

@lordhellfire153 Ай бұрын

Honestly i was hoping for something enclosed.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

Not necessary

@lordhellfire153 Ай бұрын

@HWG-wm8ld for competition, correct. For everything else, I prefer it enclosed to keep dirt and lint out

@elijahanderson6736 Ай бұрын

Biggest complaint i HEAR from vortex optics is the refresh rate

@chazc933 Ай бұрын

It's been fixed. It's now like a holosun emitter. Super clean

@SectionChief Ай бұрын

@@chazc933 I had a Vortex Optic for years after I finally used the right words with Vortex warranty and told them the refresh rate is interfering with my target transition shooting. They sent me a brand new model to replace that older model. Guess what?, refresh rate is just as bad on the new 2024 received optic. I'm comparing the dot clarity to my Holosun, Trijicon, and Aimpoints and there's an obvious difference and trail of dots when moving with the Vortex. And I like Vortex as a company.

@hopewilliams6705 Ай бұрын

If they don't offer this in the RMR footprint there sales will never be what they could be

@WaterZer0 Ай бұрын

RMS is definitely competing with RMR; and if Holosun's next line of sights uses RMS, RMR is done.

@hopewilliams6705 Ай бұрын

@@WaterZer0 no rmsc is relegated to smaller pistol footprint but in that yes I agree

@WaterZer0 Ай бұрын

@@hopewilliams6705 Holosun EPS is RMS and for full size guns. I'm debating getting my slide milled for RMS direct.

@cdsprech Ай бұрын

Why do they do that texturing on the front of the optic?

@keatonjorgensen8793 Ай бұрын

So you can be cool and rack your slide off the optic

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

I’ve been shot in my left arm 22 times, I need the texture. That’s being sarcastic.

@beardedred0032 Ай бұрын

Vortex might be falling behind now days. Between holosun and primary arms offerings across scopes and red dots, vortex is looking a little late and outdated. They still have the best customer service and warranty in the business with a few good offerings like their gen 2 razors and a few of the pst gen 2 items as well, but other than that, not much.

@hansblitz7770 Ай бұрын

If any other optics company released a dot with fisheye or blue tint for $500, that company would be laughed out of business, but since it is Trijicon, it's fine and your a dummy if you don't accept it, "cuz militurry"

@evanf7334 Ай бұрын

I see we have a shitty refresh rate red dot enjoyer over here lol

@hansblitz7770 Ай бұрын

I don't boog aloog with night vision and LARP as an operator in a Wendy's parking lot like you do champ. Puff a big cloud of vape smoke for me champ.

@HWG-wm8ld Ай бұрын

I’m a dummy with many Trijicon products, but I’m a dummy that knows the difference between your and you’re.

@evanf7334 Ай бұрын

@@hansblitz7770lol God forbid you ask a company to make a decent red dot huh. Oh but muh vortex defender got 10 million billion rounds through it and no issues. Stay mad bum vortex always has and always will make garbage red dots

@georgekromidas5097 Ай бұрын

The blue tint in Trijicon optics serves an actual function, and it’s unnoticeable in the SRO if that’s your style.

@AlexanderSotelo Ай бұрын

Non-starter till you report 40k+ rounds with it without it breaking.

@frontsquats Ай бұрын

No RMR footprint = auto pass on it

@armon8399 Ай бұрын

MSRP $600

@mackies9151 Ай бұрын

No RMR footprint.....epic fail.

@naplese30 Ай бұрын

Just bought the Romeo3 xl. Wish this had come out a bit sooner. Thanks to my experiences with Vortex customer service, I am pretty loyal…… although Sig optics cs has also been pretty darn good too, if I’m honest.