eMac Adventures! Part 2/2 - Why doesn't it work???

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3 жыл бұрын

In the second episode of our eMac adventure, we investigate why it stopped working, and make sure its ready for whatever the future will throw at it!
Warning: Contains boring Open Firmware commands. But certainly useful if you want to boot a G4 PowerPC iMac, eMac, or Powerbook from a USB drive.
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@leadscollector 2 жыл бұрын

Those instructions have been the bane of my existence for days. Yours differ from what I keep reading so if this works for me, your my new hero.

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Hope I can help, the trick is finding the address of the usb.

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

What’s funny is that needing to drop into Open Firmware to boot from USB isn’t a firmware limitation, it’s an OS limitation. Any Mac OS 9 capable Mac with AGP graphics or later (1999 onwards, so starting with the iBook, slot-loading iMacs, PowerBook G3 Pismo, and AGP Power Mac G4), with a firmware update that came around early 2000, could boot Mac OS 9 from USB without a problem. It is the Mac OS X bootloader for those machines that doesn’t know how to boot from USB. I worked as a Mac technician in those days, and we just used FireWire for any Mac that had it, since the USB 1.1 ports of those models are slow. That and a binder of install discs for every imaginable OS version. :)

@celebratelife865 4 ай бұрын

These 2 videos are AWESOME. It's so valuable to record and provide commentary on everything you do to refurbish and rebuild these machines. I know I gave you a hard time on the previous video regarding how much thermal compound you used… but you asked for it! Anyways, I recently rescued an Apple eMac with 1.25 GHz processor, 40 GB hard drive, amd 2 GB of RAM, and had it professionally recapped. Taking it apart was somewhat easy. Putting it back together was another story. I attempted to use a USB stick to install the OS but couldn't figure it out. I happened to have a factory disk for 10.5.8 so that's what I used. I'm starting to see why I should have used a previous operating system because I wanted to run a lot of classic apps and the architecture just doesn't support it on my version. 😢 Anyways, lovely videos, glad I found your channel. Subscribed!

@TheBasementChannel 4 ай бұрын

Thanks mate! Enjoy playing with your vintage Mac!

@DanielBartholomew 3 жыл бұрын

So glad things worked out with it. The eMac is a pretty awesome machine and that cliffhanger from the previous video had me worried!

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Me too! Thanks for the feedback 😄

@nahtesalinas1917 Жыл бұрын

Mine won't turn on after a recent blackout.

@TheBasementChannel Жыл бұрын

Oh no! Sounds like you have a terminal case of broken!

@alexwoods1094 3 жыл бұрын

Great stuff. Very inspirational and informative. So nice to see the eMac getting some recognition too. I love mine even though it’s not easiest thing to work on. I’m adamant this model will become sought after at some point.

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes I agree, the eMac has flown under the radar a bit, but hopefully people are starting to see the appeal of these forgotten all-in-ones.

@YvarMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Oh God, had to know what happend.

@1uk503 2 жыл бұрын

I have one, and I love it! still running as media centre

@melaD333 3 жыл бұрын

Great job!

@AlexandrTVOfficialChannel 2 жыл бұрын

My eMac needs some recapping. By the way this is a great channel, I subscribed!

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind comment! Good luck with your eMac recapping 😄👍

@rebeccacerecke4511 3 жыл бұрын

Well done on getting it going Johann, this is a channel for Geeks, but nice to see you and hear your voice.

@mrcyborg9216 3 жыл бұрын

Cool vid

@megatronskneecap Жыл бұрын

TYSM! I needed to know how to boot from a USB on one of these old machines as the install of Tiger was corrupt. I'm not really sure why Apple made is such a pain in the backside to boot from external USB's on these things and then decided to make it 10x easier on Snow Leopard... Annoying.

@TheBasementChannel Жыл бұрын

I guess USB drives weren’t as widespread or as cheap back then. It was all about optical media.

@megatronskneecap Жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel True! I wonder why they gave the hidden dev option todo it in the Darwin Kernal IDE then??? Odd

@pacmania1982 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. I would point out that formatting the drive as extended journaled is the better option. This means that in case of improper shutdown, you reduce the likelihood of loosing files. I look forward to more of your videos!!

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Great info, thanks for the heads up.

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

Didn’t the installer enable journaling anyway? Journaling on HFS+ was bolted on after the fact, so it could be enabled and disabled without reformatting.

@pacmania1982 2 жыл бұрын

@@tookitogo by default it’s selected I think but in this video HFS+ was selected.

@pacmania1982 2 жыл бұрын

@@tookitogo by default it’s selected I think but in this video HFS+ was selected.

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

@@pacmania1982 I know Disk Utility selects it by default. But I’m talking about the Mac OS X installer. Im pretty sure that starting with some version of Mac OS X, the installer would turn on journaling even if it was originally formatted without it.

@sarahwilliams755 3 жыл бұрын

I really miss to Mac intro, it was one of the best part of upgrading.

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

I know right! So multimedia 😆

@ernestoditerribile 2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@brokenelectronics3665 3 жыл бұрын

As a suggestion, if you get a FireWire enclosure and put an SSD in it, you can put the Mac OS installers on that. While Mac's of this era did not boot to USB, at least without the Open Firmware rigamarole, they happily boot up to FireWire external drives. Cool stuff here, you deserve a lot more than 128 subscribers.

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Great comment! Yes I am aware of the FireWire drive option, but the only FireWire drives I have require external power and are quite bulky, which makes them a bit of a hassle to move around and hook up to different machines. I’m keeping my eyes open to find a small enclosure 👍👍

@brokenelectronics3665 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel OWC has a good one, FireWire 800, convertible with an 800-400 cable. Amazon has some cheaper FireWire 400 only ones, which work fine. They are capable of being self powered, but work fine on bus power as long as you are not daisy chaining them.

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I’ll check it out👍👍 Of course in the perfect world they’d make an enclosure with FireWire, usb3, and thunderbolt. One to rule them all!

@brokenelectronics3665 3 жыл бұрын

Actually, the OWC enclosure is usb 3 as well.

@outbackchillin5628 3 жыл бұрын

a sub from me :-) .. I've just bought one of these .. this is "one"of my many interests .. I like your YT style .. so I'll stick around for a while .. hey that rymes ! lol .. one day I'll actually get something usefull up on my chanel !

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Why thank you! Glad you enjoy the vids, I’d be interested to see a video of your machine. They’re a funny old unit.

@christopherhumphrey3519 3 жыл бұрын

I've been looking for a guide just like this because I was experiencing the same problem with my emac, so great work on your part. I'm just wondering if you're using an iso file to boot or a dmg file instead?

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! 😄 I don’t think it matters what format the source image is, you have to ‘restore’ it onto a USB drive in Disk Utility. 👍

@samd3231 Жыл бұрын

I discover your videos and it's great because I just bought an E.MAC ... I will be able to clean it and upgrade it I made Tiger cds some time ago I think it will be easier with CDs ... at least for me... Laughing out loud je découvre vos vidéos et c'est génial car je viens d'acheter un E.MAC ... je vais pouvoir le nettoyer et le mettre à niveau je me suis fait des cd Tiger il y a quelque temps je pense que ça sera plus simple avec des CD ...en tout cas pour moi...LOL

@thespankster1364 Жыл бұрын

@TheBasement I'm trying to install Tiger on my Emac currently, but I'm stuck on the apple logo with loading symbol. Is there anything I did wrong? Could it be a bad dmg of the os?

@benoit843 3 жыл бұрын

I was very happy to encounter your channel, it's nice to see people still carrying about 18 years old computer. Your videos are really great, the editing is perfectly done ! I've also bought on of this for a couple bucks few days ago and it's very fun to re-discover this old machine. Do you think you could put some links for the airport extreme and the RAM ? I really don't know what kind of hardware I'm supposed to use...

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Hey there! Thanks for the comment and feedback. My go-to resource is everymac.com, I use that site for most of my info. I’m sure you’ll find what you need there.👍

@benoit843 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Thanks ! I found everything I was looking for ! Do you know how the RAM improve the experience on this kind of machine, I would like VLC to run mp4 file but for the moment it's working horribly, improving the ram will change anything ? Should I also change the HHD with an ssd ? Or is it Just due to the processor ?

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

I suspect the issue is probably to do with the processor and codec. More modern h.264 codecs are very taxing on these older processors, especially if they lack the hardware accelerators to decode. Upgrading the RAM or installing a SSD would probably not make any appreciable difference. Using older DivX or Xvid codecs will work better. Here’s an excellent thread on the topic that should explain it all better than I can: forums.macrumors.com/threads/video-on-powerpc-part-1-playback-on-g4-g5.1296071/

@benoit843 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Wow ! There is a lot of interesting informations ! I'll try these softwares tomorrow, the author also explains that if you only want to watch videos it's better to upgrade the os to 10.5, do you agree with this point of view ? I heard that the difference between 10.4 and 10.5 is huge, will the G4 handle it ? And once again thanks for your help !

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

You might have to try it and see. I’m not sure 10.5 will help or not. I stick to 10.4.11 for the reasons mentioned in the video 👍

@onigvd77 Жыл бұрын

hey does anyone know what standard the airport card might be or is it an apple proprietary connector?

@retrochristmas7329 2 жыл бұрын

I wish they made one of these but the size of a 55 inch TV 😆

@jondonadio Жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you for the video. I am trying the same thing on an emac I recently acquired and having many issues trying getting the Tiger Installer to run. Whenever I try to do the dir command on the ud alias that was created in Open Firmware, I receive "USB-MS-CLASS: open of DISK-LABEL failed can't OPEN the DIR device".

@TheBasementChannel Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry I’m really not much of an open firmware expert. I just follow guides I find on google. There’s a lot of variables you have to get right, so it’s pretty hard to pin point the issue. Keep trying, you’ll get there!

@AngeloTelesforo 3 жыл бұрын

Those motherboard connectors are hell! I always have problems reconnecting them when I put iMacs or emacs apart. For installing Mac OS on a fresh disk I like to use target mode or a FireWire drive . My install flash drivers never work. (Edit.: now I know why! I’ll stick to target mode lol All that open firmware stuff is just too much trouble!)

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

OF certainly gives me a headache everytime 😅 The problem is I never use it often enough to remember how. I must have filmed that bit 10 times and kept making a small error😂 I might try target mode on the next one, seems like a good excuse to use another old Mac for something useful.

@ernestoditerribile 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel it is just bash. So easy to learn.

@ernestoditerribile 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel just like Unix and Linux. Even in the 80’s and 90’s they used the same commands.

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel I worked as a Mac tech back in the day, and we basically never had to go into open firmware. It wasn’t necessary. If I had to install the OS onto a Mac with a broken optical drive, I’d boot that machine into Target Disk Mode, then connect it to a similar Mac via FireWire, and run the installer on that machine, selecting the first Mac’s disk. Works beautifully.

@TheManaboutown 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff with the eMac. Just one question, I have one also but keeps freezing a minute after the apple logo and screen is white with 2 thick vertical black lines. When I checked hardware test it came back with bad video ram however sometimes it passes also. I think the ATI 9200 Radeon is soldered onto Mainboard which would mean a hard fix. Just checking that there is no easy option to swap out video cards for an eMac. Was hoping to see on your video where the ATI 9200 Radeon was on the eMac and what options if you get Hardware Test failures. Cheers

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry man, I’m just a guy with more ambition than skill. If I manage to fix something it’s probably due more to luck than knowledge. Hope you can find the answer to your dilemma, but knowing Apple from this period, I’d say it’s time to replace the logic board.

@TheManaboutown 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate!

@9bytehub 2 жыл бұрын

Wow a wireless emac nice, im assuming not many websites work though right? The browsers old and site certifications and such. My g5 had airport extreme but still cant use youtube or many websites really. Glad you got it working

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Yes wireless more of a novelty at this point

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Not at all. It worked well and was used by lots of people. In fact, even if you still relied on dialup, the TCP/IP stack in the AirPort Base Stations was so good that it actually gave better performance than dialing up directly from the computer.

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

@@tookitogo I meant having wireless in these machines is not useful today. No one’s claiming it wasn’t useful at the time obviously.

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Ok… “novelty” means “new thing”, so I thought you were referring to how it was at the time when it was new.

@bryanambition Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this! If you happen to still be checking/responding to comments, I have two questions: 1: how did you determine that your partition was number 10? I only have one partition on my flash drive so should I just use the "," without a number? 2: in choosing the file to boot from, I don't see one called BootX on your USB directory, so why did you use that? I can get my directory to work fine but I can't get it to open the bootable file (an .iso). Thanks! ;-)

@TheBasementChannel Жыл бұрын

Hey there! Your ISO is not a bootable USB. You need to restore the install to a usb disk. BootX is the file to run on the installer. Hopefully these instructions help you out. idevicecollector.home.blog/2019/04/02/how-to-boot-your-powerpc-g3-g4-or-g5-from-usb-using-open-firmware-mode/

@bryanambition Жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Brilliant! Thanks so much for giving this noob a dose of much-needed education!

@TheBasementChannel Жыл бұрын

@@bryanambition hope that helps! I forget every time I come to do it and have to relearn it again anyway. 💁‍♂️😅

@thespankster1364 Жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel I'm trying to install it currently, but I'm stuck on the apple logo with loading symbol. Is there anything I did wrong? Could it be a bad dmg of the os?

@dylanrelph6437 2 жыл бұрын

How did you make the usb as i have an emac with no os

@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын

It’s easiest to just burn a CD or DVD.

@lokz9632 2 жыл бұрын

What mac model would you suggest (not intel one) that can run OS7,8,9 and PPC games and applications? I have possibility to buy imac G5 17" 1.9, but I would like to know is there any other model to look for. I was thinking about MacMini G4 1.5, but they are hard to come by where I live.

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Well, that’s quite a wide range of OS. Certainly not possible on a G4 or G5. The only Mac that *might* be able to run 7,8, and 9 is a ‘97 power Macintosh 8600 or 9600, or the 1400c powerbook. You’d probably be better off running that stuff in emulation on a modern machine.

@lokz9632 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel I know that, but real is real. Otherwise I would not have 4*c64 and 2*Amiga500, A600 and A1200 in in my "man cave". :) Is G5 1.9 17" iSight OK machine for hobby? Does it suffer from bad capacitors? Would it be better to chase eMac G4 1Ghz which can boot to OS9 natively and maybe do dual boot? Thanks.

@TheBasementChannel 2 жыл бұрын

I’d get both🤷‍♂️

@lokz9632 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Good one. I'll call you to explain that to my wife... :-D

@user-xm1ez9ib9x 25 күн бұрын

非常感谢！！你帮我解决了问题！在中国没有找到相关教程加油，喜欢你的视频

@TheBasementChannel 25 күн бұрын

Hey! Thanks so much for your awesome comment 😊

@fabianalejandrobautistaalf3562 6 ай бұрын

Hello, I have one of those Macs, how do I record it on the USB, can you tell me how to enter commands into the console?

@TheBasementChannel 6 ай бұрын

Hey there! If you’re asking how to install OSX from USB, I cover it all in the video.

@fabianalejandrobautistaalf3562 6 ай бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel Yes, but I want how to do it, in what format do you use to start installation if the image is iso or dmg format I have a mac just like the one you are showing video if the image is iso or dmg to save it to the usb

@TheBasementChannel 6 ай бұрын

@@fabianalejandrobautistaalf3562 no image, mount the image on another Mac and copy the files over to the USB

@sandravanderploeg-bol5256 3 жыл бұрын

I just got mine from someone it works good but I want to put it back to factory settings. How do I do that?

@TheBasementChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Sandra! The best way is to reinstall the OS. If it came with the original DVDs you can use those. Or else try the USB method I used. Failing that you could always create a new admin profile and delete the old user profiles, provided you have admin access of course!

@sandravanderploeg-bol5256 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBasementChannel thank you.