Hang in there. We love you!

I'm praying for you, keep going, you are doing great. Elder Hollands words always help me.

I endorse what you say. It is precisely that some take his words this way, because they dont see him as a prophet of God and one of his 12 apostles. That is the difference x

Absolutely. People often hear what they are looking for instead of what is being said. I think it’s only going to get worse with the expedited speed that the adversary is encouraging wickedness.

I agree completely. What is wrong with people that think there are bad things happening under the Prophets watch? I will be as obedient to the word of our beloved leaders as I can. Do not try to steady the ark!

The Gods of the Copybook Heading - Rudyard Kipling As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race, I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market-Place. Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall. And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all. We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn. That water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn: But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision, and Breadth of Mind, So we left them to teach the Gorilas while we followed the March of Mankind. We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace, Being neither clud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market-Place; But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome. With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch. They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch. They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings. So we worshiped the Gods of the Market Who promiced these beautiful things. When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promiced perpetual peace. They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: 'Stick to the Devil you know.' On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promiced the Fuller Life (Which started by loving our neighbor and ended by loving his wife) Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: 'The Wages of Sin is Death/' In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all, By robbing selective Peter to pay for collective Paul; But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: 'If you don't work you die.' The the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tounged wizards withdrew, And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to belive it was true That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four--- And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man--- There are only four things certain since Social Progress began:--- That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her mire, And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire; And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins, As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn, The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Jesus’ suffering (if he existed) was nothing compared to the suffering experienced by millions of innocent LGBTQ people over the last 2,000 years at the hands of his “followers”.

@Tyler G Below is the extent of what he said about the valedictory message. I did not feel this was an "attack" on the student or the message (which I agree was uplifting and faith-promoting). My take on Elder Holland's statement, addressed to the faculty, was that he was concerned that about allowing individualism to prevail at a ceremony meant to represent the entire student body. The student's message was pre-approved by a high-ranking faculty member. Elder Holland's words: If a student commandeers a graduation podium intended to represent everyone getting diplomas that day in order to announce his personal sexual orientation, what might another speaker feel free to announce the next year, until eventually anything goes? What might commencement come to mean-or not mean-if we push individual license over institutional dignity for very long? Do we simply end up with more divisiveness in our culture than we already have? And we already have far too much everywhere.

@Tyler G ears that can't hear, eyes that can't see...evident in your response

@Tyler G beware of pride, Tyler; it’s the adversary’s best tool. Even our Savior submitted His will to His Father’s.

Beautifully said! Thank you!!! ❤

​@@johnw4619 well said thank you! Besides...the last thing I want to hear about when I go to a graduation, or any other public situation is someone's sexual orientation! Talk about awkward! I have friends and family who are gay or have children who are gay and I could not care less about it. I just want them to be content. It's none of my business and neither is it anyone elses! Sex is not a topic in polite conversation. It shouldn't be brought up in a public forum. When did that change?

Thank you for tuning in and for your comment!

@@churchnewsroom It's really sad that you censored all comments that were critical of this speech. But not surprising.

@@tylerg3605Tyler, brother of Liberal lash, secularist fist: please consider that no KZfaq channel host is under obligation to let their Comments space be used for someone’s propaganda. The Church will watch over their platform to guard it from wordwaste that will taint the Saints. That’s why KZfaq has controls for hosts. There are Liberal sites and YT channels that will roll with you. You know who they are. Go to them to spit phlegm. Rabid dog with stark bark, foul growl, flared nostril: why not rescind send, repent of what was sent! Be blessed, have peace.

@@tylerg3605 since your comment is still here, pretty sure they didn't.

You need to get far far away from the church while you still can

This made me cry. I really hope one day you can love and accept yourself for who you are. You don’t need to feel shame. You are wonderful and accepted by so many. Being yourself, being free….chase that. Please.

You’re awesome, and thank you for sharing.

Thanks so much for your honest comment! You are so amazing for staying strong and continuing with what you know is right! I hope that you can find peace and comfort through all of your struggles :)

Though it does cause struggle, I don’t think that being bi-sexual typically exposes you to the things that types of struggles that a gay man or woman deals with in the church. You have choices that can lead to a much more fulfilled life than the church tries to offer to someone who is never supposed to marry or have children.

It's just a little hurtful that he moved into the topic with symbolic violence instead of love. I can see where people misinterpret. He should have told the faculty and students HOW to support gay students; how to help them feel loved instead of alone.

What would happen if the Taliban made a similar analogy about America?

@@nebulan people are not misinterpreting. They are seeing his words exactly as he states them

@@Glen.Danielsen I didn't make an analogy. Holland did and I asked, what if Taliban made the same analogy in defending itself from America. How would you feel?

@@Glen.Danielsen the church is the victim, claiming the need to defend itself.

Thanks for sharing this brother.

Yours is the " Alphabet Cross" to carry. I hope you understand the tremendous efforts by this man to find the way to best help you find your own way back to the Lord. It does not matter if you are not in the streets rioting, you have chosen to be part of that movement that goes against everything the Plan of salvation and the Lords gospel stands for, hence the pain of Elder Holland and his still confirmation: " Christ never once withheld His love from anyone, but He also never said to anyone, because I love you, you are exempt to keep my commandments". I truly hope you take advantage of the power of repentance without delay. All the love in the church cannot replace your part(repentance). There is not such a thing as a "gay member of the Lord's church" ... don't fall for that lie... in the end, you know you will have to choose to be either "gay" or a " member of the Lord's church" ... I sincerely pray for you to join us at the saints side for eternity... you have already done this in our pre-existance ... you have already once walk the tough road following Christ... turn around and come back fully...we are waiting for you with confidence and hope.

@@herlysarmiento9863 homophobia at its finest

I’m really sorry that you can’t live your truth because this church brainwashed you.

@@thundersmacksss3712 "your truth" is the greatest embodiment of moral relativism. In case you didn't know, moral relativism is absolutely a teaching of Satan. And that's true whether you're LDS or Catholic or Protestant. "your truth" is treating yourself like a God and ignoring the God who created you. I stepped away from the church for a while and had multiple boyfriends. I chose to come back and repent. So I would hardly say I'm brainwashed. But hey, enjoy your Satan worship. May God have mercy on you.

Thanks for sharing!

He may well be studying with my dad, who felt, in the months before his impending death from complications associated with ALS, that his next assignment would be something like that of a mission president. My dad’s professional training as a taxonomic (or, as he called it, evolutionary) botanist never got in his way of turning to the Lord for direction and guidance, especially around his family. And as a scientist, he was specially equipped to consider “alternative hypotheses,” explanations he had not considered before. What we ourselves do not struggle with, we cannot honestly say we understand. How then can we criticize, much less condemn, anyone who does struggle with it? Some things we cannot condone, but we are not equipped to stand as judges over ANY infinite-and infinitely complex-eternal soul. We are commanded to love one another. And that is not to help God. It is to help us.

There is absolutely nothing complex about this matter.

@@dherman0001 there is nothing complex about what is right and what is wrong . But trying to figure out the reasons, which some are simply ..... well, not hard to figure out, and some are, and I'm only referring to homosexuality, a term that people have seemed to have forgotten. The trouble started when leaders start to use the politically correct terms, I think that was the first ,but I understand why,they are being compassionate, trying to show love for all Gods children. But I think you should simply stick to what it is ,and nothing as far as policy has changed, but when people start standing up and announcing they are........whatever ,that is a label they put on themselves, don't, keep it simple and there will be no misunderstanding. That is not complex.

@@dherman0001 also, President Oakes said ,if we are not careful ,this church will politically correct itself out of existence! That to is not complex.

What a sacred experience. Thank you for sharing! 🙏🏻❤️

One of the most common tactics of abusers is to tell the person they're abusing that they don't have anywhere to go, that no one else will take them in. This is false and manipulative, and there are strong, loving communities and support groups ready to take people in when they leave the church.

@@homefrykl So now you will even call the holy scriptures abusive. The truth is hard to hear for those who reject the teachings of the Lord. The cry of repentance that Jesus told His disciples to raise is called abuse. No one is using force. You can follow your own conscience. Any good member will support you in defining your own life. But radicalized members have no right to try and force the church to conform to their views.

@@joybischoff9558 I'm not calling the scriptures abusive. I'm calling people that use that argument to keep people from leaving the church abusive.

@@joybischoff9558 Also, did you see my response on that other comment in regards to Brigham Young?

@@homefrykl The point is to do the best we can to stay close to the Savior who pleads for us to come to Him and receive eternal life. He (and those who follow Him) will "take us in" for “He inviteth them ALL to come unto him and partake of his partake of his goodness; and he denieth NONE that come unto Him, black and white, bond and free,. . . all are alike unto God." 2 Ne 26:33 Will we let Him gather us into His loving arms and heal us or will we go somewhere else?

I don’t remember Christ talking about gay people.

@@jeffs.3348 not sure what point your trying to make but the term anyone means just that anyone

The point he's making is that Jesus never taught that being gay is wrong

@@homefrykl definitely not the point he’s making haha

The scriptures are clear about sexual relationships out side of the marriage of a man and women. Dont know what your point is but just because your gay doesn't mean your breaking God's law and doesn't mean your not loved by Christ. The scriptures are clear what is a sin and what isn't.

Deuteronomy 6:4 King James Version 4 Hear, O Israel: *The Lord our God is **_ONE_** Lord:* Isaiah 44:6 King James Version 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; *I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.* ONE God.

Yeah, all of us do not like to be called out for doing things we shouldn't be doing. As a Liberal Arts student at BYU, I can see that this talk hit a very real issue at BYU on the head. I am upset at the more Socially Liberal attitudes (such as on the LGBT issue) I have perceived in BYU's Liberal Arts. It makes sense to me that those called to repentance by this talk would take issue with it.

Whats wrong with a Lord who wants us to pick marigolds? If we were as a people more concerned with the picking of marigolds than condemning a boy and his graduation speech, I believe we'd have a healthier and kinder people.

Woah. Yeah. I guess it is a place for the people that don't fit in to modern society! Due to bigotry and the love of rules as far as I can tell.

Why do we need it at all? It’s been a pretty harmful school for many people.

We don't need it.

@@EricJonesadventure You got that right! The church loves to make their rules when there is something the members are uncomfortable with. Look what they did to the blacks and the excuses they used in why they could not hold the priesthood. I guess they did not take into consideration that Joseph Smith approved of Elija Able being ordained to the priesthood. The church does a lot of flip flopping for sure!

Yes we don't need a school that promotes gunfire on homosexuality in modern day America

Your faithfulness made the world of difference to my daughter who attended several of your psychology classes. Your class/teachings gave her increased strength to stand for truth. Thank you Dr. Gantt!

Thank you for your devotion.

@@James-rf8ee You mean the 5 sentences?

You are right. Elder Holland is guilty of nothing except teaching the truth and obeying God…..The same thing they crucified Jesus for.

I too have heard from friends that stated that they just wanted to graduate as quickly as they could to get out for frustrations of the pressures BYU professors were putting on those that did not side with change and the ideas of the world. It made me sad to hear as I feel all of our Heavenly Father's children should be able to study and grow in knowledge and learning without distractions or fearing that their grades will suffer academically because they don't share the same views as the professor or the world.

I'm glad you were able to take the bend of your eyes. It is only our Savior Jesus Christ who helps His children to walk the road in this life.

. . . peace

ok?? and should those that don’t find that comfort in the church and the gospel stay? if they feel alienated and alone do they just have to push through it until they die? not having the same joy and peace in the church as their counterparts? i used to have so much comfort in the church until i found out things about it and the people involved and now i’m so much happier believing what i know now is right. all the comfort i could ever need i have with my family and my pride in how far i’ve come.

@@sammyj2424 Glad you have found the right peace for you, brother Sam. Maybe the Church is not for you. Still, maybe keep an open mind. Never say never, valued brother. When you can, talk to God. 💛🙏🏼

Respect!

Thanks for listening!

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Thank you. Please fight for the bridge.

@@dherman0001 you are exactly part of the reason why LGBTQIA+ kids, youth, and adult members are taking their lives. Do better. Be better.

@@harryhenderson2479 They are choosing to take their lives because the Godless leftist false promises of the rewards of indulging in sin only leads to more sin and compounding guilt. And you are selling that sin as a cure for Christ, encouraging the guilt, bringing on the despair.

@@harryhenderson2479 You're a parrot repeating Godless leftist dribble. Do better, be better!

@@dherman0001 go watch Matt Easton’s story on YT. I promise you it’s not “leftist” influence.

Yes!!!

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They worked with a trowel in one hand and revolver in another since their lives were in peril. In the eye of persecution they stayed true to their principles and completed their tasks.

It could also be that it took time for Brigham to consolidate power and discredit Emma Smith before finding new territory to settle.

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Thank you elder dodo we sustain you as the last crying dodo who denies science and professors their retirement for not denying science and showing cristlike love for students. Good job Davey you should be ashamed of yourself.

@@44dton screw off mate

@@purpleboye_ and THIS is Christlike talk. Didn't you learn, if you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all?

@@Iamaldswoman I was replying to Denton and so should you

@@purpleboye_ maybe you were. Telling him to do that, IS what I was talking about. If you can't something nice, don't say anything!

In the name of jesus christ amen

YES YES YES…i love your response!!

@Tyler G grow up

@@arscheerio that’s not very Christlike of you

I couldn't agree more! May we view this as a counsel and admonition from a loving apostle of God.

Are you saying he speaks for God? Because numerous prophets and apostles have told untrue stories or taught false things from the pulpit, including Elder Holland. I think George Orwell was speaking more towards people like Holland who speak hatefully and literally use violent Musket firing imagery to describe defending archaic ideals.

There is no evidence that God has ever spoken. Do you hate me for saying that?

@@IAmPeterCole he does because he is a prophet, seer, and revelator. That’s literally part of being an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

@@rachelczumaya2806 what are Elder Holland's prophesies?

Obviously he speaking for God, you have to have ears to hear.

Indeed, as well as everyone who lists to obey him; liberals/progressives/leftists/LBGT/Gay/etc..

Another person who has never read the bible. He literally wearing an out fit from 2 different cloths. Stop reading the Book of Mormon and read the bible and see how Jesus really behaved.

Agreed brother. No matter what anyone else says we will sustain the brethren of the church

Jeffrey R. Holland may become president of the church in the future.

Exactly

Exactly my thoughts.

I don’t get it either. The Spirit accompanied his speech I thought.

It’s those without the spirit and who want to create contention are the ones who can’t feel the love and spirit of his talk. It’s no surprise.

You cannot say love someone while actively harming them.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. As alumni I’ve been shocked by the direction BYU has gone.

@@markpatterson4881 I have, too. I graduated 6 years ago and it's quite different even now. I sometimes feel so ashamed that I would like to remove my name completely from the alumni lists.

@@James-rf8ee R U Serious?!? When?? How was this legal?!

@@Naturefan354 James doesn’t respond. He just copy pastes the same paragraph on every and any feed that he can. He lies by omitting other details about what is ultimately electro shock therapy that was very popular in the era he refers to. Many colleges and other psychological entities used electro shock therapy to try and change certain behaviors. One of those behaviors that a faculty member along with a student at BYU tested was trying to shock gayness out of gays by attaching electrodes to gay man balls and shocking them if they became aroused by gay porn or the like. It was not unique to BYU as James implies, and that’s why he is a liar.

Sounds like he has a persecution complex.

I stand with you bother Taylor.

I’m with you 100 %

You would die for homophobia, purity, and shame culture that causes thousands to hate themselves so much they commit suicide and millions more proven irreparable damage. I wonder if you ever think about kids like my nephew who wound up blowing his brains out in a church parking lot because he was gay and could never have a place in the celestial kingdom. Probably not.

I wonder if you would feel that same love and kindness from this talk if you were gay. Or maybe if you were Matt Easton. After two years of that incident evidently festering, Holland finally got it off his chest. Didn't feel so loving to me. Watch what they do, not what they say, or even the tearful, heartfelt way they say it. Love is an action, not "heartfelt" emotion. Maybe the leaders could do something more about suicide among LDS gay teens since it's the church policies that have caused so much despair (although, admittedly, it is better than it was a couple decades ago). I can tell you for sure that the church's policies on gays are not authored by the God I worship. On that we can both agree. Since He made them this way, maybe this is all about us (straight church members), not them. Maybe you and I and Elder Holland are all on trial. And one more quick response to your final comment. This is not a difficult subject at all. It's super easy. Just accept gay people as they are, unconditionally and in every way, then it's a non-issue. We gave blacks the priesthood. Now let's give gay people the same full rights and privileges in the church that us straight people have, no difference between us and them, just like blacks. I'm pretty sure (I would bet my life on it) that that's what the unconditionally loving God that I worship does. The church is the one with the problem, not the LGBTQ community.

@@bradflinders4302 Gays already can have everything blacks and all members of the church have. They just have to live the law of chastity like the rest of us.

@@jeremysmith9694 You can't be serious. So this is all about gays living the law of chastity and nothing else. Then what on earth are we talking about here? Ask the LDS LGBTQ community if that's all this is about, and I'm pretty sure you'll get an earful. Get real man. There is one, and only one question here, and we all keep skirting around it. Does God fully accept gays for who and what they are or not? And I mean fully. And if not, then why did He make them this way? We'll never know God's stance for sure until we get to the other side, but my money is on unconditional love and acceptance. Unconditional means there are NO conditions. Not even one. Like I said above, I am quite certain (and I'm sure you'll agree) that you and I don't believe in the same God. But mine is for sure nicer. Oh, and one other thing. If this is solely about the law of chastity, then why don't we just let them get married? Problem solved. The "challenge" or "difficulty" is not with gays. It's with the church.

@@bradflinders4302 You think that gays are the only ones born with problems? You think they're the only people who struggle conforming to the teachings of the church? I don't think God does place conditions on His love. But He clearly places conditions on full membership in His church. He clearly has rules that all of us have to follow. If you don't want to follow Him then don't. You think a parent is more loving if they give no rules to their children? The law of chastity isn't about marriage. It's about marriage between man and a woman. So they still are not living the law of chastity if they get married.

@@bradflinders4302 Unconditional love and acceptance for individuals means something different to you than it does to God, I think. I would never harm anyone, and I know that God loves you perfectly. You are His son. However, same-sex relationships, even so-called same-sex "marriage," can never fit in God's plan because they are by definition a biological and geneological dead-end. (Neither can ANY non-covenental sex fit in His plan, btw. They are against His laws.) God's work and His glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal lives of man--His children. Part of our test here is to see if we are truly willing to help in His work and His glory, partly by being willing to live by His laws of marriage and family AND by being willing to have children. This is true even if, because of various challenges (whether it be same-sex attraction, or lack of opportunity, or health challenges, or whatever) we do not get a chance to have children in this life. Even in the Eternities, with perfect bodies, there is NEVER a chance for a homosexual relationship to produce children. Like I said, it is a dead-end. God's plan is all about families, ancestors, parents, children, seed, generations, all sealed together in one eternal family, with no insurmountable dead ends. This is clear all throughout the history of the earth, through all the scriptures, through all prophecies of the eternities. Homosexuality is not part of God's design for His children. Nor is homosexual sex lawful in His eyes. This law cannot be protested out of canon, despite all earthly wailing and gnashing of teeth of those suffering painful challenges now. Yes, love is important, and God's unconditional love for you surpasses your understanding. Christ will wipe all tears from your eyes, too. He does truly know best.

I will take my friends advice and turn my muskets to protecting people from the LDS church

@@getharryonsax As will I. With my last breath.

We need less musket fire, please!

Well said!

"May BYU remain faithful to the standards of the gospel." What gospel and whos gospel? The LDS church has its own gospel and its not the same as the one taught by Christ in the Bible. Sure, the LDS faith has some of the Gospel but they mingle it with the teachings of men. To me, the gospel of Christ can be summed up into Loving ones neighbor as them self. Would the LDS church leaders treat the gay community as they do if they truly viewed them as they do their self? Would the church had band the priesthood from the blacks if the church leaders of the day had truly viewed black people as they do them self? The answer is No.

I am a graduate of BYU (bachelors and masters) and a former instructor there, and I wholeheartedly denounce Jeff Holland's words, as they do not come from a place of love or charity. If we are really wanting to invoke "the gospel" here, then we should be focusing on the two most important commandments. Inflammatory and negative rhetoric towards LGBTQ+ people, and trying to recast who they are as a "lifestyle," is antithetical to loving your neighbor as yourself.

​@@dacarroll88 Sorry... you've got it backwards. May God bless you on your journey. ❤

Jeffrey R. Holland may become president of the church one day.

@@Cyrusmagi The way I look at is if you choose to go to BYU and you sign the honor code then you follow it. UVU is 10 miles from BYU and they don’t have a honor code.

@@shortsallyear8602why should anyone have to sign an honour code? Obviously BYU dont like students having free agency

@@Cyrusmagi You are incorrect you have free agency to go anywhere you would like to go. If you choose to go to BYU then you sign a honor code of your own free will. What I don’t understand is why would anyone go to a school that has a honor code that you don’t want to live?

@@Cyrusmagi because it’s a church school and a the honor code has always been a part of it??agency is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from signing an honor code of your own free will, then breaking a rule it states. if you sign the honor code then you agree to its rules, breaking the rules is more than just “free agency”, it’s defiant and wrong. people have the agency to break whatever rules they want, that doesn’t make it right though.

@@shortsallyear8602 well when people are young they have a tendency to change their minds on many things via education and learning. If they do why should they have to move from the place of learning. If people identify as lbgti why should they have had to leave the university of their choice or home. Plenty of hetro students at byu break codes and stay there!

His words were unmistakably a call to arms: Holland used the word “fire” 10 times, “musket” eight times, and made multiple references to “friendly fire,” “wounds,” and “scarring.” In particular, he called for “more musket fire” from BYU’s faculty to defend Mormonism’s official position on the inferiority and social dangers of same-sex relationships and marriages.

Jeffrey R. Holland may become president of the church one day.

thank you.

I’m still staying attached to the body and I love your comments, my brother. Best wishes to you and your family.

Thank you for this message brother

I wish that everyone today could have that same experience that you had Unfortunately, the enemies of the church have a great hold on the university today.

​@@allmight9840 well said! Unfortunately. 😢

Amen

But it’s not about you. It’s about the LGBTQ students, and how they feel excluded and penalised based on who they are. White people loved the church back when blacks were banned from the priesthood and endowments. This is a similar issue of exclusion. Just because you enjoyed BYU, doesn’t mean its therefore fair for everyone. It’s actually a really negative place for some people. Brigham Young and Jesus Christ would not be able to attend BYU as they do not follow the honor code

@@mikkifrompreston4396 Do you realize what this speech was given for? He was speaking at the foundation of a new department at BYU to help promote belonging for those who identify as being LGBTQ and others, while admonishing us to stay true to Christ and defend what he teaches us in the scriptures. That's all.

@@Operamoms I understand :) Can you help me? Between 2015-2019 Russel M Nelson stated he received promptings from God that the church should exclude children of LGBTQ from baptism, Holy Ghost, priesthood, and temple ordinances. Once they turn 18 they would need first presidency approval and to disavow their parents lifestyle in order to receive these blessings. What good was this 4 year ban? Was this revelation from Russel M Nelson and the Authorities correct and necessary? Was it maybe a mistake?

The problem isn't God, the problem is people claiming to speak for God and pushing things that are harmful.

It’s not a sin though and shouldn’t be felt as a struggle. People here are so weird.

@@homefrykl 💯

I'm proud of your great faith, Stephanie. 🤗

Amen!!!!!

Stephanie salzar the church the one you belong to has been divided since its very early days of conception if you learn of its history and stop seeing it through Rose tinted glasses. Even Joseph Smith stopped looking through his urim and thumin glasses preferring his familar (seer)stone.

@Macbook Lifestyle have you really dived headlong into the church history.?? Or are you just saying this to gain some credibility. Have you sought the real truth of matters before recent times of the many youtube sites , many which are constructive but some i agree are just hype. Actually i had my opinions and suspicions a long time before the likes of the CS letters. Much of my source reference came from the book ,discourse of Brigham Young, miracle of forgiveness, marvellous work and wonder. Also various priesthood manuals. Church handbooks for bishops. Boyd k packer himself! Spencer w kimballs wife and her quotes! These sources inthe main but also some passages of the book of mormon! As to a moral framework which i work to is my own view of what i think is acceptable, what i think is possible, what i think is a lie or just a perception? If you still have a faith in Christ thats a good thing. If you got it through you studying and praying about a book describing events of history great. Many do also from books of the bible. Some even have a great faith in Christ from the early words of Mohammed. Its not the source that is so important but the figure and communative powers of Jesus himself thats whats important. Did he rise again Do you know him Does he know you! Ps what subject of the lds church makes u feel persomally " let down" remember when something feels like a let down there is always a positive experience to gain out of it!

@@Cyrusmagi Like that other man, I also enjoy learning about the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I refuse to accept the bad information and the faulty conclusions of people who try to subvert the Church of Jesus Christ. The "CES Letter" isn't helpful. It is crucial that we receive truth from God, which is what the Book of Mormon and living prophets encourage us to do. If you expect perfection from prophets, you're bound to be disappointed, but the true, restored Church of Jesus Christ does carry on God's work in our time and it blesses the lives of millions of people. Some of its members rely on faith as God desires and don't have the ability to do much Church history research. Some of us can research more, but we find that historic detail are not vital, whereas our faith in Jesus Christ and the revelation we receive from God is vital.

Absolutely!

LGBTQ+ kids and adults are killing themselves every month here in Utah. Is this popular? Wake up.

@Tyler G Listen to the talk! He loves them! He's trying to help them!

Cheers! It's great to have honesty from someone in 2021.

As simple as that

@Tyler G There are a multiplicity of reasons I am sure or Elder Holland would not have said that. Perhaps he felt a valedictorian’s talk was not the right situation for this information. I know of BYU parents who see BYU as becoming too much like the world. This idea is evidenced in Elder Holland’s talk.

@Tyler G These are such hard times. I love the gay individuals. I have a cherished one in my family, but I agree this was not the place for this topic. However, we all have our own opinions. I understand how you feel. I also understand how my daughter feels when she sends her daughter to BYU and is disappointed this talk was approved for a valedictorian address at BYU. President Holland’s comments make us wonder if this complete talk was preapproved. In the end, we have to pray for understanding if we feel conflicted. We don’t know all that goes on behind these statements.

@@barbaramosley9081 I love gay people and then you go on to spout bigotry. LDS is so unlike Jesus and the bible tells people not to wearing clothing out of 2 different cloths. This fake elder is doing exactly that he is no more Christian than Buddha was. If you have a daughter who is worried about consenting adults living their best lives and being happy maybe the cult is the problem not the person giving the talk. There was nothing wrong with the talk he gave, in fact it was full of church doctrine. This man is triggered because maybe he has unresolved sexual tendencies himself. I worry far more about fake elders being around children than Matt's talk.

@@neongirluk I understand your feelings. I love gay people too. I have a wonderful family member who is gay and I couldn’t love him more. I trust our Heavenly Father and his commandments though. I don’t take any offense from your heartfelt comments because I really understand how you feel. We each have to walk our own road in this life. Love going your way.

Not everything leaders speak is the Lords message. When appropriate, and if the backlash is strong enough, they will be speaking as men.

What an uplifting comment! Thank you for your strength!

Hero Worship for everyone to observe... Jesus Christ

Part of the conflict I felt was a rift between other recent words given on same-sex attraction and how people are receiving what they think he said. The brethren are nothing if not consistent. So I knew he wasnt calling for violence or any ill feelings or actions against LGBTQ folks. With that knowledge I then knew I needed to read his actual words and not rely on ill placed and poorly used quotes. Having done so I have resolved my feelings and have also dispelled any confusion I may have had.

With respect, you and Elder Holland both referenced those who are given the “challenge” of same-sex attraction. Have you considered the fact that if the Holland and the LDS church truly treated the LGBT community with the same respect as heterosexual relationships, it would not be a “challenge”? In other words, the only reason it’s a challenge to LGBT is because the church holds this prejudice view, treating them like 2nd class citizens about something they were born with.

@@Hanleia1 I applied to the Trevor Project. 🥰 Wish me luck?

@@OnaAV While I wish you luck, there is no doubt that you will get accepted.

That's an argument for different faiths to have, but it is not a defense for the internal conflict in the group. It also does not address whether the principles taught are Christlike and good.

Thanks

@@zweidlen7 all of the principals that are in the Mormon theology are not good.

@@Hanleia1 Great, believing that God loves us is bad, what do you define as good in the case?

@@zweidlen7 Does it need to address anything, it's a youtube comment.

He just told the world he was a bigot! LISTEN to it again but being awake and an open mind.

@@TMorgansomeonespecial why are you so full of hatred?

@@TMorgansomeonespecial How is he a bigot?

@@TMorgansomeonespecial I don’t know how anyone could listen to this talk and come away with such a thought. I hope you can re-listen and better understand his message of love and concern for the welfare of everyone.

@@harrylongabaugh7402 So you are saying that I am full of hatred because I don't agree with Hollands comments? He and those that agree with him are the ones that need to repent. His comments were so harsh and insensitive and so unchristlike!

@Tyler G nothing, the church just cant let gay people openly say they are gay because they are so open minded.

@Tyler G The student used the opportunity to make a coming out speech.

What was prophetic about it?

@FD DM If you really want to know listen and pray about it. KZfaq comments with no effort will not lead you to truth.

Unpopular? The majority of both the people who will hear this and the people of the world as a whole holds the same or harsher opinions of LGBTQ people as Holland and the Church of now or the past. Besides, most people who are opposed to what Holland is talking about are more hurt and afraid of what his words and the Church’s perpetuated views of the LGBTQ community might do, they are not looking to abuse someone.

@Macbook Lifestyle I guess I had two points. He said that what Holland was saying and talking about was unpopular. Most of the people in the church and at BYU agree with him about LGBTQ people, as well as in the world. It is simply not an unpopular thing to say. Second, he talked about how Holland was exposing himself to “the abuse of evil.” I brought up that the majority of people who would hear what he said and disagreed are not looking to attack or “abuse” anyone unjustly. Those who do disagree are hurt by what he said and are worried about what he words might do for not only LGBTQ people at BYU, but all over and around the Church. This original comment is an example of persecution complex, which is very popular in modern Christianity and in Mormonism. It is when someone is convinced that the majority of people out there are against them and want to hurt them or their church. It comes from Christ and from apostles talking about how persecution is a sign of being righteous under God. Most people don’t know about the Church, and those who do don’t care about it much. The minority of people who care about the church don’t even persecute it that much, and those who do persecute the church often do so on justified grounds. Does this help explain a little more?

Yep, it is honestly crazy how it has gotten. It’s the church’s school, so it’s time for the university to align itself more closely to it

@@James-rf8ee Not intellectually challenged by killing their faith, at a school paid for by the faithful donations of tithing funds of the Church. Seriously. And a spot at BYU is SO rare these days. It is SO hard to get in, the competition is so fierce. You need near a 3.8 GPA and around a 27 on the ACT to be considered. BYU should NOT be a place where ANY testimonies go to die. BYU should be where we can safely send our children to LEARN WISDOM, OUT OF THE BEST BOOKS. Not to learn any form of Marxism, out of the mouths of liars. That is what my daughter experienced and had to fight last term. There is SO MUCH that can be taught, so many different opinions, so many wonderful things to learn, that do not contradict the Prophets. Those dingbats in the faculty who feel it necessary to teach from the great and spacious building need to be kicked out of BYU NOW.

@@James-rf8ee no one said not to have a different opinion. But BYU is the university the Lord wanted, for a particular reason. Abortion is a whole different subject

Did the professor advocate for abortion, or did the professor advocate for a woman's right to choose what happens to her body? Pro-Choice does not mean Pro-Abortion. Pro-Choice means that no matter what your personal feelings or beliefs about abortion are, you understand it is not your place to make a decision for another woman about what she can and can't do with her body. Religion should be kept out of politics. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Freedom of religion is "hey that's against my religion so I can't do that." NOT, "hey that's against my religion so YOU can't do that."

@@James-rf8ee And I am sick of persons thinking they have to right to force their religion and beliefs onto others. Religion should be kept out of politics. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Freedom of religion is "hey that's against my religion so I can't do that." NOT, "hey that's against my religion so YOU can't do that."

Speaking truth.

Why is love sinful? This speech was hateful and vindictive and that is truly a sin.

@@MrKenRury What part did you find hateful or vindictive? I'd be very glad to hear your thoughts on it. But, people seem to be misrepresenting Elder Holland's words a lot, so please refer to exact quotations.

I agree. Now, we cannot speak the truth without being called bigots, unsensitive, anti everything and anything.... Crazy times

@@00Fisher00 I decided not to respond because it only devolves into a name calling session and hatred from the tolerant side. I have said my peace and I will stand by my words, but I will not be baited into an argument that the other person would not have the courage to make in person, in front of me, but only because of the anonymity of the internet, they feel emboldened to misrepresent and out right lie about something that is so clear, only the willfully blind could not see. Only those of us that want to accept our errors can be helped, the rest, it's as useless as plowing the sea.

Psalms 94:3-16

Article of faith 11. Sit with that long and hard my friend.

Jeffrey R. Holland may become president of the church one day.

I hope your love doesn't get misinterpreted as condoning or advocating his reference to deadly tools in relation to a persecuted minority. Make no mistake, Holland is on the side with the power here, financial power especially.

@@leem3299 he isn’t, the whole presidency is though and I truly hope that the church cuts all financial support to BYU soon. ;) There are better causes that promote Christ-centered service and care than the massive amounts of money being wasted at a college that used to be special but now wants to become one with the world. Let them become one with the world. Utah as a whole sound be left by the church as the “nephites” in Utah are becoming just as worldly, loathsome and evil as their “lamanite” rivals. I wish there was a “Samuel the Lamanite” sent to awaken Utah but…they’re all lamanites or desire to become them now because it easier than defending standards of truth.

@@dcarts5616 Yes, the highest church authorities are sitting on a pile of gold, big enough that they don't need to cut support for BYU to put more money toward caring for the least of these - who Jesus loves as himself. I seriously wonder if the church even spends what is contributed under "humanitarian aide" on tithing slips. They spend some of it, and I appreciate any and all good they do - but if they spend anywhere near the total contributed even under just "humanitarian aide" I'd be very surprised. The pile of gold is big enough to sustain church operations perpetually just on investment income. They actually could direct members to give tithing directly to the least of these (as Jesus himself directed) right now, and not risk the financial future of the church at all. That would make headlines. Members, and former members, and nonmembers, and questioning members, around the globe would thrill at the headlines that would be written. The pile of gold would instantly turn from a golden chain around the church's neck, into a worldwide example of brilliance. Let the church keep what it has accumulated to sustain itself perpetually - and all the members can be set free to...: "I was hungry, thirsty, sick, stranger, prison, and you came to me. As you have done to the least you have done to me." Let's follow Jesus. How would you personally feel if Pres Nielsen said: "Through the generous donations of members over so many years, the church is now financially sound enough to sustain operations perpetually. This is a great blessing. Please continue to pay tithing, but give it to the least of these as Jesus directs. The Lord is with you, and will guide you as you ponder how to bless the poor, the sick, the stranger, the captive. These are all loved by Jesus as himself - as are you." How would you feel hearing that? I'm near tears just thinking about it.

@@leem3299 yawn.

Five people were m*rdered because of this talk(not counting those who took their life because of hate). Do you cry for their lives or will you continue to support those whose fruit is hate.

You mean the Lords Spirit

I weep when he weeps. I can't help it!

​@@Darronsanderson why can't she love his spirit as well? We each have one. When I hear him speak I feel the spirit of God. in order for him to convey that spirit through his words it only makes sense that he must have a lovely spirit as well. One worthy of love. Just as your spirit is worthy of love. ❤️