Element Optics Helix 6-24X50 Scope vs the Optisan EVX 6-24X50 FFP

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Element Optics Helix 6-24X50 Scope vs the Optisan EVX 6-24X50 FFP

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The Optisan Optics EVX FFP has been my favorite scope and has seen daily use for over a year. It has resided on several rifles and has never left me wanting and never missed a beat.
So can the SFP Helix from the newcomer, Element Optics, knock it off its perch as my go-to scope on my daily shooter? Does it have features, like a resettable zero stop, that I will deem essential for all future scopes? Are the turrets as crisp as the designers and pro-staffers say they are?
What we have set out to do is show you what we are seeing. This is our first optics review. We created an “eye chart” for scopes, and took photos (using a SideShot Phone Mount with a 50/50 prism and an iPhone 11 Pro) of the chart with both scopes at 30 meters. Those unedited photos are presented to you, so you can make the comparison for yourself.
We’ve also included some slow-mo video (using an EagleVision Mount with a 25/75 prism and a GoPro 7 Hero Black) of some wine bottle shooting we were “forced” to do shortly after we set the Helix up on Saber Tactical’s new Chassis for the FX Dreamline. These clips were shot at 20 yards.
While our intent with this video is to provide you with the information you can use to make good purchase decisions, I am prepared to say that if FFP is not a deal breaker, then the Helix is the scope to beat in this price range in terms of build quality and visual (through the tube) appeal. If you want a sub $500 scope and it has to be FFP, the Optisan EVX is still the optic to beat in my book.
As to the equipment used in this video...here’s the list along with links to where you can get yours. All the equipment in this video was purchased by, and is owned by, members of the Wisconsin AirGunners group.
Element Optics Helix
element-optics...
FX Dreamline (.22 cal)
utahairguns.com
fxairguns.com
Saber Tactical Chassis
sabertacticali...
Accu-Tac Bipod
www.accu-tac.com
DonnyFL Tatsu
donnyfl.com
JSB Hades Pellets
www.schulzdiabo...
www.pyramydair...
EagleVision ScopeCam Mount
eaglevisioncam...
This is an affiliate link and I do get a small kickback if you order from it-Full Disclosure)
SideShot ScopeCam
www.side-shot....
GoPro Hero 7 Black
www.bestbuy.com

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@ral446 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video PJ. I've been looking at the Helix for a while but haven't yet purchased it. You must have had a lot of time invested in editing all of this material together. I appreciate it.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

You are right, the editing is the time consuming part! When it helps someone it makes it worth it. Thanks for saying something.

@BullseyeBob 4 жыл бұрын

Wow.....definite difference in clarity!! 😮

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, especially given the price and the build quality.

@woodsman2433 4 жыл бұрын

Mounted one of these on my Dreamline Classic a couple of months back, your video has proven i made a good choice many thanks

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Woodsman243 enjoy!

@tasoszacharias9111 4 жыл бұрын

Many thanks man! The exact comparison that I was looking for! Great Job also!!! Bravo.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@philiphodge4254 Жыл бұрын

Great review. Looking at buying one of these in the UK 🇬🇧 Keep up the great reviews. 😎👍🇬🇧🇺🇸

@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@rzage1 3 жыл бұрын

I just ordered the Titan and can’t wait till it gets here after seeing your video , Thanks !

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it!

@AirRifleActivities 4 жыл бұрын

Being an owner of an Optisan EVX 6-24x50 F1 myself, I simply had to watch that review! And I must say you've done a very good job. Bravo, PJ! I love the fact that you're using meters and that obviously you are a Mil shooter - so am I 😉 I am pretty impressed by the Mil reticle of Element Optics and the fact that the parallax is in meters. The parallax on the Optisan has always been a bit hard to adjust to the right distance, especially when filming through the scope when it matters most. Thanks for sharing, now you got me thinking about an Element in FFP 😉

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! I will be looking at a Titan in the future.

@josefhaber4675 8 ай бұрын

Hi. What you guys think about the clarity of lenses between optisan an element optics? I have the optisan evx fp1 6-24×50 and I was thinking about changing it an element scope. The thing to don't like about the optisan evx is the parallax. It it too laggy you cannot measure the distance on parallax.

@northballistics 4 жыл бұрын

Can totally see the big difference. I’m stoked to receive mine!!

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Love mine!

@larrycoleman2225 4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the video! Definitely been on my short list so enjoyed seeing and hearing your experiences with it.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Larry.

@leftymadrid 4 жыл бұрын

Received my Element Optics Helix 6-24X50, it is my latest upgrade for my air rifle. Very, very nice scope, excellent in my opinion...

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

leftymadrid hard to go wrong with it.

@casperboo5465 4 жыл бұрын

You can certainly tell the difference Pg, thanks for this, Cheers

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Casper Boo you are welcome!

@rasberryrl 2 жыл бұрын

Loved the video, thanks. Just wondering why you didn't compare the FFP Helix to the FFP Optisan?

@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a simple matter of not having both of those scopes available to me. The EVX I have in FFP doesn’t film well when compared to the SFP Helix. Good scope, but it’s easier for the camera to work with the simpler SFP lens arrangement.

@brockedwards5896 4 жыл бұрын

Where do you get the 3D printed scope sticker rings?

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

We made those but are not 100% satisfied with the design yet.

@james1795 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@MrNienh 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Definitely has good glass.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

And because your eye is a better camera than any camera, what you’ll see is clearer than what I’m able to show.

@Blckpaw 4 жыл бұрын

@wisconsinairgunner, I got a EO Helix MRAD which is waiting for the FX Crown Continuum to arrive, so your positive feedback really makes me happy I got the Helix. I guess time will tell on how the EO scopes last, but I think it is a scope you will have for years to come if you choose to do so. May I have your opinion?

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

I agree that they put the money into the right spots. The glass is excellent. It was designed to be dialed. It has a lifetime warranty. I’ve looked through three of them and they all have the same level of clarity, and the reticles are all perfect.

@Blckpaw 4 жыл бұрын

Wisconsin AirGunners I agree the money was spent where it should be when the developed and created the scope.

@bryanwilliams3524 3 жыл бұрын

After 4 months how do you feel about HELIX Scope. Sir. Good channel 👍🏻

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

Still loving it. I've gotten so used to MIL and the crisp turrets that I'm having trouble with my pull to turn MOA scopes.

@myminuteofangle7313 3 жыл бұрын

nice . just one quick comment besides thank you . one of the issues I have with scope cam footage is getting the ridicule in focus along with the image it seemed with the element you were having the same issue...were you able to get both dialed in? getting one or the other is easy but both always seems to be a challenge.

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

The trick, if there is one, is to use the camera to focus the reticle, and then do the rest with the parallax wheel. It helps to use a camera that allows you to manually set, or at least lock the focus.

@sid35gb 10 ай бұрын

So just watched the video and was thinking shooting those bottles of wine did he take his air gun to an intervention 😮

@WiscAirGunners 10 ай бұрын

Something like that.

@kerrylittle3900 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I just purchased the Helix yesterday to go on my new FX Impact MRK11 gun. Haven't had the chance to use it yet. Been raining constantly since I bought it. Can you explain in one of your videos what and how to use the parallax ring on the scope? I have to wear glasses all the time. Would that be used so I wouldn't have to wear glasses to sight something in? Sorry. Kinda new to the air gun scene. I bought an FX Streamline a few years ago. Very nice and accurate too but doesn't hold as much air as the Impact. Using a hand pump is pretty tiring so have a small compressor on order. What do you use for a compressor or recommend. So for so many questions.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

There are two adjustments you will want to look at. The first is the focus for the eye-piece.It's at the near end of the scope. When you have the scope on your rifle, use that ring to focus the reticle so it is clear. You may be able to make the adjustment without your glasses on. Most people I know who wear glasses shoot with glasses, but you'll have to try it. It' best to try that while you are looking through the scope at a light colored wall. Don't worry about the whole image being in focus, focus the reticle first. Once that is done, the parallax wheel is used to bring the downrange image into focus. When that happens, you should have a focussed reticle and a focussed image. If you don't use the parallax adjustment, meaning shooting when it's blurry, it can contribute to inaccuracy. If you learn to use the wheel and the range demarkations on it can also be used a s a rough range finder. Focus, read off the range on the wheel. I hope this helps. PJ

@kerrylittle3900 4 жыл бұрын

@@WiscAirGunners Thank you for your kind reply. I might have had my terms mixed up. When I said parallax I was meaning the focus ring where you look into the scope. Sorry, but you did enlightened me properly. I never needed glasses in my 40's and had perfect vision. Slowly with age it got a lot worse. T

@outdoortechheadadventures 4 жыл бұрын

Nice review. 👍 Have you found any option for a sidewheel on the Helix, or any Element scope? I would like to have that for Field Target purpose.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

I have not, though as they get into the hands of the 3D printing folks I expect you’ll see some. The shape of the dial seems like it will be a solid lock up with a properly mated wheel.

@dougdishler2086 4 жыл бұрын

Great video PJ how do I get my hands on one of them Wisconsin Airgunners scope chart that’s was neat

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Doug Dishler where can I email it to you?

@bryanwilliams3524 3 жыл бұрын

Thx I own Nexus it’s great. Thinking 🤔 helix. I’ll get it know thx

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen a Nexus, but would love to!

@garrettlutzow1732 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Do you think the Element Helix could handle the recoil of a 30-06 without loosing zero?

@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын

They tested it up to .50 cal, so I don't think it would have a problem and they have a solid warranty.

@tonyhowell32 4 жыл бұрын

Ive had one a for a week now - replaced an 8-32X56 Sidewinder - which felt like trying to look down a straw! the helix is waaaay better

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Tony Howell I have a 4-16x50 Hawke, and I don’t think it’s as clear as the Optisan, which is why I started with it. I may do a side by side on that one in the future.

@tonyhowell32 4 жыл бұрын

@@WiscAirGunners probably!! I have a hawke 6-24 X50 (on my dreamline) which is way easier to use that the 8-32, then on my crown and wildcat I have the Hawke Compacts 6-24X50 which are great but I think the Helix is better than them now!

@BrianB3788 Жыл бұрын

PJ are you guys selling the 3D printed elevation caps for the Optisan

@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын

No, one of our guys made a few prototypes but never got it “good enough” to where he felt it was worthy of selling.

@zoltanwelscher2882 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Video ! Perfect Helix. Paralax =meter 👌 Mrad✅

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

You are correct. On the MRAD scope the parallax is in meters.

@22lr_plinking 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to try a helix in ffp but in the pics you posted the reticle is near invisible I’ve tried a ffp a long time back and it was Same way,

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

It's really hard for manufacturers to hit it right with a wide range of magnifications and an FFP scope.

@22lr_plinking 3 жыл бұрын

@@WiscAirGunners very true. I would like to find a scope in the $400-$500 range with zero stop and good turrets. Moa reticle.

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

@@22lr_plinking I haven't seen the new Helix FFP, but I've heard good things.

@22lr_plinking 3 жыл бұрын

@@WiscAirGunners I will check that one out. Thanks much

@jorgemacchiavello9988 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, great review. How is the optical quality of this scope compared to the Hawke Sidewinder 30 6-24x56? Thanks.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

I only have a 4-16 FFP to compare it too, and the Helix is clearer.

@luislopes3803 3 жыл бұрын

Hello. I'd like to realise the difference between the helix SFP display and the FFP helix. I'm going to buy one and I'm very doubtful. Thank you

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't sen the FFP in person, but I do know some specifics. First, it's First Focal Plane, so the reticle will grow and shrink with the zoom. That often means it will be tiny at low magnification and thick at higher magnification. I do have a Titan, and I can say that one is usable at all magnification levels. Second, it's a dirty reticle. That means it has a bunch of hold over and windage points marked below the center line. If I get my hands on one, I'll publish testing results.

@bigmixx76 3 жыл бұрын

Nice review just ordered the helix got a question for you what GoPro side mount do you can do you recommend

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

I have a SideShot and a EagleVision. Both are very good with the GoPro Hero 7 Black. The EagleVision is easier to move from scope to scope. The SideShot is not permanently mounted, but it does have a ring that goes on the scope that makes installation very sure and quick. The SideShot is a 50/50 prism, and great is open fields. It was designed by prairie dog shooters in Utah. The EagleVision comes in 50/50 or 25/75, which has an advantage if you shoot in the woods. I can recommend both. I have both, and I use both, depending on the application. If you go EagleVision I have an affiliate link, and it helps the channel if you use it. eaglevisioncam.com?ref=1297

@bigmixx76 3 жыл бұрын

Wisconsin AirGunners thanks for getting back to me I like the look of the side shot GoPro I have the side shoot phone mount but I do shoot in the woods in my yard the most

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

@@bigmixx76 I started with the phone one and then bought the GoPro version. Now I have rings on multiple scopes and it's easier to switch from scope to scope.

@bigmixx76 3 жыл бұрын

Wisconsin AirGunners thanks for your help I order the side shot and the Eagle vision lens my GoPro 7 to go with Helix

@bigmixx76 3 жыл бұрын

Lol I order The eaglevision with your link the side shot is nice but i shoot in the woods so I need more light

@luislopes3803 3 жыл бұрын

The best

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@zoltanwelscher2882 4 жыл бұрын

Hello! Element Helix (MRAD) vs. Discovery 5-30 × 56 FFP? Do you think so?

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Zoltán Welscher I’ve never seen a Discovery in person. I’d love to do the test, so if the opportunity presents itself I’ll do it.

@bryanwilliams3524 3 жыл бұрын

Element nexus. 5-20-50. Amazing quality. I’ll never part with it. 👍🏻

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

I've not had my eyes on a Nexus yet, but hope the opportunity comes my way!

@KurtCira 4 жыл бұрын

Question: In your videos the Helix retical seems almost invisible where the Optisan seems very clear. What can you say about that?

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Kurt Cira the EVX is FFP, so at maximum magnification the reticle is proportionately thick. The Helix is SFP, and the reticle is, well, just right for me. I have bad, old man eyes. I need cheaters to read menus and use big fonts for texting. I use the “fast focus” as they call it to focus the reticle for my eye, and the parallax wheel to adjust the down range view. I choose to set up the GoPro to match the down range focus, and it just looks past the reticle. I could set the reticle to be less sharp for me, and you’d see it more clearly, but I didn’t in this case.

@KurtCira 4 жыл бұрын

Wisconsin AirGunners, thanks, that makes things “clear”! 😃 Where are you located? Are there meetings or events? I just moved back to Wisconsin after 20 years in South Florida, now in West Bend. I would like to get involved with airgunning with more modern PCP equipment to replace my old, but nice, Beeman R7 springer. I have been watching lots of videos but have yet to pull the trigger on getting one. It would be nice to meet some people in the sport when Covid is knocked back.

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Kurt Cira we may host something next summer that we could extend invites to. We are Wausau, north and west for the most part.

@5Komma5 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Optisan 6-24x50F1i in mil. I looked at the Helix scopes but the package is not very interesting. I find the reticle WAY too busy and 15 meters min parallax is too much on an air gun. My next good scope will most likely be another Optisan. The only thing I really hate about my Optisan is mil clicks with imperial parallax wheel - WTF?

@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Some decisions I don't understand. I've heard very good things about Optisan's new compact scope.

@grimwoodsg7244 3 жыл бұрын

What are you doing wasting wine are you insain lol

@christhomas4260 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that Optisan a mil scope. Didn't think they did MOA

@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын

You are correct about the Optisan being a mil/mil scope.

@usernamemykel 2 жыл бұрын

Why is their MUSIC interfering with your presentation???????????????????????????????? Totally unnecessary and distracting.

@dougdishler2086 4 жыл бұрын

Cannot wait Pj got mine on its way from Spaw your video sold me man !!! Can u DM me on Instagram for some of them scope reference charts??? And by the way can u call my wife and explain to her where all my money is going!!! Lmao love the videos.. no man really she thinks Iam on drugs lol!! Call her man

@WiscAirGunners 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry I haven’t sent the charts yet. Hard to get the pdf off my mac onto my phone to get it sent. I’ll figure it out!