Ola is also a Swede and shecks gear too

"LET'S GO!"

metal571 “today we’re gonna compare it” :-)

Check out CS guitars. Scot brogue....

You forgot “Hi”.

+Parker Bilbro Thanks Parker! Glad to hear that :-)

Parker Bilbro That's odd. I heard more difference in the dirty riffs.

Parker Bilbro even i'm always on my best behavior on Johans channel,other good guys with channels i like are Steve from Boston,Marty Swartz.

It is! And I love it. I gave the “sheck it” Swede a follow.

@@duster71 check out Paul Davids

Exactly )) A guitar made of it will weight a ton though.

Me too

I guess I'll join the "me too" movement here. I wonder though if its because the plank is smaller? Which raises another comparison question. If using the same wood, how much does body size affect tone? Maybe the magic is in a smaller body?

He's just picking the strings in a different place. Probably because of the difference in weight but mostly because there' a huge variance in tone available in your fingers and picking, you really have to eliminate that. There's no such thing as tonewood. Plus he said how important getting the same setup of pickup etc is but obviously didn't have all 3 built so he could reference each of them side by side. And it's more or less impossible to use subjective human senses as a measure of 2 things. You know if I make you a cup of coffee in a yellow mug vs a red one many will say the red cup tastes stronger even if the coffee is identical from the same batch. You'd really need to do a more complicated and rigorous experiment to eliminate the things that we already know are the biggest factors in tone and measure the output with something that can compare it objectively. But, in the meantime we should have all seen by now that you can make a guitar without any wood, no neck or body, and it sounds the same as one with wood. Thus if you believed wood is contributing to the sound coming out the amp why it doesn't it disappear in the 'air guitar' ? I think the other thing the guy who set up the air guitar should have done is simply to show how easily he could have got different tones whilst playing. Just in the same way you can give the same guitar setup to 3 different people and they'll sound different through it. Jeez, about 70% of practise for anyone above beginner level should be focused on the tone of what you're playing. How hard are you picking, where are you picking, what are you picking with etc etc. If you're just following tab and holding the right fret and string and picking it roughly the right time as though playing guitar is like a more complicated version of 'guitar hero' then, sure, it's going to sound roughly like the piece of music maybe people will recognise it, but if you really want it to sound musical and good then you have to consider the quality of every note and passage. And you'll find a huge variety of tones even on the exact same settings, you're not switching pickup or volume or twiddling knobs on the amp or any pedals, you're just changing the way you play. But that nuance is difficult to control. It's why playing the guitar is difficult to master. It's specifically difficult to play something exactly the same way twice. So why anyone would think they could build 3 different guitars and see how the tone changed between them makes little sense. He could have got the same result without actually changing the wood.

Mahogany - more of a full sound Maple - more punchy Muhfkn pressure treated hardware store fir - surprisingly crunchy. Honestly I'm really surprised at how good the hardware store wood sounded.

Hopefully you'll play the appropriate Queen song...

Not "best", just different.

@@f1amezof no, best

​@@nhayes927How you quantify that exactly when they are electrified at all, I'm not sure. But have at it..

I feel like the fir was kinda mid-focused, mahogany was warm and rounded, and the maple was bright and scooped

+griiseknoen hahaha! Glad to hear that! :-)

"Guitohr"

griiseknoen aha Gothenburg good to know! 👍👍👍😅

+Michael Riley Thanks Michael! ;-)

Michael Riley yes do this

Thanks, that’s so good to hear! Cheers!

+Kelvin Jenkins Thanks man, that’s great feedback!

+John Danek Thanks John! It's really good to hear that! :-)

I agree. I know wood makes a difference because I took a Strat and changed the body and everything else the same. Absolutely different sound and attack properties.

do you want the price in linear footage?

Ngl, I would love to have one of these with an EMG and a standby switch. I would use it for shows.

@@shift307 it's not like you can distinguish anything with an active pickup, so it I'll probably to turn out well

I’d actually prefer the Maplecaster, with the Mahoganycaster pickup and neck.

Haha

Billy Corgan also believes in chemtrails, I wouldn't put too much stock in his views on science.

Billy gotta a point (but he doesn't know it.lol). As long as colours affect our emotions and behaviors, a colour may impact the way we play. And the guitar tone is in our fingers.

@@adairfernandes Billy's favourite guitar for many years was a yellow Strat and he spent 20 years pining for it when it got stolen. My favourite guitar is a yellow Tele. The funny thing is that we both hate yellow!

He's right! I have two exact same model/year Ibanez RG570's, both '91, I put the same pickups, pots and caps into them and they sound totally different! Sort of. I think. And it is because one is Brick Red and the other is Black Cherry. The Black Cherry one sounds darker so clearly a darker colour makes a darker sound right? I didn't actually check the cap/pot/pickup's for measurement values but they should all be spot on right? That 10-15% tolerance on everything wouldn't affect the output right? Right?

dude... it´s the microphone place not the wood hahahah do the same with direct line recording..

+Pingshan Luan Thanks! :-)

Others simply call a mahogany plank a Gibson SG!

@@JohanSegeborn Guitar bodies aren't made out of Maple Einstein, & run a loop, like someone actually serious about tone comparisons would do, so your inconsistent playing doesn't effect the data. Fail.

​@@JeighNeither you can't run a loop if you're changing the guitar...

​@@freebird61885 lol 😂

+Dave Monty hahaha, that's certainly a plus! ;-)

Johan Segeborn LOLOLOL! I've got a Mahogany Acoustic - that I just love. Ibanez AC340OPN - and man, that thing growls on the Bass strings. I just love it. But then I have a Maple Hollow-body & I love that too. Different woods for different applications.

Yeah, but the debate has NEVER been about acoustics, just electrics.

Dave Monty , hahahaha!!! I was not expecting this comment,funny!!!

I agree that it's subtle.

+Pedro Leal Thanks man! Cheers Johan

^^^^^^^^^ Spot on.

People who don't think it makes a difference have only ever played at low volumes. You're an idiot if you've played through a dimed stack and you don't think the different density wood is going to vibrate differently. So yea, "No tonewood" = "I'm a bedroom player for life"

WHY is the mahogany reliably the warmest sounding out of all of them? Jesus Christ you're stupid.

​@@romancultist6089 Nice generalization! Please explain how on earth the tone of the wood is transmitted to the pickup. Your string is taught between the nut and the bridge. It's not even touching the wood. The only thing the pickup can "see" is the string and it's vibrations and the guitar wood cannot affect the strings vibration when the string does not come in contact with the wood. It's simple physics. The pickup(magnets, wire type, #of winds and #coils), the pickups location relative to the bridge, the scale length, string(gauge, material) and the pick(material, force and where on string plucked) are the only things physically able to influence the signal coming out of the guitar output jack. I won't even get into the phycology aspect and your inherent biases. I know you will argue and say well such and such wood provides great sustain. BS the only thing the wood could do is absorb energy thereby reducing sustain. Now an acoustic instrument is a whole different ball game. Maybe you should actually read a book and understand how a electric guitar actually works.

Bill Robinette just stfu, bedroom player

+Lesjaye Thanks, really good to hear that! Cheers Johan

+Randy Spear Thanks my friend, Cheers!

+Blues Bengan Thanks Bengan! Glad to hear it. I preferred the Mahogany too.

I agree, the mahogany has the fullest tone. As heard in the Commanding tone of most Les Paul's

Actually anyone can do that for about the price of a nice pup and bolt on neck. Solid body electric guitar bodies are a structural element as demonstrated most effectively by Jim Lill; who manages to make two bleeding tables sound like a tele; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJZip6yeyMuXcXk.html

Indeed, the mahogany sounded the most pleasant!

Thanks Jim, I’m glad to hear that!

Thanks! ;-)

Johan Segeborn i agree. A travel guitar line hahaha. And Segeborn sounds like a badass guitar brand. Like Segeborn Lester would be a good name for an LP type guitar hahaha

Thanks Dan, glad to hear it!

Thanks! A Les Paul Studio can sound almost identical to the Custom shop guitars. The main source of the tone in my videos are the vintage Celestion Pulsonic Greenbacks, which have a very balanced tone so you can use pretty bright settings on the amp and still not have a harsh top end. The Nickel strings can help to warm up the tone too. You can change the pickups in the studio to some PAF style humbucker which also gives a more balanced tone. The bridge of the guitar can often make it sound harsh and could be changed to some softer material. On the amp I always crank the master and try to keep gain low since it often takes away a bit of the low end. Cheers Johan

Maybe watch this then decide. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJZip6yeyMuXcXk.html

Thanks , it’s great to hear that! :-)

The old tale of bad guitar good amp. Sounds really good for an epi neck.

Thanks Yohann!

The fir sounds like a cheap manufactured guitar and you can clearly hear differences in the open chords positons

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Thumbs up well said It is exactly the point of the video . And partially why guitars are now made of different and exotic woods. Other than esthetics And well the biggest reason we buy more than one IMHO Cheers

Some people won’t hear it, some will. Peeling back harmonics is a real litmus test for ear detection

@@BobBob-dv2qh i bet you change your tune when you watch this. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJZip6yeyMuXcXk.html

It's a trade-off it's just like the necks on bass guitars older body matches up great with a maple neck for Rock but not for blues and Ebony neck with older body sounds better same way with pickups summer brighter summer lower pitch the pressure treated with it everybody seems to be commenting on you perceive it as sounding better because it has more high end but does that sound better to a 20 year old that has a lot better hearing and has not lost his high end like myself it sounds very brittle even though I'm in my fifties but my ears are good I usually go with older bodies and maple on Maple necks for Rock Lindy Frailand pickups

Thanks Don, I’m so glad to hear that! Cheers Johan

+danyjr Thanks, yeah I couldn't agree more. Cheers Johan

Amen

Thanks Micke!

+jcoulter43 Thanks man ;-)

We get to see "behind the scenes" of the "hand made" Segeborn factory in it's early stages. When do you outsource and make "The Plank" in S. Korea or China to save production costs? Ha ha ha!

what debate? it sounds different, hence tone wood is real.. it doesn't mean you agree that spending $1000 on a piece of mahogany is going to sound $1000 better than a $60 piece.

+Davy Coningx Thanks! :-)

I thought the Fir was the worst of the bunch. Didn't like the sound at all. I guess that's why we all like different thing! The Mahogany sounded great to my ears.

Yeah, I'm loving the mahogany sound too but the fir had something interesting going which I didn't expect. Given the choice though, I would go for the mahogany.

Davy Coningx I kinda agree on this...

Its interesting though. On its own I'm mahogany all the way. But once you get a band behind you, all bets are off. The Fir didn't do it for me, but I'm sure a Fir guitar could be built that makes my juices flow...Just not this particular plank guitar ahhahah I'm 100% convinced that wood makes a difference, but I'm also 100% convinced that any wood can make a great guitar. Diversity in sound is why we don't all just own one guitar and leave it at that.

+Steven van Demsky Thanks Steven, it's really good to hear that!

Thanks, I’m really glad to hear that

@@JohanSegeborn It would be better not to have the room mic and the guitar many feet away from the cab mic. You are bringing in the acoustic properties into the recording. Those properties should be taken out of the equation as no one can hear the acoustic properties in a band setting. I'd also do a blind test wood 1, wood 2 and wood 3. ask the user to take notes and choose which wood is which before the reveal at the end.

@Tod Dot lol! I’d like a double blind test so biases can be excluded. That’s how testing works!

Thanks man! A 14-pounder? Which year is that from? Cheers Johan

Johan Segeborn 2015 - 2018 Check out the Epiphone Lee Malia Les Paul Custom Artisan, I have only just discovered it and although I was unaware of Lee and am not a fan of his music, I really love what he has done with this Signature guitar!! It's made by Samick in Indonesia although early ones were made in China and not of such good quality, it features Gibson pickups L 84 bridge ( Burstbucker with attitude) P94 neck ( humbucker sized single coil) weighs a ton (14lbs) according to one reviewer? but has lots of middy tone. The L.P. may be phasing out as it is LTD edition but I have one on the way, now also doing an Explorer and a revived RD, interesting times for Epiphone whilst Gibson takes a slide!! Check them out on KZfaq with the best demo of tonal range posted by a Thai guitar shop ( most others are just too heavy, drop D chug-a-chug) also check out One Ok Rock re-make cover by an Asian uploader using the L.P. and another by a European (possibly Polish) covering "The Loner" not the best cover but lovely glassy, bell like tone. I will weigh it when it arrives, Oh!! let me know if you know anyone interested in an Ibanez AM153dbs Artcore in beautifull Babinga in mint condition, I have a "She who must be obeyed" at home who insists in me parting with one to make space for another. Life is cruel sometimes, isn't it!! Looking forward to my new arrival and to your "Shaved Neck" video, Thanks for your valuable videos and for taking time to reply!!

+Vinicius Antunes de Proença Thanks man :-)

Yeah, all the differences in wood for electric guitars can be removed by very very slightly changing the EQ a bit. It'd be pointless wasting money on an expensive wood for a guitar when you're playing it through an amp. For acoustic guitars though, as you say, the wood can make a huge difference, because the wood itself is acting as a loudspeaker. The wood moves in the same way speakers do, they wobble up and down. And so of course wood affects the tone greatly on an acoustic. Unless you're plugging the acoustic in too because it has a piezo on it. Record it with a microphone instead of a piezo. Maybe the best tone on an acoustic guitar I've ever heard was one made with bog oak. Yes, oak, as a tone wood. Search for it on KZfaq, the bog oak acoustic guitar. Bog oak just means the oak was found in a bog/swamp and recovered and dried, and built into a guitar. It just the most juicy and glassy and smooth tone I've ever heard. Too many acoustic are very very bright and tinny and nails-on-a-chalkboard these days, especially with young guitarists insisting on putting on brand new strings right before a gig/recording. Acoustic guitars sound best with weeks old strings. But some things help achieve that sound even with new strings. Apparently bog oak is one of them. Now I have a new thing I can't afford that I want to buy. Because bog oak is extremely rare and expensive, it's not like you can just make it up yourself by leaving it in a man-made pond or something. Bog wood is usually ancient, hundreds or thousands of years old, preserved in the bog. So yeah. What I want instead is an all mahogany or all rosewood acoustic, which are expensive but realistically expensive, not re-mortage your home level expensive. Another thing I do is use flatwound strings. They sound less trebly and tinny when brand new too, although they're much much closer to normal roundwound strings as I thought it'd be. They are still bright, really. But definitely better than normal roundwound strings, not THAT trebly. And flatwound strings last much much longer too. I assume it's because they have no grooves in which for sweat to fall down into, collect in those grooves, and make the string begin to rust or break down so that it becomes a weak point where it'll snap. But yeah I use flatwound strings on everything now, even my electrics, and I don't play jazz. They're definitely still bright enough for when you want them to be bright, say for a genre like funk for example. But the mere fact they just last a lot longer is great. Flatwound strings even last a lot longer than Elixir strings. I've tried Elixir strings so many times, and yet they've never really lasted any longer than normal strings do.

Air sounds as good as wood. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJZip6yeyMuXcXk.html

ripzappa1 that is interesting. you'd end up with maple tone, which is a bit bright ( and might just make you very happy with the tone). Another option is to keep the same pickups, and get a better bit of mahogany. That way, you could keep your ' mahogany' tone, which in, in my opinion, has far more depth to it. ( zeppelin, guns and roses, gary moore , acdc etc etc etc) I have played mahogany guitars made with fast grown Samoan wood that have very little tone, they sound like theyre made of cardboard, and I have played a 59 reissue custom shop les paul which sounded super sweet, super fruity. Remember here that pickups have no tone, they generate no tone. They amplify whats in the wood, they may add more mids , more bass etc, but they generate absolutely no tone of their own, theyre microphones.

+Wile e. Coyote Thanks, yeah the Mahogany was my favorite

Haha true!

+1965fatbob haha! Soon, but they'll be extremely expensive ;-)

I'm ready to order my lumbercaster and plankcaster.

Joke aside, I'm sure there are people who'd pay for that body design if there's that golden Bender logo on somewhere and of course some quality pickups. Then they'll complain about ergonomics-ONLY.

fortj3 LOL!

It'd likely be a Gimpson logo as a reissue of the infamous Les Paul LOG. And they'd just glue some ES wings onto it when people complained about ergo, just like last time.

A palm mute or a tone knob has WAY more effect than this nonsense.

Nope. My old 62 "Les Paul" sounded worlds better than modern SGs and putting a good set of PAF copies made it sound a bit better. The same PAF copies in a modern SG sounded nowhere near as good as the 62 with garbage pickups.

@@FPChris Judging by your videos I can definitely understand how you'd think this. For your purposes, the difference would clearly be negligible; for more dynamic players, these types of differences are massive.

Exactly lol. I was like. But he keeps picking differently. I can hear it like....

@@crashdummy40 I know. It boggles the mind that people are sat watching this on the internet - a source for all humanity's knowledge and understanding - and yet they are still ignorant to basic science. 'Tonewood' belongs in the flat earth pile of woo-woo.

dude i bet the guy who mixes your guitar would disagree. Each of those has a pretty significant EQ change imo

@@djangomaxfield 1. The guitars were not held the same each time. 2.The location where you picked is not identical 3. There is no mention of the pickup height being identical. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJZip6yeyMuXcXk.html

@@djangomaxfield thats not true. I've heard plenty of recording engineers say that tonewood on electric guitars is bullshit

@@brent3086 I knew MANY of the recording engineer that worked in the 1980's. You are correct. What makes a bigger difference in sound than 'tone wood' was the type of microphone, mic placement and the recording console.

Yep, what actually matters on an electric guitar is in this order.. Pickups > Pedals (If you're using them) > Amp > Pedals Again (If you're Using an FX Loop) > Cabinet

Thanks man, I would probably opt for a more stable and precise neck joint in a permanent guitar ;-)

Thanks, I’m really glad you liked it!

+The Ape Machine Thanks! Maybe we can visualize that in some way in an upcoming clip.

There is actually an online tool to do this, but I can't find it at the moment, I might have to get back to you on this, but you can start here: www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/Demos/superposition/superposition.html

thank you for explaining it so simple.

+Woodeso's Guitar Mods Thanks man ;-)

I love it. Sounds fucking great! I'm about to make a guitar like this for a main instrument! That mahogany sounds amazing. How much did the wood cost you? And where you get it?

He lives in Sweden, but if you live in the US any decent hardware or Lumberyard should have it in stock

rbagel55 like home Depot has a piece of mahogany wood like that?

Well it depends on how thick you want you body to be. I don't know how thick the board Johan is using, it appears to be around 3/4 or 5/8 inch. If you want thicker, then you can laminate 2 boards together, that would be cheaper than trying to find a 1 piece the thickness of a Les Paul. If Home Depot doesn't have it then a good Lumberyard should have it. I can't quote you a price, all I know is the bigger and thicker the piece is, the more $$$ you are going to pay it.

Thanks, I’m glad to hear that!

Thanks Joe, welcome to the channel!

+R. S. Anthony A guitar is made up by many small contributors. Cheers RS

I feel that those minor differences you hear determine if the guitar sits with the rest of the instruments the way it should to achieve a good sound. I wouldn't underestimate it :)

Picking at different riffs at varying distances from the pickup with various degrees of pressure applied to the strings while playing an amp at various times produces too many variables, all of which likely account for the minor difference in tone between the samples. Even slight pick angle differences will change tone. Does Wood Affect Electric Guitar Tone (Part 4) The Blind A/B Test "In this video I create a blind A/B test between two different electric body materials. The body materials are Ash and Acrylic." Result? People can't tell the difference between acrylic and ash bodied electric guitar. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a9yXqsSauMnWp3U.html Violinists can’t tell the difference between Stradivarius violins and new ones blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/01/02/violinists-cant-tell-the-difference-between-stradivarius-violins-and-new-ones/

That's one way to look at it, but another way to look at it is that every one of these small factors will impact your final tone. Yeah, you could make the maple guitar sound dark using those other factors, but if you wanted a darker sound then the mahogany would probably work better. Like, you could use your point for any of the factors. "Two distortion pedals sound different? Well when you factor in the guitar, pickups, cable, mic, mic pre's, you won't be able to tell!" Of course there's a lot of factors that make up tone, the point is that they're all important when you're picking your tone.

R. S. Anthony The plankcaster sounds like fun!

Thanks, yeah that has a huge influence, so I was very careful to get it identical. Cheers

+WoahBoomshakalaka Yeah, we do indeed need to do that, to get some idea about variation within one wood

That is what I wanted to know. anyway, thanks johan you are the man!

I'm looking forward to that! (In this test, I could hear something very distinct in most, if not all, of the mahogany sound-bites. Anyway, many thanks for the video.

It would be nice if you could do a frequency analysis as well, just to stop people using meaningless terms such as "fat" or "warm".

All of my this.

+Sam Fosdick Thanks Sam! Cheers :-)

I think you are right and Johan's efforts here could confirm the usual consensus about Maple (bright and snappy) and Mahogany (warm und punchy). But the difference is smaller than I thought it would be. Seems like the construction and the PUs are more important than the type of wood?

I have seen the light! I used to be a tonewood naysayer, but I hear a difference. A minor difference, but it's there. Mahogany is my preference, but it's like the difference between a Super Bass and a Super Lead - horses for courses.

+Mrmoonlight76 Thanks, I'm glad to hear that!

me to and i have new mahogany body guitar

Mahogany sounds warm, pretty nice tone

+Sum 1 Thanks ;-)

I don't think it will end the debate. It will shift it to: "Yes, there is a slight difference. But is it predictable and significant?"

It's not the end of any debate. All anyone would have to do is blind the test and suddenly, every single moron in this comment section who thinks the 'debate is settled' would be reduced to excuses.

I'm the one who understands what happens here. You're not, ergo, you're the idiot, not me.

Ape you mean that in a blind test the sound from both guitars will suddently change and be the same? If yes, you are an idiot.