Change is HARD. We should ALL admire his transformation. Because, it takes making that choice everyday.

Education and engaging different perspectives are the best antidote to intolerance.

He's right. As a white person , when you are in a room with other whites talking POC or women down being silent is not the answer. We have to voice our opposition to it.

"Being silent is a choice." Yeah, those are words to live by. Very good interview.

Trevor asking the right questions. Hes so good!

That must've been rough on him having to leave family like that, i understand it but still. I'm also impressed of the students at his collage for taking their time and the effort they put in to show him the world one step at a time. the patience and dedication. an emotional story indeed. I hope his story gets heard and changes some minds out there :)

I admire his mental strength.

It makes me cry with love thinking about the kids who invited him to dinner over and over. Love and kindness are powerful !

He looks shellshocked. Like visibly horrified over his part. I can understand that kind of regret and really appreciate the fact that he’s making it into something useful. That’s a win.

I'm an upcoming freshman at College of Charleston and we're required to read this book and write a paper on it before our classes start, I dont think they could have picked a better book. Rising Out of Hate is one of the best pieces of literature I have ever read. Eli Saslow is coming to our campus, I'm so excited to meet him.

I agree with Derek Black. This world would be a better place if more people just took a second to ask themselves whether their actions, words or beliefs could hurt others and make positive changes if it does.

There's something about this interview that grips me . He looks broken with sad eyes. but in a way , he's the strongest person in the room. it's like he literally bled into this book. it's not for sales value. just imagine the death threats he must be getting everyday. change is so hard.

That was a seriously insightful discussion. Thank you, gentlemen.

“It’s harder to be anti racists, then it is to be a white nationalist” and “being silent is a choice”. He’s just confirming what we already knew.

We are so proud of Derek and our campus community!

Trevor is fair and balanced when asking questions. His manner is engaging rather than intimidating. He could work as a journalist easily. I think he could even crack that shell Putin puts up when interviewed.

My faith in humanity just got a bump up. I absolutely love this show.

This is the first time the comments section on a KZfaq video is full of adults.. My faith in humanity is restored. A luta continua, vitória é certa, Derek and Eli!

Derek clearly put in a lot of work and had to give up his whole family but I am almost more curious about the people who put effort into changing his mind, over and over without seeing results. That takes a lot of fortitude and a desire to change the world as well. I hope they are proud of the good they have done.

That interview is amazing.

It is a sad sad day when your parents hate for others is more important than loving you. That must have been heart ache of the deepest level.

1. Trevor, I believe you actually read the books you discuss on the TV show. You can tell that most hosts just read a summary of the book. 2. Derek Black is clearly intelligent. That makes him a bit different from your garden variety Trump supporter. Most of them can't be persuaded to think differently because they never thought through their philosophy in the first place. They just believe white is better and deserves more than other races. That's it. 3. Derek Black comes over as wise and grounded. He said some profound things. I think I'm going to buy that book.

I don’t mean this to sound condescending, but I’m so proud of him. He is a testament to the power of the human spirit and a hope to humanity. Especially I was happy to hear his message about the importance of the good of all. What hurts one person will hurt all humanity in some way, whether directly or indirectly. The unity of all humanity is the most important thing we have to work on today, and it can only start in our own hearts. I hope more news organizations cover this book. Trevor, I love your comedy, but I think this is the most important news piece you have done so far. Coverage of stories like this provides hope for a humanity that is despairing over the ills of society.

10:29 - 14:29 This entire interview is amazing. Listen to it in its entirety many times. Trevor Noah has the excellent ability to keep the focus and tone right where it should be to make this the iconic interview it truly is. However, if you only have 4 minutes, don't miss this part; there is so much depth of insight here.

Sometimes it's so hard to listen to someone who has changed their previous ideologies because in the past they have caused so much pain. It's a learning lesson for me as I understand that sometimes in life we make ill informed decisions and just as Christ has mercy on us we must have mercy on others. It is also important to learn from other peoples perspectives so that we can have these open conversations and bring about change. Lastly, every individual has a solution within them that can help another.

Who else watching this after the Capitol attack? 👀

Thankyou Derek for disavowing this hatred. As a child, my best friend didn't have any racist feelings but when he went into the service he became racist. I think he may have finally worked out his problems but I do not know, and I feel really bad for someone who is a racist.

I always think about this quote that says “If you’re dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you’re smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.” This is what happens when you do that. When you open up, everyone gets better. Everyone benefits.

This show needs an Emmy!

When I was a parole officer, I knew that I couldn't talk people out of continuing to commit crimes. There was no magic phrase. All I could hope for was that something I would do or say would make an impression, and I would set an example that might plant a seed that eventually led to change, just like countless numbers of people, some I knew, like teachers, and those I never knew but came across, who did or said something that caught my attention and made an impression, inciting change within me.

"I think, in a kind of weird way, the stuff that I was raised with, that, 'although all of society thinks we're nuts, this is truth and we have to say it,' and that we've gotten there by being independent thinkers, who are curious and look at facts even though everybody says it's wrong, like, that stuff was also the things that I needed to be able to leave it." Damn. Damn, damn... that sort of mindset is what ALL of us white folks need to be doing to undo the racism that we were taught. The real "conspiracy theory" so to speak is the truth that the United States is racist, and has always been racist, and will remain racist unless WE do the work within ourselves and within our communities to change that.

I am very nearly Derek Black. My entire younger life was dominated by extreme racist ideals. My wife was not a racist and I began to see things her way but too late to save our marriage. Now I understand civil rights. Martin Luther King is now one of my heroes. I have researched the motivations behind the civil war and I completely understand the need to remove confederate monuments from all government sites.

That man is a brave brave man.

Trevor Noah amazes me constantly with his in depth interviews.

What Derek says at the end is also true of white Christianity in this country. As the religion becomes more and more radicalized, "live and let live" Christians have the loudest voice in the room. They're the ones that need to start speaking up to stop this radicalization, otherwise the radical white Christians sound like the only voices in the room. Oh, and as a white guy, I agree that racism by white people is prevalent in our society. I've been calling it out for decades, especially when it was unpopular to do so among both liberals and conservatives (in the 90's and 00's). And I'll continue to do so… especially if I'm ever forced to return to the rural, hick town I was raised in. All I ask is that everyone else help stand up for me as well. I'm atheist, a group that comprises only 3.1% of the population and widely hated and discriminated against by all religions and spirituals. Even in southern California, I've lost jobs, been evicted, and turned away by lawyers because "no one, including a judge and jury, would be sympathetic to my kind". Remember: Bullies only hold power if the people around them allow them to.

As we can see College literally expanded Derek Black's mind. See what happens when you step outside of the box!?

Wow. This man’s insight was moving. See, white people? Get to work! You CAN make a difference.

Sadly, this is also what it's like leaving most religions

I am truly impressed with the journey that these young men have taken to get to where they are today. If we could just affect more people regardless of race, in this manner, this would be such a better world to live in. Thumbs up to all those people who fight racism. May God continue to bless your hearts and souls.

Watching this 10 months in to the pandemic of 2020. Forgot Trevor ever looked like this

What a blessing to see and witness something like this. May God protect you brother Derek. Love from South africa

trevor noah has some of the best guests in TV

Can't believe I learned a lot from a ex klan memeber about a racist system lol, but yeah he's right, because he was so brainwashed by the klan and America he had to shut that down and think for hemslelf, and by doing that he simply found the truth, and that's treating people, no matter the color, how you would like to be treated, because at the end of the day we're all humans that want happiness, I had that epiphany as a child. I also agree that whites have a bigger voice than anyone when it comes to fighting racism, because they're in power and because like he said, racist think that whites are superior and fighting with their own kind, who are all smart and right in their heads, just burst their little white supremacist bubble and the core of what they believe in, but also you can't forget that whites were also killed by the Klan, so...

My new coin phrase "Being silent is a choice" wow that works on everything..

Thank you, Mr Black, for being so brave. It is unbelievable hard to change a belief system that was ingrained into your core being. I have massive respect for you!

Derek Black is a dope dude. It takes mental strength to change he has it. We need more people like him in this country.

Wow, I'm extremely impressed by Derek Black. This was one of the best interviews I've seen this year. Kudos to you friend.

the best way to fight intolerance, I like it.

it's so amazing that Trevor never left his standup roots yet he's become probably the most skilled interviewer of the millenial generation right now. and these two men are fascinating as well; i might have to read their book

This was intense and had me on edge. The audience must have felt akward. This was truely Awesome!!

Rewatching this segment again, and it's so clear that Derek Black is extremely sincere (the closing when he shook hands with Trevor - there was genuine appreciation from Derek to Trevor). I believe he really went through a personal awakening. It's very beautiful, and happy that this segment came up again.

Silence is a choice.... Powerful words

Wow I want to give him a huge hug... To be raised in that toxicity and grow out from it and recover and stand for goodness... So brave, so bold

Love every word out of this guy's mouth!!! Amen

damn i dont know if i would be able to pull myself out of a cult like that, huge respect and well wishes for mr black

White nationalist message- WE’RE BETTER Black Lives Matter message - WE’RE EQUAL This video helped clarify that difference

Trevor is a great interviewer. Jon Stewart was right in giving him the show.

Derek's final comments were exactly the same lesson in American History X, when Dr. Sweeney asks Derek Vinyard "Has anything you've done made your life better?"

Look past Trevor's razor-sharp sense of humor and you will see a truly great human being with insightful observations way beyond his years. Read his autobiography and you'll realize what shaped this amazing person.

To be honest, the United States _was_ founded as a white-nationalist country. It was also founded as a pre-industrial, male-dominant country. This is not a justification, though. There are times when change is necessary. There are times when you have to grant people the right to vote, even if they don't own property, even if they're black, even if they're women, even if they're trans. There are times when you have to build industrial means of transportation to carry goods all the way from one coast to the other. The argument, "This is the way we have _always_ done it, so this is the way we must _continue_ doing it" is absurd right on the _face_ of it.

Wow! That was very impressive by Eli and especially for Derek Black. He was very articulate in his delivery towards the end, you can tell he really has come a long way. I’m proud of him. And I really want to get his book. Lol.

I myself, back in the late 50's-early 60's, was raised to think whites were superior, but with the help of my day and meeting the first Black I've was ever close to in Jr High school, my heart was changed. So much power, as in David Dukes son saw, in 'face-to-face exposure' to other nationalities/ different colors of skin, it is the key, people don't recognize the power of Desegregation, it changed America towards becoming, and still working on, a 'true' America. When Duke's son went to a widely diverse college and was shown the Truth by exposure, Normalization of seeing all colors as equal thru meeting those non-white people, and how others treated non-whites as 'normal equal people' was such an important piece, if you are surrounded by people who see all as equal, and exposure to everyday people who differ in just the color of skin, over time, is very moving to a soul that was darkened. I think that is one of the greatest of tragedies of the Trump election, was he has allowed deep racism to feel normal again, including encouraging people to hate Muslims (predominatly black), I tell people that that is one of the reason, his normalizing of hate again, is why I think Satan is behide him. Trump has brought us back 50 yrs in our Societal growth, he is a Horror show to Humanity in America, it is what he encourages/ brings out the belief, that the Great America was back when he grew up with his White Nationalist father, back in the early 1900's where Hate of anyone 'nonwhite' was a virtue. It makes poor white trash feel superior to any color but their fungus white. His Base, is the Base of White Trash Racists, and any other naive person who gets caught up in his lies. The Bible talks about toward the 'End' that God will put blinders on some of the cold and luke-warm followers so that evil will rise, be destroyed in the 'End' and only 'His' true followers will be left. And of course anyone who knows what is next, God will also step in and stop the humans before we totally destroy the world. 2/3 of humanity will be wiped out. Yep, climate change is real and we are causing it according to the Bible (the book Trump followers have never read) Its interesting to actually pick of a Bible and see what is going on, there is nothing about a 2nd Jesus coming out (Trump), he is just part of the evil growth period, he is just part of the evil picture. If I was a Christian that 'believed in' Trump, I would be reallllllll worried that 1- I'm not really a true believer, 2- I'm about to be part of God's Smack Down. Thank about How many times have you been told, and seen, that a church is filled will only about 10% true believers, you can see that easily when you see that 85% of so called 'Christians' follow Trump. Anyone everyone have a good day

Love that this was a topic. I will sooo buy the book. I have always stated that white people talking to white peoples help erase this racism shit. Love the topic

I am reading this book at the moment and it's absolutely fascinating. Do take the time to read it.

Good for that young man for breaking free from ignorance and hatred.

Wow, I got chills. This is truly awesome!

Undoubtedly, the best book I have read this year.

What a powerful and moving discussion.

Derek's message NEEDS to be heard and persist especially today ... in 2020.

What I always believe is nobody born racist .. someone make him/her that way 😔

The end of this made my skin tingle in approval. I was thanked by a friend of a friend because I stood up to someone being racist about a year after it happened. I was truly unaware of the impact saying something out loud to correct “bad talking” can have. It may not have changed anything long term, but it changed someone’s behavior for an evening while out that night as a group. No further insults, had quite a bit of fun.

I did not realize until the end of the video that this was recorded over 2 years ago...my how relevant This conversation still is 💔 Great discussion but damn...smh.

Ok what an inspiring story! 👏😌

Wow this was crazy good. Trevor's show is good.

Wow this was incredible to watch. A very special interview. Thanks to Eli and Trevor for sharing, and thanks to Derek for having the courage to share your story. Change IS possible, and we need stories like this to remind us sometimes. This was a light in what can often seem like a darkening world.

Fantastic interview by Trevor! Kudos to these young men

both so articulate and courageous. I deeply admire both men - Derek for being willing to share his story, and Eli for sharing it so eloquently with the world

Wonderful interview.

Trev, amazing piece bro! F**king disgusted this hasn't been viewed more. So important, share it again in 3 weeks. Brett-lines soaking up the footfall.

How did I see this last week??? It must have been previously recorded. Great interview, awesome show!

Getting educated is the key.

AMAAAZING interview 😎OPEN your eyes and mind whatever negativity you've been brought up on...

7 minutes in and I am feeling goosebumps no stop. To witnesses the step that man took by himself from where he was in his past beliefs, is one of must beautiful transformation possible in America.

This deserves more views.

"Silence is a choice."

I was raised by racist. I was lucky that my neighbors taught me love. Two Mexican families took me under their wing. They didn't see me as some white girl. They saw me as one of their own. I remember one of my friends was on the phone. One guy asked them if they knew any white girls. My friend said nope. After she hung up with the guy I asked her what she meant. I'm white. She said. You're not white to us. You're one of us. For those of you who think it was wrong for her to say that. It wasn't. The white people in my hometown where notorious racist. They were awful. I was seen by my Mexican friends and neighbors as a Mexican. I had the accent down as well. My white family was pissed. And I didn't give a damn. I'm glad he got out of that toxic mindset. It's not a good mindset to be in. We are all in this world together. I hope one day a person is judged by their character and not the way they look, sound, sexual orientation and ect.

I just finished this audio book and it is a book I wish America would read .It broadened my understanding of a world I do not know but of people im sure I have known .It revamped my sprit and faith in what love and friendship can do.Truly love has always been the only answer.Derek Black is a fine man and I wish him the very best in his future

One thing they don't mention in this interview is the school he went to was New College of Florida I went there for several years and it is a truly incredible and inspiring community of young people who consistently push for change and I think it is worth recognizing!

I've fount my Brother, thank you Derek and welcome home

Very good interview, thank you!

Wow! We need more stories like this. Thank you Eli for your incredible work and thank you Derek for having the courage to change. This is how we change society.

Derek Black is SPOT ON!!!!

"It is easier to tell someone that they do not have to do anything."

I had a student once who had those white supremecist beliefs and I tried to counter against it as much as I could (he was only 13 years old). However, I cancelt our lessons in the end because I couldn't take it anymore (after four or five hours), my feeling was that I don't change anything. I think this might be true most of the time but I felt uncompfortable with the thought that this would be all what I could have done. I'll read this book and try to be more prepared for similar situations in the future! Thank you!

Out of all the episodes I've seen on the show over the years this is probably the first time I will actually buy a book from the show

Derek is really intelligent and inspirational. You can see the pain in his face when his former racist talking points were mentioned. I have a lot of respect for him.

What an incredible young man. Very impressive to 180 your entire belief system. Also very impressive work by the people who helped him get there.

Welcome out of the darkness, Young Blood! I'm reading Eli's book right now.

I read this book and found it a very fascinating read. Highly recommended

Trevor Noah asks superb questions in a way that bring out so much truth.