I liked the conversations between the colonel and major in the book better. Much more fuller and often times hilarious.

I did read that book. Loved it.

What I didn't like is they left out relativity and that in the book he had to fight with older and less powerful ships each time. Right up until the last fight where it was the very first ships sent. They also lessened the losses, they had drones instead of actual fighters like in the book, so the final assault he did send people to their deaths.

@@lukeclarke267 Very true. In the last battle, he had older ships with fewer fighters on them. And the little doctor was short range.

@@TheRandyWanker yeah, I don't know how I feel about them making the little doctor a super weapon instead of the standard weapon they had. In the book half of the difficulty for him was fighting harder battles with less, lost that in the film. Makes me want to go back and read the trilogy again, haven't read them in over a decade!

Sucks for them that they underestimated him. Meanwhile, his brother is off conquering humanity. Literally. Not joking, that is actually what is happening while Ender is at Battle School. By the end, they have a new government ruled by his brother and even then, his parents make sure they still sit down in their house and eat together like a family. Even ruling the world, they all know who is boss.

@@midgetydeath Brother and Sister were part of the takeover, they are both brilliant..whole family was. As for the sacrifices..even a 100,000,000 lives sacrificed to allow the kill shot to succeed would be acceptable when the consideration is the genocide of the entire human race if the bugs came back to finish the job. what we know from the book of course is that the bugs did not know there was sentient life and when they did...thats when they feared the response and stayed home waiting to see what would play out.

He basicaly killed thoustands of human and billions of alien life.

​@@johndurrett3573 I haven't read the book but the next scene showed it really well when Ender realized he killed the whole species and that humanity had bypassed any chance of diplomacy

​​@@midgetydeathYeap brother is the man amd the real boss

Not only that, but the subsequent chain reaction consumed the rest of Earth's fleet which was composed of actual people, not these pawn drones

@@Sw1mm3rX Yup, it turned the planet into a planet-sized bomb.

I think these ships also had actual humans in them. Well obviously the drones are drones but i think the dreads had humans in them

@@variamente6855 Oh yeah. Ender xenocided the entire Bugger race (To Hell with them, they started it) but he also, unknowingly, let a lot of humans die.

yeah why the hell they go through the drama of space battle when they can nuke it from far away... also there is no resistance in space so everything you shot there will travel until it hit a target

I totally agree. I was pretty unsure of how that would turn out. I was pleasantly surprised. I actually enjoyed the movie for the most part. Yeah, it had some "issues" but they didn't stop me from enjoying the movie. I don't really get all the hate for it. There's no way that they could have made a 100% faithful adaptation of the book; much less the whole series. I would say that something like a series would have been the best way to get into everything but I don't think that would have worked with this, or at least the first book. A mini series, like with just one season, *might* be really cool and explore parts that some people felt were necessary but lacking in the movie. But you can't prevent child actors from growing up. Haha :) The whole age thing in the book probably presents a lot of issues in regards to translating the book to a movie or show.

While I understand the necessity, reducing the army size from 40+1 to 15+1 is quite the hit to the tactical complexity and genius of the battleroom. I think the best medium for Ender's Game would be as an anime.

@@mavoc3094 i belive , if it wasnt for the problem with forced hypeness, i would give this a solid high score of 9-10. problem i feel like is ruining it, is small things all over the movie. how for example, he screams shoot now, u can actually see how many times they have redone the scene over and over, if he kept a cool head during the fights , it feels like he could be seen as a more respectable ``general``

you can't be fucking serious. there are dozens of battles in the novel that illustrate enders tactical aptitude. you would have to be dumb to think this was done well.

99 percent of the dragon army progression is totally absent. this is so retarded.

In his defence, he thought it was a game- a test designed for graduation. Ender was used. And he felt horror when he came to know the truth.

It was a dumb reaction. They had a huge ass cannon, what did she expected?

In the book, he actually has an internal struggle before the final test. Almost gives up entirely. Then, to spite his leaders, he goes to each of his squad members and gives them orders, returns to his spot and then takes the headset off and watches while his team executes his plan perfectly. Only after that does he realize his spite killed a whole species. And then on top of all that, he's told that all the prior "games" at command school were also real.

Maybe, but I think her reaction was actually that she thought it would be a pointless shot as she didn't think of the queens or that the queens might not even be part of the simulation. Ender at this point is the only one who figured out the truth.

@@masquerader101 Not all of them, just the late games. The rest were indeed just simulations. And Ender did notice a lot sooner. I can't remember if he outright figured out the truth well before the last battle, or if he was in willful denial as he didn't want to believe it.

*Begin

I think "I'm about to traumatize this kid entirely"

Except technically his career kicked off because of this battle. So.... no?

@@Tovinthorn Actually this ended it, they "promoted" him to Admiral, gave him one small ship and left him to his devices where he decided to vanish amongst the new worlds that opened up with the death of the Formic Race. He can't ever return to earth because the politicians would use him for their own political games. His career as a leader was effectively ended at this point in the story, by the next story he's pretty much by himself only being an anonymous author with the Pen-name "Speaker for the Dead" due to his mental trauma from committing mass genocide on a species. He's still a main character for a lot of books, but from what I remember he's never again at this level of command.

@@vc180191 Thanks for the clarification from the booklore, I haven't read them so it's nice to know.

No shit. The books are even more brutal. Like the telling of Bean's story. Or his whole life story...It's SUPER sad. Man did I love the series minus the ending from a few years ago. I'd give the series a 9.2/10 minus the ending.

"game"

@@jrpueyo7531 War is a game essentially. A game of strategy with millions of living participants.

You can do a lot if you are not afraid to genocide an entire alien race.

​@@jrpueyo7531highest stake game ever invented.

Ender's Game made acknowledging physics cool before acknowledging physics was cool.

oppenheimer would be proud

@@michalmikulasi5193 Dude, oppenheimer was ruined at what he thought was the biggest mistake hes ever created.

@@gilgamesh7055 i know, of course. i meant the citation

Kids usally are destroyer of worlds, i mean families!

The Inquisition will be proud for that exterminatus

To be fair, she pressed it twice.

@@DeeevTV shit that made me lol so hard

🤣

I believed she smashed those button 😁

You do realise she's trained to fire the most important asset in the fleet right?

It wasn't it more of a lie than a misunderstanding

@@jrpueyo7531 No, the Formics literally didn't realize that they had killed 50,000,000 individuals since the only the Queens are individuals in their species.

what's BSOD?

@@gigantor6519 Blue Screen of Death It's a colloquial term from supporting Windows related to a hard crash that results in a blue screen with white text.

@@lorzon ok. ty

EkhidnaSkiz they did it before it was cool in Empire of mankind

@@Honorultrasmerf It's IMPERIUM OF MAN you heretic!

Yeah Which is why i say only do it when there's no other option

It's what phase 2 of Exterminatus looks like from space. The initial phase is so, so, so much worse. A virus that breaks down all organic life, turning it into a flamable gas. Animals and sentient life get to experience their body basically decay at a rapid level before their death.

@@Nozerone that's only if a virus bomb is used, there are many different methods

Activate Ludicrous speed

Panzerfaust they’ve gone to plaid

That's nothing. We did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs - Han.

That's the swarm for you (StarCraft)

I never understood why they couldn't go after the ships thrusters.They were covered the least and all the drones were facing forward. They could have easily disabled the ship

Pissed me off too

I mean in the original book his role doesn't appear as significant as it was in the shadow series.

I mean in Enders Game he wasn't as significant a character.

I personally think the shadow series was better

Bean got the shaft in the film! Damn shame.

Excuse, I think you means Frigates/Missile Sponge.

I don't care about dreadnaughts!

Ya know! Yikes

I didnt read book, can you explain? Thank you

@@GlitchyRijndael oh my, thats sad, thank you for explaining, at least Ender didnt get to live long enough to hear those lies

@@Trissana281 He actually does live long enough because for all those years he was mostly traveling at near light speed and barely aged. Then he got to meet a bunch of alien pig creatures that chopped each other up, and some humans too, and they turned into trees or something, no joke. Instead of wiping out the piggies and piggy-trees by turning them into crisp wood-smoked bacon (two birds with one stone) which he should have done the same way he did with the Buggers, he gets all sentimental because he's a soft pathetic pussy like Mazer Rackham knew all along.

@@Trissana281 Ender himself is partly responsible for this, since he wrote a book called the Hive Queen, explaining that the buggers meant no harm after all. He writes this with the help of the Hive Queen that he finds so it is told entirely from their perspective and how they didn't know they were killing sentient species. Their reaction to finding that out is rather heartbreaking and the Hive Queen also swears never to kill humans again. Anyways, after 3000 years, this book has taken on a life its own and people blame Ender for killing a species that didn't mean harm, as others have said - however unfairly that is. His argument is that he would have killed them anyway and therefore deserves the blame.

@@Sporkmaker5150 And by being "soft and pathetic" he was able to discover the secret of the virus that had infected the humans and the pigs on that planet, and developed a cure thereby saving the rest of humanity while at the same time identifying a new and more powerful enemy who used genetic engineering to to control sentient species as terraforming tools. Oh yeah and also creating FTL travel too. Yeah what a bitch am I right

I JUST WISHED THEY CREATE THIS KIND OF BATTLE GAME!!LOL

microkosrae Yeah, that and Quidditch ^_^

willow8186 everytime when a movie is created from a book, they would sometime ruin it and that is what i dont like....but this movie was interesting to watch and read...lol....and maybe in the future they can also create are more realistic battle game...lol...

*An aimbot*

@@microkosrae and VR

All drones, well apart from the mother ships crew

Iirc the students were told they were just pieces in a simulation. The "drones" were actually manned fighters and the ships fully crewed. Ender didn't know his commands devastated a whole fleet to win the war.

Tyler Lendt indeed... the only thing he knows is to win besides its casualties

@@vertusrexreus2014 he had no idea it was real. killing npcs in a game does not matter

@@32bandit in the book the fighters are manned in the movie where we now have that technology the fighters are no longer manned

Well that arrogant kid just killed an entire planet's worth of population, so i guess that's accurate

"The arrogant child in your class that no one can stand" is a fairly apt description of Andrew "Ender" Wiggin.

@@fawwazn.1244 ehh well the buggers deserved it

It's only arrogance if you can't deliver...

That was probably the point tbh. But in all honestly, in this movie, you would have to be really ignorant to think that a kid like ender would be there and not be good.

It was a visually stunning piece of shit.

It doesn't show it here, but Ender was so broken by this point, he decided to nuke the planet, because he wanted to lose. He wanted to do something so horrible that they'd never let him lead a real army in a real war because he was too extreme. He thought it was all still a game here in the books. Even when Ender loses, he wins.

@@josephmort4039 Yes, good point. He was trying to get kicked out, I think. I feel Bean might've been the only one who had an idea of what was really going on, though it's been a while since I read it.

@@halleck3 In the books, Bean knew what was going on. I don't know if he knew about the ansible(sp?(the thing that allowed instantaneous communication)) but he knew the battles were real. He didn't tell Ender because that would've destroyed him and he wouldn't've done what needed done.

I'm a huge fan of Orson Scott Card's writing. I think the man himself is a complete loon.

I read the book in 91. I had an IT manager that recommended it to the team as an exercise in teamwork and thinking outside of the box. Movie was so well made, captured the feel of battle school but yea it doesnt do justice to Bean and his team mates.

@@Thulgore Why? Because hes Mormon?

I didn’t really enjoy the movie as a whole but yes; the battle scenes were amazing 😁

@nathan smith so to be clear, i liked the movie and the book, and ender couldnt have won if he didn't exhibit sociopathic tendencies, which all children do. Its why its difficult to figure out which kids will develop sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies at a young age, since all children exhibit symptoms of both at a young age. Feel free to look it up. Definition of sociopath: a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. I would say a willingness to sacrifice entire fleets to win, even though he thought it was a game, is definitely a lack of conscience. In the book he ends up sacrificing thousands of human soldiers for that final shot. So whatever your issue is, go see a therapist and have some thought before replying to a random comment.

We wasn't a sociopath, he actually had a heart, if he had known it was real, he would have used drastically different tactics and probably wouldn't attack at all. If you want a sociopath look at his brother.

@@MrNegima10 I'll sacrifice as many people as I need to, in order to ensure HUMANITY ISN'T WIPED OUT. Being overly empathetic for a few lives would cost you everyone.

@@thegreyghost5846 didnt see this reply sorry for the late response. He does exhibit sociopathic tendencies. I get that he things its a game, but he was still willing to sacrifice everything to win. I get that he feels bad afterwards so a true sociopath he is not, but still.

@@link30222 real easy to say that when its not you actually giving the orders

Greh = Grey Color Coded

Brian Howle Clay West Klay West

Jeremiah Boyd fun fact, the bug meteorite was actually caused by an accidental collision with an Earth ship years earlier, not bug plasma. The army just used an accident as an excuse to eradicate a potential threat. I’m not saying the bugs aren’t violent and invasive, but that time wasn’t their fault

They attacked us first

Agent Washington in terms of the Formics from Enders game, they didn’t understand sentience as it worked for humans. They believed without a hive mind we were just native life that they needed to remove to terraform earth. After they realised humans were sentient, the didn’t send anymore ships to earth. The war ended a while ago, the humans just didn’t realise

except they didn't know the shape, location, or anything about it other than false info on the local network and the areas they could access. even the battle rooms were just closed off areas with no windows

The Emperor protects!

The die was cast when the fleets left Sol. All or nothing for the survival of the human race. All fleet members knew they were sacrificing themselves before they departed Sol. Everyone they knew back on Earth would be dead before they could return anyways due to time dilation at near lightspeed. Leaving Sol, the journey would only feel like two years even though it was over 80 back on Earth. Would discipline be maintained for every single fleet member IRL? Probably not. It's a fiction story that never mentioned those that couldn't perform their duty.

@@saxonsoldier67 I totally agree with you. Now I'm really interested on how these events may have psychologically affected every pilot on every battle. I guess it's up to my imagination now

@@romeovillarojo599 You also have to consider that those pilots at the final battle had witnessed first hand the near extermination of our species by the enemy they were heading out to fight. A lot of them probably had some scores to settle with the bugs

@@romeovillarojo599 The staff of the ships and craft were all told that they were getting the best commander ever and to follow orders. That's all they needed.

The device used for communicating (the ansible I think it was called) across interstellar distances allowed for the ships to be remotely controlled. In the movie battle school is presented as a means of finding the best commander. In the book, it was also clear that it was also to produce a huge number of pilots. The plan was, identify large numbers of smart, competitive kids, who would be able to excel at video games, and some other things, and then bring them up to battle school at a very young age. Raise them in a zero gravity environment, so they would grow up thinking in 3 dimensions (the hive can't do that). Then, when the final battle came, they would be the pilots/commanders of the ships in each battle, so their ships could be destroyed, but the would survive, restart at the next battle - just like a video game (the hive can't do that). So they would get better as it went on (the hive can't do that). And be sure to schedule all the ships to arrive at the different planets, moons, bases, etc., on a schedule that would maximally disrupt the presumed sleep patterns of the queens, optimized for the earth pilots at the command center. The great advantage the hive had, was one queen could control dozens or hundreds of ships. But in war that looked like a video game, it was grandpa, who never grew up playing video games, against 12 year olds who were very good at them, and who were raised in zero-g, so they thought in those terms. The crews on the ships were passengers. They manned guns, did maintenance, fired weapons etc. But the ship itself was piloted, and commanded, by a 12 year old kid back at battle command.

*hype*

who's the villain?

@@ChrisTian-sd5yqEnder, the blameless xenocide. It’s the theme of the first book: the author set up a situation where somebody exterminates an entire species, but somehow cannot be blamed

@@yveslafrance2806 woah, so he exterminated that alien species?

Could have been in 144p... Answer, it's to not be detected for copyright infringement by the youtube algorithm.

More like: Play of the game Ender as Reaper "DIE DIE DIE!!!"

Im already tracer

@@orhinges3590 How about widowmaker?

@@lucassanchez9050 Im already widowmaker

I'll be bastion then

O my son Absalom,' Bean said softly, knowing for the first time the kind of anguish that could tear such words from a man’s mouth. 'my son, my son Absalom. Would God I could die for thee, O Absalom, my son. My sons!

These kids were used to playing by honor rules. Ender broke many of them in response to the teachers stacking the odds against him. Even if they were geniuses, they put their tactics and strategies in a box. Ender fucked that box and punted it out the door. In the heat of battle soldiers rely on their training and those kids' training dictated shooting and avoiding physical contact at all costs.

Plus that there were two armies, each with a leader who would not be commanded by the other. If one of them had a double-sized army and time to train, it would have been a better fight

It was something that had never been done before, ender knew you didn't need to defeat all enemies to win because bonzo had made him hide in matches they lost, never getting hit. They didn't expect the formation to be aiming at the gate until it was too late.

Nah, man. Formics didnt sigh the Geneva Convention, no crimes here. :D

you sure, since he's too much of a crybaby to be the emprah.

​@@hang_kentang6709Read the books. He becomes a literal god at the tail end of the series.

Melvin Pigford I concur, the angsty teen vibes and cracking voice really throws me off

Due to the Relativistic Inhibitor built by the Formics. No high speed impacts allowed by Formic Law. Yes, I'm kidding. Where would the ultimate battle sequence come from if there was no battle ?

Because of how bad it is?

Oli W No because it was sad

If this impressed you, read the books. They'll blow your mind.

@@lilman9626 I second that, book is way way better, I've read it countless times sense childhood. Heck I want to read it again

blahburz Good to know. I’ll see if I could get my hand on one.

After a certain point in the book they give you a logical drop off point to return to where they indicate them no longer being simulations and going to actual battles. Its been so long since I've read the book but I believe it is when they stated that Mazer was taking over basically for the enemy side of the engagements is when they transitioned. There were initially simulations since they had to get them accustomed to using the controls and being in command and fighting in much larger engagements than they'd ever done, transitioning from mock battles in the battle room, to real battles in the battle room, to mock battles for the "Command school", and then just the actual war.

In the book it took the fleet years to reach the home world and they went in waves. The ships that engaged first where closer to earth and had better technology. The ones in the final battle were the oldest and didn't have all the advances of the earlier battles. Almost all of the space battles were actually real battles but Ender didn't know about any of them. He even lost a few battles due to mistakes that actually cost thousand of lives.

@@caseycoonce3382 Think you're backwards on that. The newer ships were faster and more technologically advanced (the super weapon at the end) so were able to outpace the older ones. Going from old to new , not new to old.

James Schreiber you will have to reread the book. The ships that were in the final battle on the Formic home world were launched soon after the second Formic invasion. The weapon was deployed at the same time. Humans could t travel faster than light even long after the events of Enders game. Maze explains all this after Ender commits genocide.

@@caseycoonce3382 Could have sworn that none of the ships were FTL, they were near light speed craft that were reverse engineered from the formics (know ansible was so I might be confused about that one part). Thought I also read that the later the ship was launched the closer to light speed it was able to travel due to advancements in technology (the slower ships reaching the outer planets within six months of the newest reaching the home planet). I do know from the other books in the series (Speaker for the Dead) that Ender travels for 3000 years at near light speed while aging 20 something years as just a byproduct of the trip.

The Formics didn't have FTL travel the counter attack was launched immediately following the invasion any additional invasion of Earth wouldn't arrive until close to the same time the Human fleets arrived if not later. Also in the Shadow series those character are developed more and they have a very human survival at all costs guiding principal.

umhumgum he sacrificed real people only he didn’t know he thought it was another simulation

@@oisincassidy5664 and that's what made the whole strategy twistedly brilliant on the Earth commanding forces side. They ensured a great commander for their fleet that wouldn't be burdened by the morality that they were sacrifing real people's lives.

Dream come true you know:)

" You have been recruited by The Star League to defend The Frontier against Xur and the Co-Dan Armada. "

That’s actually a book, called Armada by Ernest cline.

well, it is Lore friendly that was a pacifist for many lifetimes. he never wanted to be worshipped. it was only when Chaos came to Earth and threatened humanity that he finally stepped up to save everyone.

In the books the kids thought they were simulations. It's specifically stated that ender never would have made the moves he did if he had known he was sacrificing real people. In the books, the kids cheer at the end because they thought they won a video game. The adults are somber because they realize an entire alien civilization was wiped out.

The General lied about a great many things. Those were not simulations... and in the book, there were no drones. Every ship was piloted by a human with strict orders to follow the orders of a 'Trained from birth leader' that would be the savior of humanity. It is explained in the book that when human discovered the FTL communications and travel, that the fleets that left earth first were the least advanced and took the longest to get there. It was a one way trip for them.

@@JdeMonster Technically Beane knew but that actually reinforced the adults idea as when he saw how hopeless the situation was the idea of sending those soldiers on a suicide run didn't occur to him.

@@JdeMonster the buggers deserved it

Plp ain't blind an dumb stupid ass movie

I don't remember that.

@@richardpatterson4312 It's told in Ender's Shadow

More like Command Modern Operation players where you have people sacrificing their planes just to locate US carriers and then send Tupolev bombers at low altitudes (below radar) to pummel carriers with Anti-ship ballistic missiles.

MAKANKOSAPPO!

*Special....

So

@@SophiaAphrodite So the movie was wildly inaccurate and sucked.

And this is why he was never told it was real combat. That's one of the big things about Ender's personality. He never wanted to kill anyone but would do whatever it took to win/survive. The book shows this better especially with the few kids he fucked up/killed trying to get away when bullied.

Well those are like historical Dreadnoughts where in the main armament is useless in combating large swarms of smaller ships due to the quantity, along with the fact that they were infinitely outnumbered meant that strategically they do not matter when the ultimate objective is to destroy the planet

Gooper Loper the debris from a ship that large would provide more destructive potential to the enemy than protection for the friendlies. Large clumps of ship would jeopardise the drone shield. Sorry but I think we are all a good ways off of Enders intelligence

The sequel was actually written before the book, it was called "Speaker for the Dead"