Electric Underfloor Heating Installation UK

Electric Underfloor Heating Installation UK - Back at the Studio

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Electric Underfloor Heating Installation UK - Back at the Studio
Join me as I install an electric underfloor heating system in this beautiful oak studio.
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@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

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@asif530 4 жыл бұрын

Absolute quality. Well done.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@lonewolfgeoff 4 жыл бұрын

nicely done! always wondered what under floor heating systems looked like... now i know 😎😊

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thanks for watching!

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, Jordan. You've excelled yourself the MUSIC you found was tip top and the EDITING you did on the floor sequences was fantastic. This has gotta be one of your most professional and high production values videos yet. You're setting the bar rather high and you seem to have put a nice warm grade on the footage too. Really going to town!

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks I have a great editor so I can’t take any of the praise myself!

@pauljones908 4 жыл бұрын

Another great job as always 👍😁

@mathman0101 4 жыл бұрын

Great job as always Jordan. I knew you would be back. The one thing I did raise last time and I still think it’s worth doing would be to show us the quality of the cabling that was above ground from the house to the studio. I would have preferred it to have been in liquid (water) seal flexible conduit to protect it from elements and being damaged accidentally. That’s a tough job but I would tell the customer it’s so worth it.

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

How do you do that then. It's not something I ve come across?

@richardwhitear7918 4 жыл бұрын

Another cracking video. Really like the way you describe how to install things.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

@OneMichaelGroup 4 жыл бұрын

The video duration makes the job looks easy. Great Job with 'sexified quality' as usual, well done, Jordan.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@janosbico2523 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jordan, I was wondering if you have any information about the insulation under the heating element, is it possible to use something else other than the heat mats, in our country they are not available. I am planning to install underfloor heating in the house but I have issues with the floor hight, a part of the room is about 5cm higher than the rest, so I was planning to lay down some denser styrofoam, since we don't have heat mats. What do you think, would it hold up? Than in advance.

@jayelectrician1889 4 жыл бұрын

Superb works...😍🤘👍

@evzenhedvabny6259 4 жыл бұрын

Great video... As always. Thanks

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@ttff6810 4 жыл бұрын

good install, nice job keep up the quality work

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jeff777lufc3 4 жыл бұрын

Good job, thanks for the video. I was surprised you used a surface pattress for the thermostat, I thought you could have flushed that in. Also, Heat Mat do ‘premium fascias’ for the controller in various finishes so it could have been fancier looking 🙂🙂🙂. And I bet you still wish you had more room in that box outside, you won’t want him to add anything else!

@SultansKitchen1 3 жыл бұрын

Nice install, well done Jordan.👍🏼 Very high standards as always.😉

@happygilmore7115 4 жыл бұрын

Nice job Jordan 👍

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@rattlehead85 4 жыл бұрын

Nice Job buddy!!!!! 👌👌

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@barrybarry490 3 жыл бұрын

The thermostat you said needs to be at 1.5m but then put it a lot lower is the height allowed at what ever suits or is there some sort of regs that determine the height?

@paullyons4624 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Jordan, I have a feeling you’ll be doing a lot more of this in the future with the phasing out of natural gas.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah you’re probably right!

@brianwood5220 4 жыл бұрын

Great job Jorden, but the height of the programer should be 1.2m because it could be comparing the rooms ambient temp with the actual floor temp. If so you may get a call back to say it's not working correctly. But it was the clients choice to have it hidden. So if you do go back and incur additional costs, it's only right they are passed onto the client. 😁😁😁

@acelectricalsecurity 4 жыл бұрын

Most under floor heating stats can be set to either use air temp or floor temp so it's not really an issue. A lot of manufacturers also state that they should be mounted on an internal wall, which is not possible there, sometimes you just have to do your best.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks that was my reasoning too

@DerekHundik 3 жыл бұрын

whats the difference from 1.2 m to 1.5m of the floor

@acelectricalsecurity 3 жыл бұрын

@@DerekHundik if you look in the install manuals for any stat they all say 1.5m and normally on an internal wall

@DerekHundik 3 жыл бұрын

@@acelectricalsecurity let me have a look but why in first comment guy says it should be 1.2m What i do is put them always above the light switch.

@xylo66 4 жыл бұрын

Nice one Jordan. Love the timelapse shots....looks like a ghostbuster scene . LOL

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

Agree totally it's a blast this video on the production front. Loved the speeded up sections too. And the music.

@RWATraineeElectrician 4 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@RWATraineeElectrician 4 жыл бұрын

@Artisan Electrics You're welcome 👍

@kimbo1966 Жыл бұрын

did you have to use a contactor ? what was the total amps ?

@colinfenton 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jordan, interesting video, the MCB was protecting the load through the contactor but what did you use to protect the control circuit ?. In industrial panels we would always protect the control and the loads independently, say 32amp load, 6 or 10 amp control. Thanks.

@iamsamkerr 4 жыл бұрын

Good point, the cold tails are now protected by a the 32a MCB. They are unlikely rated to this. Unless Jordan installed separate fused spurs for each length of mat?

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

I followed the instructions from HeatMat which was to connect the cold tails in parallel to the outgoing side of the contactor, the control circuit is on a 6A RCBO.

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

@@artisanelectrics This is such an interesting comments your video has thrown up. Full of really thoughtful input, it's so great this medium dont you think!

@colinfenton 4 жыл бұрын

@@artisanelectrics , cheers mate thanks for the reply.

@asif530 4 жыл бұрын

Did you just connect 2 cold tails in the end based on your floor measurements. I guess you didn't need the 3rd smaller piece. And does the thermostat support smart connectivity for remote management of the heating

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I just used the two in the end. The stat is a WiFi one so they can control from their smart phone etc

@stephengholmes4083 3 жыл бұрын

How do you stop it lifting when you put a screed over it an poking throw

@gmeadowcroft84 4 жыл бұрын

Looks amazing, I jusy really wish I could see the final article once the customer has finished the project

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe I will be back as I have been asked to quote for a full CCTV system there as well!

@gmeadowcroft84 4 жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed

@MK-wf1eg 4 жыл бұрын

Had a question Jordan, was wondering was there any controls to the contactor controlling temperature? Because as far as i understand, the thermostat would just power up the a1 a2 terminals in the contactor, sending power to the the mats, but how is temperature controlled?

@Mattja1 4 жыл бұрын

Pause at 14:52 and you'll see there's a backwards L shape in white tape going along the edge of the floor then between the heating cables. If I'm not mistaken that's a floor thermometer to measure the temperature, which runs back to the thermostat. So when the floor hits the max temperature it's set for the thermostat will turn off the contactor.

@MK-wf1eg 4 жыл бұрын

@@Mattja1 thanks for that. I understand now

@hawk_ness 4 жыл бұрын

Top tip: Put your lav mic further down your t-shirt more in the middle and will help with the audio levels when you move your head. :D Again another great video though.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah thanks that was annoying wasn’t it!

@robswingler 4 жыл бұрын

Having the floor probe in-between the elements of only one matt would mean if that matt fails the other wouldnt ever turn off as it wouldnt have any sensor to trigger the stat

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

That’s why it has room temperature sensing as well

@robswingler 4 жыл бұрын

Artisan Electrics I’ve only ever seen stats with the option of the probe or room sensor not both at the same time.

@jimmacdonald9746 4 жыл бұрын

The 1.5m thermostat height only applies to room thermostats measuring room air temperature but this system uses its own temperature probe so can go at any height

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Great thanks

@steve11211 4 жыл бұрын

What circuit did you take a feed to the thermostat? I assume the 32A goes straight into the contactor but there would need to be another feed to the thermostat to control the contactor coil.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

I used the lighting circuit as a control circuit as well so the thermostat is on a 6A RCBO

@benlongstaff668 8 ай бұрын

So it’s ok to power the thermostat from a fuse spur on its own rcbo fused down to 3A along with the contacter been ran on a 32A. With the out going side of the thermostat running back to the contractor with the cold ends from the mats.

@slademcthornbody9060 4 жыл бұрын

Nice job. Considered a wifi thermostat? Would make accessibility less of an issue

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is a WiFi one

@marcinkolanowski5167 2 жыл бұрын

I’m surprised you didn’t go for a bigger CCU to leave some room for potential future additions. I’m sure there was a reason. Cheers

@lkm5462 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I prefer the cable to the mat. I would have painted the face brown . Most importantly we always put down a second temperature probe and leave the leads un connected in the thermostat. Thus if the first fails the second will be an easy fix.. When you look at the system, it is the most likely to fail.. Another reason I like the cable is I can dictate the watts per sq. Meter, I.e. closer together more heat per sq meter. I’m surprised taping the floor shield wasn’t the job of the. contractor. We are required to check the resistance before unrolling and after installation.. I did a repair job for a friend who had the job done by some unprofessional people . The cable he used was compromised in three locations and the tile was already installed. That took a while and with infrared thermometers and spark generators and eight hours , we repaired it. I love underfloor heat, it’s the way to go especially if you have small children. They are always playing in the coldest region of the room, the floor and underfloor takes care if that. Less likely they will have ear infections. Thanks for your vids. Would like to stop by sometime

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@urho1 4 жыл бұрын

We in Finland always put probe in small flexpipe so you can change it when it fails, just tape one end so when they pour concrete it won't fill that pipe.

@tommymack3210 3 жыл бұрын

@@urho1 same in Norway👍🙏🏽

@williecarson6240 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid, this is why I value AC so much. not a huge amount on cost difference to install in a space that size. However it’s an all year round climate control, heating and cooling along with the dehumidifying functionality it would serve that room very well. Also massively cheaper to run than underfloor heating. Nice installation as always though.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks yeah never would have thought to install AC good call

@williecarson6240 4 жыл бұрын

Artisan Electrics no worries, I run an Electrical & Air Conditioning business in Milton Keynes. If you ever want any info or just have a question on AC don’t hesitate to drop a line. Keep up the good work my friend.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks will do! 👍

@blobstrom 4 жыл бұрын

A heat pump would be a good choice but, maybe the customer didn't want to see the indoor units on the wall going by the fact he didn't want to see the small thermostat. Also i do like a warm floor on a cold day

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly it just wouldn’t have fit in with such a beautiful oak building

@dexster747 4 жыл бұрын

I installed 4 lengths of these the other month, however in the instructions it did say that every length of mat was to be fused. Did this particular mat not ask for that? Great vid as always.

@ashleyrawes6253 4 жыл бұрын

👍🏻 Grid plate and fuse each mat before going to the contractor otherwise only covered by the 32A RCBO..., totally agree, - apart from that, quality install!

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

@@ashleyrawes6253 how do you mean, grid plate? do you mean switch plate with fuse unit in it too, I can't picture what you mean? sorry to ask but interrested how you mean cos I just did one just like Jordan's except my mats had separate 8kW m,ats and controlls as they were under separate squash courts. I really would like to know what you mean as you sound like you know about this more than I

@dangraves7808 4 жыл бұрын

LAsparkTV Wire&Test Limited I think what he’s saying is he would have fit a box with gridswitches with a downrated fuse in for each individual heat Mat so in this case 2 fuses on a grid switch in the enclosure so that the heat Mats was not supplied directly by the 32 amp 60898 mcb

@shane121 4 жыл бұрын

Quality work and video as always, but you said customer said they don't like white thermostat but has white light switch and white internet box? Strange.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Just meant they don’t like things that don’t look nice and stand out

@AndyK.1 4 жыл бұрын

Hope the T stat works. They aren’t meant to be hidden.

@seanboxley4594 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video Jordan 👍🏻. Wondering if you carried out an insulation resistance test between the two heating cores and earth sheath? Had a floor tiler damage the last one I installed so failed an IR test! Had to get warmup engineer out to locate and repair the matt (that was interesting to watch)

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I did thanks for watching!

@tresslerj1985 4 жыл бұрын

Used any storm glands yet Jordan?

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

John Tressler yeah one or two, not sold on them yet to be honest.

@scottreynolds8917 4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you of need 2 stats for the 2 separate mats?

@Daniells1982 4 жыл бұрын

No because 1 stat is controlling the coil of the contractor but the contactor will power both mats once the stat calls for heat.

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

Even if connected in parallel to the same circuit? Do you think so? What do you reckon?

@charliechimples 4 жыл бұрын

Great job, if only every job was as straight forward as that..🐵

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah 😁

@acelectricalsecurity 4 жыл бұрын

I am not a fan of electric heating full stop, it's just too expensive to run. I have had a few of the temperature probes randomly go open circuit, so on the odd occasion I do install it, I now install 2 probes and leave the other in the back of the box for future use.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice tip

@peto22 3 жыл бұрын

The floor sensor should be mounted inside the pipe and the wire routed through the pipe to the thermostat. Thermostats and sensors are prone to breakdown and different thermostats use different types of sensors. When this breaks down the thermostat eg. 10 years from now, you can not be sure that you get the same type of thermostat to replace it.

@acelectricalsecurity 3 жыл бұрын

@@peto22 the thermostats can use either floor sensor or air temp, so there's no need to worry what may happen as you can just set it to air temp, if it were to fail.

@peto22 3 жыл бұрын

@@acelectricalsecurity Now that is dodgy! If thermostat location is chosen with fact it uses floor sensor, it is probably bad place for air sensing thermostat, as in this video.

@acelectricalsecurity 3 жыл бұрын

@@peto22 yeah your right what was I thinking of suggesting a thermostat be used for measuring air temperature, how rough is that

@Chris-hy6jy 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't the customer consider a heat pump? Would have used less than 1/4 of the electrical power and you can also use it in the summer for cooling.

@Richardincancale 4 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing - but maybe the noise (even though good units like Daikin are very quiet) would be a problem in a studio? Also - what breaker did you use to power the thermostat and the coil side of the contactor - should be on a 6amp breaker I think.

@evzenhedvabny6259 4 жыл бұрын

@@Richardincancale Here in CZ we connect thermostats and contactors to 2 Amp type C MCBO Heating mats have RCD and usually each separate MCBO.

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

@@Richardincancale He used a 6amp breaker on it.

@Richardincancale 4 жыл бұрын

LAsparkTV Wire&Test Limited Yes I saw his reply to that effect. But the video showed him having only three slots left, 2 for the contactor and one for the 32a amp MCB to feed it. I guess he must’ve used an existing 6 amp MCB elsewhere in the board.

@aharonstubbs4089 4 жыл бұрын

£20 says you have more subs than Bundy by the end of October and dss by the end of the year

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

We shall see! 😁

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

🚀🚀🚀

@Steve-ho4pq 4 жыл бұрын

Rcbo to protect under floor heating, you will get nuisance tripping also the contactor should be spaced away from the protective devices to prevent heat transfer from the coil of the contactor on to the protective devices and vice versa. The thermostat with not control the true temperature of the room. As such it is not installed to the manufacturers requirements .

@darrenqualters2341 4 жыл бұрын

Why would he get nuisance tripping ? I haven’t installed many underfloor heating systems, but the ones that I have done, the manufacturers instructions have always stated that the install needs to have RCD protection. To date i haven’t been called back to any of them for nuisance tripping ?

@Steve-ho4pq 4 жыл бұрын

@@darrenqualters2341 it a resistive load with the contactor switching on and off the rcbo will see the imbalance between the live and neutral. This will happen over time.

@leeburnside735 4 жыл бұрын

Steve H the contacteur does not turn the rcbo on and off it stays perm on the contacter open just like a relay allowing the power the continue through

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Steve-ho4pq 4 жыл бұрын

@@leeburnside735 yes it know that. The rcbo wants to see a balance between the phase and neutral when this balance goes out of kilter the rcbo will trip. This can happen with resistive loads and can be problematic due to the in rush of current when the thermostat calls for heat or when switching off when the required temperature is achieved. Also the contactor is being switched by the thermostat and if both poles don't engage or disengage at the same time this can cause the rcbo to see the imbalance between the phase and nuetral and trip. Which is classed as nuisance tripping. Just stating my observations and personal preference. Either option is compliant to BS:7671

@shaynemacdonald3051 4 жыл бұрын

Gutted you rushed the video at the end. You could of went over how you did the contactor etc.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry I ran out of time!

@edknight1982 2 жыл бұрын

I bet that costs alot to heat.

@stuartarnold9444 4 жыл бұрын

Visit No7 - fitting an EV charger to the outside. 😉

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Actually CCTV is next project

@stuartarnold9444 4 жыл бұрын

@@artisanelectrics Do you need any other customers? 😉

@stevejagger8602 3 жыл бұрын

I have installed electric underfloor heating on small household floor areas within existing buildings. For such a large floor area I feel that ground or air sourced heating would be a more effective long term solution. Naturally the installer has no influence on the client’s choices. If building conversions and new builds had to conform to the highest levels of energy conservation then this type of installation would not be necessary. Energy conservation in buildings is so important for the long term sustainability of human life on earth, particularly in the wealthy economies whose present carbon footprint levels are unsustainable. USA = 16 tonnes carbon dioxide per person per year. Europe/UK and other rich economies = 6-7 tonnes per person per year. A so called developing country like Uganda is at 0.1 tonnes per person per year. I am not knocking this installation, rather I am questioning the efficacy of electric underfloor heating vs a wet system, or raised insulation levels which make conventional heating systems unnecessary, combined with mechanical ventilation and heat recovery,.