Elon Musk's Thermonuclear Defamation Suit Is a Dud
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@LegalEagle 5 ай бұрын
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@OverAnalyst 5 ай бұрын
Free speech for him & various cronies? Definitely! In general? Clearly not.
@TearDownGenesis 5 ай бұрын
Never did.
@itsmebernie 5 ай бұрын
+1 OverAnalyst .. he never cared about actual free speech for everyone
@osmosisjones4912 5 ай бұрын
Legal eagle less relatable sense he indorced Joe Biden
@YusufGinnah 5 ай бұрын
I did n@z! that coming either...
@TheAdAarora 5 ай бұрын
As a non-American the fact that you can just file a lawsuit in whichever state gives you the best headstart is baffling
@bendavidson1210 5 ай бұрын
Well you can certainly file the lawsuit, but like he says in the video you typically won’t get very far before being issued a dismissal if neither party has any connection to the state. Generally speaking the purpose of our specific jurisdiction system is actually to ensure that people only have to defend themselves in states where they have purposefully availed themselves of the benefits and privileges of local state law. This can happen through conducting buisness, advertising, etc.
@gostovahs8121 5 ай бұрын
Only the rich would be able to casually do something like this
@countbenjamin1442 5 ай бұрын
Yeah it's odd to me as an American that our different judicial areas have different rules. So on some states you can't do something but in others you can on a federal level depending on what that judicial area said
@trappedinamerica7740 5 ай бұрын
It’s a terrible weapon against poor people but like everything else the legal system is for the wealthy
@JasonBoyce 5 ай бұрын
the thing is, Musk has the money to pay lawyers to be on retainer 24/7, meaning their only job is to be on-call, and file whatever he wants, whenever he wants to that extent, it costs him nothing to file these frivolous lawsuits, because he's already paying for the representation
@roryregina 5 ай бұрын
It is baffling that most who scream "Free Speech" can't accept that there are actual consequences for that same speech.
@user-gk9lg5sp4y 5 ай бұрын
And also want to restrict the speech of people they don't agree with
@randomocto9842 5 ай бұрын
You can at what you want, but good odds if you say something really bad, you will get backhanded.
@totokekedile 5 ай бұрын
"Free speech is when I get to say what I want and you have to just sit there and take it."
@nunyabiz7699 5 ай бұрын
They want free speech. Sure. But they are not saying that they want free speech for THEM. NOT for everyone.
@offshoretomorrow3346 5 ай бұрын
The consquences for censoring it are exponentially worse. And you don't care.
@bigjared8946 5 ай бұрын
Not doing business with someone is a form of free speech, Elon.
@jasonhammond4301 5 ай бұрын
And the right-wingers like Elon are to thank for that, lol.
@Fubar2024 5 ай бұрын
Yep. I won't use twitterX
@fredfredburger5150 5 ай бұрын
_"Hey that's a nice company you got there, shame if something happened to it, like advertisers pulling their ads if you don't do what we want"_ Technically it's coercion.
@haxie4516 5 ай бұрын
@@fredfredburger5150 Nah, not really. A significant portion of the advertisers who pulled out have stated they have no plans to ever return to advertising on twitter. It can't be coercion if nothing will change their mind. It's free speech.
@bigjared8946 5 ай бұрын
@@fredfredburger5150 Yeah, every business that's ever gone under is due to "coercion" by your customers. Were all the people who quit buying Bud Light "coercing" AB? How about all the people who didn't go see The Marvels? Were they "coercing" Disney? Some company "not doing what you want" is the number one reason people stop spending money with that company. This is actually just capitalism and BASIC market forces. If don't like that you're a communist. Stop trying to nail Daddy Elon to the cross, we need the wood for a fire.
@educing 5 ай бұрын
Free speech for them, a slapp lawsuit to those who disagree with them and a monthly subscription fee for everyone else.
@unholysaint1987 5 ай бұрын
freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences... if my neigbor uses his freedom of speech to call the police and say he heard gunshots and i killed my wife, 6 squad cars show up and shes sitting there eating dinner with me, shouldnt my neighbor get a consequence
@mayonotes9849 5 ай бұрын
@@unholysaint1987Unfortunately Elon is literally doing the: "Free speech for me and the people that agree with me, bans, lawsuit etc for those that don't." but he's rich af so he can afford being a man child and abusing the legal system.
@SharienGaming 5 ай бұрын
@@unholysaint1987 at the minimum the guy should have to pay for that mobilization - but charges for attempted murder by cop would certainly be plausible as well
@LifeEnemy 5 ай бұрын
@@SharienGaming Filing false police reports is typically a crime on it's own, FWIW
@purplefood1 5 ай бұрын
@@SharienGaming I think the specific outcome would depend on the situation there's a good chance it's a reasonable mistake or alternatively a deeply malicious person attempting to get someone killed.
@Unyubaby 5 ай бұрын
"I'm still gonna call it Twitter." And that's exactly why this name change was stupid, unneeded, and just ego-fuel for a manbaby.
@lightknight876 5 ай бұрын
How else is he gonna somehow claim to be the "FOUNDER"?
@emilyrobinson6080 5 ай бұрын
Its like if someone bought the McDonalds brand and got rid of the name, the menu, and the golden arches in favor of the most bland and generic name and iconography possible-taking one of the most well recognized brands ever and throwing it in the trash
@jamesabbot-cole6814 5 ай бұрын
It comes across as a placeholder name to me. As far as I can tell it is something he latched onto in the 90s when the letter X was quite popular.
@tmage23 5 ай бұрын
I call it "Xitter" (the "x" is pronounced as "sh")
@adamb89 5 ай бұрын
But we can still call them "X-cretions" instead of tweets.
@chessbotter 5 ай бұрын
So basically, the argument is "you finding racism isn't real because you pressed the 'show racism' button to do it"
@Justanotherconsumer 5 ай бұрын
White fragility, the book, in a nutshell - if we deny that racism exists then we can claim to live in a post-racist society and admitting that racism exists makes us angry. It has to make us angry, because if it made us think we’d admit that racism exists.
@FrostyButter 5 ай бұрын
Exactly
@artsyscrub3226 5 ай бұрын
Basiclly, "racisim doesn't exist because you reserched it and found racisim clearly meaning you were serching for it" Which i hate this logic even if I'm serching for racisim and i find it that doesn't mean racisim doesn't exist...
@caralho5237 5 ай бұрын
Thats a lot like the "I cant be guilty of racism against you because im oppressed" argument. Elon showing his true colors. Hes a lefty.
@aimemaggie 5 ай бұрын
@@caralho5237 my guy, how did you calculate 3+4 and February?
@rayjaymor8754 5 ай бұрын
Wife: "You cheated on me! You slept with Sharon!!" Me: "This was an extremely rare and uncommon occurrence, and you had to go digging specifically to find this information, so realistically it's not subsantial"
@CptJistuce 5 ай бұрын
"In my defense, you told Sharon to try to sleep with me." "You weren't supposed to take her up on the offer!"
@thewrongsorcerer 5 ай бұрын
Reminder that "free speech" Elon removed tweets critical of Turkey's government.
@michaelgreenwood3413 5 ай бұрын
And Pro-Ukrainian accounts after he got called out for shutting StarLink Terminals off that were on Drones that were supposed to sink Russian ships firing Cruise missiles at Ukraine. and after he said Ukraine should give up their land for peace. Because that worked so well for Neville Chamberlain in 1937. And totally wasn't the cause of a world war 2 years later.
@jakob8922 5 ай бұрын
I am here to commend Elon's increasing efforts to make twitter a completely ad free platform
@_cloudface_ 5 ай бұрын
👏 underrated comment, you've done some top tier KZfaq commenting there Jakob 👏
@thisdudegotreal 5 ай бұрын
I bet he claims this was his REAL motive in his next interview. 4D chess etc
@rajabuta 5 ай бұрын
@@thisdudegotrealis that why twitter is no longer twitter? 😂
@carrieullrich5059 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@SuperAwesomestness 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I guess they won't have to block ad blockers
@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj 5 ай бұрын
Every Malignant Narcissist ever: "The problem is you exposing my bad behavior, not that my bad behavior exists."
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
Every previous Twitter mod: You cannot say the word NIGG-
@michaelgreenwood3413 5 ай бұрын
@@revisit8480 Yeah? Because that's a Racist slur. Newsflash, Freedom of Speech doesn't exist online. You have the rights a site gives you. Nothing more, nothing less.
@exoZelia 5 ай бұрын
"Consequences for my actions are weird and new, I don't like it" - Musk, laying awake at night in between ketamine hits
@stingerjohnny9951 5 ай бұрын
And yet he keeps doing it.
@spoopyvirgil4944 5 ай бұрын
@@stingerjohnny9951 The ketamine hits or the stupid actions?
@stingerjohnny9951 5 ай бұрын
@@spoopyvirgil4944 Yes
@CLLister 5 ай бұрын
what are the consequences? None. Pizzagate was never debunked. Nor did it ever revolve around 1 single gas station in Washington.
@matthewbergeron3641 5 ай бұрын
Hate speach is at an all time low!!! On an unrelated note we have also begun defining "hate speach" much much more narrowly
@michelchamoun9967 5 ай бұрын
hate speech is anyone disparaging elon. everything else is ok
@DanaTheInsane 5 ай бұрын
The only thing he considers "slurs" is cisgender and transgender.
@RichTapestry 5 ай бұрын
@@DanaTheInsane And he declared TERF to be a insta-ban slur, but not any of the other ones that actually are slurs. You know, the types of slurs that if I typed out here on KZfaq would get this comment banned. Those are okay on Twitter though, but not the acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminists! No wonder it's a hive of right wing extremists now.
@Ze_eT 5 ай бұрын
@@DanaTheInsane "Sprinklr defines hate speech more narrowly by evaluating slurs in the nuanced context of their use." Meanwhile, Elon completely bans "cisgender", which is basic terminology that is not used to insult others, for being a "slur". There is no chance to evaluate the "nuanced context" since you can't use the word to begin with.
@queztocoaxial 5 ай бұрын
Hates peach? No, no, everyone on my platform loves peach
@codyvangogh8111 5 ай бұрын
I love that the world has collectively decided to keep calling it Twitter.
@Brasswatchman 5 ай бұрын
I've been going with Xwitter, mostly just as a way of mocking the whole thing.
@sheboyganshovel5920 5 ай бұрын
It might have helped if he'd provided an alternative. X is not a business name.
@nostromonaut 5 ай бұрын
Almost like when he says you can deadname people on the platform again that also applies to his precious company 😂
@johnladuke6475 5 ай бұрын
I really want it to be called The Company Formerly Known As Twitter. We only had to do that for about five years before Prince changed his name back.
@werelemur1138 5 ай бұрын
I tend to use Xitter, with the Chinese pronunciation of x as sh.
@klutterkicker 5 ай бұрын
I wish rich people would stop using the courts as a soapbox.
@brianmelendy1194 5 ай бұрын
THe courts love it though. It pays the bills. The media loves it too. For the same reason.
@ohauss 5 ай бұрын
There's nothing Musk doesn't use as a soap box. Remember, he wanted to use the rescue of a bunch of kids in risk of drowning in a cave to showcase his latest toy and called the hed of the operation a "pedo" when he preferred to stick to established methods.
@GyroCannon 5 ай бұрын
At least the lawyers are well fed
@OscarOSullivan 5 ай бұрын
Remember the time Tony Robbins took Buzzfeed UK to court in the Republic of Ireland my country.
@vanesslifeygo 5 ай бұрын
Imagine the bs fees to defend yourself against a doctor you wrote an honest bad review about.
@FoNgThOnG 5 ай бұрын
"And people will know that advertisers killed the company" I'm rooting for the advertisers at this point.
@Goerge-lu3ok 5 ай бұрын
it reminds me of the bad guy in some movies who believes that he is actually doing the good thing. or some cases of domestic violence where the abuser says to the victim "look what you made me do,this is all because of you"
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
"At least on KZfaq there is no speech that can offend me in any way... I feel safe here... I hope my masters get rich."
@diamondsmasher 5 ай бұрын
When you’re to the point you’re literally telling the advertisers, by name, to F-Off, is it the advertisers’ fault?
@brenudo997 5 ай бұрын
@@diamondsmasher lol look, if we all pool our money together and pay for Twitter Blue or whatever it's called now, we can save the company from all the mean woke advertisers /s
@__goat__ 5 ай бұрын
@revisit8480 You do realise that Musk is one of the richest people right? Why are you writing nonsensical comments here if there is "no speech"? Did the masters tell you to write this? Are you seeing them right now? Maybe you should see a doctor
@Frostbite08 5 ай бұрын
Friendly reminder that "cis" is considered a slur by the "free speech absolutist". Make it make sense.
@crowdemon_archives 5 ай бұрын
He's going to have a bad time if someone on Twitter decides to discuss about organic chemistry lmao
@Frostbite08 5 ай бұрын
@@zvelekva That's incredibly easy to explain. It's a lie.
@Frostbite08 5 ай бұрын
@@zvelekvaImagine that, a viewer of a KZfaq channel about American law is American and is discussing American law. So weird 🤡 If you genuinely believe being in prison would be less bad than being "cancelled", you need therapy. You are lost.
@cameronbreeze4029 5 ай бұрын
@@zvelekva Yeah, poor Elon, he's the real victim. In other news I live in England, have never heard of any law regarding this and when I search for the law you're referencing all I can find is a 2022 opinion saying the exact opposite. Would be interested if you could point me to the law you're referencing since it could genuinely affect my profession if it does exist.
@shadeofsound23 5 ай бұрын
Easy. They use "trans" as a slur.
@trulsdirio 5 ай бұрын
One of the richest people to have ever lived is playing the "the elites don't want me to succeed" card. How delusional can one single person be?!
@Goerge-lu3ok 5 ай бұрын
he is not playing cards,he actually believes what he says. today he uploaded a "meme" feutiring his face saying "so you are not mad at them for lying to you but you are mad at me for proving they lied to you". the guy thinks he is the messiah. thats what happens when you build a huge echo chamber around you of rradicals who cheer for you about everything you say.
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
A group of companies with a net worth in the trillions just ended business with him all in short succession. You could make the case that they're justified, but denying that it's happening and calling it "delusional" seems un-informed to me.
@GhostAeonWolf 5 ай бұрын
@@Goerge-lu3ok He might not be a messiah, but that does not make the gigacorporations rightful.
@Goerge-lu3ok 5 ай бұрын
@@GhostAeonWolf bro what are you talking about? His companies have received more money from the state that Disney could ever dream of.
@WobblyBits_X 5 ай бұрын
@@Goerge-lu3ok It certainly doesn't help that easily impressed technophiles have essentially been worshipping him *literally* as a saviour of humanity (I have seen those specific words many times) for the last decade or so.
@jloiben12 5 ай бұрын
Remember folks. There is a reason why Elon was fired in the first 6 months the one time in his professional life he worked at a business that he didn’t control
@utterlyviolet 5 ай бұрын
What place was that?
@rovgero9932 5 ай бұрын
@@utterlyvioletyo mama
@wow-sham1300 5 ай бұрын
Weird how he help one to multi billion dollar evaluation and created another which has the best record and its own rival is using it
@scarreddwarf9316 5 ай бұрын
Make 1/1000 of the money Elon has made in his life then you can type bro
@rovgero9932 5 ай бұрын
@@scarreddwarf9316 tip riding a man child is crazy but hey ride away
@theoriginaltoast420 5 ай бұрын
"I like free speech, as long as your free speech isnt about me." ~Elon Musk, 2023
@chartsky 5 ай бұрын
King Snowflake and his simping hordes....
@a.w_. 5 ай бұрын
“I like free speech but if you dunk on me online I WILL ban you”
@marylut6077 5 ай бұрын
Elon doesn’t understand, like many, that he means libel and slander. Free speech refers only to anti-government speech.
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
"I like free speech, as long as your free speech isn't about me." - Any leftist ever
@TheModdedwarfare3 5 ай бұрын
@@a.w_.And sue you
@CharlesBallowe 5 ай бұрын
The last thing any advertiser wants is a screen shot of their ad next to something they find offensive. That could be sex, violence, religion, politics, Nazis, etc. If you're offering an advertising platform and can't guarantee that won't happen, the advertisers will run away.
@CLLister 5 ай бұрын
Where are the Natzi tweets? Or are you refferring to him calling out child trafficking? Most people are excited they are running away. You would rather the world be as it is, and Trump be considered a Natzi and everyhting else conspiracy.
@greywolf7577 4 ай бұрын
But wouldn't that mean that advertisers couldn't advertise on any social media? Even the most strict social media with the best monitoring software and thousands of moderators can't catch every bad comment. There's millions of comments. You are always going to get some that sneak through. It seems like a zero tolerance policy would be unrealistic here.
@tOGGLEwAFFLES 2 ай бұрын
My personal favorite that I found was an ad for Carnival Cruises on a KZfaq video about the sinking of the Costa Concordia, Costa Cruises being a subsidiary of Carnival.
@relight6931 5 ай бұрын
Just a reminder! When those kids and their couch got stuck in a flooding cave in Thailand and a group of divers got organized and managed to save them all, Musk idea over this globally known situation, that captivated the whole world, was to propose to make a submarine to go through those caves, and when one of the lead divers said that his idea is frankly...moronic, he actually publicly called the hero diver a pedophile.. The diver sued Musk, but lost since it's kinda hard to get justice versus someone with billions for lawyers..
@penguinista 5 ай бұрын
Next time I go explore a cave, I am taking my couch. So much more comfortable!
@relight6931 5 ай бұрын
@@penguinista Haha
@bootstrappedfriend1752 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the reminder. The man acts like an immature tw*t. Whenever the opportunity presents itself. Without his money, someone would have shut him up ages ago.
@mattvjmeasures 5 ай бұрын
That "paedo guy" tweet was when my opinion of Elon started to diminish. Now I really don't know what to think. What is he doing ?! I can't help but admire what SpaceX are doing, and those Tesla cars do seem pretty bloody good, but flipping heck, Elon, what is going on with you ? Stress? Fatigue ? Genuine arseholeness ?
@lizzie-6247 5 ай бұрын
@@mattvjmeasures I understand it's hard to see the flaws in someone you admire, but Elon's been childish and hateful for years
@nordicFries 5 ай бұрын
It's hilarious to say "We define hate speech more narrowly now - and "Hate speech impressions are way down" at the same time. No shit, if you stop counting racial slurs and nazi imagery as hate speech your numbers will go down.
@rnokmh 5 ай бұрын
"Welcome to Las Vegas, now with 12% less rape!"
@DarkOmegaMK2 5 ай бұрын
"We have confined the definition of free speech as those who use the expression "deez nutz", this has, in turn, lowered our hate records!" *Days later* "Hate speech records are at an all time high!"
@bast713 5 ай бұрын
Right?!?!? The statement itself prompts a "and how did you arrive at that conclusion?"
@Nobard0 5 ай бұрын
They redefined it because people who are apparently allowed to say certain slurs were getting banned for using them.
@nordicFries 5 ай бұрын
@@Nobard0 They allowed nazi symbols and to say the n-word. They allowed KKK-members to spread propaganda and they allowed known antisemitic groups tp spread anti-Semitic fake news. They did add some anti-republican phrases to that list and started to ban journalists who reported on the changes and questioned the decision. That was Musk's whole idea of "free speech".
@pattressel3864 5 ай бұрын
Speaking as a (now retired) software engineer, who has been tasked with investigating tricky issues "escalated to engineering", the methods used by Media Matters to detect and document the issue are entirely proper. First: If the problem occurs randomly, that is, if its frequency is based on statistics, and especially if the problem is reported with low frequency, then in order to reproduce the problem in a reasonable timeframe, and obtain multiple examples of the problem, of course one runs one's test for the issue over and over, preferably under automation, not by having some unfortunate human poking buttons, and one repeats the test as rapidly as is feasible. Second: One sets up the test using the reported conditions under which the problem occurs. One does not, should not, try any settings whatsoever. This is why we ask users what they did before they observed the problem...so that we can reproduce the conditions. One does not ignore the reported conditions, try something else, then say to the user, sorry, works 4 me... Note that the "user" here is the advertiser, not some random X user looking at their feed. The issue here is not how often does some user who never does anything but look for cat videos encounter a non-cat post with toxic content. It is, does the advertiser encounter the problem, yes or no? Does the advertiser have their ads shown on toxic posts. Of course one must examine toxic posts to reproduce the conditions.
@jnewcomb 5 ай бұрын
We have GOT to stop allowing corporations and wealthy jerk faces from judge shopping. This is ridiculous.
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
Quote from the video you're currently commenting on: "Basically, because nothing happened in Texas, I would expect a motion to dismiss." Don't think that because lawsuits get filed in convenient districts all the time that courts just roll over and let them proceed. The courts already throw those sorts of cases out on the regular.
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
Except if Twitter provides a safespace for me and shuts everybody else up, like it was before :(
@TheModdedwarfare3 5 ай бұрын
@@revisit8480I too cannot contemplate other people having feelings and existing in a place.
@jnewcomb 5 ай бұрын
@@whitesoxMLB And it's a waste of judicial resources and time. Would you like to pay for this waste or prevent it happening all together? Plus, lest we forget "Judge" Kaczmaryk, they DO NOT ALWAYS get thrown out.
@lococomrade3488 5 ай бұрын
@@revisit8480 "shuts everybody else up." You mean: Restrict Hate Speech. Just admit yall want to be bigot racists, and let's be done with it.
@Nemo12417 5 ай бұрын
The fact that Musk shopped around for a judge tells you all you need to know about it.
@JordanDragonAs 5 ай бұрын
And still lost
@NostalgiNorden 5 ай бұрын
The fact that you can shop around for judges tells you all you need to know about US democracy.
@davide4725 5 ай бұрын
@@NostalgiNorden Not really, it says more about the justice system than democracy.
@Kodiak42 5 ай бұрын
@@NostalgiNordendon’t drag democracy down with the failings of our judicial branch
@judychurley6623 5 ай бұрын
Well, his lawyers did.
@apjtv2540 5 ай бұрын
Elon Musk is the sort of client who probably pays more for his lawyer's therapy bills than he does their attorney's fees.
@AskenOrbital 5 ай бұрын
Musk pays his lawyers with 4chan memes.
@SRFriso94 5 ай бұрын
Still pays better than being Trump's lawyer. Equally unenviable task though.
@EzraM5 5 ай бұрын
If he even pays them...
@royce9018 5 ай бұрын
That was barely a coherent thought… 😅
@kunicrossgaming 5 ай бұрын
I wanted to say "at least elon pays his bills" but then I remembered... Luck for the US he only qualifies for president of South Africa...
@realalbertan 5 ай бұрын
Companies can choose to not give their business. Blaming Media Matters is scapegoating
@CLLister 5 ай бұрын
Companies choosing not to do business because of a child trafficking meme are in big trouble.
@Ahdok1 5 ай бұрын
Question: Twitter's main defense here seems to be that Media Matters "only followed accounts known to post hateful content". If twitter says these accounts are "known for hateful content" why haven't they removed those accounts?
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
Because Musk is trying to re-brand Twitter as a pro-free speech platform, and banning accounts for posting content that other users disagree with would be inconsistent with that.
@KonradTheWizzard 5 ай бұрын
... or blocked advertisements on those accounts to prevent the exact problem that those (paying!) advertisers complain about? Why don't their engineers do their job? Ohh, wait. They fired those engineers. They don't have a job.
@blahchop 5 ай бұрын
Free speech and freedom of expression. Targeting an individual on the grounds of their beliefs can get you in a lot of trouble legally, but it's also just a moral quandary. Quoting from popular religious books could actually be perceived as hate speech. This'll probably take hundreds of years of squabbling and meandering about in the courts and communal conversations before it gets figured out by the masses.
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
@@blahchop Twitter faces no legal risk from censoring content it doesn't like. Not only does the First Amendment only prevent government (not private) censorship, but it's actually the main law protecting platforms' right to take down speech they disagree with so that they aren't compelled to support it. The US also has no law against hate speech. Of course, you could say that morally it's good for Twitter to promote free expression even if legally they don't have to, but that's a separate matter.
@CLLister 5 ай бұрын
Right?! Anyone defending pizagate should be banned immediately.
@tremkl 5 ай бұрын
Ahh, I do love the defense of “Hate speech is actually down, because we significantly narrowed our definition of hate speech.” 😂
@GoodLawgic 5 ай бұрын
It is responsive to "hate crimes are up because we widely broadened what is labeled a hate crime."
@fakemaster 5 ай бұрын
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
@haxie4516 5 ай бұрын
@@GoodLawgic Lmao, 10/10 for failing on that. Nobody said hate crime. It's hate speech.
@zachrodan7543 3 ай бұрын
It is right up there with "unemplyment is down, ever since we changed our definition of unemployment to exclude those deemed 'unemployable'"
@BatAmerica 5 ай бұрын
Wow, Elon Musk made a stupid decision involving free speech? In other words, today is still Tuesday.
@Bacteriophagebs 5 ай бұрын
Well, that's how you tell that it's Tuesday. The rest of the week, he makes impossible promises that his companies can't deliver.
@ChasetheG 5 ай бұрын
It's Wednesday in Australia.
@prize9550 5 ай бұрын
In other news*
@rockshalunesta 5 ай бұрын
I for one am shocked SHOCKED I tell you!!! 🙄
@herauthon 5 ай бұрын
ill wait for tomorrow to answer that ..
@thehoodedteddy1335 5 ай бұрын
Musk’s lawsuit seems to think that the problem is that they made the ads appear next to the offensive content, instead of the problem that is being displayed that THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MODERATE THE OFFENSIVE CONTENT
@ewarwoowar9938 5 ай бұрын
I feel like Twitter essentially admitting that adverts can and do show up next to hate speech might be something of an issue for their case lol.
@Blasted2Oblivion 5 ай бұрын
So he bought a social media company, opened the doors to the absolute worst of humanity, then complained when it was pointed out that his choices had negative consequences.
@robertnope1993 5 ай бұрын
He musk’d it.
@fuilli 5 ай бұрын
"WAH WAH WAH, why do my actions have consequences?!" - Elon
@nimajneb8897 5 ай бұрын
Elon: We are going pro freedom on twitter! Advertisers: We're gonna use our freedom to stop advertising on twitter Elon: no not like that
@angryhands9564 5 ай бұрын
Kind of disappointing this video was as obviously slanted as it was. I like a lot of the content up to this point, but you’re obviously just trying to poke fun at the lawsuit instead of diving into why this doesn’t exist as libel or defamation, etc. Obviously statements made by them could be harmful to the business, so why not focus more on that then trying to demean Elon? I’m not even Elon‘s biggest fan, I feel pretty much nothing towards him, but this just feels like a biased or very opinionated video. But may be that’s what it was supposed to be is opinionated and less factual.
@Bettersucksaul 5 ай бұрын
@@angryhands9564it’s still entertainment, not purely educational
@schneeente3440 5 ай бұрын
The point of the lawsuit is not to win it, it is to cause financial strain to the defendants to make other journalists think twice about reporting something negative about X, fearing they might have to pay legal fees if they do. I think that intention to intimidate should have been mentioned in the video.
@SaintKines 5 ай бұрын
And of course pander to a specific audience
@WyvernYT 5 ай бұрын
In the meantime, there's a newsworthy trial going on and other journalists have good reason to remind people "there's a lawsuit about racist stuff on Twitter" and "Musk is suing the people who found racist posts not the racists who posted it."
@jonathanmarth6426 5 ай бұрын
The thumbnail says "SLAPP" which stands for "Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation" and I think Devin also uses that term in the video too. It's a pretty well known tactic and in some states you can get a case thrown out if you can prove it's a slapp suit. Of course you can usually find a reason to sue in a state that doesn't have anti-slapp laws.
@sonoda944 Ай бұрын
Thats literally the definition of the SLAPP lawsuit
@jackbeach942 5 ай бұрын
I swear these days the bad guys from Scooby-Doo would sue the main characters for business disparagement😂
@talideon 5 ай бұрын
2:55 Oh, yes! This! I recall being stuck in my office building nearby Dublin city centre after this because I'd made the decision to go there for a charity gaming night. When this all kicked off, a friend of mine who'd left the company but who comes back for gaming nights spent hours ferrying people all over the city. He's a Slovakian and thus, as a foreigner, a target of that riot, but he didn't know that at the time, and why should be have been needed to: he just cared about people getting home safely. The _one_ thing Ireland have mostly managed to avoid is right wing radicalisation, and I very much want to avoid the scotes from ruining what's best about this country.
@fredfredburger5150 5 ай бұрын
Imagine equating "right wing radicalisation" with "fiery but mostly peaceful protests"
@barbararowley6077 5 ай бұрын
Even pre-Musk, Twitter had a serious problem moderating hate speech when it used terms that were offensive outside the US. I saw really vile things said to Australian First Nations people that were dismissed by Twitter mods as not hate speech when the words used would get you kicked out of any Australian pub (we have a high tolerance for swearing, but not for racial slurs).
@_BangDroid_ 5 ай бұрын
As an Aussie, totally agree. But now it's worse because many non-racist people have left and the place is a cesspool constantly stirred by elmo
@mhods4457 5 ай бұрын
Hate speech does not exist other than in the listeners' mind. Stop willfully choosing to be offended.
@platt_mallar 5 ай бұрын
@@mhods4457 Let's ignore the intent of the speaker, and just blame the victim.
@mhods4457 5 ай бұрын
@@platt_mallar Yes it's called having thick skin, and once upon a time, most people did. Tell me, why should I care what someone I don't respect says about me? Why should you? You want to make it illegal for another human to say something that offends you. That's literally what fascists do.
@hikarikouno 5 ай бұрын
@@mhods4457 You can't "have a thick skin" when bigots use these twisted rethorics to cause harm to real people. The reason we regulate hate speech is because spreading hate causes real harm besides "Someone called me a poopy head online :(".
@foobarFR 5 ай бұрын
For a free speech absolutist is very prone to determine who has the right to say what about him.
@nuxxism 5 ай бұрын
They don't want speech to be free for everyone. They only want their speech to be promoted and free of consequence.
@marylut6077 5 ай бұрын
@foobarFR free speech protects and enables anti-government speech, Elon is not the government so he and everyone else is protected by libel and slander laws
@zengrath 5 ай бұрын
Yep, I found it interesting how he went after people on twitter also posting information about where he is. Like most republicans, freedom of speech only applies to them, not other people despite claiming they support all freedom of speech.
@bil8647 5 ай бұрын
No wonder one of his children divorced themselves from him. Imagine having that narcissist for a dad.
@AnimeShinigami13 5 ай бұрын
Just remember folks, free speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of being an idiot.
@CLLister 5 ай бұрын
Correct. And his OFFICE memetweet that started this fire is the reason advertisers are leaving int he first place.
@JSSMVCJR2.1 4 ай бұрын
Nor does "Freedom of Opinion". A Death threat might be free speech, but not a viable opinion, or something you can be free to do without consequences.
@mitchellpeterson7943 5 ай бұрын
Just remember folks, whenever you are feeling depressed or down just remember, there are literally people who defend Elon Musk online.
@sticklera 5 ай бұрын
Why would you want to feel worse? 😅
@korosuke1788 5 ай бұрын
Because he is a twitter-loving eftie. Musk has so much money he couldn't care less.
@elvingearmasterirma7241 5 ай бұрын
Dont remind me that my father thinks he is actually a good inventor etc
@BobNinjaCat 5 ай бұрын
@@elvingearmasterirma7241it always astounds me that people like your dad will worship people like Bill Gates or Elon Musk as some kind of genius who got a good hand in life. They're idea guys with tons of money. You, me, ANYONE could have pulled off the same with their money.
@tricursor2481 5 ай бұрын
It's so sad how much he wants to be looked at as a hero, when he simply purchased the rights to be called a cofounder of tesla and hired extremely talented engineers at SpaceX and tesla, working them to the bone. The companies work in spite of Elon, not because of him. He purposely kneecapped their autopilot to cut back on cost (he says it was due to appearance of the car), thinking that simple rgb cameras with no depth perception would ever be as good as cars with lidar and radar. It's insanity to trust a tesla with human lives, even cars with lidar have issues but they are still miles safer than tesla's "solution".
@tinkerer3399 5 ай бұрын
It's kinda like a car company suing a crash center for failing their car in a crash test because they intentionally crashed the car. But what would Elon know about car companies... wait.
@balaenopteramusculus 5 ай бұрын
Hahahaha!
@ashleydstone8623 5 ай бұрын
you say that as a joke but I do believe the NBC has had a lawsuit filed against them by GM... I'd have to dig around and find the specific case number but I believe that's actually happened.
@JoeBidenHatesU 5 ай бұрын
Not quite. It’s more like someone who knows they have shellfish allergy going to Walmart and buying some shrimp, goes home, cooks and eats the shrimp then writes a news article blaming Walmart for their allergic reaction.
@tinkerer3399 5 ай бұрын
@JoeBidenHatesU That analogy would only make sense if the Walmart in question was advertising that they have no shrimp in their location and going on and on about how impossible it was to have any shrimp in any of their buildings. So if a person can walk in and buy some shrimp then Walmart was lying weren't they?
@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control 5 ай бұрын
Sometimes I'm not so bitter that I had a relatively difficult life compared to billionaires because at least I was forced to grow up.
@nenaaa1444 5 ай бұрын
Exactly
@KaiserMattTygore927 5 ай бұрын
No kidding.
@IncertusetNescio 5 ай бұрын
"I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express." - XKCD
@five-toedslothbear4051 5 ай бұрын
Something I would like to point out as a software engineer. And I think it applies here because we are actually talking about software. When we test software, we don’t test it delicately by not stressing it and treating it with kid gloves. We test software adversarially. We test software under harsh conditions. We test software under conditions where we are trying to make it fail, and it must not. That is what Media Matters is doing here. What they are doing is not organic, but neither is the testing that Twitter’s safety department, if it were to actually exist, should have been doing all along.
@SynchroScore 5 ай бұрын
And isn't Elon Musk supposed to be some kind of computer programming-type guy? Like, that was supposed to be his only actual, legitimate skill? He's definitely not an engineer, probably thinks that a newton-meter is a device for counting fruit-filled cookies.
@tygerion4404 5 ай бұрын
@@SynchroScore Nah; his one real skill is having money, and being able to gaslight people into thinking that he's responsible for everything done by the companies he owns- even when the thing he's claiming credit for was in development well before he took over.
@friedrice4015 5 ай бұрын
@@SynchroScorehe claims to have a physics degree (which it turns out he never finished) and use that to pretend he’s kinda like an engineer
@WyvernYT 5 ай бұрын
I expect he laid off the Twitter software testing guys too. As it's been written: Test your code, because where you type "foo" some clown will type "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious."
@SynchroScore 5 ай бұрын
@@tygerion4404 And naturally, he and his sycophants bring up the engineers who actually do the work only when something goes wrong.
@professional9123 5 ай бұрын
"Twitter, which is now X but I'm still calling it Twitter" Devin's doing the lord's work here.
@benoithudson7235 5 ай бұрын
I feel like it unfairly gives Musk's platform some kind of legitimacy to keep calling it by its former name.
@RNorthex 5 ай бұрын
I'm a little torn whether to call it Twitter or X. Twitter is giving it too much credit to what he turned it into and calling it X strokes his biblically enourmous ego.
@stevenn1940 5 ай бұрын
@@RNorthex it annoys muskrat, so it's twitter to me. Especially since the URL is still twitter
@annphillips1086 5 ай бұрын
I saw a video earlier - I think it was David Pakman - referring to "Twitter, now known as X" and then to "tweets, now known as X-cretions". Classic.
@matthewbergeron3641 5 ай бұрын
I hate when people don't know the difference between Fascist and Nazi. It's the worst when somebody calls somebody a faccist, and they defend themself by saying "that's insane I'm not a Nazi" even though Nazi is only one specific type of faccist. It's like saying "Hey you own a car right?" and them responding "Bro you know I don't have a mustang stop asking", when that's not really the question. It's like how alot of the claims is that twitter is an ever growing faccist playground, where the worst people group up and proceed to push more and more violent ideologies, and twitters response is "We don't openly support nazis! So stop asking if I love faccists"
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
Well, it's not like most of the folks throwing out the label "fascist" nowadays are using it in a careful or technical sense to begin with.
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
>fascist and nazi are not the same thing >nazi is just a different form of fascist literal 200 IQ post What people get wrong is BOTH terms. Most of the time, nowadays, they are looking for "authoritarian". As in: Can you authoritarians just all shut up and let me post the n-word again, without getting your KNICKERS in a twist?
@cameronbreeze4029 5 ай бұрын
The example is great because much like the person in your example these people certainly know there is a difference and instead answer a totally different question they feel they can plausibly deny.
@Douglemagne 5 ай бұрын
Fascism is the authoritarian immune response of a culture enforcing its norms against an invading ideological source, particularly Bolshevik communists. The anti-communist resistances in Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, Hungary, China, and Cambodia are examples of fascism. The modern authoritarian Christian revival movement in the United States is another example.
@fredfredburger5150 5 ай бұрын
@@whitesoxMLB "Facist" or "Nazi" these days just means "anyone who isn't a leftist"
@ChrisHendrickson82 5 ай бұрын
The fact that this was published three days before my civil procedure final makes me feel a special kind of happy.
@scruffy-thejanitor 5 ай бұрын
Good luck on your final!
@persianking44 5 ай бұрын
It's amazing that people still don't understand that freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. But in Musk's case it isn't surprising in the least.
@oliver_twistor 5 ай бұрын
And that it only regulates interactions with government, not between private entities. I believe it's because very few people actually read the Constitution. They just go with what trolls on social media claims free speech is about.
@JoeBidenHatesU 5 ай бұрын
There’s a difference in organic consequence and conspired consequence. I’m sure media matters being located in DC is just a coincidence though.
@griffin123122 5 ай бұрын
@@JoeBidenHatesU "there is a difference between organic consequence and conspired consequence" what conspiracy do you think happened here? "I'm sure it's just a coincidence MM is in DC" why would this matter?
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
How is this related to the current video at all? Feels like the anti-Twitter crowd showed up based on the title and jumped straight to commenting their favorite slogans. Defamation laws (or "disparagement" here) are limitations on freedom of speech. Musk isn't even on the pro-speech side of this lawsuit.
@bardoomguy 4 ай бұрын
Quite telling that you people always say that. Always. Your disdain for other people's freedom of speech is crystal clear. It's funny, because I am 100% certain you'd be a singing another tune if the political camps were reversed. No principles. Just pure tribalism.
@kevak1236 5 ай бұрын
What X lawyers are saying is that Media Matters just did a simple software stress test using some predefined variables to see if the expected results happened and they did occur. I thought space karen was a software genius, this is literally software testing 101.
@rhov-anion 5 ай бұрын
I know! I laughed at this whole thing. It's a basic software stress test, and they failed. Twitter/X should be doing this DAILY.
@a.w_. 5 ай бұрын
Considering he nominated and elected himself to run engineering at Twitter you’d think he’d be familiar with stuff like this.
@drcatspaw 5 ай бұрын
What does that say about the advertisers? Did they ALL completely fail to do their own stress test? Or did they just decide advertising next to some of these things didn't hurt the bottom line enough to care? I think we all know the answer to that.
@ChenKaifeng 5 ай бұрын
@@drcatspaw Great point. These advertisers are huge companies with software and advertising systems of their own. They're not ignorant to how advertising is paired with content.
@JayM- 5 ай бұрын
Space Karen 😂 is the perfect name for Elon Musk
@fantomp1773 5 ай бұрын
"By repeated scrolling and refreshing until they found what they wanted to find" sounds exactly like the organic twitter experience honestly.
@bobsteven2363 5 ай бұрын
I opened twitter once, the first image I saw was a real life picture of dead child children. The post had millions of views and It didn't have any warnings or censors. It was in the home page, even tho I only interact with lighthearted memes. Underneath that post was an ad. I didnt click on that ad or think about its contents, I could only think about the horrific image I saw.
@dracoargentum9783 5 ай бұрын
Lol, was just about to type “well, technically, Media Matters _did_ set up the situation for the ads to be set up next each other: they joined twitter.” and then he effectively said it.
@Redactedlllllllllllll 5 ай бұрын
and this means? what exactly? that advertisers should somehow believe that this can only happen if someone "forces" it to happen? He got a bunch of nazis on his platform and no sane person wants to associate with nazis or people who believe nazi adjacent fairy tales. you probably one of em, i got em at my job, who knew americans were so nazi like?
@mmcmann9539 5 ай бұрын
I hope Media Matters asks for EVERYTHING about the finances, user numbers, and advertising in discovery. I have a feeling it will be very embarrassing for him. Well, he doesn’t have the capacity to see it as embarrassing. He will blame everyone else.
@greenfloatingtoad 5 ай бұрын
He doesn't have the capacity to admit to seeing it that way but i think it will still gnaw at him
@Faded.Visuals 5 ай бұрын
The issue is that Media Matters, most likely will pay a hefty fine. I do have a law degree and I do practice under the supervisor of my senior coworkers, but defamation and assassination of character and attacking one's livelihood happens literally all the time. I'm in civil cases usually, one of these day I plan to move onto criminal/federal, but liability cases are so frequent and it has been proven that Media Matters, did ran a sting operation to give the appearance that most advertisers had their ads next to racist, sexist and etc posts and ideologies. Which is technically illegal. I can personally go make a bunch of accounts on twitter/X and spammed your feed stating that "you hate grandmas and are planning on killing every one and stuff" without authenticity backing it up with raw & unedited facts. You would see me in court saying that I "cancelled" you and you cannot make a single cent on your legitimate business because I "killed" it off thus ending your livelihood. Besides, the crap I have been seeing on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok are far more problematic and quite troubling. Now I don't care for Elon, but the man has a case where either Media Matter will have to pay incredible large amount of fees, for potential lose earnings for both the company and shareholders, and possible declare bankruptcy
@griffin123122 5 ай бұрын
@@Faded.Visuals "it has been proven that media matters ran a sting operation" no it hasn't lmao, Musk claims they ran a sting operstion. They didn't teach you that you have to _go to court_ first before you can say your claims are true?
@All-the-wonderful-stars 5 ай бұрын
@@Faded.Visuals So X has free reign to lie about their services and anyone that challenges those demonstrably false claims is now civilly liable? Twitter CEO said "we don't advertise next to nazi content" Media matters went "look at these ads next to nazi content looks like that nazi ad filter doesn't work so good" Elon: I'm going to sue you for proving that what we said was not accurate.
@davidjennings2179 5 ай бұрын
@@Faded.VisualsI'm not quite sure you read what they did but their claim wasn't that this is everywhere but that it happens - Musk's response was to admit it does happen but only in contrived circumstances. Companies started to cancel contracts for advertising where, as stated in the video, a single instance of it happening broke the standards they expected, contrived or otherwise. Because Musk admitted that this is possible under twitter's rules all Media matters are responsible for is highlighting this truth. That isn't to saw Musk's expensive lawyers won't be able to draw something out of it or drive up legal fees such that they go bankrupt but from an initial legal point of view the case should be thrown out.
@FlosBlog 5 ай бұрын
Elon: "The bird is freed" Also Elon: Kills the Bird
@johndemeritt3460 4 ай бұрын
"Space Karen" . . . I hadn't heard that, but I LOVE it! I noticed the reference to Murray Energy's SLAPP suit against Last Week Tonight. I hope John Oliver has an opportunity to send up Space Karen as well as he did Bob Murray. THAT was INCREDIBLE, and will probably remain one of the best pieces of satire of the 21st Century!
@yourwifesboyfriend6081 5 ай бұрын
One point that was mentioned but wasn’t expanded upon was that Twitter had claimed to have already identified those “controversial” accounts, but they don’t have any guardrails in place to prevent advertisers from sharing space with those accounts.
@JABoyle3875 5 ай бұрын
I cannot wait for the day when we don’t have to hear about the temper tantrums of an emotionally stunted man baby with skin thinner than a newborn.
@Justanotherconsumer 5 ай бұрын
There seem to be quite a few of them these days.
@petermoller8337 5 ай бұрын
Trump?
@LuminousLead 5 ай бұрын
As long as world wide news exists, I don't think humanity will ever stop hearing from or about people like this.
@penguinista 5 ай бұрын
Paradise at last!
@Ramschat 5 ай бұрын
@@petermoller8337 Yeah, my thoughts exactly. This is the new reality now, we sadly have to get used to it because there's more of these megalomaniacs just waiting to get their time to whine.
@FCastle23 5 ай бұрын
Remember when he was going to end world hunger if they gave him a plan to do it, they did, he whistled and walked awkwardly away
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
He lived in Africa. He should know it sucks.
@SineN0mine3 5 ай бұрын
I appreciate how you just call it Twitter, instead of calling it "X, the platform formely known as Twitter" like some presenters. If we all just keep calling it twitter they'll have to come up with a proper name for it or just change it back.
@offbrandsoup2579 5 ай бұрын
His divorced dad energy is off the charts 😂
@chrisdalton8221 5 ай бұрын
"A rat was found in KFC chicken" "Hey thats not fair! You went to the worst kfcs in the city and ordered 100 buckets from each like you were trying to find rats" Like the point isnt how uncommon it is, its the fact that it happened😂
@bat6353 5 ай бұрын
I love the mental gymnastics from muskrat's online man harem trying to explain how silencing critics is defending free speech.
@quiquaequod322 5 ай бұрын
I love the use bizarre of the word "inorganic," particularly when dealing with computer systems. What's wrong with "atypical," or "contrived?"
@mikek7050 5 ай бұрын
The outcome of any lawsuit won't matter. He'll lose, because he's wrong. But he'll claim bias, and "They" want to take him down. It's all too predictable.
@glynrh8892 5 ай бұрын
Yep, it’s about getting the victim card and the platform. Even he must know this doesn’t have legs
@micolashcage267 5 ай бұрын
It’s funny how many will fall for it too. Worlds richest human is actually a victim of the powers that be. Oh the humanity.
@TheChlozie 5 ай бұрын
Idk. I'm no expert, but one time Musk called someone he didn't like (because they criticised him) a 'pedo' online. The person took Elon Musk to court for that but Musk still won. I found it baffling. His legal defense boiled down to 'it was a joke' and somehow that won..?
@mikek7050 5 ай бұрын
@TheChlozie That is protected by the first ammendment. If the person was able to prove damages, he might be able to get something, but how does one prove they aren't a pedo.
@_BangDroid_ 5 ай бұрын
He'll go full trump. Never go full trump
@Hunterreaper4444 5 ай бұрын
As time passes it gets harder and harder for Elon’s fans to prove Elon is a genius
@yourwifesboyfriend6081 5 ай бұрын
Better to keep quiet and let everyone think you’re smart than to open your mouth and prove them wrong, or something like that.
@RichardZERO 5 ай бұрын
@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 Takes one to know one!
@brianthomas2434 5 ай бұрын
Won't stop them from trying.
@brianfox771 5 ай бұрын
@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 I think it actually goes: "better to keep quiet and let everyone think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I think it is a Mark Twain quote. But, yeah, with regard to Elon, your version makes more sense.
@KaldironTheWise 5 ай бұрын
i find it rather frustrating with twitter not holding the hateful and troll posts responsible no matter how many times i report them its always somehow not violating their terms of abuse [rolls eyes]
@dillbourne 5 ай бұрын
Consider it like this: Media matters effectively found some undesirable behavior in Twitter's site. Instead of calling that a bug like any normal programmer, Musk has the gall to call it "Tricking the Algorithm" and then attempting to act as if that resolved him (or Twitter, rather) of responsibility of having buggy code with undesirable behavior. This is like trying to dodge responsibility of having buggy code in a self driving car OHHHH WAAAIIIITTTT
@Daemonworks 5 ай бұрын
Ever notice how "free speech absolutist" basically always just means "fascist"?
@KralTube2 5 ай бұрын
tfw you're so far left that free speech is far right
@basiaszendrei1603 5 ай бұрын
So well said. 😂 Free speech is not about spewing insults and racist sh*t with no consequences. For them it’s to say outrageous things, not a debate.
@WyvernYT 5 ай бұрын
Indeed. Ever notice how "free speech absolutist" basically means "my speech only, not yours"? Of course they're fascists.
@dylanzwick 5 ай бұрын
There really should be a federal anti-SLAPP law.
@andrewcoyne4035 5 ай бұрын
But how would that work? You can't penalise people for bringing cases to court or threatening legal action. That's a real slippery slope. People with ligitimate legal standing could be threatened by a anti slapp law, which would be the height of irony.
@razorburn645 5 ай бұрын
@@andrewcoyne4035 You don't seem to understand what frivolous means. If your case has merit the anti-slapp law has now effect. You really seem to want it to be legal to use lawyers as weapons against the poor.
@Flexsan 5 ай бұрын
@@andrewcoyne4035 I get the feeling you don't know what anti-SLAPP laws are. The whole point is to prevent and punish illegitimate lawsuits.
@andrewcoyne4035 5 ай бұрын
@razorburn645 no I know what frivolous means. I'm actually worried poor people would be punished by companies trying to use illegitimate anti slapp threats. But good jumping to conclusion there.
@dylanzwick 5 ай бұрын
@@andrewcoyne4035 - You absolutely can penalize people for bringing cases to court. It happens all the time, in both state and federal court. If you'd like to know how a federal anti-SLAPP law might work, I'd first recommend checking out how they work in the many states that have them. Those would be a good starting point.
@Satherian 3 ай бұрын
I find that most interesting part of this is Twitter *admitting* that Nazi content is hateful and yet that stuff was allowed to exist.
@johnoneil9188 5 ай бұрын
It is hilarious to me that here in Europe the url bar still says Twitter every time I am there. Not even the internet itself agrees to that name change.
@francespyne7316 5 ай бұрын
I will never understand why people don't understand that the constitution specifically states the government shall not . . . It doesn't state a person or company can't
@michaelfried3123 5 ай бұрын
To quote Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does."
@valolafson6035 5 ай бұрын
Watching these videos tells me, there are a lot of things people don't understand about their rights.
@maxdanielj 5 ай бұрын
They'd have to actually read it to know that 😂
@brianmelendy1194 5 ай бұрын
Because they've never actually read it.
@Xhistris 5 ай бұрын
Same reason they still don't understand 'freedom of speech' doesn't mean 'freedom from consequences' and claim they're being oppressed and censored when others use their same freedom of speech
@Zookegger 5 ай бұрын
The fact that the investors haven’t filed a motion of no confidence in Elon yet is shocking.
@pansepot1490 5 ай бұрын
Probably they have written it down as an inevitable loss. Patrick Boyle has made a video on Twitter financial situation. Did you see it? It’s excellent.
@danielelkadi3499 5 ай бұрын
You clearly don’t follow Wall Street. Very common not the first person or not even the first time he got that. Yet his investors became the wealthiest relative to earnings within the last 10 years. Find another angle to hate.
@jdotoz 5 ай бұрын
He owns 79% of it.
@OneTrueScotsman 5 ай бұрын
Especially Tesla. Musk's association with the brand is putting off more people than it attracts.
@rfwillett2424 5 ай бұрын
the vast majority of them took the money and ran.
@EricMesa 5 ай бұрын
thanks to your previous videos, I was already thinking about SLAPP, etc. Great job continuing to educate us non-lawyers in the law.
@zachvalzach2434 5 ай бұрын
4:47 Ah, yes, my favorite source for the staying power behind "defamation" lawsuits: unnamed *criminal* prosecutors. Magnificent.
@CinJyxxe 5 ай бұрын
So here's my thing about this, and I hope any court of law would come to the same conclusion: if I buy a phone, and through a series of easily replicable button presses, I overload the battery and turn it into a potential explosive device. In that situation, regardless of who is legally at fault for the explosion, the phone company will still be legally required to recall that phone model and fix the problem once it is made clear that it is a problem with the phone model itself, not some kind of individual device flaw. Just because you have to go through a convoluted series of actions to expose a problem doesn't mean that problem doesn't exist. As dumb as he is, Elly-boy knows that. I'm guessing the only reason he doesn't take the much easier approach of fixing how ads work on his site is because he likes it the way it is.
@TylerWardhaha 5 ай бұрын
And a journalist should be able to report on the issue.
@littlebear274 5 ай бұрын
I was trained in dealing with safety calls when I worked for a phone manufacturer so I can confirm it's absolutely treated this way by the company. It *did not matter* if the customer created a safety issue by misusing a device. If there was any possibility that the phone could cause harm we had to investigate it and make sure the public wasn't at risk. I don't live in the US so I don't know what the law there says about it, but the company (which is based in California) sure as hell agreed.
@aquaticborealis4877 5 ай бұрын
If Musk had simply made efforts to address the issue, then he would have avoided the advertiser fallout. But nope, he literally told them to go f@$# themselves in a public way, and is using the court system as a weapon. Literally the opposite of what a reasonable rational person would do.
@utterlyviolet 5 ай бұрын
@CinJyxxe OR it's simply cheaper to bully journalists into not finding faults with Twitter.
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
So here's my thing about Discord. If it's chinese spyware, that collects your data and every conversation you've ever had, then why aren't the feds getting involved in shutting down Discord? The only reason seems to be that... the feds like spying on the people. Imagine the internet without the censorship the way it is now - like an early 2000s version of the internet. Elon wouldn't exist, and I could call you the n-word constantly and laugh about it. Which one do you prefer? lmao
@auggie532 5 ай бұрын
elons life and reputation would be improved SO much if he just never posted and had an actual PR team 😭
@utterlyviolet 5 ай бұрын
I'm sure he DOES have an actual PR team. Thing is, he probably doesn't listen to a word they say.
@rfwillett2424 5 ай бұрын
I suspect he used to, and I think he had a someone who kept him out of trouble and from saying dumb things. He's obviously stopped listening.
@AYVYN 5 ай бұрын
He wants to seem cool to the fringe internet wackos, but doesn’t realize that 99% of people are busy with obligations and real jobs.
@Goerge-lu3ok 5 ай бұрын
@@rfwillett2424 i dont think so. i believe he was just more moderate. the constant cheers from his right wing echo chamber he built for himself are turning him more delusional and more radical by the day
@whitesoxMLB 5 ай бұрын
@@AYVYN If you think 99% of folks are on your side, you may be in an echo chamber of your own.
@davkatjenn 5 ай бұрын
Elon Musk: If it wasn't for his money, no one would care what he says or what happens to him. He is an example of "great arrogance follows great wealth".
@EmceeJoseph 5 ай бұрын
Devin knowing more about the nature of algorithms than Twitter's lawyers is hilarious
@HeisenbergFam 5 ай бұрын
Elon looks like the guy who would uncontrollably laugh at a picture of dead deer in the pool
@michaelfried3123 5 ай бұрын
He even looks like the sort of guy who would drown a deer til its dead in a pool...
@T.GLongstaff 5 ай бұрын
Oddly specific
@Bluey2600 5 ай бұрын
thanks for the massive throwback lol
@jackhenry1899 5 ай бұрын
Tbf, that was a trip
@T.GLongstaff 5 ай бұрын
@@Bluey2600 is this a reference to something??
@mrsex69 5 ай бұрын
Elon Musk: "It's free speech UNTIL you use it against me."
@OneTrueScotsman 5 ай бұрын
Like the right wing in general. They decry wokism and cancel culture until they are offended by something, usually a black actor in a leading role, or storyline involving a same sex relationship. They're the biggest snowflakes. They're used to having everything their own way. What they forget is that those they seek to oppress are well experienced in it and have survived it and come out stronger, and will never give up being who they are to please bigots.
@weliveinasociety3324 5 ай бұрын
Yes that's how Nazis operate
@Yumi_Jay 5 ай бұрын
Exactly. I don't get his deal.
@macheadg5er 5 ай бұрын
But it is not free speech. You can't yell fire in theater unless there is a fire and what Media Matters did was start the fire so they could yell FIRE. That is NOT free speech.
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
Twitter before Elon: "It's free speech UNTIL we decide it is not." Seem familiar?
@Jasoneason132 5 ай бұрын
It shouldn't matter how they got the anti-Semitic tweets to show up, but rather the main concern should be that they were there at all.
@bardoomguy 4 ай бұрын
It clearly matters, a lot. It is IMPOSSIBLE to perfectly moderate anything when you're dealing with such a platform. What matters is the extent to which it is shown.
@curiousnerdkitteh 5 ай бұрын
Racism on Twitter isn't "needles in the haystack", more like needles in the pincushion, and Musk likes to keep needling.
@lococomrade3488 5 ай бұрын
More like needles in a heroin house. Needles in a diabetic research facility. Needles in a tattoo shop. Needles in a needle factory, ffs.
@hellomynameisrodney 5 ай бұрын
Musk even admitting that it takes someone to do something 'special' to game the algorithm admits cracks in that algorithm but won't take responsibility for those cracks. Instead he's real mad at someone for pointing out the cracks for the world to see.
@oliver_twistor 5 ай бұрын
In university when studying for my computer engineering degree, I remember a teacher telling us that anything that is possible to do within the computer program or system you're building will eventually be done, so in order to prevent users from doing things you don't want them to do, you must make it impossible for them to do so. Musk thinks that the equivalent of a "Please don't search for racist stuff" warning message is prevention enough.
@FlorinArjocu 5 ай бұрын
It is a deliberate action, not a "bug" what Twitter does. The greed is higher than moral in Elon's head.
@revisit8480 5 ай бұрын
>inb4 "I left a post for the algo, keep it up!" :/ yeah, depends on who's gaming the algorithm huh? Imagine, if you will, an internet without algorithms and state intervention. An internet of freedom. Could a thing like this exist? Welcome to X-Factor. The answer to the previous question is: No. People are literal cattle who trample on their own rights, while trying to escape the big bad wolf, for whom they gladly give up their children. In this next case we are gonna investigate the mythical realm of Discord - a literal chinese spyware program, that gets your data... but that millions upon millions still use... stay with us, as we delve into this realm of child diddlers in furries.
@Kwstr42 5 ай бұрын
its like failing a drivers test and complaining that the test giver was only focused on his errors its litteraly the whole point of the test to see if there is any problem at all lol
@pansepot1490 5 ай бұрын
Or owning a restaurant and complaining that the health inspector searched every corner of the kitchen to find those two cockroaches and a little rat poo.
@AHersheyHere 5 ай бұрын
Elon Musk telling advertisers who pull their ads for his behavior to ‘go f* yourself’ shows how solid his lawsuit is.
@francesconicoletti2547 5 ай бұрын
Elon’s strange elastic definition of free speech. What media matters was doing was free speech. What the advertisers are doing is free speech. If I understand the ideology of free speech correctly in the marketplace of ideas where all ideas are available through free speech, bad ideas will be forced out. This actually appears to be what is happening here , it’s just that Musk is the one with the bad ideas and he doesn’t want his ideas to be forced out.
@user-ze1xt8bq1w 5 ай бұрын
First of all, Elon Musk only likes free speech when it's things that he agrees with. Second of all, ain't no one is ever going to call Twitter 'X'. Even the news media says "X-formerly Twitter" and never just X. Because X is just a letter of the alphabet! Third of all, I like "space Karen" and will call him that instead, good suggestion.
@SynchroScore 5 ай бұрын
I rather enjoy "Phony Stark" myself.
@Brasswatchman 5 ай бұрын
I've been going with "Xwitter" (mentally pronounced Zwitter) as a way of mocking the whole thing.
@asterlyons8564 5 ай бұрын
The Website Formerly Known as Twitter
@johnladuke6475 5 ай бұрын
@@asterlyons8564 I agree. It eventually got Prince to cut it out, that approach can work here too.
@HepCatJack 5 ай бұрын
Some people have been calling it Xitter pronouncing it as shitter.
@icequeen52 5 ай бұрын
It's absolutely hilarious that Elon whines about people deadnaming Twitter when he deadnames his own kid. Tolerance is a social contract honey, if you can't use somebody else's preferred name, we aren't going to use the name you prefer for your company :P
@frerkshow9874 5 ай бұрын
Good point
@Montesama314 5 ай бұрын
This is the same logic I've used. He can't respect other people so we shouldn't respect his lame middle-school fantasy title.
@SimonBuchanNz 5 ай бұрын
Even he calls it Twitter in that "GFY" interview
@willofdodge1 5 ай бұрын
What us deadnames?
@APerson863 5 ай бұрын
@willofdodge1 a deadname is typically used to refer to the birth name of someone who has since chosen a new name. A lot of trans people change their name as part of their transition, but it is not exclusive to that community obviously. Anyway it is very disrespectful to deliberately call someone by something other than what they want to be called.
@chris61986 5 ай бұрын
So... I'm sure some other software engineers have already pointed this out, but a "rare" occurrence is still an occurrence. In my 10+ years experience, these are also often the most critical items that need fixing. They always seem to impact "high value" users, and then I've got business breathing down my neck to get it fixed ASAP. When your whole business is advertising based, you better make sure your ad placement is as close to perfect as possible. KZfaq already went through this several years ago, but obviously Elon at Twitter thinks he's a genius and didn't need to learn from his competitors.
@Stettafire 5 ай бұрын
As another software engineer, 100% we call these edge cases. And you always gotta try and catch as many edge cases as you can during testing
@bardoomguy 4 ай бұрын
Google could easily afford the adpocalypse because they had Google search, which is a money-printing machine. How would you have done it if you were running a lousy business like Twitter? would you magically moderate all content, so that political activists/the media wouldn't be able to do the hitpiece in question? I have my doubts.
@chris61986 4 ай бұрын
@@bardoomguy Not my area of expertise. But off the cuff, I wouldn't fire most of my content moderation team and I'd develop (or, more likely, continue to put resources into) a moderation strategy involving a mix of manual/algorithmic moderation with a goal of automating as much as possible.
@SKy_the_Thunder 5 ай бұрын
Honestly at this point he's just flailing to find a scapegoat to blame the results of his gross mis-management of the company on.
@sugoruyo 5 ай бұрын
Self-describing as a "chief twit" has to be the most accurate thing Musk has ever said.
@alexbelanger259 5 ай бұрын
Elon's tragedy is having billions in assets, the ego to match and no self awareness.
@donaldwert7137 5 ай бұрын
I've wondered why he needs advertisers, anyway. With all those assets, he could just fund it himself.
@phantomshadowfax5431 5 ай бұрын
youtube comments are the perfect example of no self awareness lol i dont even like Elon musk but thinking he isn't self aware is just stupidity
@cmdraftbrn 5 ай бұрын
@@donaldwert7137 well according to his last rant. that would be blackmail. why would he hold himself hostage?
@unputocalvo 5 ай бұрын
@@donaldwert7137Because the moment he starts selling his assets,mainly tesla stock, those will lose a shitton of value.
@brandonrathbone3690 5 ай бұрын
@@phantomshadowfax5431 no, musk clearly ISNT self-aware. He thought it'd be so funny if he brought a random sink to Twitter HQ with him. It's stupidity to pretend he has self awareness
@evapawlowska 5 ай бұрын
Can you next talk about Elon calling companies not wanting to do business with him ‘boycotting’ lol. I just saw something about him suing Disney
@SteamboatW 5 ай бұрын
Could you do a bit on the two Tesla lawsuits in Sweden? It would be interesting to hear about it from a lawyer. Newsmedia speculates so much.
@jsgoyburu 5 ай бұрын
So... this opens Twitter's safety procedures to discovery, doesn't it?
@HardCodedGaming 5 ай бұрын
"Your Honor, the defendant is only telling people I buried that body in my backyard because they inorganically peeked over my fence."
@razzakbane 5 ай бұрын
And just like with free speech, that's only a problem if it was the government that did it
@akaiappears 5 ай бұрын
They could have made a blog post or something. Instead, they went to court to say: "they're mean and unfair".