It's very close to the late 70s Electric Mistress. I've owned several of those and they all sounded different. Probably due to old parts and the fact that EHX had very bad quality control back in the days. The original units had a lot of hiss and a nasty volume drop. IMO it's a nobrainer going for one of these clones. Still though, when it comes to vintage gear, there's more to it than just the sound :)

I had a real one - the ‘gilmour’ spec and it was so noisy it was un usable. Pete Cornish told me that he had to do a lot of work on Gilmours, to keep it usable

Thank you! The Deluxe and E-Lady is smoother sounding and blends better with high gain effects like the Muff. The Mattress and Flanger, like the original 1976 Mistress, has more character, which makes the effect unique compared to other flangers but it's perhaps a more required sound too.

what the TDY like?

Thanks Val!

Thank you!

Thanks!

My E-Lady has a little volume drop. And your?

Agree! Thanks!

Cheers!

Thanks!

Nah, the elec lady is better

For me also having that blend control is a massive feature. PastFX for me.

Yes, it's hard to tell them apart unless you do an A/B test.

@@gilmourishofficial Yes and have to say there’s something magical about the Electric Mistress where you’re able to get chorus, Leslie, and of course great flange aka David Gilmour!

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Thank you! Yes it has a volume drop but not nearly as much as the original Mistress. I think the main issue with the E-Lady is that the top end is rolled off significantly so the drop is more perceived as you'll lose top when it's engaged. I've used a 1999 Deluxe since I bought it new in 99 so I'm so used to it but you could loop it with a booster or volume mixer. Still though, I think the best way to deal with it is to accept the volume drop as part of the Mistress' nature.

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I don't know if you have bought the PastFX yet, but if you haven't I would recommend you stay away. I thought the same thing, I had a Retro-sonic but then wanted the PastFX. I got the V3 and it pales in comparison to the Retro-sonic

@@salg1386 Thanks man, it's a bit too late now. I like my pastfx, but will def go for the retro next time!

I have a hartman with the actual correct SAD1024a chip

It is also pedal board friendly.....I have all 3 mooer modulation pedals on my Gilmour inspired board (phase, chorus and flange) and they are all brilliant, cheap and small. Only criticism of them is the rubber bottoms. I took that off because velcro wouldn't stick to it. For the money, they are very hard to beat.

@@daithesaes I have the phase and it’s one of my favourite pedals.

@@Strangel72 it's brilliant, isn't it? Recently bought a 2nd hand Phase 90 Script to compare.....no real difference to me so the Mooer stays as it takes up less real estate. It also has an LED!

@@daithesaes …and true bypass

Valid. I see no reason to move my Mooer off my pedalboard.

Great song No More Lonely Nights, and great example of green Electric Mistress

​@FloydColor that was Boss Chorus not EH

The Mooer is fantastic. I swore I would never take my 1999 Deluxe off my board but after finding the Mooer, I have semi-retired the old Deluxe for studio use only.

@@gilmourishofficial I Agree 100% - you can get David Gilmour, Andy Summers and (some) EVH / Barracuda territory = excellent pedal. oNe LoVe from NYC

You can make the e lady closer with a trebleboost or an eq

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Thanks! The stereo doesn't really sound like an Electric Mistress but it has some nice tones. Depends on what you're looking for. Personally, I would go for one of these three.

Thank you Bjorn. My goal is to reach in some way Gilmour 70’s era. Anyway, got it, I'll move to one of these three! Thanks again!

I think all three works nicely. The Elastic Mattress has a mix control that really helps with brighter gain pedals. I do think though that the Flanger is a slightly better match for the Ram's Head.

Thanks! I have very little experience with the Kemper so I can’t really tell.

@@gilmourishofficial Ok but thank you tho!

Grazie!

Though I should add I’ve heard some of them sound different to others so try a few at a guitar store if you can

I have tried the XO and meant to do a review of it but it doesn't come close to the old Deluxe. I tried to tweak the internal trim pots and spent a lot of time experimenting with it but I just could't get close. I don't think EHX managed to do the old Deluxe justice with the XO.

I'll do a video if they send me one :)

Had the Mooer, the Thorpy and then went mad and bought a vintage 18v Mistress. The Mistress really is in a different league, it sounds fantastic but it's very noisy and takes up a lot of space. Between the Thorpy and the Mooer I prefered the Mooer, the Thorpy sounded kind of ordinary.

The Mooer has a bit of that jet flanging so if you don't want that, I'd go for the Elastic Mattress, which has the most chorusy tone.

Check out this feature on my site for some tips on choosing the right pedals for different types of amps www.gilmourish.com/?p=7115

@@gilmourishofficial will do, thanks for the response

EHX Ram's Head reissue.

I have both. This is the V2 with more top and presence. Not a huge difference.

@@gilmourishofficial Good to know, thank you.

It's a very different type of flanging. Can't compare it to the Mistress.

Cheers! I still use my old 1999 Deluxe in the studio. It's all over ARR and I think I've actually used it on every Airbag and solo album :) Love that thing! But it is different to the 1976 Mistress.

This is the V2.

Check out this video for all the details kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qt6Ki8Rp3pPUnI0.html

No. The Retro Sonic is darker and fits a bright amp. The Past FX is brighter and fits a darker voiced amp.

@@gilmourishofficial I understand now - I missed it when you were referring to the amps, instead of the pedals. Thanks for clarifying!

If you have the money then go for the deluxe as its so versatile and authentic. But I recently tried the mn3007 version, and it's absolutely amazing too.

is your 70s vintage electric mistress noisy?

I had both ( Sold the Retro ) as I prefer the bottom-end it ads with a Strat and Princeton amp. It also gets me in Van Halen territory, so it's more versatile.

guitar > Muff > flanger > amp

@@gilmourishofficial cheers dunno why but my camoflange sounds much better before the muff

@@iansawyer3043 The Camoflange does not have alot of headroom, might sound best before because the pedal isn't hitting it's limit as it might when actually hit with a Muff.

I haven’t tried the Longamp so I can’t really tell.

My favourite will always be my 1999 Deluxe but as explained in the video, the Deluxe is a different type of Mistress. Kind of a mix between the old Mistress and MXR. Between the Mattress and Flanger, I would have to say the Mattress. By a tiny hair. Mostly because of the blend control.

It's a clone of the Deluxe Electric Mistress, which has a darker tone and more of that jet flanging. David used the 1976 Mistress, so for his tones, the Mattress or Flanger would be closer.

@@gilmourishofficial Thank you for your answer! Yes, I know very well the original Mistress that Gilmour used and that he continues to use, quite different from the de luxe sound. But mine wanted to be just a thought, a feeling of mine. Although the Mooer eleclady is darker, being a full range flanger that does not cut the bass as in the original, I felt in its sound something "magical" that I cannot perceive in the past fx or in the retrosonic, I repeat absolutely fantastic pedals . In some places, the Mooer brought me back to the sounds of the wall studio album.

Not a mystery. After Buffalo capitulated, many pedal enthusiasts enquired if PastFX could make clones of the Buffalo pedals (which were already improved clones). PastFX already had their own line of retro style pedals and seemed like the ideal maker to take up the challenge. They’re unrelated to Buffalo.

The original EHX pedal had a worse vol drop.

Agree 100%

You can use a Boss LS2 to blend wet/ dry in the mix

This is the V2. I have both. The V2 has a tiny bit more top and presence but it's still darker compared to the Mattress.

@@gilmourishofficial Ah, thank you! I remembered you had demoed the Retro-Sonic back when it was first released so I thought you had the V1 still. That helps a lot, I really appreciate it!

I think you're missing the point. Of course these clones are based on one or a few original pedals that often sounded very different to each other. A clone of a vintage pedal is probably more a clone of a sound, rather than a accurate circuit. In this video I'm doing a comparison between three current Electric Mistress style pedals and I think that these are much more consistent than vintage gear. KZfaq will compress, I use certain gear and I play in a certain way. You will not be able to get the same tones as I do with these pedals but you get an idea of how they sound and how they compare to eachother.

@@gilmourishofficial As a long-time measurement guy, experienced survey designer/analyst and long-time friend of local Retro-Sonic maker Tim Larwill, I have no quarrel with the possibility that accurate reproductions of older pedals that were a little different in their design, or were identical but modified slightly for recent repros, can sound purposely different from each other. The Retro-Sonic *might* have a little less top end than the PastFx pedal as a matter of choice to keep clock noise or hiss out. That MIGHT be the case. But strong inferences about what will always be true of ALL units of a given product/model will require one of two things, and sometimes both: 1) multiple examples of each product to demonstrate *consistent* traits, 2) examination of the electronic design/circuit to note differences in component values. That is not a slag of *any* sort against yourself. You join a very long line of equally sincere and well-intentioned KZfaq pedal comparisons that also construe a single pedal of a particular model/brand as reflective of every single unit, or construe the location of an indicator line on a control knob as being a 100% accurate reflection of the actual electronic setting internally. My concern is with the inferences that *viewers* draw from such demonstrations, rather than the honesty of or accuracy of what the demonstrator hears and wishes to illustrate. I am absolutely confident you hear the differences you hear, and have presented them honestly. I'm just less confident that viewers can calibrate the confidence they place in such videos, whether here or elsewhere. Some understand sampling theory, but the majority seem to treat anecdotes as equivalent to a census. When I used to teach statistics, I would hand out envelopes to 2 students in the front row, and ask them to pull 4 slips of paper out of their envelope and write the numbers on those slips of paper on the blackboard. I would ask the class "Are these two sets of numbers - if they were two sets of research data - similar or different?", and they'd offer a response. I'd ask the students to draw 4 more slips of paper, then 4 more, and finally the last 4 (16 in an envelope). When the list of all 16 numbers was finally revealed, they would see that each envelope actually contained the identical numbers/data, and that what appeared very different at the start wasn't really, once the whole "population" of each envelope was considered. The size of the sample is always important. I don't expect KZfaq product demonstrators, or any musician for that matter, to be statisticians. I'm just saying that it can be risky to draw strong conclusions about products from single instances.