I think if people would rather spend an hour breaking and placing the same block over and over again instead of using their enchanting system then it would be wise to rework said system

I too just use villagers and it bugs me that they keep trying to nerf them instead of just buffing the table

I do the exact same thing. I made an enchanting table once in one of my worlds because I felt like I had to, but I quickly found out that you could just make a villager trading hall and get almost any enchantment you want and you get to keep that enchantment forever. The villager becomes a renewable source of that exact enchantment. Without the need to gamble at an enchanting table for what could be hours. Yes, re-rolling librarians can and does often take hours, but once you have a villager that gives you a specific enchantment, you have that enchantment for the rest of your playthrough for the cost of some emeralds and a book which is really cheap and can be made cheaper with zombification. So the most optimal way to play the game is to make a villager breeder, then an iron farm, then re-roll librarian trades for a few hours so you never have to gamble at the enchantment table ever again. Enchanting in Minecraft is so bad that placing and breaking the same block over and over again for hours at a time is the preferred AND best method of getting good enchantments. Not by using the dedicated enchanting block that's existed in the game for much longer.

I personally don’t. using villagers early game just doesn’t sit well with me.

Same brother

Yeah they feel about as far from "magical" as the material the tools are made of

@TwentySeventhLetter if enchantments were only things like frostwalker or depth strider, fire aspect or ice aspect, channeling, etc. Then they would be pretty cool, as each would magically change your weapon. If we're just getting stat upgrades like sharpness or unbreaking, it would be better to have a more on depth crafting/refining system like many RPGs have to improve gear. (This could also lead to set dichotomies between a more physically effective armor/weapon set, and a more magically effective one, giving interesting player choice

That's why i love the "Enchancement" mod from doctor4t

@andersonbap8014 it is pretty cool, but I do want some supplement for some of the utility upgrades (like efficiency and unbreaking) so an addition to the crafting system would be nice, but overall it's a great step in the right direction

@@andersonbap8014 It's one of my favorite mods out there, I'm on the discord server for it even

Literally just the Lootr mod. Which would actually be nice if mojang implements something like it nicely.

They need to make Vaults indestructible then, because currently there isn't anything stopping some hooligan from wasting several minutes of their life smacking the Vault until it breaks, which would deny everyone else from being able to loot it (which depending on the context might be their primary objective in the first place, going out of their way to loot as many chests as possible to create artificial scarcity because they want to see the world burn or something) which leads us right back to square one.

​@@michaelbowman6684definitely not, we need to limit stopping people from interacting with their world. Bedrock is fine, end portals are rare, and reinforced deep slate is rare and deep in the world. That's it

@@nutmeggaming11261 Cant you break reinforced deepslate?

​@@michaelbowman6684Making them drop but useless when placed back is better, kinda like the skulk shrieker

and it's still a crime that it doesn't do more damage against the drowned

Don't also drowneds receive extra damage from it

@@kacperkonieczny7333 in java at least, drowned take more damage from smite

@@kacperkonieczny7333 Only on bedrock, not on java. Combat update is supposed to add the ability to deal more damage with impaling on any wet target, but who even knows when that is coming out at this point.

Really only Swift Sneak has that issue since all other enchants can be traded or bartered for, not that it’s a good fix, but at least it’s there

I was at that part right as I read that comment lol

@@uiinpui ok

Yep

pretty sure you can still do that, but in creative

​@@AxelMuga No shit dude, you can put any enchant at any level on any item in creative

To be more precise, it tried to add some rpg elements that have aged so badly, you hardly ever see them anymore. The addition of gameplay changes and new enchantments is what made the whole thing then completely collapse, as the whole thing clearly wasn’t designed with mending and other changes in mind. Examples: bane of arthropods: spiders used to be the 2nd fastest hostile mob when hunger didn’t exist and they could climb over obstacles that players might not expect. Also mentioned in the video, they were 1 of 6 enemies in the game, so the tradeoff could be worthwhile. Protection enchants: they existed before hunger, that is to say, before you could escape confrontations because you couldnt always choose which fights you got involved in, choosing which matchups were advantageous could benefit you. Thorns is similar in that regard: if you couldn’t dodge or run away, you might as well deal damage when taking a hit. Tldr, changes in combat, then mending on top of all that, ensured that many enchants became barely relevant.

it’s because notch had a way he wanted the game to go, but when he left that was thrown out the window. that’s why the older stuff is so different compared to the newer stuff

What rpg elements ?

Yeah pretty much everything added before 1.13 needs a complete overhaul

@@someone.1184the inherite Grindy nature of leveling and enchantments, bosses and dungeons, new unique weapons, and heavily encouraged progression compared to older Minecraft. Not sayings it’s objectively bad but quite a few systems could be made a hell of a lot better.

The worst is when you see a good enchant for the sword and then it gets kb 2 Or when the armour gets thorns

Fire aspect isn't bad though?

@@Qualicabyssannoying against endermen

@@Qualicabyss I'm personally not a fan of fire aspect on my main weapon because: - It rarely affects how many hits I need to kill something. - It makes zombies stronger since they can now set me on fire. - It makes fighting endermans a huge pain.

​@@Archy_The-Wizardit also makes shulkers shit the bed

The mystery is cool, but I don't think it should be valued over making the enchantment system fun to interact with.

@@kindlyevilbgm 100% agree, usefulness and convenience/fun takes absolute priority over feels when it comes to gaming.

Mending isn’t a problem. To players, that is. It however is a hulking problem for the current enchanting system. It is no surprise that by creating a better system, mending no longer is a problem.

The only problem I see with that is that there would be no point upgrading to netherite unless you have mending, perhaps if netherite had even more durability and could be repaired using scraps

My idea for the mending problem: I will describe a few changes from the easiest to implement to the harder ones: 1) remove "too expensive" and the incremental cost for every repair on the anvil. Make the anvil never break. 2) make the anvil only cost material and not exp, or make it cost only one material for every full repair and keep exp cost. (Trident would use prismarine shars) 3) make the anvil only cost one material for every full repair and remove exp cost. (Trident would use prismarine shars) 4) make the tool not disappear but enter a broken state when broken so it can be repaired. With every step, the nerf of mending, or the nerf of its accessibility, becomes more doable, but there still is a problem, the fricking rng in the enchanting system. So more steps: 5) the feature of adding enchants to an already enchanted tool is now an enchanting table feature. Now enchanting is not rng, and both enchant a new tool and adding a new enchant costs some material, the materials needed depends on the enchant you want and the level of the enchant. Now this can be balanced in a lot of ways so I'll give you my take on it with a few examples: All enchants would require lapis, then you add two different material one to determine the level of the enchant and one for the type, the material for the type would be something common (at least for most enchant), for the level my idea is nothing for lv1, amethyst for lv2, quarz for lv3, ??? for lv4, and dragon breath (or diamonds??) for lv5, enchant that do not reach lv5 will scale differently following the same materials (unbreaking would follow lv1 to lv3, protection can go from lv2 to lv5). Enchanted books can be used instead of the materials in the enchanting table and you can enchant books using materials. (The materials used here are just an example and I would be happy anyway if changed). Exp would still be needed and would depend on the enchant, bookshelves would be either needed for higher level enchants or to reduce exp cost. 6) finally, you can implement the experimental features for villagers that mojang showed us, but make the mending book either relatively common loot of ancient cities or a loot for end cities. 7) bonus cool but maybe controversial idea, to add some more progression to the enchanting table itself, too obtain mid level enchants you would need something from the nether, for high level enchants something from the end (even something craftable with just netherrack and endstone just to temporary lock higher level enchants to progression). This could be in the form of an upgraded enchanting table or bookshelf. 8) another idea, make even the enchanting table not require exp. Exp would be ONLY gained when you complete an advancement and would be useless, just a way to tell "how good you are". (Exp would not be lost on death anymore). Mending would work in a different way obviously. With all those fixes mending would be both less needed and there would be two reliable way of finding it (the shorter in the correct structure, if it has to be ancient city maybe add an explorer map for it, the longer using swamp villager). Enchanting table would be way more viable than villager trading in the short term, villager trading would be more a long term option for not spending material and since the enchants are sold depending on the biome would be incredibly reliable to obtain what you want. Now there is one last problem, netherite tools would still be hard to repair, there are a few options (described from easiest to implement to hardest): 1) boost netherite tools durability a lot (like more than 5 times) especially for armor (10 times? More?) 2) netherite tools require only diamonds to repair. (an alternative is using only scraps and not the ingot, but its an half solution imo) 3) make netherite easier to find, my idea is to add a mining potion that allows to see ores (and netherite) through blocks in a range (off course in a range that needs to be defined and to brew the potion maybe something from the end), this would make mining actually scale with progression. 4) make netherite tools actually unbreakable BUT netherite would only be found in bastion in a locked vault as ingots, so no more netherite mining. The key for the vault is either dropped by brutes, that need to respawn every once in a while, or is a bartering trade (makes less sense imo). You would need to explore 4-5 bastion to complete a set but they would be unbreakable. This would make netherite tool super precious and losing them would be a pain, so there is the need to add a a SUPER RARE treasure enchantment to solve this, soulbound when you die the item stays with you. Going for the full set would be the real final goal. I know this would make some PVP fight even longer but that is a problem of the PVP system that should be solved in different ways (more dps, less armor).

@@enn1924 I saw some mod that tweaked durability stuff and it made netherite repairable with diamonds. Imho, it makes a lot of sense.

though hopefully netherite would have to be repaired with diamonds because fucking hell

My issue with this idea is what would be the logic behind the extra resources being used? I like the idea that lapis has the unique power of turning xp into magic through the enchanting table. I don’t see how miscellaneous extra resources fit into that.

​ @crimsonfire6932 Different materials would equal a category of enchantment, Lapiz can serve as the main ingredient from which one can create new Magic Cores, for example, Lapiz + Obsidian could create the item necessary for Unbreaking

@@crimsonfire6932 How do you not understand it? Lapis provides the magic, the ingredient determines the enchantments (like spider eyes for bane of arthropods, or turtle scutes for aqua affinity or something). The material used would represent the essence of the enchantment.

@@lasercraft32 I get that but I don’t think this is the great solution to enchanting that people think it is.

Mojang has explicitly said that not every item or block will be useful. Sometimes it's just there for ambience. I respect that design decision, and I agree. I like his system because it's a smart way to keep it balanced. The Vault Hunters modpack does the same for Vaults - they're the main focus of the mod, but to keep your progress in check, you need to collect a random amount of a randomly selected set of items to enter the Vault.

just get rid of the tiers altogether, lower level tiers are just a trap

Problem is balancing. Depth strider 5 would be too fast.

@@crimsonfire6932 Combine it with a nerf to 20%/level so DSV in the new version is the same as DSIII now

​@@crimsonfire6932they can just change how it scales so 5 is the same as what 3 would have been

Or scale everything down to 4 for simplicity

I presume you mean tool XP by "use the tool hundreds or thousands of times", which isn't a feature in the base Tinker's Construct, it's an add-on THAT BEING SAID for other readers who aren't so versed in modding, 3 modifier slots can still be a fairly interesting thing to debate what you should do with (especially when there are [varyingly expensive] ways to add more slots, like using paper for a component (it's about as fragile as it sounds but just counterbalance the horrendous durability with the other components being s t r o n k stuff it's fine)) especially with some of the TC tools being not so clear-cut on what their optimal upgrades should be The modifiers aren't quite 1:1 with vanilla enchantments like you may think either, and in some cases you gotta make a sacrifice - upgrading a tool to diamond only needs one diamond, but it also burns a slot!

Grian agrees with point 3

Tree approves

@@funkybadlozza1537Lmao. I still remember him being mad about other players taking *his* Mending

I disagree that gamers know more about game design, I think their feedback is very insightful (when constructive) but ultimately game design is a whole process thats far greater than a suggestion or idea for a reworked system. With that out, I think your ideas are quite good!

Issue with point 1: game designers are, more often than not, players too. But they also study games too, and that cannot be discounted. Players are useful for highlighting flaws, the more players that are to identify flaws, the more specific some of those reports will be. Designers’ roles are to figure out the most fitting solutions as well as add new concepts to a game. Tldr, you were being quite reductive about something you don’t know much about. As for the other points, you just want it to be really easy to skip through. In which case, as the video explain, the enchant system itself is broken. Minor fixes will do little. The villager rebalance is a minor fix, a decently good one at that, but as it doesn’t adress the root of the issue, it really is just stalling out a problem and so are your suggestions. I can’t really recommend better systems for the enchantment system, as it’s quite tough to figure out what would be a good set of compromises that would feel satisfying to play around with, but the point brought up in the video about « fake choices » is very valid, and there needs to be some more engaging choices than what we’ve got.

Something that could also be interesting is adding extra curses and every treasure enchant would also have curse added for it. Essentially giving a tradeoff for treasure enchants.

@@kittyoverlooord1300 basically lunar items in risk of rain 2

No, that's a terrible idea. It would make relevant items nigh impossible to get

But with the new experimental villager change you would solve that issue

@@oddlysatisfiedviewer8568 by transporting villagers hundreds of blocks. yeah, that sounds really fun!

@@oddlysatisfiedviewer8568nah the rework just makes villagers worse and makes it pretty much impossible to get top level enchants

Makes sense

Exactly. It seems very risky for Mojang to update these legacy systems - I'm sure some people are still on 1.8.9 because of the combat update, and I'm sure that's why we've not seen a combat update 2 snapshot in a while. Then again, the smithing table did get reworked, so it's not out of the question that the enchanting table does too, but not to this degree (as you said). I think the most likely outcome for an enchanting rework is a fourth option, outside of the table, villagers, and finding enchanted gear in structures.

tf2 players

Nah, bane of arthropods should get a boss who it could affect, ideally a big spider themed boss with minions so the slowness effect from the enchantment can be fully utilized in the fight. Smite was similarly catapulted to stardom because it can no diff withers, which is a very valid niche, bane of atrhropods is useless when the most it can do is one-shot a whole bunch of weak and frail mobs who get one-shot by sharpess criticals already

He did mention that lol

@higgsbonbon I haven't angrily crossed my arms yet, that's when you know things are bad

Sharpness 5 on netherite can never one shot mobs with 20 hp. Smite 5 on a netherite axe with a critical hit can one shot any undead mob except zoglins. That's why Smite is for the axe.

Its mostly the same system, the library is probably the most important thing the mod actually does. The super mob spawners you can create are the second one.

it's my least favourite part of the mod as you only get the best enchants and have no room for any cool ones

Thanks for the feedback. My point was that efficiency I and efficiency II aren't exactly worth getting when efficiency IV is quite common and not hard to get in of itself. I can usually jump to efficiency IV because by the time I have a table fully set up, I usually am level 30. Interesting use case for the middle button though.