Wait what??This game is still not fully fixed?Its a shame man

@@thegamer6872 I played recently at a perfect 60fps at 4K, then again, I have a 4090 so..... I suppose I just brute forced it to a stable 60fps lol The stability, from what I understand, is WAY BETTER than at launch, I only bought it recently because of that and it was 50% off. It's worth playing now imo, but they need to fix their outdated engine for SURE (and give us higher fps options, etc.)

I still get the same studder that I did at launch. It's a joke.

@@tbidzzzz skill issue

​@@tbidzzzz Pretty sure it has something to do with their online infrastructure because playing offline or with mods that don't use FS's servers, the stutter is gone. They also introduced the stutter to Dark Souls 3 to a lesser extent when they fixed that game's hacker situation. Can only assume it's the game checking to see if you're online periodically.

@@user-os7ec4dm8x 😂 wow just because I said other rt effects have a bigger impact for the performance lol. I said I can tell the difference, holy crap and then out with the disses, what an asshole.

​​@@user-os7ec4dm8x the problem is: video games are not life. And shouldn't be meant to be-- aesthetical choices can be far more interesting or visually appealing than real life ones.

@@user-os7ec4dm8x games and real-life are two very different things; get outside more and you’ll find out!

Agreed. They need to be using this power for more physics based effects in most games

I'm partly with you, but, the fact that hasnt been a meaningful implementation of raytraced Shadows doesn't mean we wont see a game that makes great artístic use of them in the future.

Light bounce would completely transform this game to looking even more gorgeous. It’s a poor RT implementation

That would fulfil the broken promise of DS2. Dynamic light made that demo looked so gorgeous.

RT lighting would look amazing in this game. Especially in the dungeons and Farum Azula.

if you have the overhead you won't lose any frames since it's capped at 60.

@@warmbeer6282it’s quite insane how while this is true, it is just for the 1%, even after so much time… This game was (is) in dire need of a DLSS update..

​@@lopesmorrenofimit's absolutely insane a year on with the doc they never implemented dlss far more important than ray tracing especially how bad this game runs

FSR2 would've given us a better performance across the board - regardless of RT features to begin with. I really can't wrap my head around FromSoft's priorities here...

@@epoch151 Wouldn't go as far as to say it's not worth playing, but it definitely bothers me as well. Especially considering there's so many Unreal titles coming out and most of them have TAA as the only option, sometimes not even being optional lmao

according to my tests elden ring is much more limited by the cpu than by the gpu, I have seen areas of the game at 40 fps with the gpu at 60% so adding fsr / dlss would not contribute much

@@Willie6785 That part sucks developing in UE. TAA which I hate, is the only decent option. You had that, nothing, and FXAA. UE5 is working on their own DLSS/FSR thing to address this. But TAA still worked better as of 5.1.

@@epoch151 I see. Makes sense, and yeah I despise the blurry, grainy look so goddamn much.

I'm so puzzled why this wasn't implemented indoors. The outdoors is where the game looks best imo, the baked shadows do a good job. Not only that, but using it outside adds another struggle to the demanding open world, where the game usually runs worse.

@@bismarckluna It's because it's a game seemingly produced by an art team with nary a person who can modify the engine in sight..

@@bismarckluna They don't add indoors light shadows because of the performance. You can see the performance went to 30fps just for a Sun shadow and ambient occlusion

@@matiasbenitez As I said, the open world is the most demanding part of the game, and they don't see to care much to tank the performance even more there. I don't see how this RT would run worse in closed spaces like castles and caves. It's probably yet another quirk of their engine. It's sad that Dark Souls II had indoors dynamic shadows on the freaking PS3, yet Elden Ring can't have them on the highest end PC today.

@@bismarcklunadark souls 2 only had those in preview builds for demo purposes, and there is a reason why they removed in the final game. Real time shadows suck performance up, Dark Souls 2 couldn't actually run those shadows at all in an acceptable playing frame rate

FSR wont work nicely with the foliage, flickering will just increase even more. DLSS would be the perfect solution tho

@@PrefoX sure, but DLSS is not available to non-RTX cards. Which is why both DLSS and FSR2 are needed by games.

They should add DLSS/FSR and add RT illumination and better shadows (like from torches and graces).

It's from soft. You got more chance of finding rocking horse shit

@@Toripusutashi Yep. Mostly love their games, but no matter how much they've grown, they haven't put any attention into the technical performance of their game. As is said in the video, the fact that ray tracing was prioritised over the more critical technical elements is unbelievable when you think about how success the game was. Considering how much Armored Core 6 will rely on speed and scale to succeed, if the team hasn't figured out how to properly utilise DX12 yet, it's going to be a mess, as will most FromSoft games going forward.

Exactly! A lot of games should do this! 1440p is honestly the sweet spot

@@ALilCancer exactly, like why push a higher resolution when you’re frame rate is tanking?

The silver lining of my eyes getting older: 1440p is usually the point where I can’t see jaggies. So 4K is basically wasted on me (except for UI elements and text.)

@@TheCrewExpendable Jaggies have nothing to do with resolution. You can have 8k and have a screen full of shader crawl and pixel shimmer if there is no temporal component.

It's likely not that simple. It looks to me like the Ray tracing itself was the bottleneck in this case. Chances are, lowering the resolution would have had only a minimal effect on increasing framerates, otherwise I'm sure they'd have done it.

agree. the rtao on those foliage looks so nice. the shadows, i can do without. needs FSR/DLSS tho.

I know it's annoy as hell every game should have a tick box on an off for each feature Hogwarts legacy is a prime example the reflections are totally worth keeping, everything else can get in the sea and look way worse.

You mean, sharp, unrealistic shadows? ;-)

I agree wholeheartedly, this game's visual art style and loved how the game looked even if it's not the most realistic looking shadows or grass lol😂. The looked really nice while I was playing it and the visuals are so memorable

The stuttering was so bad for me that I had to drop the game for months. But of course if you say anything negative about Elden Ring they put you up on a pike. It's not like I hate the game, but my god the performance was abysmal

@@irecordwithaphone1856 , same here. I’m glad it’s fixed now.

It’s just insanity. This ray-tracing craze needs to stop; especially on games that don’t even run well without ray-tracing. Also, Elden Ring isn’t exactly a game people play for its visuals which makes it more jarring as what the purpose of adding ray-tracing is? Surely the developers also share this logical standpoint; at this point ray-tracing feels like some corporate buzzword where developers are being forced to implement it as a corporate box-ticking exercise.

Because it's a shitty engine with their shitty raytracing implementation tacked on.

​@@chrisstucker1813 nothing wrong with RT. The issue here is the game already isnt optimized to hit 60 fps and doesnt have a 30 fps cap option. Plenty of games have good uses of ray tracing on consoles. Look at insomniacs RT reflections (at 60 fps too)

@@dickdanson I absolutely agree. I just meant the craze for it needs to stop because it’s clear that ray-tracing is being forced into games where it just isn’t needed or very poorly implemented.

Looks terrible

They've won GOTY so don't really care anymore

@@trblemayker5157 nothing about goty, this was always their mentality since dark souls 1 terrible port, they never updated it. When you think about it, it makes sense, why pour assets money and time in something that is working when you can put it in a new franchise or the next game.

It is baffling they incorporated RT, but not other more important features...

@@Maxwell1725P such as the still locked 60fps or lack of ultrawide. unlocking 60fps could be done in 10 minutes at fromsoftware. modders were able to do it week 1 and it's not like they have access to the source code. why does fromsoftware refuse to move beyond the antiquated 2012 console era when it comes to how they treat their games? mad annoying

I'd like DLSS for the image quality benefits alone, it's miles better and more stable than native with TAA in every single game. But for performance reasons, you should be aware that ER's frame drops are almost entirely caused by the CPU. It's very CPU heavy, and the 60 FPS cap would limit any performance gains from upscaling even in non-CPU limited scenarios.

It baffles me how that was just implemented for one game and then never again. It looked amazing. Meanwhile they are implementing RT for shadows that are already there. Talk about weird priorities.

​@Dman I think I must be in the minority, because I really enjoyed dark souls 2 scholar of the first sin.

@Dman Gotcha. I was aware that people seem to have a lot negative to say about it, but as a person removed from the drama and going into it with no predisposition (other than it being a Souls game), none of those things colored my opinion. It was objectively a good game IMO. It scratched the itch as well as most Souls (and Souls-like) games. It's funny about the lighting being downgraded though, because it actually has better lighting in many ways than DS3. The dynamic shadows were also really nice in that game.

​​@@sammysokosammysoko I don't really get this recent trend to pretend Dark Souls 2 is a great game worthy of its name. Fromsoft is getting some sort of cult status where they can do no wrong, perfectly exemplified by the amount of people who forget ER was unplayable and unfinished at launch. But enfin, DS2. I preordered it and never finished it because it was just that bad. Even if you ignore the misleading pre-release statements and demo, I can just start up the game now and the terrible hitboxes are still there. Iframes is still a stat, soul memory still exists. I can still take elevators into the sky to fight Big Guy In Armour no. 57. Horse fuck valley still exists. Command & Conquer 4, Dead Space 3, WoW: Shadowlands, and Dark Souls 2 are all not bad games in their genres, but they're all such horribly subpar installments in their respective franchises that we like to pretend they don't exist. They're not worthy of their name. Apologies if I come across heated, but I just really hate this trend of Fromsoft games being praised into the heavens.

​@@sammysokosammysoko I liked DS2 a lot more than ER

never understood why people think RT is a gimmick, but if *this* is what they think RT is, then yeah, I'd think it were a gimmick too. go fire up CP2077 on a proper PC and look at the difference with RT/PT enabled and disabled and you'll understand why it is not a gimmick at all

I'm irritated they spent valuable dev hours on this nonsense I wish raytracing would die off already

@@Szanth ray tracing is actually a good thing. This implementation of it is not.

The problem is when the games not developed initially with raytracing in mind, when activating ray tracing it messes up the intended lighting the artist originally set up for the game which can make scenes look worse even tho they arguably are more realistic. Cutscenes usually feel it the most

​@@uncleurda8101 well raytracing came too soon if you ask me. The first gen of RTX cards could barely run it. It's being focused on and pushed too hard for such minimal gains, and often drastic fps losses.

@@CodingWithUnity Half Life RTX is a very handy counter example to what you're saying.

It sounds like you might be CPU bottlenecked. I have a 4070 ti (arguably same performance as a 3090) and at 1440p max rt I get 60 fps locked with gpu utilisation below 80%.

The performance difference between 800*600/low vs 1440p/Max is like 2-3 FPS with my I5 4690k/2060 Super. This game is cpu limited all the time.

100% cpu need to be changed

Old CPU+New GPU = CPU bottleneck....... why is this not common knowledge?

This is just nonsense. I have a 3080ti and not only do I play at 1440p, but it's then upscaled using DL scaling to 4K. All at a rock solid 60FPS. Your CPU is the bottleneck, quite obviously.

yeah sadly i dont think elden ring is going to ever optimize their game to 1080p

@@motorbreathjz pc

Frames all day all this r t is over rated for me never cared for it

I agree, I feel like pushes to visual fidelity should be a priority for movie-like games like Tell Me Why or Detroit: Become Human.

I think once you try HDR you can’t go back. 4k on the other hand? You could go back to 1440p or 1080p without much pain. Ray tracing (in Elden Ring atleast) is just a gimmick.

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And being one of the few to actually tell the truth. It takes ALOT to be brave enough to say something bad about Elden Ring

@@alumlovescake yes so brave. lol

@@alumlovescake brave? Lol they shill too

Except hogwarts legacy on PC, we all just gonna pretend alex didn't blank that.

I mean you just wouldn't Raytracing is rarely ever worth it with how it's implemented in games, Cyberpunk is one of the only game that are worth it, but even then it's only if you are okay with destroying your fps

@@BassBanj0 you played control?

It's just the trendy thing being pushed by the industry. Kind of like how 4k was a few years ago, even though to this day native 4k barely exists in AAA gaming. It'll die out in a year or two and they'll move on to the next thing.

Agreed IMHO so long as the game looks great FSP > RT IMHO.. I mean for anyone who has played Hogwarts Legacy this is a perfect example of how great the performance mode looks and for me it's a much better experience higher fps vs 30 and RT.

​​​​@@bobby_c07 no it won't. The consoles have shitty first gen RT hardware and are holding everything back as usual. AMD sucking is nothing new...but games starting dev now are going to be expecting better hardware from the mid cycle refresh.

In most cases, shadows aren't supposed to be very sharp, it's not physically accurate. Real lights are not points

@@user-ur8co1yn5l Sharp shadows aren't physically accurate, but neither is Elden Ring, and in games like Elden Ring sharp shadows always always look better than blurry ones.

@@user-ur8co1yn5l my point is, no one likes the blurry low detail ones before RT, no one found them more realistic.

I kinda agree but at the same time low shadows meant low resolution which result in artifacts/alaising. Ray traced does not.

Lol I was thinking the same. I always thought when they would say a console or PC had sharper shadows that it wasn't realistic. Shadow's aren't that sharp IRL. So now we are back to low rez shadows and it's superior?

You have low attention to detail span, you likely don't notice details around you in real life too....As for ray tracing in Elden Ring, the difference is vast for those who are aware of detail, of course, however , you are correct that the frame rate loss is also way to much, unfortunately.

​@@user-os7ec4dm8x lol, stop offending people 🤡

@@justfun5479 I don’t notice real life details because I can’t see negligible shadows in a video game 😂

Yes, the boss fight doges got harder with ray tracing. My controller felt a bit laggy.

Quality mode way to go its decent

Yeah based on this comparison the noticeable dip in fidelity, grainy backgrounds and artifacting on consoles are just too much for RT implementation you won't notice unless standing still and panning the camera around specifically looking for the differences. I tried RT on PC once when it launched and I didn't feel the dip in framerate was worth a negligible visual flourish.

For me, they both look different but I wouldn't say either were necessarily better. With RT off, there are certain shadows that look really blocky, especially when they're moving slowly. But I think the diffused shadows with RT on are a little too soft? But yeah this has been my RT experience in general so far, it's a massive performance penalty just to make games look a little different.

That’s because is literally a box being checked, they said at reveal that ray tracing was gonna be added in the future, well, this is the future. This is just a game balance patch with the RT promised as a plus.

Right, I like the sharper shadows better.

Yeah because it was not From Soft's job. 💀

@@fabrb26 Exactly. Up until they were acquired, and with the exception of their first title, Bluepoint's entire purpose was to pretty up old games. FromSoft have never shown any interest in optimising their technical capabilities, and they never will, because the games keep selling and they don't get called out enough for it to impact their sales figures.

@@osidiusemphatic3505 they dont need to they focus more on artstyle, story and gameplay unlike most of the game company who focus more on graphics

@@aganbraganca4156 Not in terms of visuals, but definitely on a technical level. The microstutters in Elden Ring are horrendous, and the fact Valve managed to remove them with an update to the Steam Deck suggests there's a very simple remedy that From just don't have the experience to recognise.

It is a major bummer. I think Dark Souls 3 runs fine on PS5 right? & Sekiro? That just leaves Bloodborne and Elden Ring as the poor performers on current consoles, but it is absurd how From Soft will just never address the FPS issues.

They can't and won't be. Performance issues is prevalent in their games starting from demon souls to now, elden ring and we know that fromsoft devs never cared abouf fixing performance, ever since demon souls. The only game that was well optimized was Dark Souls 2. The games after that, all ran like dog shit

definitely maybe we should criticize them more so that they get their shit together, its really disappointing

I've never experienced technical issues with these games; they are well polished I've always thought

I just.... I just want a 60fps update for Bloodborne.

I just was playing the game on a 4080 at maximum RT settings. And even at 1440p i got one area where it dipped to 49 fps. Now, while this happens the power usage of the 4080 goes as low as 150 Watts, which is absurd for a 300-320 Watt card. This makes me think the game may not even be using the RT cores of NVIDIA cards, but is just running off the other Compute units to generate the raytracing, and this may cause a serious bottleneck for the other graphical features being rendered. In fact, it is like they worked as hard as they could to get the game as worst optimized as possible lmao.

100% agree

We're talking about FromSoftware here. Asking them to implement a properly paced 30 fps cap is like asking a cat to bark.

You're just making things up lol

@@Owl90 you’re just betraying your ignorance here, this is literally what the RT does, it helps ground assets in the environment by creating more realistic, actuate and deeper shadows around and beneath them.

Ray tracing means "an actually physically accurate light simulation without a ton of hacks" Graphics devs everywhere are eagerly awaiting the death of rasterization outside of a few edge situations. It's much easier to conceptualize and work with and gets you much better results.

Considering a game like Horizon Forbidden West can run 60fps on PS5, it's more a case of this game should have been optimised much better. The only good way to play this game on PS5 is to play the PS4 version and brute force it to 60fps.

There is no stuttering or FPS drops in Elden Ring. Apart from a few cutscenes, I never had any with my old system (RTX 2080 Ti). With my now new system (4090) its still running flawless.

@@EldenLord. I should hope a 4090 can bruteforce Elden Ring, graphically it's not a very impressive game, it has a great artstyle though. Both the 4090 and 2080Ti are far beyond the 2070/2070S which is the closest equivalent of what's in next gen consoles.

It’s fascinating to me that making something vastly more realistic and accurate = “worse” simple because you’ve been conditioned to associate sharpness with superiority. Excuse the pun, but it seems like a needlessly low resolution take

Yeah I feel like we are getting gas lit. It used to be the more detailed the shadows were the higher quality and they got progressively less detailed and blurrier as you you cranked down the shadow quality. Now they trying to convince us the opposite is true.

@@RivaZA1 It is a bit more complicated than that. Softer shadows are more realistic, blurry low resolution shadows are not. But I think it's also a bit subjective if you like soft or sharp shadows more

​@@FigmentHF Oh no I didn't want to say it is worse, that is actually how shadows work IRL, if you like them sharp or difuminated is a preference thing. I was just making fun of how you can get the same visuals if you lower the shadows, without having your fps cut in half.

​@@AlexRedknot but you don't get the same visuals? Why say blatantly untrue things?

Poor dev: "Should we fix the performance problems?" Designated villain (Miyazaki?): "Nuh uhh, raytracing first"

​@@bikechan9903 😂

It is knowledge they can hopefully bring forward into new games, however. As a programmer (though not in games), it is nice to have a reason to learn new APIs and techniques. Hopefully it was enjoyable for From’s graphics programmers as well. Plus since having at least some baseline level of RT is becoming more and more expected by gamers, hopefully it provides a good business reason for the bean counters in the business department to give the graphics programmers time and money to learn these new techniques 😁 I hope they didn’t have to crunch!

I mean ? they've just announced a new dlc coming. I sure hope they'll keep updating the game 😅

It seems to me that this is mostly a technical proof-of-concept for ray tracing on the engine that will be used for future projects

Hahaha so smooth shadows = bad shadows? Okay go outside and show me those crisp sun shadows, like they are in elden ring without RT and shadows = high

​@@speedtree Where did you see the word "bad"? Just "same."

For some games, sure, but these takes just feel like basic, confused intuitions around “sharpness and resolution” in video games. You’ve been conditioned to appreciate sharpness in sacrifice of accuracy. Rather than demanding devs stop making things look more realistic, why not try to adapt and have a more sophisticated understanding of scene composition and how light actually effects environments.

Devs have their hands tied because the console AMD RT hardware blows compared to what's available on the PC now.

@@sighssssss The draw distance thing is a hardware limitation, the shadow diffusion isn't. Just try experimenting with a lamp in your room and see what the shadows do as they stretch out into the distance.

DLSS won't help with stuttering, it's just how the game runs sadly.

@@epoch151 That's what I thought too, but I did some testing and saw that my cpu isn't getting used much and also isn't heating up enough for it to be problematic. Gpu on the other hand is getting used up all the way whenever I have a spike or low fps (lower than 60) in general so I don't know what to make of it lol

Im also on a 21:9 (3440x1440) display, the flawless widescreen app saves the day.

Japs are ignorant to PC gaming, their ports in general are lousy and equally lazy,, and as for their support, well equally abysmal...what's new.

@@themadnes5413 Second, Flawless Widescreen is an absolute must in this game.

@@Volker_A4 not worth it since no online with mods

I'm sure there is some bullshit PvP reason for not enabling it for everyone.

Must really suck to be a developer working hard on this and have it end up being so pointless

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@@exiledrabbit Not really - developers were paid ;-)

ray tracing has been around for decades, they're only attempting to use a chip to do it in real time, it's not going to have any large breakthrough.

I know right? For me it also looks like LOW quality Shadows with RT On on the right images like the tower wall, while the left image without RT looks like HIGH quality Shadows.

The shadows with RT on are more realistic, but that doesn't necessarily mean they look better.

No, they are saying shadows are supposed to depend on distance, and be softer for distant objects but hard for near objects. They said sharper is better in the context of shadow resolution (as in not blocky and pixelated), not how diffuse it is.

@@motokid6008 I dunno man, shadows in real life are pretty much defined and clear edges. Literally just looking outside now at trees, leaves and other objects. The RT shadows here looks more like Low quality normal shadows of the past. The effect doesn't work

@@SlayerSeraph They're only defined and clear the closer the object is to the ground. Real life shadows as the obstruction gets further away get more soft and diffused because of the way light bounces. ( which is what RT simulates ) Funny enough its the same reason theres an umbra/penumbra in solar eclipses.

It's horrible on ps5

It still runs terrible on PC, barely better than console, it's not worth it for this title, unfortunately.

If you're on PC why not use ReShade and use an ambient occlusion shader? I mean you can add so many visual effects, sky is the limit really.

Yes but on console control runs at a very choppy 30 fps.

And Shadow of The Tomb Raider, this game can't even do shadow casting of light sources that games did a over decade a go

​@@TheBean87 60 if you have ultimate edition.

@@bobby_c07 not with raytracing which is what I was referring to

Check out Darktide it blows them all out of the water. A 4080 can hold 90+ fps at 4k with DLSS quality with all RT settings maxed. The 40xx series is just that big of a leap.

Yes, I also thought about this. Too sad that Tom didn’t test PC with 1080p. Then we would see whether the console CPUs could handle RT at 60 fps or not.

I don't see why not

Even DF guys can’t explain why better hardware (mainly PC but Series X too) is suffering from bad ports and lack of features left and right. But coincidentally PS5 is having all this “wins” all the time. Sounds and looks like a paid marketing push… very questionable. But of course I could be wrong and it’s just laziness or lack of professionalism, and I don’t know what’s worse. Pick your poison.

@@spacedovahkiin1364 I think they once explained that the PS5 has some API advantages over Xbox and PC (of similar graphics card and CPU power, e.g Ryzen 3600X and 2070 Super or RX 5700) that makes it more efficient but that goes away the more load on the GPU, say higher resolutions and graphics settings. Take this comment with a grain of salt as I don't remember the details. On the other hand, I think you are right and there are always solutions in order to improve performance and they are trying to just go for good enough in order to sell on PC and move on.

@@raudelravelo1169 oh yeah, no doubt Playstation was able to make their API the main build across the board. And that’s not bad, but the aftermath we are seeing is highly questionable. This paired with Playstation pushing extremely hard with the “parity” worries on COD makes you wonder.

DLSS doesn't work like that. It's not something a modder can implement so I wouldn't hold your breath on that one

@@e2rqey actually, DLSS is something a modder CAN implement. For example there's a fully functioning mod which adds DLSS to Resident Evil 4 remake, and it works well.

@@e2rqey It can be implemented, but it isn't easy. Skyrim has FSR and DLSS implemented via mods, but it is not something that you just throw inside some machine and magically it has that feature installed. But Elden Ring should have implemented FSR and DLSS way before thinking about RT. It is not a very optimized game for PC anyway.

@@VittorioBaldini1997 they could do that because it had fsr2 support, which means it had motion vectors and all the right data available that dlss needs. There’s no guarantee Elden Ring has that. If it doesn’t the best you could do would be fsr1.

They consistently deliver some of the most well optimized games I’ve ever played.

@@lostandfoundmusic9869 DS1 ptde on pc was a disaster

Rayvtracing is quality. In my eyes, it makes the games more valuable.

then why do some games offer close ssao and far ssao it must have a draw distance

Played on Series X, and I couldn't agree more. Great experience on performance mode. Losing 30 fps or more just for a few RT effects you won't even notice is really not worth it.

Exactly this gen is still not good enough for ray tracing at constant 60fps on large open worlds so there's no point even trying, maybe next gen...

Only way to get that is to play PS4 version on PS5 unfortunately.

@@r0bt93 I think he meant higher than 60fps framerate cap. I played it recently on PC and loved it, but its lack of PC options is laughable.

@goggles789 A AAA PC game in 2022, with last gen graphics (but with BEAUTIFUL art direction tbf), BUT has a 60fps frame cap, has had frame pacing issues from the start (and has no DLSS or FSR to help on top of that), but no frame limiter below 60fps, not impressive draw distance for grass and vegetation (barely utilizes a 4090), and then a year plus out from release... instead of dealing with these things, they release an underwhelming ray tracing (ambient occlusion with sun light only, so NOTHING in indoor spaces with no sunlight) that trashes frame-pacing even more (even ON a 4090)?! Sorry bruh, they have their technically priorities wrong IMO. I say, we should boldly criticize *especially* the things we love. Its still a great game DESPITE these flaws, but they are flaws indeed (especially in 2023, see Alex's "manifesto" for PC gaming options)

​@goggles789 So firstly, seems like your giving up the "it has enough PC features" argument then? It doesn't have ultrawide or VRR (two things I forgot to mention), these things along with all the other things I mentioned are basic expectations at this point for PC gamers. I agree that Its wrong to me to assume everyone is having frame pacing issues, but I assure you that I didn't mean everyone! I had no issues with that myself (although I'm on a 4090, so I wouldn't assume the same for everyone). What resolution are you at btw? Also, one also shouldn't assume most people *don't* have issues with frame pacing (not saying you are btw). I personally had none, but I have heard countless complaints from others about it (its definitely improved since launch), enough to where there's clearly still some issues with the engine. Even DF direct said that ray tracing ambient occlusion (again, for the sun ONLY) was kind of a waste of engineering time. They said that the game is still not performant and that it could have been better spent addressing the other more fundamental features and issues. I'm glad you're having a good time and are satisfied with the options, I am! But for me (and many PC gamers) we are NOT exaggerating (as you said before) when we say that the PC version is lacking very basic features. You said don't assume before, well I tell you the same: Don't assume that every PC gamer is satisfied with not having VRR, wide screen, high than 60fps, DLSS/FSR, and other less important basic raster features. These are features that many of us expect in 2023 AAA games (especially a year out from release). The game is STILL great (not saying its not) but FromSoft is notoriously lacking (for many of us) basic PC options. Their games are still dope tho. And above all, wish you happy gaming even if you disagree with me!👍🏿

@goggles789 "I know I don't need to argue with someone about this when the game can stand on its own success", Exactly, which is why it's so strange you feel the need to defend a video game from another gamer's take. I'm not trying to invalidate your experience, so why not do the same for me? The game is a massive success, but its not perfect, but I've noticed that criticism of it is not met well by some fans. The corporation doesn't need defending lol.

Yeah, they match the art design a lot better imo-- the intricate details of the armor and enemies. The ray tracing shadows just kind of mute things for the sake of realism.

That’s really interesting, it’s very unrealistic and unnatural, but I imagine certain people are simply conflating “high res and sharp” with “always better”

Actualy making them less sharp all the way would be less disturbing than the out of sync shadows.

@@FigmentHF At the end of the day your playing a game, all the extra stuff just becomes unnecessary especially when the difference is so minimal it won't affect immersion.