After the world found petroleum, all interest in other energy sources for EVERYTHING pretty much ended. Battery technology was stagnant for decades and decades. As a kid in the 70s that blew through Alkaline batteries as fast as a box of Froot Loops, I welcome batteries with 1000 w/hr densities, that charge in 30 seconds, and cost .45 cents. That way I can watch reruns of Thundarr the Barbarian and Sigmond and the Sea Monsters on my new iPad years from now, for weeks at a time, without recharging! That was my dream as a child, and it is still near to my heart.

90% cheaper? Ok, believe it when we see it.

One HUGE factor in wanting to use Sulfur is that it's a waste product from Hydrodesulfurization in gasoline refining(which uses Cobalt as a catalyst btw). There's enormous stockpiles of the stuff available and tons more being made everyday, because _fossil fuel industry_ 😅

There are so many optimistic "news" reports about battery technologies that, for a layman, it can be difficult to discern what is real and what is just unfounded hype.

Thank you for your update🙏

CATL named their new battery the "Condensed Matter" battery, later shortened to just "Condensed." Condensed Matter Physics is the modern name for Solid State Physics, which enabled the invention of the transistor. IMO, battery companies using names like "solid state" or "condensed matter" are just trying to make solid electrolytes sound as revolutionary as the transistor was. Pure marketing hype.

I've hit peak solid state news and peak Electric Viking. False hope is so draining. Gotta get out of this hype cycle.

How many cycles?...that is the question.

As you say, we'll see in a few years if this makes it to production. As CATL have what sounds like a great product already in production, and the likes of Toyota keep making promises that they have for the best part of a decade, failed to deliver, while also claiming hydrogen is the future, then I'll go with CATL, when it comes to banking on genuine progress. CATL keep delivering. As a side note, I am still enjoying my 8 year old Model S (262,000 mile). I'd like to think that if I keep hold of it, then at some point in the future (2-5 years?), I will have the option to buy a replacement battery that weighs less, goes further and charges faster. Effectively giving my car a new lease of life. I realise this would also need either Tesla or an independent supplier, giving the car the relevant software update to run the new battery, but it should be doable.

HALLELUJAH ANOTHER GAME CHANGER and with all this cost slashing soon they will be paying us to take these batteries ! Go figure

Battery technology is like graphene, always promising but always in lab.

Its not just the cost. solid state batteries so far have a very short cycle life.

Sam, have you seen the news on the Sakuu battery? Munro is super impressed.

Solid state batteries may not really be needed in EVs, but they are probably a game changer in aviation.

I'm very chill. Whether is the Chinese or anyone else, battery prices will drop non the less. Economics 101: where there's demand and lots of money, there's a way. In 5years max, everyone can stop talking about range and charge speeds.

China is playing the US at its own game, basically, by the US trying to restrict what can and can't be imported into the US, China is getting around that by being a lot more aggressive on pricing, this is a big deal because the world is a big market that a lot of it doesn't follow the US vision on China. It also means that if the US does restrict products from China that are a lot cheaper, that's giving the advantage to countries that don't restrict them. If China is smart, they will target the tech sector, especially Nvidia, AMD, Intel and others in that space that have becoming way too greedy the last few years, there's a massive opening for an alternative, even if the product isn't quite as good, if it's a lot cheaper, a lot of consumers will flock in that direction, just as we are starting to see with many industries from China like Solar and EV cars, basically, China has seen the weakness of the west and especially the US, which is greed, by targeting that, it's very easy to gain market share fast as China are showing in many sectors. I know some will say we should buy western products and I would, but with how greedy some are getting, if China offers an alternative of high quality and much lower price point, I would be stupid to not jump, and that I suspect is what most of the world thinks. China is likely going to continue to be aggressive on pricing in one sector after another because it's working for them at a time when the US is trying to keep China down because of other geopolitical reasons, basically, as long as there is enough countries around the world that's willing to buy products from China that are much cheaper than western products, then China wins by default and if the west is smart, they'll stop being so greedy, otherwise, China is going to eat there lunch, one sector after another as they are already showing, which will be fun to watch in the high-tech sector where they've really got greedy in the west, especially the US, and to put it another way, it doesn't matter if the US bans there products, if other countries are buying them, that's giving there consumers a big advantage in savings compared to US consumers, so the US can only go so far on that unless there corporations are willing to slash prices aggressively, fat chance of that lol.

I'd heard that solid state was more expensive because it is harder to manufacture - electrolyte has to be sintered to the electrodes, much easier to inject a liquid.

Lithium is $12/kg. Sulphur is under $30/kg. Why is Lithium Sulphide $1,000/kg?

"Hello insurance!? I bought this 100kwh BEV battery off Aliexpress. And for a totally unrelated reason, my house burned down yesterday."

Sorry, but your videos are getting a bit flakey.

You have really good battery news coverage! Thanks!

hi Sam! i really enjoy your vids! keep it up Mate! 🙂

Price is much more imporrant than capacity or performance, so this could be a game changer.

Another problem with these "coming soon!" Announcements is that people are often comparing the energy density of the theoretical material to the energy density of an existing pack structure. Its apples to oranges.

New week, new breakthrough.

make sense... according to 2023 U N data, chinese inventors are posting some 14,000 more international patent applications, than the second-place U S...

No the problem is dendrite formation in the lithium sulfide. Lithium sulfide is by far the most high capacity energy storage medium we have have.... The details of preventing dendrite storage for long battery life just aren't solved yet..... But they're getting there and we will. The theoretical capacity of lithium sulfide batteries is seven times what current batteries capacities are, and practical applications demonstrated are about three times.... As of 2 years ago....760 wh/kg was lab demonstrated.

i used to drive a truck for a living (not very long - 3 months). the company that i worked for said doing 400-450 miles per day as a pro trucker was a good distance. -having said that, i wonder whether the same applies to cars? in other words, most people would never drive more than 400-500 miles per day, which means that EVs could be equipped with "lesser" battery packs that might give cars 600 miles of range rather than 1000 miles of range? -this would cut the price of the pack and still provide enough range to do 400-500 miles per day provided countries implement good charging networks. -would probably also be quicker charging? anyway, just thinking from a "standard trucking practice" perspective.... thoughts?

A battery that gives 500km of range and can be charged in less than 10 minutes should be good enough. It is more important to clean up the battery production process, such as removing synthetic graphite to reduce the carbon footprint.

I think these companies in China and Japan, exaggerator accomplishments to raise money. I would be very skeptical of this claim.

The import taxes will counter the price reductions to keep propping up oil and gas industry.

nio has at least working semi solid state batteries avaible in china or rather this summer. they used one already for over 1000km drive they made

I don't believe it till i see it .

Sam, haven’t you been saying that CATL’s silicon anode battery, at 500 wh/kg is already under mass production, and will be in evs very soon?

Is it possible to replace existing battery with a solid state battery when they become available ?

Cost is crucial. If they can make a product as good as CATL but way cheaper, then it's needed. When I was a kid, I used to watch a TV show in the UK called tomorrow's world. The dream of this show was that future people would have abundance, not have to work, and the environment would be maintained by machines. I loved it. That technology almost exists now, but people with power will always try to exploit. Imagine a green, clean earth maintained by fully renewable machines where nobody had to starve or suffer. It's a utopia that we will never reach, but we should keep chasing it so we don't end up with the opposite.

No more than 2 months ago, Electric Viking: solid stat batteries are dead. Today: lets do a 180 change in direction

We (USA) still won't have the capacity to charge them.

How do you put out so many videos so often you are a machine, i wasnt really into EVs until i hired one, now iam in love with EVs i will definalty buy one because you talked me into it.

There’s a reason cars are ideally around the 400 mile range. 1000 mile range is inefficient, as 99% of the time you’ll be hauling around that extra weight you won’t be using.

$1000/kg? More like $1000/tonne in scale. Don’t quote lab grade prices

Batteries are a function of - energy density, cycling ability, fast charging ability and cost. You can have 3 good but not all 4 good. SSBs have high cost and low cycle life.

I'll have to see this to believe it

This is what Gemini had to say about lithium dulphut bstteries "Lithium sulfide itself isn't actually considered expensive. Lithium-sulfur batteries, which are still under development, have the potential to be cheaper than lithium-ion batteries due to sulfur being an abundant and low-cost material. The high cost of lithium-sulfur batteries currently lies in the challenges researchers are trying to overcome to make them commercially viable. These challenges include short lifespans and capacity degradation"

Hmm. Beware of things which sound too good to be true...

Thank you for sharing this information. It is really interesting. I think SSB will be developed in the near future, and some other technologies will come along.

Could we all have electric light in our homes? Impossible!! Candles cannot be beat....1880. In 2024...

I thought CATL condenser batteries were higher than this?

🙋‍♂️ THANKS SAM , I THINK 🤔 WE ARE IN FOR AN EXCITING FUTURE 😎👍💚💚💚

It will be interesting to see when will either BYD or CATL start producing solid-state batteries. They're in a race with South Korean, Japanese and even American companies to make it to large-scale mass production.

battery tech is moving very fast.... i believe when it is in mass production and consumers are buying them.

What s about battery for solar. Would it be a game change to be able to have an affordable home battery that could store enough energy for uninterrupted use.

This has only one drawback, charging cycles.

It’s become like biotech where drugs that are just in the lab are hyped up before the clinical trials. That’s a long way from finding a way to manufacture at scale and be safe let alone produce with the corporation making growing earnings. Lab to eps is a LONG road.

Elon Musk will have to figure out how GM was able to get legislation passed to keep competition out. It's the one they excel in.

high density barriers are in high demand. Because electric aeroplanes need them for over 10 thousand km long haul flights!

Not sure Sam cheers mate

China's biggest electric-car maker, BYD, has agreed a $1bn (£780m) deal to set up a manufacturing plant in Turkey, as it continues to expand outside its home country. The new plant will be able to produce up to 150,000 vehicles a year, according to Turkish state news agency Anadolu. The facility is expected to create around 5,000 jobs and start production by the end of 2026. The deal was signed at an event in Istanbul attended by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and BYD's chief executive Wang Chuanfu. BYD did not immediately respond to a BBC request for further details on the deal. The announcement comes as Chinese EV makers face increasing pressure in the European Union and the US. Last week, the EU took action to protect the bloc's motor industry by raising tariffs on Chinese EVs. The decision saw BYD hit with an extra tariff of 17.4% on the vehicles it ships from China to the EU, which was on top of a 10% import duty. Turkey is part of the EU’s Customs Union, which means vehicles made in the country and exported to the bloc can avoid the additional tariff.

The Question is how heavy is it?

7:03 it's hard is code for it's an idea and we're working on it.

Litium sulfate chemistry is very complicated. The battery life is very short. Its a problem.

Let's not forget drones. Once we have lighter, longer range batteries for drones, it will revolutionize product delivery, surveillance, geological applications and wildlife observation. And military. But perhaps most world-changing will be air transportation: quad prop electric air cars are already in prototype, and longer range would make them a revolutionary reality. Exciting times ahead!

CATL’s latest LFP batteries are already in Chinese EVs, soon in Teslas. If you drive less than 300 miles (~480 kms) per day and can plug it in at night with a Level 2 charger, then no one needs more range. And 90% of the people drive a whole lot less than 300mi/day. Otherwise just keep on buying hundreds of gallons or thousands of litres of gasoline per year, whose exhaust fumes pollute the air that all of us breathe in and contributes to greenhouse gases. First replace one of your ICE vehicles, then a few months later your second one. AND you don’t need to buy new, buy used 3-4 year old. There’s very little that can break down on an EV. And maintenance costs are minimal. Answer one question, why do you want your kids to keep breathing in the exhaust fumes from your ICE SUV or car? The answer is that you don’t!

Viking, this article is bias from The Guardian. The title says " CATL, the little-known Chinese battery maker that has the US worried " Then it goes on to say " It is the world’s biggest battery maker, it powers electric vehicles for Tesla, Volkswagen and BMW, and its EV technology is miles ahead of US offerings, say experts " Is CATL most people have never heard of ?

Have you seen the metal free battery from Sakuu? Sandy Munro did video of it last week. How would that technology stack upto other batteries in development?

@Sam: light weight and low cost with added safety will always win. If that will ultimately be the solid state battery remains to be seen, you are right, but we need to explore many alleys to find the best solution. Imagine the SS battery goes through the same development as LiFePO4 and hits 1kWh / kg at cost per kWh competitive to LiFePO4. That will disrupt trucking and aviation, never mind cars... We need to look at this with the long term in perspective. It took more than 20 years to develop the PV panels we have today and the cost for producing them keeps dropping. The lab says it is possible, Elon is right to say that the mastery of producing it at an industrial scale with very low cost is the hardest. Today we see the advantages of that industrial development, the lab stuff was proven decades ago. Real progress hits the market when the cost is right. Only then. And that is why this video is encouraging, it says the Chinese have proven to slash cost by one degree of magnitude (10x) ... in the lab. But also it says current industrial processes to make these at scale is not too far out either. My guess is we need another 5 years. For people watching your channel that seems like an eternity. Because you hit them with 10 news items every day. It is all perception.

Don't worry, anything the Americans or Japanese come up with, Chinese will always come up with better ideas and products.

"its inevitable that this is the beninging"

Thank for this report. Hard to find a credible report on battery types..

A US Company, Sakuu, just invented a solid state battery that will be very compelling. China knows this & want to sell there batteries now before competition comes along.

Never stop research and development! Even though the results may be disappointing at first, solutions for tomorrow's problems depends on continued development of scientific breakthroughs. The world keeps changing. Indeed the first cars batteries based on Acid-Lead or NiCD or NiMh may not have been practical or economical but improvements in overall chemistry and manufacturing have made made today's EV based on Lithium a reality. So keep the research going by all means.

What happened to Toyota's Solid State Battery. Still holding my breath...NOT!

The most affordable technology will prevail! While charge time and range matter, once both the automotive industry and consumers agree on an acceptable standard and battery technology meets this criterion, cost will be the deciding factor. In my view, CATL is poised for dominance.

The currently mass produced Amprius batteries used by Formula E for example are 500 kWh /kg.

Not the first time I hear that the have solved the problem lithium sulfur . Probably every 5 years, then I hear criquets Last time I heard that they solved the longevity problem (not to many cycle).

Maybe lfp batteries are now excellent for cars and good for trucks…but not fit for ships and planes. So that could be the way to reduce emissions in those sectors.

Compared to other Lithium batteries, how many cycles do lithium sulfide batteries exceed over what is expected as in lithium batteries.

Yep, higher densities for lower costs are happening steadily which will achieve mass adoption inevitably at some point. 1000km battery is great for maybe 10% of the population but for everybody else a battery for half the cost is going to be a far more important factor eg. A 400km Ev for about 15 grand that needs almost nothing spent on it for the next 500,000km where most if not all of its driving is fueled by solar....

With solid state batteries, I will always want to know how many charge cycles it can achiieve. If a solid state battery only has half the cycles of regular lithium ion batteries, I would argue that it actually cost twice as much as the stated cost. My true cost of a battery must also factor in the life of the battery.

Nice!! Amazing!! Now they only need to make solid state batteries that actually work!🤣

Will wait to a western comp actually produces a product

Glad to hear this, but you need to share your sources.

Even if the price it too high for mass production we still need examples to do testing. Make the cars.

Instead of looking at things in terms of battery density kilowatt hours use MPCU (miles per charge unit). It could be bossed on the average amount of energy in a gallon of gas. It's simpler to say a vehicle gets 35 MPCU, or just MPC.

Becomes a bit like the cold war era, but this time the West is on the not-so-advanced side. Why can't we all just be friends? I've nothing against Chinese.

If it is possible to have such energy densities, then it would be feasible revolutionise the aero industry, shipping and road transport. As ever, we think that it will take time, however, whoever gets there first will find a vast business opportunity, hence the big rush.

This is how you put a dent in the universe.

China has a government backed solid state battery consortium called CASIP that combines the effort of battery makes including CATL and BYD, national labs and universities in an all of nation effort to dominate solid state. Even then they still said it'll be a few years away at least. So solid state is coming and China will dominate it, there's no doubt, but to say it's coming soon is a stretch.

No they are not!

My point of view is whatever happens in battery technology upgrades from here on is going to transform the players. Toyota has chosen not to be a player, and other legacy automakers as well. They could well be left holding the Baby so to speak or worse bankrupted.

this is great and it will further the ev industry for a long time() !! untill plastic-aluminum batts surface

Don't worry about evs. Can we just get a home battery that stores say 50 kWh and costs 90% less, then I'll buy a solar panel system and disconnect from the grid

I think the price of the new solid state batteries will replace the condensed battery, if the price is right

Hmm good, now.

Let's hope Biden doesn't put tariffs on that. I just hope both sides can share technologies and learn from each other.

Specific energy (e.g. kWh/kg) rather than energy density (e.g. kWh/litre)

Wait, "game changing"! Ill come back next week for the next one.😂 Cheers

I don't need more than 500 miles of range, and if LiS batteries can power a cheap car I'm waiting with bated breath.

This is cool, IF it gets past the R&D phase into real production. As for the goal of 1,000 miles of range, I personally would rather have 300 miles of range, with a much smaller battery pack. Most reporting shows that EV owners only use about 12% of their current pack capacity per day. And most EV owners recharge to full overnight at home. So I would rather NOT carry around 1200lbs of battery that I don't use. Lighter weight has many more benefits for daily driving than extreme range.

Range is all we need..