Thank goodness. More need to know of Elgin's greatness. Barry and Havlicek get shortsighted as well. And I could name more.

Mick A I would match Elgin, Barry, Havlicek, and Gus Johnson against any eras top four small forwards. Gus was strong and athletic but was only 6'7" and could play inside or outside.

Totally agree. Gus, like Cunningham, had his career cut a bit short by injuries.

@@Amick44 most def Hondo probably the first greatest 6th man of all time that was a two way 3 level scorer in today’s standards.

❤️ elgin baylor NBA basketball legend

We don't need them. Thanks WCA wilt chamberlain legacy has been trending upwards for the past 6years among the younger generation. And it something other than the 20k

❤ elgin baylor, one of original nba basketball players to created their shots with Jerry west, very sad, great card player&, leader,, ❤ watching him

Agreed. As far as Small Forwards go......Elgin Baylor is the best Small Forward of all-time.

I'm a huge fan of both Elgin and Bron and recognize each of them has great passing intuition and extraordinary court vision. But LeBron is for sure one of the best passers in league history (you may check out Thinking Basketball's detailed analysis of Bron's passing) so saying Elgin's passing exceeds Bron's may be a little unfair

@@anqipu6021 that may be an unfair assessment. But Thinking Basketball is the last person to go to for information on players. His analysis is WAY too biased to be taken seriously.

Jerry West could do whatever he wanted as far as his handles go, either hand.

Connie hawkins was a basketball magician dribbling/ handling the basketball super hugh hands

im 15 and I completely agree, baylor is without a doubt the most underrated player in nba history, i told my friend about him and he said whos that, and i said exactly, all this crap about these kids saying curry is the best and lebron and jordan are the best, dont know about the greats, mikan, frazier, oscar, kareem, wilt, baylor, west and plenty more

Elgin is 0-8 in the finals. First year he retired his team won the champion ship

So what? Jerry West is 1-8 in the finals. Wilt only won two rings. Both athletes arguably the best players at their positions since Naismith nailed that peach basket against the wall. And Wilt, if you know his sports history, was probably the most athletic of all athletes who have ever played in the NBA.

Well lebron and MJ are better than baylor no question saying that doesn't mean he is not an all time great and it doesn't mean you don't recognize his godlike basketball skills, but he is not a better player than lebron and jordan that's for sure. I feel like the same way some younger ignorant people tend to only look at players of their present time the older generation also is very bias and kinda disrespectful to the present stars. Looking at the situation with objectivity, Baylor is very underrated but the game was a different game in his time, if compare strictly what you see on the tape he ain't in LBJ OR MJ's league but then you gotta include the fact that if he was born 20 years later with the same natural talent how good could he have been. Botton line is, I don't have a guy like Bill Russell im my top 5 (clearly there have been at least 5 players that were better than him individually in NBA history) or Baylor in my top 15, but I can still respect and recognize their greatness and I think tha's what it is all about, appreciating the history of the game with objectvity

+Luckymag 2016 top 15?! are you crazy, jordan is better, lebron isnt..

tunanorth Actually, Earl "The Pearl" Monroe averaged 41 in one season during his short-stint with Baltimore.

tunanorth Elgin Baylor invented hangout, first player with Jerry West to create his own shot

NO ONE ever gives credit to our Pioneers🤔that's crazy, WAKE THEM UP✌

Nope. Jordan is no.2 in that regard. Assuming you're talking NBA here.

@@Romamb Nope. Better check again. Baylor averaged 38.3 in the 61-62 NBA season, which surpasses MJ's best year. Everybody forgets to check to see who came in second behind Wilt Chamberlain in the scoring race that year!

Elgin never beat wilt 1 on 1 not once ever.

I understand why you say "...without a ring" as he didn't play in a single game of a winning Championship Finals series, but he does have a Championship Ring for the year he retired in midseason of the Laker's 1972 Championship Season. (But if they hadn't awarded him with that ring, I would wholeheartedly agree with you as him being the hands down "Best Ever Player Without A Ring" over my favorites; Dominique Wilkins, Stockton/Malone & of course Sir Charles BARKLEY with honorable to Pistol Pete Maravich.)

@@richcarrCCC I think Meadowlark Lemon Elgin Baylor and Pistol Pete are the most underrated players ever. All three are on my alltime team.

@@fatalsniper3413 hes underrated but I dont have him above pistol or earl monroe jerry west or mj at sg.

@@dustincobb5718 You are completely wrong about that. I have a clipping of an article that I could find and photograph, and post that recounts Wilt talking about that. The article was originally an interview with Wilt about how he thought Kareem was dissing him by implying that he [Wilt} never played against any great centers. Wilt reels off a list of great centers - Russell, Thurmond, Reed, Lanier, Bellamy, Kareem himself, etc that he played against. He then says, and this is almost a direct quote, 'Frankly, I think too many people dunk on Kareem. Hardly anyone dunked on me. I still have nightmares of when Elgin Baylor dunked on me '.

They should mention elgin baylor before Michael jordan lebron James as legendary nba players

@@lloydkline6946 well Elgin was the first superstar to have a true complete, all around game. The original.

govols2214. Yeah, you played against your rivals more often.

I disagree players are more athletic today as a whole. With less tech kids worked harder growing up in their day. 2nd reason the rules changed when the two hand check was removed players could do more athletic looking moves because they wouldnt get hurt. Plus with a three point line defenders guard further out making drive lanes to the basket happen more often.

And Jerry West for his position maybe better. Better because West was the best defender at both guard positions, became a point guard his last 4 years. Led the league in assists after Coach Sharman asked him to lead the league, 9.8 assists. AND 25 point per game, sheesh.

He was. That good. He is right there with MJ, Magic and Larry.

Many of the voiceovers on the clip call Baylor "underrated." It's untrue. Forgotten or ignored, absolutely. But anybody who followed basketball in the 60s or 70s knew him as the gold standard for forwards. A victim of something that started happening in the 90s, when people began fetishizing "rings" as a lazy man's yardstick for greatness.

DCP, that is a superb explanation. Gold standard for forwards and the original, creative, all around star.

DaveConleyPortfolio preach, try to tell that to Jordan fans lmao

Ace Williams maybe the first basketball player to create his own shot along with Jerry West, invented the airwalk

Got my vote ❤️ elgin baylor

Elgin baylor was a basketball pioneer with George mikan, bill Russell, wilt, connie Hawkins, Jerry west, bob cousy etc etc

Kobe has also said that he's studied Elgins footwork. Using the right foot as the pivot.

Wrong Michael stole David Thompson

DT took from Elgin though!

Micahel's mimicked moves from many players not just Baylor-it's why he was so entertaining and unstoppable.

stfu

Hey Man! Your Videos are Awesome and Keep the good work coming if you can. Also who is your greatest player of all time in your opinion?

Wilt!

WCA deserves some kinda Acadamy Award for Best Documentary...

Can you make a video on Doctor J, Magic, Big O, Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Wes Unseld and/or Tiny Archibald.

hey wilt Chamberlain archive i watch all your videos and i think 60‘ is a beatiful era the greatest ever with jordan era i write you my personal top 40 of all time honorable mentions: reggie miller,john havlicek,sam jones,bill walton,alex english,clide drexler,Derrick rose,george gervin 40)walt frazier 39)ray allen 38)patrick ewing 37)russell westbrook 36)kevin durant 35)gary payton 34)pete maravich 33)tracy mcgrady 32)paul pierce 31)bob pettit 30)chris paul 29)moses malone 28)dwayne wade 27)bob cousy 26)scottie pippen 25)stephen curry 24)david Robinson 23)allen iverson 22)kevin garnett 21)rick Barry 20)jerry west 19)isiah thomas 18)karl malone 17)steve nash 16)dirk nowitki 15)elgin baylor 14)julius erving 13)john stockton 12)shaquille o'neal 11)tim duncan 10)oscar robertson 9)hakeem olajuwon 8)lebron james 7)larry bird 6)kobe bryant 5)magic johnson 4)kareem abdul jabbar 3)wilt Chamberlain 2)bill Russell(my personal favourite off all time) 1)Michael jordan i'm 59 and when i was i kid russell was my hero,i have to old and rare clips and a lot of complete celtics game's of 60' and early 70'

Elgin brought a "modern" style into the sport. Others expanded on it (Hawkins, Erving, Maravich, Bird, Magic), but Elgin did it all first.

At the end of his career, Wilt named Elgin and Hondo as the best forwards he ever saw.

Yes they called him on that too - looked so good I put it in anyways lol

Thank you, I've been collecting and organizing content for an Oscar one yes

+Wilt Chamberlain Archive I can't wait to see

I really want to see the Oscar video bro, great channel!

Please make this, I love watching Oscar on the court almost as much as I hate how he trashes other great players.

He's not Charles Barkley. He's Elgin Baylor.

@@acewilliams7917 ❤️elgin baylor :: before connie hawkin; charle barkley;;; elgin baylor basketball pioneer

thatd be amazing to see, pete and hudson tore it up on the hawks

I can watch Elgin and Pistol forever.

It is a treat to watch Baylor and Barry. Hawkins as well.

❤️ 1960s basketball players : elgin baylor rick barry : connie hawkins

Julius Erving, Oscar Robertson, Satch Sanders, Tommy Hawkins, Wilt Chamberlain, Bob Pettit, Lenny Wilkins, Sam Jones, Nate Thurmond, Phil Jackson, Bob Cousy, Darrall Imhoff, Bill Russell and Jerry West are all offering a lot of praise and commenting on Elgin just off the top of my head as well as Lakers commentator Chick Hearn, and two of Elgin Baylor's coaches, Butch Van Breda Kolff and Fred Schaus.

Wow, even Wilt? He rarely offered praise for other players, from what little I've watched on KZfaq and read online about him.

@@VictorLionsTV nobody hated on younger players more than Wilt. It’s all over KZfaq

Looks like it for sure. Poor guy must have been thoroughly embarrassed when he found out.

Tom Hawkins, former Laker and teammate of Elgins!

Lmao did I just see a 6’5 guard do a 360 and throw a full court one handed pass?

@@taha.030 Elgin Baylor no look pass to Wilt Chamberlain kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8yen7md3dnXm30.html

The stars played 45-48 minutes per game and nobody could shoot so the rebounds are inflated.

@@12savage68 🤡 they shot 44% u dum dum without a 3 line for extra spacing. Today they shoot 46% stoop

@@12savage68 🤡

@@kingofnewyork7765 you can only grab rebounds if people miss shots ...🤡

@@12savage68 they played the fastest pace in nba history and they WANTED rebounds more. A lot of them were offensive rebounds as well

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SpFr Hydro Who´s in your top 10?

1. Kareem (very biased towards kareem) 2. Jordan 3. Russell 4. Wilt 5. Oscar (Biased) 6. Duncan 7. Magic 8. West 9. Baylor 10. Stockton (i was debating between like 20 people)

+reimixo not stockton, 10. Ray Allen

SpFr Hydro Don´t worry, My 10 is biased too... 1.MJ, 2.Wilt, 3.Magic, 4.Bird, 5.Oscar, 6.Isiah, 7.Rodman, 8..Baylor, 9.Bill Russell and 10.Kobe I could put Hakeem and Kareem in there easily, just from tge back of my mind, Maybe there are some more I could put in there... I could change Isiah and Oscar, Rodman and Baylor and put Russell ahead of one of them maybe... But the first 4 I can´t change them... My 10 is kinda like DR. J´s 5, it´s greatest/favourites... To me Ray Allen isn´t even top 20... maybe 50... What do you think about LeBron?

wilt isnt better then either of them

well wilt was 35 after a injury and still was able to hold his own to karreem and also in his prime put up insane numbers that karreem could not match also wilt had finesse but could turn to power it was like you got the defence and passing and rebounds of bill and combine it with the offence of karreem and power of Shaq he has the best of all center the only thing he can't do is shoot but he does not need to

+focifocus kareem was better then wilt, everyone knows that, wilt was jealous of how much better kareem was when kareem was drafted, Kareem is the best center of all time, wilt was not, kareem came into the league and in his first 4 years he led the bucks to 2 finals, 4 years in the league, and winning finals mvp, kareem is better then wilt skill wise, wilt was powerful, kareem was a better "center"

+SpFr Hydro wait what about bill

Record book.

Jay MacDonnell no

He's right there with them at the very least - each have different strengths all with little to no notable weaknesses and a lot of overlap of ability. They're all superlative all-around players.

+Wilt Chamberlain Archive I think LeBron is a tier above both tbh

Right there with them. You won't lose with any of those 3.

Wilt Chamberlain Archive so since u made a channel about wilt do u think hes the best of all time and what do you think he will average in the 90s and in todays game

+Raheim Richberg no, wilt played when there was few good big men, so wilt would average about 30-35 a game in a league and about 11 rebounds, his only contenders for best center ever are bill and kareem, who are better then wilt,

you're deluded

Solid list, I'd probably have Bird higher, but other than that I agree.

kareem was better then wilt, so was russell

HawkingRegime Having Baylor in the top 10 is a joke. Having Oscar is #5 is pathetic. Russell isn't even top 5. Bird was better than Magic. Duncan is better than them both. Lebron is better than them both. 1.) Kareem 2.) MJ 3.) Wilt 4.) Duncan 5.) Lebron 6.) Bird 7.) Shaq 8.) Hakeem 9.) Magic 10.) Russell

+Denim Ticken oscar at #5 is solid, baylor is top 10, lebron is not better then baylor, bird however is better then magic, lebron is not top 10, and russell is top 5, your list is retarted as hell

except for the fact that they played on the same team

GoSpursGo Elgin Baylor had as great jump shot especially scoring points in the air

❤️ elgin baylor &: jerry west original ;; dynamic duo : great jump basketball shooters

Nah, The Big O had the biggest butt in the NBA

+clu4u no doubt oscar did

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