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@@YourLocalFlopIzumiobviously not

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Technically hope is

@@danawilliams8982 they said ONE of the most powerful…not THE🤦🏾‍♂️

@@benjaminemmanuelsukani246 😂

@@zisshort technically she still right 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣

Both species are extremely powerful. No matter how you approach this, Lizzie comes from a powerful and prominent witch bloodline like Hope and Bonnie. There are different degrees of power in the TVD universe and Lizzie much like Josie are pretty powerful since birth. The Heretics are naturally powerful and unique.

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@@Rev4mpz I WANTED DJ AS A HERETIC OMG 😭😭

@@blooxylips tbh I think shes better as Dark Josie, Lizzie always fit Heretic better and you can always kinda tell she was gonna be the sibling to be one. Like Tribrid Hope, Dark Josie and Heretic Lizzie are the perfect trio.

@@Rev4mpz yeah i didn't lie

@@blooxylips same i still wants it so bad

the show ended so

@@neyshalynicole8196 so...we just imagine it in our heads and let the story continue

@@neyshalynicole8196 yes but not the TVDU

Why she left

@@raulalarcon3804True. But when the next spin off happens (which is no time soon) I’m not sure if she would even want to portray Josie again.

I wanted to see hope and lizzie mass pain people, choke them, do big spells that rival the more powerful witches like they had so much power ESPECIALLY if they did spells together. Heretic josie would have been the makings of a new witch-vampire coven, and heretic dark josie would be even stronger than heretic lizzie since she has dark magic AND can siphon from herself. Also dark josie was wayyyyyy better at siphoning, she almost instantly dessicated mg and siphoned a handful of doors out of the prison world like she would have drained Ken like nothing bc even though magic doesn't work on him directly, she uses dark magic to enhance her siphoning which lizzie couldn't do without casting a spell which would be directly using magic on Ken which wouldn't work

@@buterafirevocals8177 1 Lizzie is stronger then Josie 2 you do realize that once Josie turned she would lose the dark magic and that their magic is dark magic already bc of their vampire side but yes I agree with most of what you said

@@flopnumber2765 Dark magic stays in your body unless it's put somewhere else by another witch plus josie's feats with magic are wayyyy stronger also the whole losing dark magic thing after turning doesn't apply bc they siphon vampires as mortal witches with ZERO affects meaning its not dark magic they are siphoning otherwise they would get nose bleeds, burns, or pass out bc they can't handle dark magic compared to regular witches. Also siphoners keep the magic they siphoned or dark magic they absorbed when they are in transition which was proved in tvd season 6 when Kai used magic in transition to magically pull his dad to him to drink his blood to become a Heretic

@@buterafirevocals8177 umm almost dessicate Lizzie in couple seconds put a demi god to sleep due to how much magic she siphon and a demi god has more magic than mg so Lizzie could easily dessicate him

@@kevaughnrichardson2216 it took lizzie like 5 seconds to dessicate sebastian through a kiss and dark josie instantly dessicated mg, she can siphon faster and hold more magic. Let's go to season 3 when hope, and lizzie were opening up the prison world and all of season 2 dark josies dark magic was stored in that prison world so when they opened a portal the dark magic froze them in place and was corrupting them very fast they both had dark veins growing up their bodies. Regular josie joined in and couldn't handle it either. Hope would have died and woke up in transition to be the tribrid and the twins would have just died. Dark Josie held all that power in season 2 and had enough magic to cast a spell to enslave the immortal malivore and switched jades humanity back on and siphoned doors out of the prison world and also siphoned immense dark magic from lizzie plus she turned hope to stone and flew like sis was doing it all. Heretic lizzie has the potential to do sooo much especially if she turns to dark magic

BYE shes still powerful as a siphoner, but her Heretic era ate asf

I think the made her a heretic as a way to wrap up the merge storyline because Kaylee Bryant who plays Josie was leaving the show

@@Rev4mpz i hope valerie helps her withh her heretic stuff 😭😭 i still remember how valerie helping caroline birth josie and lizzie

@@blooxylips tbh it would’ve been so nice to see Valerie in Legacies season 5, teaching Lizzie more about their Coven and Heretics. I mean Legacies as a show has so so much potential, it was ruined by the writing and it’s cancellation. Honestly with a better company/network Legacies would be so much better, and live up to its true potential. I’m still so bummed it never got to be as iconic as TVD and TO.

​@@Rev4mpzate ASF? NGA what....

Yes Theres coming other spinn-off soon

I hope the spinoff have Lizzie in it

Omg i cant wait

Season 4 was the only good season, for me

Would’ve been way too deadly 💀

I feel like the darkness would shut her humanity off so she wouldn't feel bad about doing bad things bc of the dark Magic

@@elliebettacomeback what

@@buterafirevocals8177 yes that's we wanted

Lizzie and hope would pop her so easily...

No I didn’t 17:35

@@marvelshibachi3437 oh, my bad

She can’t, vampires become sterile once they turn since they are dead and their reproductive system isn’t fully vital. Hope is only able to conceive a child because she is part werewolf, what her parents are, and has her dads blood in her veins. Lizzie just became a vampire from vampire blood like any other vampire since she isn’t a werewolf

No that's only for original vampires with a werewolf side like klaus and hope. You have to be a vampire from a spell not another vamps blood and also be part werewolf so lizzie is still technically dead but she could do what was done to her as a baby and use a spell to put a baby inside herself and she could give birth like caroline

@@buterafirevocals8177 Hey you kno what that might actually work

Thinking about it, they should bring val back and have her resurrect her baby in her womb and give birth and raise it maybe it could be a siphoner

@@buterafirevocals8177 More like resurrect her heretic family or however many she can and have her own spinoff

she didn’t break it that easily and if she’s kind salesgirl why are you watching this? lol..

It wasn’t compulsion

It was sire not compulsion there a difference sire is where you can control someone without making eye contact or something like that but compulsion is where you have to make direct eye contact to control them sire isn’t that hard to break only if they want to break it as seen but in Oder to break it you would have to break free with your might don’t matter how powerful you are just as long as you want to break free

Yea

@G but Hope created hibrids without Elena’s blood. It happened when she was in the womb and Tyler took her blood and it happened in the originals season 5 so technically it could happen

No hope was made to end malivore and when he was dead red oak was created almost instantly to end the loophole.

It depends because just because a siphoning parent gives birth to witch doesn’t mean they’ll siphone too. Sometimes they have their own magic. And siphoners are most commonly seen along twins

in theory maybe but that’s only on the basis that the siphoning ability will pass along to that child, which may not be the case. Josette was a witch with her own powers, not a siphoner and still birthed 2 siphoners so the reverse could also play out

Freya solo Josie Almost any witch since she's just a siphoner Heretic is difficult Valerie only have age Ken solo hope

Josie is not stronger than Bonnie, Freya, Dahlia & Inadu tho? the strongest witch is either Bonnie or Inadu

@@san6984Bonnie on expression was whole different kind of beast and Dahlia was nothing to play with.

She did off screen. Lizzie didn't know it was Hopes blood. Just that it was vampires blood from the school stash.

shes a syphon witch! thats why she was able to keep her powers

Bonnie’s mom didn’t keep her abilities of being a witch because she’s was a witch with powers of her own that she can Use at her own time. But witches with powers of their own when they transition they can’t keep their abilities to use witchcraft or none of that. Why is because witches believe in the natural order of things. They believe that everything’s should die at a time and not be immortal but vampires are immortal which is a problem. Now Lizzie is a witch with no powers of her own when it comes to magic. Why I don’t know but I do know that she has to absorb magic things to use that magic or magic source for something a witch with power would do. When siphoner witches transition into a vampire they can retain there siphoning abilities because they don’t have power of their own and the ability to make up for that is siphoning.

Basically witches who were born into the Gemini Coven are syphon witches so if they die they become a heretic which is a vampire and a witch. Regular witches who aren’t born into the coven would just turn into a vampire if they have blood through their system when they die.

Lizzie was born a siphoner. Unlike regular witches, she doesn't have her own source of power. But when a siphoner becomes a vampire, they retain their ability to siphon magic. Vampirism is a dark spell, it's power. Heretics like Lizzie siphon their own vampirism, it is their power source for magic. So theoretically, she isn't a witch, but in actuality she functions like one, because her own dark vampirism curse provides her magic.

Legacies

Yesss if there was a season 5, josie should have been a heretic and then absorb her dark magic from season 2 she put in the prison world, she would be either on par with or stronger than tribrid hope but without her season 2 dark magic that's inside the prison world, season 4 dark jo isn't even close to werewitch hope maybe

@@buterafirevocals8177 I think a siphoner with actual knowledge abt magic and supernatural world can beat a tribrid, idk why in the show nobody tried to siphon hope's witch and vampire powers...

@@iloveminjeong01 well unless the siphoner found a way to keep themselves from dying from too much magic, then they would have to siphon from hopes witch, werewolf, and vampire sides and her vamp side is immortal and when the original vamp Rebekah was being Channeled, the witch was immortal too with limitless magic so idk how that would work

@@buterafirevocals8177 I mean, if theres 2 or 3 siphoners they could beat her, 1 siphoning her witch side, other her vamp side and other both sides to make things more equal and then yk, letting her be a werewolf but just that, a werewolf, its just an idea tho

No

agree tbh

I really wanted Josie to be a heretic and then be with Hope, but Lizzie is so goddamn annoying sometimes

Lol nope

LIZzie eLIZabeth Ya see?

Elizabeth Jenna Saltzman is her full name

Why?

@@dominikadomaczaja5019 The reasons: -Fewer weaknesses than Heretics -More Supernatural strength and durability(Due to combo werewolf+vampire) -Immunity to wood and Stake An Heretic can use magic against hybrids but in my opinion is that they can’t hold an hybrid off for long due aggressivity of werewolf side enhanced with vampirism which could lead hybrid ripping heart of an heretic if it doesn’t kill straight off by immobilizing and rip hybrid’s heart or siphoning completely. If hybrid is aware of wolf bite siphon then it would probably choose to rip heart.

@@tdverse9482 it takes more then you think to take someones hearth out yk and heretics are superior bc of the magic sure hybrids are physicly stronger but magic rules the tvdu universe and its people.

@@flopnumber2765 the true part magic and durability is advantage for heretic. Heretic use spirit magic/traditional magic from the magic of vampirism for spell, it isn’t enough power to subdued an hybrid of werewolf and vampire. Before hybrids were turned, they were untriggered and had supernatural abilities such as strength, agility then triggering wolf gene wolf enhanced strength, stamina and durability. Vampirism enhance what you are already so the magic of lycanthrope is enhanced more because of vampirism. For heretic to put down an hybrid, they have to rip Hayley’s heart o her head. or simply neck snap then rip heart. Siphoning an hybrid is different because they more magic because of being born magical supernaturally and enhanced more magic. The other scenario is siphoning magic of an Original and use against hybrid but it extremely low chance happening. An hybrid will get upper hand if they don’t have any strategy or knowledge.

@@tdverse9482 magic is magic love doesnt matter if it comes from a dog or a cat its still magic and they have an endless amount of it unlike any other witch like you said ripping their hearths and heads off is an option but they could just as easly choke them and do it or so many other powerfull spells that uncapacitate them from moving or doing anything magic is superior period.