Back in the day. My singer climbed on my kick drum. So i him with my stick. And he make a sound. So its true you can hit anything to make a sound.

By the time they mic, eq, compress and mix an acoustic kit for live and studio, it is basically electronic anyway.

7:38 St. Anger...

This channel has been soo helpful! Thank you for all your time and help!

Edrums have made me an infinitely better drummer - when you can practice anytime for as long as you wish - it really starts sharpening your chops.

Awesome content man. I'm on the verge of buying my first electronic drum set and you've been so helpful.

I can't have an acoustic drumset where I live so I appreciate your input on the subject matter of edrums. Being a guitar player for many years I've heard some of the same arguments of acoustic vs electric and I appreciate your professional input in this area concerning drums. I love them both. Keep up the good work!

Superb points, as always, Justin. I'm a die-hard fan of electronic drums (since 2001). Love acoustic, too. But for recording? 99% of my recorded music comes from playing my Sonor Safari conversion kit, into Superior Drummer, which I've used almost exclusively for the past decade. Whatever gets the job done, indeed.... but also, huge advantage of being able to practice with headphones at 4am and truly enjoy every minute of it... changing my kit from a 2010 processed rock kit to a 1960s Gretsch or Yamaha Recording Custom with one click of a mouse...... it's just mind-blowing, how fun and practical/useful it all is. Thanks again for your awesome videos, man.

Have you ever used a tool other than a hammer to drive a nail? Did you "cheat" because you didn't use a "real" hammer? Did the recipient of the creation reject it because a "real" hammer was not used in its construction? These are tools - the "right" tool for the job is subjective. Why can't we simply enjoy what was created with these tools rather than be so concerned about which tools were used to create it? Deep thoughts, by Jon325 :)

I do the hybrid thing: Acoustic up front, cheap e-kit at the back. The acoustic set is for my “job”: Tracking, Twitch streams and other things like that. The e-kit is for experimenting, practice, working on time and just being more creative (as my module has play along songs I can create parts to). They both have their place and I use them to those strengths. I will say, I’ll always use acoustic live as I’ve seen WAY too many train wrecks on stage when something electronic fails. Great video, bro!

I am in band and i use an e drum at home and acoustic in band plus more percussion and i love both

I am new to drumming, and I started playing with a beautiful Ludwig classic acoustic maple set, but this year I moved homes. In my new home, I have neighbors closer in proximity and I have not been able to spend the thousands of dollars that would cost to build a silent room in my new place (over 10K because of all the retrofitting). So, reluctantly, and after not practicing or playing for over 6 months, I decided to give e-kits a try. The e-drums are different for sure, but it is pure joy to be able to play again. And for that reason - I am all in. I rather adjust and have fun, than not adapt and deprive myself of something I absolutely love! Thanks for the videos.

I can't stop watching your videos,I've learned so much about electronic drums from watching your channel.

I was one of those who didn't pay attention to EDrums and when I did, I thought they were toys; now, I own a Roland set that I bought a couple of months ago and I've become a huge fan. I love that you can have different drum sets instantly. And I'm one of those who did a lot of EDrum investigation and ended up loving the Roland sounds over the other companies.

Another plus - being a pro drummer, some gigs (churches, pubs, small venues) really benefit from the volume control Edrums allow w/out having to compromise your attack/playing style. Plus no need for a sound guy, mics, outboard sound gear just run your eKit out of the mains and invest in a couple of quality onstage monitors.

Good video man, appreciate you you taking the time - Anothet point many touring drummers use electric sets for warming/practice and then go out and play for 5K, 8K,10K or 15K people

I never thought I would buy an Edrum set. But I moved to an apartment in the city. I love playing drums for personal happiness. I do gig with musicians at local open mics. But I bought my first Edrumset. Nitro Mesh Kit. I did the math and this was the cheapest option without buying drum mics, sound proofing a room and buying other accessories like mixing board, interface etc. And of course practicing without getting evicted. I found your channel and I'm a new subscriber. Thank you.

It was hard playing drums in Nam, they’re so hard to move through the jungle.

Congrats Justin! Great video!

I have used the same pair of sticks with for over 15 years when I bought my first v-Drums TD-10.

I used to think electronic drums were inferior but the inability to get desired sound from my acoustic bass drums and snare drums drove me to try electrifying my acoustic drums with triggers…but couldn’t get the rim shot sound and so went to music stores and began testing floor sample electronic drums. Eventually settled on a Roland set years ago, then a Hart set and then back to Roland sets and then to the VAD 506 (with extra Tom). This was it! Fulfills the real drums look and feel and sound. For playing at home I’ll never go back to acoustic..TOO LOUD….terrible recording sound, no headphones…can’t match different drum sounds for different song requirements etc. They aren’t perfect but the overall flexibility and sound gets closer to the desired sound in my head than anything else I could afford. An excellent speaker amp is a must, though for playing without headphones! I don’t really play out anymore though I keep an acoustic set for that as very simple to set up for small venues where mics aren’t really required. Moving VAD drums and setting up is a bit too much for an older guy!

I've been watching your videos for a while and I think most of them are great so I'll subscribe since you've definitely earned it. I got myself a kit for christmas and will be putting it together soon. I also got SD3 with just download 1 and messed around with it for like a half hour and everything sounds awful in it. Might just be the midi song I imported has all midi notes at same strength/velocity and tons of extra notes because you end up playing 4-5 instruments at the same time and it wasn't like that in Guitar Pro before I exported the midi. Bottom line I am going to have to read the manual for SD3 and fix the sound to my personal taste.

Hi Justin, Great impartial yet informative video as usual. Not giving my age away but my first kit was a Simmons I bought in the mid 80s which I still own along now with a Roland purely so I could access e-cymbals (okay, mesh heads a massive improvement over rubber on chipboard). It’s like everything in life - there will always be ‘hatters’ of any change purely because it’s ‘different’. I have a full suspension ebike which to some immediately say ‘cheating’ to which I reply I’m still working out but having shit loads more fun - the same can be said of the e-drums. You could go on forever - a V12 Ferrari again a fully electric Rymac hyper car? You make your choice and pay 😎

One quick tip, as a sound guy. I'd like to always have at least 4 outputs. Kick, snare, and the rest. I like to do a bass key on the bass guitar which requires a separate kick. I also really like to have the snare separate. Not a deal breaker but often times I'll have more or less, even a different reverb on the snare to get what is needed in a big rock setting. Most modules worth their salt have this, it is just a matter of assignment. Just bought a set of electronic drums for the house. Look forward to learning.

Just watched . Well done. Thanks

I just bought myself an Alesis nitro for my room just to get some practice in, I’ve had it for a week and I think for the price it’s an amazing tool and I’ve seen some progress when I play acoustic

Several years ago, I had done some club gigs with a Roland TD-6....with the small rubber pads. Completely electronic. I got a lot on teasing from other musicians and bar patrons alike. "....Oh COOL, we're playing ROCK BAND, TOO??" But, with proper EQ and monitoring, the musicians I had worked with walked away with a different perspective. I really had no clue that I'd have that much innuendo to deal with. Because, I was also a gigging keyboardist in the Nashville area....yet NO ONE expected me to pull my truck up to unload a upright piano for a job...not ever. LOL... But, by the end of each gig, players I'd gig with would tell me that they weren't expecting much, and was pleasantly surprised. I must admit, after all this time...I still get jittery at the thought of gigging drums again, just because of all the bias.

myths busted! great video, Justin!

Good stuff. My wife had a decent acoustic kit but she lent it out for years to a kid band (good cause) and fell out of drumming in favor of bass. We got the kit back but I think she's intimidated by its volume. So I'm looking forward to surprising her with Roland TD17KVX this season. I can't wait to play it myself, though my drumming blows. 🎸 Seems like the practice/coach features might actually help one improve.

I've been playing acoustic for most of my drumming life and am slowly converting one of my acoustics to an e-drum kit and using old modules no less. I moved into an apartment recently and this allows me to practice without disturbing my neighbors. Eventually I will convert my stage kit to an e-drum kit and probably use an Alesis strike as the brain. Based on the response I have been able to dial in I see no reason why my final setup can't be used on stage or in studio. It will do whatever I want with less mic noise to deal with.

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Great explanation. Thanks!

Great video and great commentary! I don't have anything to really disagree with about what you said, but here's some thoughts on the whole situation. Electronic drums are better than acoustic drums for one very important reason - RECORDING. To get the same level of sound quality that you could get from something like the Mimic Pro or a kit running Superior Drummer 3 is far less than having to spend a few thousand dollars on a decent professional drum set, plus at least another $1000 for cymbals, a few hundred for all the hardware, even more on acoustic treatments, and God knows how much for all the microphones, preamps, cables, and all the other recording equipment involved. You're looking at over $10,000 easily and you still might not even get it to sound as clean and vibrant as a good VST unless you're an actual profressional studio engineer. And as far as dynamics go, we've all heard those Drum-tec demos and many of us know first hand that when you spend enough time adjusting the settings on your module you can get the drums feeling almost better than a real set. And this is only improving as the modules and triggering technology gets better. So the dynamics argument is almost moot. You could buy a used TD-20 or TD-30 kit and get Superior Drummer 3 going on a decent computer and this would cost about $4000 or $5000 at most, compared to over $10,000 that you'd have to spend on the acoustic recording setup. But if you're talking about the drum set itself without needing to do any recording, you could argue that a real drum set might be a better value at different price points.

Thank you for your videos. I'm thinking about getting a Edrum set and coming out of semi-retirement. Your info is greatly appreciated. One question on stage amplification. If you can eq and tailer your sound mainly from the module, then a powered floor monitor sounds like it makes sense. Use as a floor monitor when you have a decent PA, stand it up for the tiny bars. Or am I missing something?

I was happy to hear you take the opposite side and expose the flaws in your own preference of drums... like edrums losing value quickly over time and the bounce you can get is like cheating. You made a fine case for edrums without sounding completely biased and were very practical in your approach. You represented edrums well and made the benefits sound well grounded with a straightforward explanation and balanced it out by exposing their limitations and drawbacks.

Well I learned to play on my Roland TD4KP, so now I'm not a real drummer? Lol. Awesome vid!

Yeah your right even casey cooper an acoustic drum man used an electronic element in his kit to get a specific sound yea it really depends on what sound you're going for and what works best for you Btw the video i was talking about is the Closer drum cover by casey cooper one of my most favorite drummers

Hi. Your videos are great. I'm trying to decide which kit that costs less than 1000 euros is best for me and I think I'm going to go for the Yamaha DTX532K which sells for about 860 euros in my neck of the woods. At first I was thinking of getting the Alesis Surge Mesh for 600 euros but apparently the quality and sounds ain't great and I like having triple zone cymbals to be able to hit the bell. But I still have to go to my local drum store to try them out and compare. So thanks for all your very informative videos that have helped narrow down my choice. Just would like to point out that "tiny" is spelled with one n but everyone makes mistakes.

Josh Dun is the reason why i play Roland and SJC 💛 it‘s definetly not just for Kids

I was one of those that didn’t like edrums until I played a set of Roland. Busted any animosity I had toward them. Think I was actually more hung up on the appearance factor back then, 30 plus years years ago when bands were introducing the octagon shaped pads. This is no longer the case anymore. Long story short, When I started playing again after a fairly long layoff I started playing edrums and am very happy with the choice. And it doesn’t piss off the neighbors or the family when I play.

I've been an acoustic drum player, ever since I have switched to Roland TD 11kv and TD 9...there's no looking back. Its so much easier to get a clean neat sound. Even on stage, it sounds good with good PA system. Audience are happy. Although I must say Roland must make bigger shells rather than puny ones.

I've played with yamaha, roland and PinTech electonic pads. I agree that they do have more bounce than an acousic drum, but electronics have pluses. i currently own PinTech toms(4) and snare(1) and they are actually half decent for the price(789.00). Now the pluses: 1. Sounds 2. Less wieght 3. Way easier to tune

I'm not a drummer but I love playing drums in my home studio and I got now a new Alesis Crimson kit that I bought it cheap because there where something wrong on the snare drum witch I actually upgrade compare to the originale manufacture poorly material use that break easily with a better one and I bought a Hi Hat Alesis PRO X too. My question is: I love watching Steve Gadd videos, is an amazing great drummer with a drum sound that impress me every time. Does he ever played an electronic drum sett? or even en hybrid one? I tried to find out but I can't seams to find it....

i was so anti edrums till i saw the rush grace under pressure concert in 1985 and it got me to liking the sounds they produce and with a drummer like Neil it just got better over the years btw i gone and brought grace under pressure the next day after the concert just to hear songs like red sector A which was all electronic drums

Since I was back in Nam. 😂 Subbed!!!

Can an electronic drum kit be upgraded? Like add extra pads (extra toms, cymbals) that you can program a sound to?

Had there been a steam-driven youtube back in the day, we'd have had the same arguments over drummers who wouldn't entertain wire snares as they weren't as 'real' as cat gut! I played acoustic for 37 years until I went out a bought a DM6 and tried to get my head around this 'new fangled thing', and I'm glad I did. At the end of the day, what Justin has said is correct:- how you get the sound you want is immaterial. Getting the sound is EVERYTHING. It doesn't matter if that's from a hand made acoustic snare costing £2k+, or from bouncing a basket ball against a garage wall (Why do fools fall in love? by Frankie Lyman - check it out!). If an acoustic kit gives you what you want/need - great. If an electronic kit fits the bill, so what? I thought we were all in this to create music....????

HI buddy, Question: Have you (if not) will give a review/opinion on the Pintech VisuLite Cymbals??? I'm about to drop a serious amount on these..Are they the BEST ones out there, or are there better ones you can suggest?

11:12 Electronic drum heads ARE easier to get a fast motion out of, I agree. You can play a lot faster on an electronic kit. I have 2 things to say about this. 1. So what? Electric guitars are a lot easier to play quickly on than acoustic guitars. I can heckin' SHRED on an electric. It's harder to do on an acoustic, and that's okay. That's a strength of the e-kit. Tuning your heads down or replacing the heads with "real" feeling heads is like putting super heavy strings on an electric guitar so that it "feels more like an acoustic". 2. Playing on something that allows for faster movement builds the neural pathways that it takes to play at that speed. It will speed you up if you play on it consistantly. You will be faster when you move back to the acoustic in my experience.

GREAT video!

Nice video! can you do some drum covers please?

the other day i watched you video on what kickdrumbeater to use and plastic seems the way to go. How does that apply to sticks? wood or nylon tip? plastic, wood or carbonfibre sticks? i have seen that some brands offer sticks specifically designed for e-drums, but how do those sticks differ from "regular" sticks?

I would love for you to do a video on cEvin Key of "skinny puppy". He's notorious for being a pioneering in the whole concept of electronic drums! He called his Drum kit "drumasaurus"

Can you do a video on cymbal triggers? Do they even exist? It would be nice to take an acoustic set and put triggers everywhere and use software or drum replacement instead of e-cymbals. I hope I’m making sense.

Modestly following this subject. I have ZERO experience with any musical instrument and really only started looking into these because I found them at Costco for what seemed like a decent price. So I am curious about them, do you need speakers or do these sounds project out from the instruments like acoustic drums? Do you need to wear headphones to hear all the nuance. Interesting to me as I recently watched a video about the Kemper Amplifier Modeler and replacing stacks with a little s/w enabled unit that most can’t tell the difference. I can see this in a similar light.

Hey Man, I totally agree with what you say and I am sure that we will soon have more electronic kits than acoustics in the future, but... Imagine, if Steve Gadd and a beginner drummer were in the same room playing the same electronic drumkit they will sound exactly the same. Isn't that a shame? I really hope that electronic kits will one day reach a level that will allow drummers to still develop a distinctive sound and feel.

2:28 he skipped Josh dun, saw what you did there lol

Grate job keep up the good work thank you..

Great video

Can you plz do a video where you record drums with music. I liked Korn/Slipknot/Purims growing up, can you do styles of music that are not just classic rock/jazz but maybe get into some modern "harder" music? If you could do Purims covers that would be incredible to see how the edrums compare. I have looked for years to find people recording with electric drums but it's super rare to find. Thanks!

How did you get that first ezdrummer kit sound? Was there a specific kit you bought to get that sound?

Look at Thomas Lang!!! He's using both. He's very professional drummer. When he needs acoustic for recording or performance then he use it. When he needs Electronic drums for practice , performance or recording dance music then he use it. For him acoustic and e-drums are Just tools. Great Channel Justin BTW. Sorry for my skill language ;)

Hey Justin, Merry Christmas! So I just bought a Yamaha DTX 532K yamaha kit and I've never played drums before. This will be my starter kit and I'm wondering will they have everything I'll need to learn, or is there anything I should upgrade right off the bat?

Justin - Great video as always but can you plz make a video about which laptops are good enough (cheap and above) for playing EZDrummer (and similar software) using EDrums?

Tiny (small) != tinny (sounding thin and metallic) Was that a typo? Which was intended?

Yes and there are some pro drummers out there who use complete electronic drums live for example the last Motley Crue tour tommy lee used pearl tru trac heads with acoustic cymbals but the better they get the more you see it used

I am new to edrums coming from a high school drummer with 1 or 2 years of experience. I need something to practice and my family doesn't like loud noises. I need something to practice on that will last at least 5 years. Doesn't have to have great sounds not performing with it. I am relatively small and have a budget of about $ 300-500. Any recommendations any help is really appreciated. I was thinking something like an Alesis nitro but was wondering is it worth the extra 200 dollars for a forge? I'm used to a 14" snare so is it worth 200 dollars to get an 11" instead of an 8"?

4:13 how the hell did you get that double kick sound when the kick pedal is moving only once? What is this sorcery?

These arguments always crack me up. Guitar players have been using electric guitars for years and no one gives them a hard time 🤷🏻‍♂️

I was typing out my analogy between keyboards and pianos/e-drums vs. acoustic when you read my mind and said it for me, LOL >:) ;)

In my opinion hitting an acoustic snare is way better but some edrums have such great sound and feel that I wouldn’t mind it.

can vh-11 v-hi-hat work on td-1k or not

hey justin, my friend wants to know if he should get the roland td1k or the alesis forge, i thing he should get the forge but i figured i would ask you first

Bruh how do you get that sick double with your right foot? That looks sick as fuck

I love my Roland TD-12s!! One of my favorite ways to practice is to grab my headphones, plug my iphone into the module and drum with my favorite bands! And....no one hears me!

Wish VST companies would release their sound libraries on SD cards - no need for a PC - modules would just read the samples from an SD card?

It doesn’t help the edrum cause when a lot of lower end sets look like children’s toys. I have an Alesis strike pro SE, and I love it with all my heart. Lol so my stomach dropped when you immediately named Alesis as the brand that loses value quickly. Being a drummer is hard because you do always have to worry about pissing people off. In walks mesh head e-kits. Thank you, science! I know my set is keeping me skills sharp as well as making me better because I can play almost as often as I want. Good video sir!

I find that thiner stick brake less. Physic behind that is thin sticks are flexible. And fat stick are stiff and brittle.

Essentially when you mic a kit in a stadium, the audience are hearing electronic drums.

E Drums are amazing. They are different from acoustics. Just like a piano is different from a keyboard. I've owned many e-kits. The only flaw that I can find is the FEEL of the rubber cymbals and bells.

I'm getting one for christmas:o

When CD was first introduced to the market, people claimed that vinyl is the real music, nowadays you can hardly find vinyl records anymore.

Maybe you can answer a silly question for me. Let's take for example an electronic drum kit, by let's say Roland or Yamaha... Let's say that module is expandable... And you can add 2 or 3 extra toms, and a couple extra cymbals. You plug them into the module. Now what happens? Does the brain automatically add that drum or cymbal to all the preset kits? Or do you have to go inn and actually program is sound and or toning into the module? Like, does it know the drum's position? Like if you added the 2nd floor tom and and extra 2 crashes... Does it know where you put it and it's position, and automatically adds that from into everything?? Something I've always wondered... Also... Do you think it's better, if I've already got an acoustic kit, just to buy silent mesh heads, triggers and a module? And just be able to switch between acoustic and electric, or silent kit relatively quickly and easily, by swapping the heads? Instead of having a whole other fully fledged electronic kit, rack, etc... which do you think is better? I've never had a full fledged electric kit, though I've played TONS of them. And I have a lot of fun with them. In essence, I feel if I just do that, I could have the best of BOTH worlds, with the existing stuff I already have...??? The only thing I wish to add is a rack, and, to ditch ALL the tripod stands. I have my eyes on a rolling rack that I can add stuff to and modify...

Yep. I get what you mean by playing in silence to the neighbors...and I get what you mean by getting a good pair of headphones due to the distracting -tack-tack-BAP-THUNK I hear when using an amp. I have a $50 pair of Shure headphones...they are meh but going for the Sennheisers HD 579 open back For $99 on Amazon

do whatever you want and don't feel pressure to justify yourself

If there is anyone new to e-drums and want to understand some of the lingo, a few years back I made a small tutorial : www.instructables.com/id/Electronic-Drums-Lingo/

Even I am no drummer at all, I want to add one more myth to that list: electronic drums have the so called maschine gun effect. I mean the effect that every drum stroke might sound the same. I know it‘s not true and I am very interested in what the industry does to avoid that. I guess it‘s done by velocity layering. Or is it adding some randomness into the sounds? Or is it both? And how many different samples are used (per pad)? 3, 5, 20? Are left and right strokes also detected seperately? How many samples are needed to sound more natural? As you can see I‘m quite interested in that topic. Cheers

Jay Weinberg of Slipknot is definitely a real drummer, and he warms up and practices at home with Roland TD50 and VAD 506 kits. He does covers on his channel using them that are mind boggling, especially the latest Code Orange cover he did on the 506. Anyone questioning if a good edrum kit can hold up to brutal punishment should go check it out.

I think were going to see elctronic kits take over. With how much they improve constantly they are going to grab the attention of more and more drummers. My self included

My boy Danny Carey

I play so many weddings in rooms with marble walls, floors, ceilings... i would rather "cheat" to give the bride and her guests the best experience possible than to set up an acoustic in those rooms and have everyone leave because its to loud.

I think those crappie sounding from 80s and some of the lame music from the 80s give edrums a bad wrap. Now I think edrums and pads triggers are awesome. To be able to have say bongos or congos or whatever while you are playing an acoustic. Without having a Percussionist with you.

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Facts bro you do play faster in an electric drum set, but wouldn’t call it cheating. If you actually get edrums the same size as an acoustic so you’re able to have the same stretch you’ll find yourself playing the same speed

I’ll have to disagree with saying “electronic drums is like cheating cause you can play faster on them “... Well I can drive faster in a Ferrari than I can in a geo metro so does that mean real racing should be done in the geo metro? So I see that as being more of a pro than being a con because the electric kit like you said can be fitted with different heads to give you the acoustic drum feeling response as well as having the option of a faster bouncier response from say the Roland mesh heads. Where an acoustic kit you don’t get that option unless you tune them so tight compromising the sound.

buy both!

I am serious about drums - which is why I play electronic, so I can practice more at home 😎

Can you really tell the difference between an acoustic drum set, that uses mikes, and a mixer and edrums? Mind games!

I play electronic almost exclusively, but they are trouble. There is always something I have to figit with and once they start giving trouble; yes, you can always fix them but they just become more and more unreliable.

7:41 Trash cans? You'll be telling me they hit oil drums with baseball bats next....................😁😁😁🤘🤘🤘