Should You go 4MM ARROWS FOR ELK?

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Should You go 4MM ARROWS FOR ELK? Maybe? These arrows we are going over today make a lot of sense for putting through both lungs of a rutting big bull. Join Dan and MFJJ as they build and test this arrow as a viable option for 2022 elk season!
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@steven_farmer89 2 жыл бұрын

I have gone with .204 with all of my arrows both TAC and hunting; i watched your arrow selecting videos when deciding what to get and havent looked back. Always enjoy the longer videos where i get to learn something.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks G!

@mathey2708 2 жыл бұрын

Been shooting the 4MM match grade since they came out. Love them and will def be ordering more. I spine aligned mine and they are super consistent.

@sarjeant503 Жыл бұрын

These are def on in the stack of things being tested for this season's build. Thanks for the info fellas!

@vancejohnson1778 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome stuff! Interested to see your finial pick for what u are taking out this fall 👌

@h-minus2212 2 жыл бұрын

Dan's effort to find a great arrow is fun and instructive. The Hooter Shooter is an interesting contraption, but I am not a big fan of how it leaves the bow flailing around after the string is released. The "Rocket Man" gentleman who is commonly featured on Ranch Fairy and Hunting Public videos is an intelligent human. In one of their tests, they discovered diminishing returns when increasing the helical percentage. Fascinating. Archery is the best pastime - by far.

@treyozee2685 Жыл бұрын

Gotta appreciate the editing, a different intro for almost every video is lit! Good work!

@TheWVgoodguy22 2 жыл бұрын

Two ElkShape ABT videos in a row for me. The switch out to an Ultra View and longer sight tape and then this one. I want to build my own arrows this year to go with newish Prime Black 3, that I got last August for $650. This will be the first season using it. It’s set at 65 lbs and a 29.5 inch draw. My current arrows are Carbon Xpress Mayhem SDS from the factory. The arrows are 511 grain with a 45 grain outsert and 100 grain head. They’re 11.25 gpi. I am actually looking at those Victory RIP TKO Gamer or Elites in 300 spine which is 8.8 gpi. My cousin uses the GT Black Label Quantum which are similar gpi and I want something similar yet different to compare notes. So the Victory RIPs look like a great option. I want to get my arrows in the 475-525 grain range with a lighted nock. Probably close to the 495 grain total weight. So with a 29 inch arrow I need to put 200 grains up front. I should be close to that 15% FOC mark. I did look at those exact Easton arrows and since most 4mm components suck, I decided to stick with 5mm. Side note 📝 my 36 year old brother still has Magic cards and plays Dungeons and Dragons, when he can since he has a 5 year old daughter. Which comes first always.

@christiantorres6118 2 жыл бұрын

As always bad ass video. I love the content and comeraderie.

@dennisconwell 2 жыл бұрын

Valkyrie Archery has awesome 4mm components

@royhoglund1322 2 жыл бұрын

ABT...Love it! I set up three different arrows; FMJ 4mm Match, Axis Long Range 4mm Match, Black Eagle X-Impact. I set all three up with the Snyder Core System. I epoxy them in and spin them before they set. I love them all so far. Because I used epoxy, I cannot change out tips or broadheads. Oh well, I'll just buy more arrows! LOL

@bullitkatcher 2 жыл бұрын

For recording flighttime on a budget i would rig up a light next to the target that goes on when you press the trigger of a hooter shooter and film that + the point of impact. By counting the amount of frames between the light going on an the arrow hitting you could get some pretty accurate readings, especially with a camera doing thousends of frames

@rogerramjet7567 Жыл бұрын

The straightness of the Easton 4mm is insane. They fly great for me. Have to give it 👍👍

@JohnLee-vj9lh Жыл бұрын

A good heavy arrow with a Australian made broadhead you can’t go wrong, Great video and info guys well done 👍🏹

@thwacklife 2 жыл бұрын

Been using the Easton Axis Long Range for my outdoor target shooting the last few months. Love them!

@alexreutov9496 4 ай бұрын

Still the case thinking about getting some match grade ones or get some rip xvs?

@1dman55jo 2 жыл бұрын

I’d think the easiest and cheapest way would be to have a very fast microphone at both the bow and target. If you try and do it just from the bow or target you will have some error due to the speed of sound at varying air densities and pressures. The next best way would to use a light system similar to a chrono or trap at a drag strip but I’m sure the cost would be much much more

@gibsonlife573 2 жыл бұрын

Good job guys

@smau990 2 жыл бұрын

For flight time measurement. Shoot slomo video, some phone cameras do 1920fps and 960fps is pretty common. Use static lighted nock, count the frames from launch to impact and you have the flight time.

@stick__shooter 2 жыл бұрын

I've found I really prefer a regular insert. I shoot my standard size Vforce, VF TKO, and Easton 6.5 arrows at 100 plus for practice and 3d shoots and really can't find a need for a skinnier arrow with finicky components. I tried 204 arrows and didn't like halfouts or insert/sleeve setups, and I tried VAP SS, which were nice, but had front end components bending after a bit of practice with them. For hunting distances I don't see the "wind cutting" smaller diameter mattering much, since both size shafts would still have a big broadhead and big fletchings, and a broadhead makes a bigger hole than the arrow shaft, so no real world advantage there either.

@zachg3669 2 жыл бұрын

It’s funny that you told the guy who has never shot he would like the v3x because that’s what he chose and that was me a few weeks ago. Had never shot before either. Shot 6 different bows and the v3x 33 was hands down the best shooting for me. So I bought it and I love it.

@bucksbullsandbroadheads6615 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Cool video, love the content. I'll switch to 4m after season.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Worth a tink

@hoffdoesstuff Жыл бұрын

For people not shooting crossbow bolts and can’t afford to run 9grain fletching will the 2” Blazer @ 6.1grain or 2.3” AAE Max @ 4.8grain in helical work on a 4mm shaft?

@urlyriser3334 2 жыл бұрын

Brandon McDonald did a very good comparison video comparing time to impact between different arrow weights. The time to impact proved insignificant between weights. However, trajectory to target was the major issue. Listen to the podcast Brandon McDonald did with Pedro from Stag Culture regarding arrows. A different perspective from the "fairy". Trajectory and good arrow flight seems more important than momentum in the real world hunting scenarios. Penetration is usually not a problem even with lighter arrows with proper tune. Also, arrow noise seems to be a critical factor as only the animal that is arrow is intended for tends to react in a herd situation...this is certainly a rabbit hole... Thanks for this video. I am seriously considering the Easton 4mm axis...however with ethics outserts and stainless collars for my moose arrows.

@DIYSportsman 2 жыл бұрын

You were on thr right track for measuring Flight Time with video. That's the easiest way to do it IMO. Look at the audio waveform between shot and impact and count the number of frames, then convert to seconds. The higher your video frame rate, the better the test resolution.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks G!

@robertoramirez4782 Жыл бұрын

How would the Easton axis 5mm 300 spine match grade arrows perform at 70Lbs and 28DL w 100 grain broadhead for whitetail thanks

@jeremyhildebrandt 2 жыл бұрын

When I first started hunting back in late 90s I used some Bemam micro diameter arrows. I remember they shot flat and they were very accurate, and I got several pass throughs on deer and elk. The only problem was that the arrow used an outsert system that was garbage. They would bend when shooting the compressed carpet targets at my local range. They would regularly come off in the target when removing arrow. They where hard as hell to broadhead tune. I used them for about 3 years. Still not over it. I would be willing to switch back some day when MFJJ says there are like so many great options for insert/outserts and broadheads work great too.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

We remember bemans!

@derrickross192 2 жыл бұрын

I had the same problem with other arrows/ Inserts that I currently used until I switched up to sanding the inside of the Shaft a tiny bit, cleaning *all the carbon dust off, then using cool melt Glue. Works great now!

@WildTines 2 жыл бұрын

I love the Easton long range arrows so far! I definitely see a huge difference between the 4mm and the 6.5 mm I was running before. The aluminum inserts got me hesitant but my plan is to put that arrow where it needs to go, next year I’ll invest in the titanium inserts, pretty pricey.

@kcmills8385 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly why I stopped using em , that insert issue

@montuckyman4982 Жыл бұрын

What are these huge differences you see between 4 and 6.5 mm?

@jebstuart1323 Жыл бұрын

I have used the 6.5 since they come out. I use the Orange insert and ditch the factory, I also use the longer nocks. Never mushroomed a arrow yet and some have 100's of shots on them.

@WildTines Жыл бұрын

With the 4mm Easton axis at 420 grains this past September, I was able to harvest my first bull elk at 30 yards. Was a good pass through, he only went 50 yards.

@nicfield6895 2 жыл бұрын

Are you having trouble weeks after nock tuning like the weak spot is changing? I have only had this issue with the long ranges, and every other arrow held there characteristics. I do like shooting these after I shot off a fletch though. That's when they shine.

@jakerobinson2359 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't possibly check the website for a lefty EZ fletch more often than I already do hahaha

@natehayes82 2 жыл бұрын

I'm shooting the victory vap tkos and I love them. They are kinda hard to fletch which is a bummer

@fishingwithphil2582 2 жыл бұрын

Like every other video jammed pAcked with outstanding information!

@cleanshot74 2 жыл бұрын

Have you done any testing with the Valkyrie Delivery System? They use a Victory Vap Elite (4MM) arrow with a centerpin broadhead and sleeve. It is the strongest and best setup I have found for a 4MM arrow and worked perfectly on my elk last year. I have a 28" draw and my setup is as follows: Mathews V3X - Victory VAP 300 cut at 27", 180Ti Short Jag broadhead with titanium centerpin and 21 Gr. sleeve. So 200 grs up front. 3 fletch Q21 Fustion X-II vanes. No wrap - Total arrow weight of 461 with 19.5% FOC. Shooting about 280 FPS.

@SgtGoose1327 2 жыл бұрын

What are some titanium options for the .166 ID arrows. I thought my only option was the IW DeepSix system. Is there an alternative?

@jeremycavaretta1035 2 жыл бұрын

Great video guys! One hell of nut shot MDJJ! 🤣

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Almost out for the count

@michaelrobinson714 2 жыл бұрын

Well with it beinging a small target I'd say it's safe to say he got the 11 ring 😆 🤣

@jeremycavaretta1035 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelrobinson714 🤣

@bradyhoglund5630 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the 3 fletch would still hold a tighter group with a fixed blade broadhead instead of a field point

@robertherston865 2 жыл бұрын

Have y’all tried the Easton titanium inserts in the RIP Xtreme velocities to see if they work ?

@Pr1mitiveHunter 2 жыл бұрын

What are the targets at the shop made out of? Big carpet targets?

@stick__shooter 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in seeing the test re-done with 3 vs 4 fletch, but with fixed broadheads.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

AGREED! -Dan

@davidbatt5305 2 жыл бұрын

You should check out the Easton procomp hunter! You shouldn’t get the nock indexing issues. They aren’t cheap tho. ABT

@chadmoss1946 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried the Steel F.O.C.U.S. system on the Axis 4mm? The 250 FOCUS system almost fits the 300 4MM Axis. You have to shave .001 off the Axis to fit properly. I have really liked this set up. Puts me at 536gr elk arrow.

@almorestar8752 2 жыл бұрын

Have you heard of using firenock’s PAPS spin finding system? They say to use it to find a true national spine of the arrow. It uses weights and high frequency and low energy vibration to find it. I would assume you could figure out Eatons spins that way wen building them.

@kcmills8385 2 жыл бұрын

Been there done that ( too many outsert issues ), just switched to tkos

@user-yo2ql8gv4j 24 күн бұрын

What do you think about bloodsport onyx 4mm arrow with r.o.c insert outsert system

@Pariscj 2 жыл бұрын

Hunting wise carbon express maxima triads 4mm with the Easton TI inserts 125gn up front and aae max stealth (elkshape edition) left helical with mini max and the vap new nocks these things are sturdy and invincible with the included insert system

@Thedudeabides803 Ай бұрын

Been shooting the Goldtip Platinum Pierce since they came out. Not gonna switch yet but I’d like to try something new.

@ScuffedEngineer 2 жыл бұрын

Time of flight device(s). Buy/ Build a pressure sensor, if you can figure out how to hook it up even a retail scale could work, and attach it to a block target. The pressure sensor works as a switch in an IoT device (i.e. argon kit, they give personal uses 100 devices worth of free cellular last I heard). The code is looking for the scale to give a reading and it stops the timer, given this it could probably also be set up for impulse time if you really cared about it? On the bow side of things, find a place to put some switch that lets it know that it's been shot, the mechanical shooter would be handy in this situation and hook it up to another IoT device and once the switch is hit, it starts a timer. Wouldn't look pretty, but could probably be accomplished for $200.

@gold54bs 2 жыл бұрын

Ran the Easton 4mm long range with the titanium system they make, killed my elk with it I really enjoyed shooting that arrow, the price was a little steep at $300 for a dozen with the titanium but solid performers

@pahad2102 2 жыл бұрын

Lab Radar and math. LR will give you velocity at 10yd intervals and math will give you exactly what you are looking for.

@Jimbowiejr 11 ай бұрын

Tried 4mm 250 spine, most break (7)about 8 inches from rear when hitting ground, not rock or wood. Went back to 300 rampage, solved problem (shooting out 115 yds at small broadhead target)

@noahharris7806 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a video on like a 550 grain arrow that has a very low foc like 11 or whatever, and a 550 grain arrow with a super high foc like 19/20 and see the speed degration if there is any, penetration difference, groupings. I shoot the 250 orions with the SS, insert and outsert by ethics, with a iron will broadhead and Tac vanes, 3 fletch. Total arrow weight is around 636, 637. 380 grains upfront, With 25.2 percent foc, which is what I’m getting from gold tip. Super high weight and foc, and I tinkered with a bunch of stuff and built the lightest arrow shaft and put as much weight in the front as I could, while still being able to shoot 100 yards, for a follow up shot or something on elk which is what this arrow is for and my groups at 100 shrunk a couple inches. The arrow is flying slow but I can still reach 100 yards and a little farther with 71 pounds 28 inch draw. Abt!!

@foxbow90 2 жыл бұрын

I can't even get to a 100 with 74#, 31" drawlenght and 500 grain arrows 😅

@noahharris7806 2 жыл бұрын

@@foxbow90 dang! Something must be wrong then. Your pushing thst arrow at like over 300 fps I bet

@DelraySwampViking 2 жыл бұрын

@@noahharris7806 His peep sight is too low or he has a lot of negative space in his slider above the 20 yard tape. I shoot 540 grain arrows at 295 fps. PSE XF33 80 lbs and 31" draw. 12 FOC Easton 5mm Axis. Dont need anything heavier, faster, or with more FOC, thanks the poundage and length. Gonna shoot a few at 100 yards today with my crimson talon cleavers and expecting great results. FOC is for guys shooting short draw and low poundage. Its a worthy trade off from speed when your KE and Momentum is low from stock components.

@TheDruxlol 2 жыл бұрын

also its not splitting hairs, shooting 4mm into jell is an extra 3+ inches of penetration. its an absolute ton.

@AlexTroska 2 жыл бұрын

Something to think about. I don't know which vane you were shooting, but in one of the clips the back of the arrow was spinning in a circle. Ranch Fairy's latest video he talks about how more helical on the back can contribute to that when the front of the arrow isn't super heavy. Rocket man stuff.

@garrettrowe7917 2 жыл бұрын

Just measure FPS of two arrows, have a set distance and solve for time. You don’t need anything expensive besides a chronograph. As long as you have speed and distance, you can figure the time it took to go any distance.

@josephr1198 2 жыл бұрын

Works in theory, in practice you gotta account for drag/air resistance. Faster arrow will have more drag. Easiest way to do it would probably be via camera then overlaying the footage, going by sound would be less accurate since sounds got to travel back.

@garrettrowe7917 2 жыл бұрын

@@josephr1198 good point on the drag. Lab radar may help. It measures fps at different distances. So you could graph the speed over distance and maybe figure out the time to target somehow.

@branndonbowman 2 жыл бұрын

Thumbnail of you with all the arrows is so fire

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

thanks G!

@chengsterboi07 2 жыл бұрын

Should be similar to what speed shooters use for their split times. It is a timer you can set and when it beeps you release your arrow and it will time how long after it beeps to how fast you release the arrow. Could be similar.

@MrChabon 2 жыл бұрын

I know you say Elk is all that matters. But could you do a video on what arrow you prefer when deer hunting.

@dylanmatter1088 2 жыл бұрын

Grant Woods at growing deer teamed up with a guy and did a sweet video on the deer drop of how long it takes arrow to reach its target!

@W1NNlNG 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f72IirhzvLnXqp8.html Was about to say the same thing, so I just went and got the link

@TheDruxlol 2 жыл бұрын

Josh really likes to ignore the shit he doesn't carry. Those titaniums blow out the side period. i have a dozen broken to prove it. If you are shooting 4mm (and i think you should) GO WITH THE IRON WILL OR ETHICS COMPONENTS WITH A SLEAVE.

@ericgardner7579 Жыл бұрын

What insert did you use.

@westtexbowhunting 2 жыл бұрын

I’m shooting the Easton long range with the aae max vines and nocturnal green knocks with the standard inserts and I’ve been slinging them with my broad heads witch are a 150 grain single bevel they fly amazing I get huge penetration out of them think the total arrow weight is about 476 grains shooting at 256 fps love the arrow and how quiet they actually are

@alexreutov9496 4 ай бұрын

Are you shooting the match axis been thinking about getting those or some rip xv

@westtexbowhunting 4 ай бұрын

@@alexreutov9496 match 🤌🤌🤌

@derrickross192 2 жыл бұрын

You can use x-impacts with nexxus 75gr titanium outsert/collars with a little tinkering. I use 250 spine x- impacts, sand off a tiny amount off the top so that the 350 size nexxus titanium collar will slide on. It's a tiny bit smaller than the x impacts so that's why you need to sand a small amount. Use boning cool melt Glue. Sand the inside of the Shaft and clean it. Using the cool melt Glue will allow you to tune the Inserts after installation so they spin true. If you don't like them you can boil water, stick them in it for 3-5 seconds and use pliers to pull it off. Super easy just time consuming.

@derrickross192 2 жыл бұрын

I forgot to add that this nexxus outsert/collar system can use regular broadheads/field points. I might be wrong but I believe day6 makes an outsert system similar to this lol

@kellyclinefelter 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the content! It has been super helpful getting me all setup. Mathews Atlas 4mm Axis and Ive been using the same dozen since they came out, but your videos essentially made me dump the wrap and the 4 vanes. I used the original aluminum inserts on the first dozen and Im looking at the next dozen wondering what I should glue into them. Is there a good titanium option that isin't stupid expensive or a better option? The easton half out titaniums are looking like $90 a dozen...

@alsmith7316 2 жыл бұрын

Their 4 fletch configuration was not very good IMO. 4 AAE Max Stealths? Those vanes are tall, long and heavy for a 4 fletch configuration. No wonder they did not group very well. Arrow flight would have been much improved using something lower profile in the 2-2.25" range. 2.25" Xvanes in a 4 fletch would be lighter than 3 AAE MAX Stealths. About the same weight if you include a 2.75-3" long wrap. Seems they ran this test in a way that would back their position that 4 fletch is the wrong way to go. It probably is if you are using Max Stealths. BTW, did you see the new video with the Turner's? Bodie is running a 4mm shaft with AAE 23 Hybrids. Those hybrid vanes are very close in spec to the the 2.25 xvanes. Don't give up on 4 fletch just because these guys do not like to run them.

@kellyclinefelter 2 жыл бұрын

@@alsmith7316 I’ve tried the 23s and didn’t like them so I’m sticking with 26 and I’m going with 3 because of foc. Rogue strings clock right where the stick zebras clocked left. It’s time to switch it up so I figured if I’m stripping all my vanes I might as well tinker with my foc and see if I can improve. I do see your point tho in the end whatever groups better is a winner and in this case with the 26 vanes the 3 fletch worked better but i do see your argument

@travisshockey4442 Жыл бұрын

@Al Smith agreed I used heat vanes 4 fletch on the axis with a slight offset and they group as good as any 3 vane I've shot but I've never shot any crazy left helical 3 vane setup yet either so what do I know

@jeffreyfred4817 2 жыл бұрын

3 fletch vs 4 fletch with a fix blade out of the hooter shooter would be Interesting to see

@dmc31405 2 жыл бұрын

They are referred to as the High Muckimucks. Lol... After nock tuning. Try 3 vane helical, .18 FOC.

@RobertKearl-Outdoor-Adventures 2 жыл бұрын

I have 2 arrow set ups Yes I've snorted the fairy dust , 1st set up is Sirius archery's Vulcan arrow 682 grains 249 fps 2nd is the Sirius orion's micro .166 aluminum post SS collar 125 grain head 18.4 to 19.7% foc at 255 fps

@saskhuntsman2980 Жыл бұрын

I went with nexxus arrows last year and aluminum insert/outsert. Wish I would have went with the titanium option. Took a nice whitetail and the tip is all bent to shit, so it’s going on the euro mount.

@prestonyoder2931 2 жыл бұрын

Loved mfjj shot at the ranch fairy👌😂🤣😂

@tylerisbell6916 2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts are if you aren’t getting pass through with 5mm you need to take a step back and we work your whole set up. A good penetrating arrow starts off with a really sharp fixed blade broadhead. In my opinion 16-20%foc is optimal. 550 grains with a fixed broadhead and around 16% foc is a killer

@TheHorribleOutdoorsman 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I shoot 553gr at around 275-280 with 19% FOC. Hammers.

@albert1613 2 жыл бұрын

You should look at Nexus bowhunting for inserts, they are great.

@elktough777 2 жыл бұрын

So you going with the 4mm Victory’s then? Did not catch a final decision there?

@TheWilliams0404 2 жыл бұрын

As for you elapsed time of arrow flight Distance = Velocity X Time (x=v*t) ... So you can if you know the distance and rough estimate of the time V=D/T

@daryljones445 2 жыл бұрын

Does it make a difference in how far back the fletchings are? I've fletched tons of arrows and haven't really seen any real difference.

@montuckyman4982 Жыл бұрын

Nope. Just put em where you want them. Unless you want them on the front of the arrow . In that case, step away from the fletching jig now!🤣. But just keep them from touching your face if it bugs you or make so you can touch one to your nose. Whatever you like best. Not a single archer in the world can shoot the difference in steering between 1" and 4".

@terrillallen6331 2 жыл бұрын

Just need to use position, time, and velocity equation. X=Xo+1/2(Vo+V)t, just solve for t. Vo=start velocity, V=final velocity, Xo= start position should be 0, X final distance. t will be flight time

@nickfrenchak1145 8 ай бұрын

Shoot through chronograph to target to get speed and measure exact distance from bow to target. Distance / speed = time.

@tristanhusnik3061 Жыл бұрын

Speed= distance/ time sooo if you know how fast your arrow travels and are at a set distance. You can calculate the time your arrow take to hit the target. Aka Time= distance/ speed.

@nicolasmora5395 2 жыл бұрын

To test flight time, the high speed camera would be best. Watching many years of mythbusters it seemed that’s what they used most when testing flight time and velocities.

@pullthefliers 2 жыл бұрын

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@deanbrantley 2 жыл бұрын

I know the FOC benefits. But please ABT with some Victory Xtorsions with HIT inserts. By far the toughest and best arrow I’ve used. I’d put pigs equal or above elk in toughness because of the compact frame and I have an arrow right now I’ve looked for on 3 occasions. I’m going back with a metal detector to try and find it.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Will put it on the list!

@BarryAdams777 Жыл бұрын

For measuring flight time differences, a chronograph & a little math will do.

@DelraySwampViking 2 жыл бұрын

Goldtip calc put my arrows at 2 percent lower FOC than measuring nock to balance and total arrow length btw

@woodyousley2712 2 жыл бұрын

I love the the Victory Vap TKO 4mm I just wish they would come with a stronger outsert system. I’ve had good luck on game and shot my first elk with one but you will soon get a wobble with those longer aluminum ones they use. and yes I have used the Easton Titanium 55 grain but on a big hog I shot it blew through but on the recovery of the arrow it split the sidewall on the arrow. The Titanium sits flush to the arrow and on hard hits will split the sidewall. Just my experience.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@techstuf4637 2 жыл бұрын

I always chamfer the inside shoulder of the arrow to prevent insert shoulder induced splitting. I will buy inserts for the next spine heavier than my shafts so that the insert outer diameter is slightly bigger than the shaft, so that I can tightly wrap a single layer of high strength spectra fishing line from behind the slight insert overhang to back about a 3rd of an inch. Then coat the line wrap with epoxy. May be overkill, but no splits since. I still have the old Kinetic that I first tried it on, and it just won't die.

@woodyousley2712 2 жыл бұрын

@@techstuf4637 The issue I was having with the Titanium by Easton that it sit flush so once you put a broadhead either fixed or mechanical it made such a longer system on the end that worked as a leverage that on certain hits it would split them. Not always but ruined a few.

@techstuf4637 2 жыл бұрын

@@woodyousley2712 Been there. Part of the reason I switched to .204s instead of the .165s

@montuckyman4982 Жыл бұрын

All outserts and half outs suck balls and aren't worth using. That's the main gripe with 4mm shafts.

@rockylopez3017 2 жыл бұрын

I like iron will up front with the 4mm just wish they made white nocturnal or strobing, also yellow setups dont match any nocturnal available in g nock

@smau990 2 жыл бұрын

For Josh, and Easton if they'd listen. ANY inital bend or eccentricity, .001 .0001, in shaft OR nock OR insert, will have much greater effect on the dynamic spine at launch than spine consistency around the shaft. If there's clear stiff seam it can dominate, but if there's any bend in the system the end result of nock tuning will be a combination. So even if Eastons react to nock tuning it doesn't mean their claims of spine consistency isn't true.

@MrRourk 4 ай бұрын

Why are there so few makers for 4mm & 5mm Arrows?

@rodfetter1374 2 жыл бұрын

It's in my quiver

@kennethblack3312 2 жыл бұрын

Build a board that has checkered board look to measure the speed then use a high speed camera to slow it down.

@bmook019 2 жыл бұрын

An engineer should be able to punch the numbers into an equation to get you flight time. Similar to pinwheel and other site tape programs.

@ElkShape 2 жыл бұрын

Got it

@justintaylor428 2 жыл бұрын

All my easton arrows shoot differently threw paper bare shaft depending on knock rotation so id say that easton rep is full of S.

@benjaminrees6560 2 жыл бұрын

Valkyrie broadheads man. I use the Ximpact with the Valkyrie system Ti broadhead. Money! Does use a aluminum collar, however, I've never had any issues with them bending due to how far the pin goes into the shaft. Snyder Core copied this design from Brent.

@RobertWilliams82-22 2 жыл бұрын

So what is y’all opinion on the new swacker technology??? Not the actual mechanical broadhead itself, but the idea of the arrow having the male threads and the female threads being in the broadhead itself… that would give you an option to do what I’d call a fixed insert-outsert system where there could be a collar for the outside that is permanently attached to a male threaded post that goes into the shaft… would be durable as crap!!!

@ephlax18 2 жыл бұрын

you forgot gold tip kinetic pierce platinum's

@jeff_8789 2 жыл бұрын

Checkout Brandon Mcdonald youtube he did a video on timing a 400gr and 800gr arrow at 60yrds or 80yrds timing difference was .1 second

@marksamluk9879 Жыл бұрын

I sold my pse 2020 mach 1. For my first mathews V3X 29

@JordanStreun 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I’m missing something but shouldn’t your fps give you flight time? I guess you’d have to have the chrono at different distances but you should be able to do that. Right?

@JordanStreun 2 жыл бұрын

@UCSMTFFBK7hmoRu3dsqv8BDA Dan you have people scamming your channel

@Ninjamovesbeh Жыл бұрын

Vap tko!!! Out performs the rest! If the problem is vap outsert system why not get the best outsert from a different company? Just saying you have to stick one company lol

@missionman4539 Жыл бұрын

A quiet bow is imperative! I think a heavier arrow helps with that . Just my 2 cents

@MikeyWoomer 2 жыл бұрын

You need a broadhead on the front of that hunting arrow. I honestly don't know how much a 4mm arrow will help with a 3 & 4 blade broadhead either. Maybe with a 2 blade it might help ?. I can't imagine there is a big enough difference between 4 5 or mm arrows with a broadhead on. White tail it definitely doesn't matter. I'm not a elk hunter. But damn it I wish I was

@timbow50 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I’m old school, but I prefer a larger than 4 or 5 mm. I don’t like the idea of having anything larger than shaft diameter behind the broader

@dougblaney-df1rd 4 ай бұрын

Im curious what the hell are you shooting into, its not bone.

@brokespoke5424 Жыл бұрын

Distance in feet divided by velocity in feet per second 50 yards is 150' 150'÷280fps =.53 second flight time 150'÷180fps =.83 This doesn't account for drag coefficient but it's really close