I was wondering why I was holding 9 rockets with no reserve mods. That's more ammo than I know what to do with

I heard it also got the damage buff. However I haven't been able to test this and second hand information.

OG Found Verdict is back baby!

Two to the morgue for the win!

@@thatrikuguy true, never had the god roll so I stuck with verdict

@@carlosjosephgomez1495 did you play on box??

Interesting thought

Good way to buff without going back and forth with rocket damage values again. Having more ammo is a good side-grade.

Yall sleeping on surrounded. it proccs in way more content than you think

@@hughjas7287 while true, looking at overall use throughout the game, which is more consistent? Frenzy or surrounded? Wilderflight has auto load frenzy allowing for easy use for a bait and switch setup against most bosses you'd use a double-fire gl on. meanwhile what bosses can you proc surrounded on? grasp of avarice bosses, prophecy bosses, ghosts of the deep (ecthar maybe), duality (the melee boss who gets melted with the lament), pit of heresy, shattered throne, planets encounter on ron, maybe templar in vault of glass, warlord's ruin is a surrounded meta until final stand on last boss, DSC doesn't really have a good encounter for surrounded and neither does taken king, maybe some of last wish. Surrounded would be amazing on wildstyle for those encounters, however...no reload perks, just envious assassin, which means if you do have to reload during dmg, that's immediately dmg loss. compared to wilderflight with its consistent auto/frenzy roll and its consistency across the entire game, safer than surrounded (which requires three enemies to be within melee range of you), and it's easier to get wilderflight, as you can try for it once a week, while waiting for the pinnacle farm week for it. meanwhile with wild style you have to wait for it to come back into rotation. the overall better ease of use choice for your average player who doesn't have custom loadouts for every encounter is wilderflight.

@@hughjas7287Plus, no auto-loading doesn't matter to Dawnblade cause Rain of Fire.

yeah no hood damage perks no auto loading it’s completely dog shit

waiting for cammycake

Don’t you mean Aztecross’ totally reliable PvE damage testing on Templar?!?! YAHHHHHHHHH!

I'm waiting for maven lmao.

lmao imagine thinking azetecross has any clue💀

Envious + incandescent sounds okay at least from the perk pool but no autoloading/slideshot is a miss

Still curious how SFA/OFA plays out on a double fire frame

First impressions are skimmers are nowhere near replacing sparrows. The lack of destabilizers means that stuff like box breaks are much harder on them (pretty much have to syncbox or upbox, the latter is skimmer only. Skimmers cannot bbox unfortunately). The only things skimmers have over sparrows imo is being faster with the boost/dodge spam and upbox. Also like you pointed out, they can't gain infinite height (without a wall or a quantum skimmer) and they can't infinitely travel horizontally, both of which sparrows can do via slipstreaming. If tech gets discovered, then sure, maybe they're worth considering, but imo they just feel awful compared to sparrows. Maybe they're better for speedruning, but from the perspective of someone who has spent years learning sparrow tech, they basically took what makes sparrows fun, made it worse, then they ruined them by eliminating the skill ceiling. This is made worse by the fact that Bungie made a HUGE buff to slipstreaming by letting you double boost into a 6 set, where in the past you would have to spend a dodge per boost, meaning that you only get a 5 set with 1 boost, or a 4 set with two. Pretty much all of my issues with them would just be fixed if they gave them destabilizers, but trait swapping (summon vehicle, switch equipped vehicle to make the summoned one inherit the traits) destabilizers on a skimmer literally does nothing, so I have little hope that that will change. Maybe tech gets discovered that fixes my issues with them (it IS only the first day, after all), but I don't have high hopes. I'm glad that they're in the game for people who can't be bothered to learn sparrow tech, but I can't help but be upset that their first impression was godawful for the majority of the sparrow community, despite the fact that I 100% expected this to happen

@@SenrabMJam ah sorry I meant for most players they will be replacing sparrows. People who know sparrow tech of course aren't swapping, unless more tech is discovered. I play the game at a more intermediate level. I know some basic sparrow tech (like flying and can sometimes slipstream) but rarely use it.

@@x9x9x9x9x9 for most players that get it*, the skiimers seem cool but i bet there are a lot of players that are feeling very iffy on giving Bungie any money atm

Classic

stronghold has been bugged all season only giving 1x instead of 2x

People already slipstream to do Hypernet skip but the skimmer certainly feels nice to use

That's a good roll, but I think a trench barrel you can keep at the bottom 50% of the mag for bonus damage might be what I go for.

@@sylokthedefiled7650 Yeah trench barrel real solid. Only reason I didn’t hunt for it is because I’m sticking with imperial decree as my trench barrel shotgun

Very good in non-raid content

Loadout swap Mini frags + Backup mag to Spike grenades + boss spec when it’s damage and get the best of both worlds if you can get Spike and Mini/augmented on the same roll.

@@warv6552 I forgot you could do that, that's a good idea

@@roundraccoon6141 Yea. And If you have an adept cataphract you don’t even need mini frags, adept mag alone gets you to 8 then when you proc envious you can get up to 24.

​@@warv6552why wouldnt you just use koraxis though

It already gave x1 to your team no? The x2 was the change

Yeah it's just that you have to pre stack and can't use something like Forb ahead of time

Foundry is ballin

@@TheAegisRelic indeed it is!

Yeah for fireteam damage probably

2 Iron Banners left this season; Apr 2 and Apr 30

common bungie L

I forgot to say also Envious can still go past 15 with the cataphract so the bug is still there with envious just is inconstistant. I think highest Ive gotten the magazine was 17.

I was wondering why I suddenly had 10 in reserves instead of 9, may need to run double Solar reserves to hold those two extra rockets

Yeah kinda LOL

Next season I think?

Potentially another update in april from what folks are saying.

Envious being the only multi use perk without manual reload is really bad in the energy slot

Ayaya

Meh doesn't change much

@@TheAegisRelic fair enough, does still feel somewhat important as it's the only generic damage buff the weapon has access to

He knows :3

Yep

Good for movement bad for damage

Technically yes, but Wilderflight is so much more free it's hard to compare. Only get 3 shots with envious Wild Style and Collective Action lasts only 7 seconds on a pickup which you probably are out of position to grab. Maybe up to 12s with add'l pickups, still, Wilderflight gets 15% for completely free and ALH makes it go infinite w/ no setup kills required. If you have stuff to autoreload (Rain of Fire etc) then your dps will just be higher spamming rockets without rotating a GL at all, so that doesn't even help Wild Style.

@@EdenPorterMusic yeah good points ✌🏻 But i also think wild ride is easier to farm since GMs are easy and you get 1 every run and iv got 1 wilderflight from 30 spire runs. Rng but still pretty much easier to farm GMs imo.

Was thinking about it more, and to be fair to WS it fits into a Strand rotation decently i think. Say an envious roll in a rotation of Izanagi-Gl-Rocket-Ascent reload, it could look like RRARGI RGI RGI (gl empty now, but grapple recharged) RARGI R, which is about 20 seconds of damage I think. And matching solar does essentially give it a 22% dmg buff for free, which you could sprinkle Collective Action or whatever on for another bit of bonus. But 20 seconds is pretty lackluster, I would assume Wilderflight (or Empty Vessel, oft forgotten but its surge match makes up the difference between its frame and Wilderflight’s) will bring up the dps after that 20 seconds easily to surpass Wild Style.

If you're ever in a scenario where you can pre stack Envious without switching from something like Forb sure, but it's just such a disappointment compared to what it could've been

Yeah it's usable with Envious if you get 3 in the mag early on in a short rotation but it's still such a disappointment

@@TheAegisRelic Facts. I think Bungie knew how best in slot it would be and eased up on it

Hi rushgarroth

@@masterzecke1263 Hi masterzecke1263

Yeah they're % based

Yep! Only 3 + 1 for RR

Yeah but it has no reload perk besides pre-procing Envious, but you can't run Forb to prime it then so it's annoying

Description drive folder

get Tusk with Deconstruct, borderline infinite ammo

@@life-destiny1196 I will try and get one for sure. As a strand titan main (God I'm not looking forward to the nerf in final shape) a strand wave frame in general is going to be sick no matter the roll.

It's worse than Multi, we've talked about it on this channel before

On god

Not sure, try it out :P

I'm pretty sure it doesn't, I tried it with the seasonal pulse earlier in the season and couldn't get it to work

@@hugepog1726 bummer

Sheeshers

It should be whatever crouch is

Doesn't work with hold crouch for some reason

hoping it’s drastic for skating since you use a heavy swing

​@@ListenToAJyou use a heavy swing with regular eager too though lol

It's heavy attack should go slightly further than one from an adaptive frame sword if I remember correctly, meaning wellskates should go slightly further

Vortex frames suck for damage lol

@@TheAegisRelic vortex isn’t even worth exploring damage rotations with b&s, though? Just dismissing it altogether is crazy.

Yeah they're really bad, check the Surrounded values in the single tab on the sheet, that's a better perk than BnS and it still sucks

BnS for sure

Worse than this one :P

We've talked about it before on this channel and I think Multi is better

It's even better then! Hahaha

We've talked about it before on this channel, I think it's worse

@@TheAegisRelic that was forever ago. I barely remember what I had for breakfast today 😅

😮

O ___ O

DOOM.

We've already talked about it before on this channel, and I think Multi is just better

@@TheAegisRelicis it cus of the origin trait?

@@yyeoreumoverflow is trash and tremors isn’t optimal

Not yet!

Finally pleaseeee

Still going to be good unless it's completely gutted

Not really sadly

Well it has a lot more ammo

Bring back anarchy meta :((

Oh nvm that was only on hgl i think

Huh? You can get triple with reproc

@@TheAegisRelic oh yeah i forgot you could do that lol