Energy vs Momentum Pt.1| Do heavier pellets with the same ft-lbs. of energy penetrate better?

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This the first video in a series exploring how penetration is effected by momentum and energy.
Pt.2 | • Energy vs Momentum Pt....

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@terminadorairgunsandoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Good test. Keep em comin

@hademuaxion2568 2 жыл бұрын

Jsb pellets are pure lead with no antimony unlike most other modern pellets and are notorious for not penetrating as well. Good idea for a test but get pellets with the same density so it's fair and you have real results. My guns with equal weight pellets, the antimony pellets blast right through steel cans much easier while the pure lead is too soft to penetrate well. The one thing I didn't see you mention that I noticed is the difference in how it shocked the cans and how far they went. The main effect of momentum is a bowling type effect so that would be a good thing to measure, how far it knocks it back.

@danv9113 2 жыл бұрын

In regards to impacts on steel targets, mild or AR plate: over decades of shooting I can tell you velocity damages them more. An example: At 100 yards even on a hard AR500 plate a 338 Lapua with over 5000 ft/lbs energy (~2700 fps) doesn't even put a pit on the surface, where a 223 over 3000 fps or a 22-250 near 4000 fps (~1200 ft/lbs) does. Mild steel can be shot with thousands of handgun rounds but one shot from a 30/30 will blow right through. Great video, I've been jumping into these pcp guns and having a blast also.

@GluteusMax777 2 жыл бұрын

From my experience my . 177 has dropped more squirrels/rabbits dead in their tracks than any of my .22 cal pellet guns 30 to 40yrds.

@user-rn3vz8we9k 5 ай бұрын

I kinda believe that 177 is more deadly than 22 when placed right and the right pellet like a hn hornet at 955fps at a coon maybe 15 yrs away

@bobybaba5267 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for showing the velocity and grain and perfect target for penetration test 🍻

@bladerunner752 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy your tests, I am subscribed and can't wait to see more. Very good job, great shooting. Cheers from Arizona 👍😎

@safakaswedishairgunforum-n1490 Жыл бұрын

great and interesting angle on the subject of fpe and pellets 👍🔫🇸🇪

@gladegoodrich2297 Жыл бұрын

Bought some 21 grain heavy pellets that shoot all over the place. Best I have found are Gamo Rockets with the steel BB. Best accuracy and penetration.

@peterbaugh51 5 ай бұрын

Energy equals mass at the speed of light squared. Higher velocity increases mass and energy. You saw it. Einstein was correct. I always choose higher velocity ammo over slower heaver ammo. But hey, I'm only an expert marksman... Choose what works best for your guns.

@sniperNervousfinger45 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect my friend..😃👍

@thesylvanshadow4223 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming back

@stedyone1090 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice 👌 👍

@catherineharris4746 2 жыл бұрын

Nice!👍👍👍

@MrAvant123 9 ай бұрын

I see a big disadvantage in heavy pellets here. Much less muzzle velocity = less flat shooting...

@lionheart9692 Жыл бұрын

Nice video pal, interesting,I've just got myself a new air riffle, it's a 22 walther terrus, just trying to fine tune it for best action, you still making videos? I'd like to know how to clean the gun and barrel and what products are best to use 👍

@cornfields-crosshairs4182 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work bud.👍 Your efforts are much appreciated. This series is will be interesting to watch and follow. You have good taste in affordable PCPs...Love my AT44s. Eagle Claw looks & seems badass also.👌 I am new to your channel and appreciate the genuine approach to finding answers that come up in our journey with these amazing airguns. I am now subscribed and rang that bell.👍Looks like you and I have the same surroundings...Woods and agriculture. Best place for airguns IMO..🙌 Love to see the Cummins hat too buddy...I have a 2012 4th Gen. quad cab with 8' bed. Deleted. Hasn't let me down yet!! Can't beat that in-line motor reliability!! 💪🤓

@thesylvanshadow4223 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, My AT44 Long has definitely been a great airgun over the four or five years I have hunted with it( mostly squirrel, rabbit and occasional raccoon.) Thanks for noticing the hat, I have a 98.5 24 valve quad cab 8 foot bed 4 inch straight pipe with QuadZila tuner and fass lift pump. 230,000 miles still looks and starts like new. Probably the best truck I will ever get to own.

@cornfields-crosshairs4182 2 жыл бұрын

@@thesylvanshadow4223 Yeeeeeah buddy...👊😎 Those metal Hatsan mags with the locating pin and the ability to rotate the mag while in the breech (I noticed you do that before shooting like a natural..👌) is just as awesome as you can get...🙌

@cornfields-crosshairs4182 2 жыл бұрын

@@thesylvanshadow4223 6.7 liter 24 valve for the win!! Braaaaaaaap!!

@ryanrompte7616 8 ай бұрын

We are looking for knock down power testing. A good test would be hitting a golf ball or something and seeing which pellet sends it further

@soopersooper3291 2 жыл бұрын

I think the performance against barriers involves a lot of complex dynamics, projectile shape matters.

@xwing8029 2 жыл бұрын

If you did the test at longer range, the heavier pellet should bennefit more, because it should have better energy retention.

@LordGovernor420 5 ай бұрын

The .177 is a monster

@fisheyeguy 7 ай бұрын

Just look at the damage whole between the two. That larger pellet dumped a lot more energy.

@ryanbudney3356 Жыл бұрын

For penetration the relevant data you want is the energy divided by the cross-sectional diameter. The larger the number the better it will penetrate. So the two main items that control these factors is the velocity your projectile leaves the gun, and how long your projectile is. Longer, faster projectiles penetrate better than shorter, slower ones.

@Beesa10 11 ай бұрын

These pellets have the same diameter, the pellet with greater energy was the heavier pellet yet it didn't penetrate better. Interesting to think about what's going on

@peterbaugh51 5 ай бұрын

Higher velocity increases mass. That is what is going on. Physics. Study it. I choose the higher velocity. More power. Period.

@ryanbudney3356 5 ай бұрын

@@peterbaugh51 You are shooting close to the speed of light?

@NYLSONQUASEACERTA 2 жыл бұрын

muito bom este teste

@thesylvanshadow4223 2 жыл бұрын

Obrigada(Thank You)

@mace8873 7 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to know the difference between the alloys used to make the pellets - as they're from two different manufacturers, chances are that they didn't use the same percentages of lead/antimony, so one pellet is possibly harder than the other.

@heithwatkins 2 жыл бұрын

I believe your test is flawed. JSB pellets are very soft lead. So they will deform quickly upon contact. Thus limiting penetration. You will have to test with the same type of lead and same pellet head. For instance, you can't test hollow points against domed. Crossman and H&N are harder lead. But since you already have JSB monsters. You should try JSB 15gr domed against them. Also consider testing at different distance. The monsters have a higher ballistic coefficient and should hold power better downrange. Liked and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing more 👍🎯

@thesylvanshadow4223 2 жыл бұрын

If it satisfies your curiosity the 13.1 hatsans are similar to the JSB monsters in hardness and are almost half the weight and both are dome points which is part of why they were chosen for this test. Also the same brand will use different alloys for different pellets, example; H&N HP slugs are extremely soft. Thanks for all the effort to write that long comment, thanks for watching.

@heithwatkins 2 жыл бұрын

@@thesylvanshadow4223 Actually JSB pellets use the same lead. If you are testing. You need to compare apples to apples. It actually takes me no effort to make a comment.

@aubreylukebird7403 2 жыл бұрын

Try the same on the fx impact either mk2 or3 ... results wud be grt to compare ...fpe of both type of rifles being different ...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻pls do make a vid with that on mind

@airshooter123 Жыл бұрын

totally agree.... speed matters in penetration

@ezrabrook3993 2 жыл бұрын

Max power full power to start all test, but make sure the accuracy is spot on! Just a suggestion

@kostasbalbagadis1507 2 жыл бұрын

With a pellets 18,13?

@Blueboy9055 Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@jodyholcomb1990 2 жыл бұрын

What kind of gun is the wood one nice gun how much. An name id like 2 get 1

@thesylvanshadow4223 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the Seneca EagleClaw in 22 caliber. Review coming soon so stay tuned. Thanks for commenting.

@jodyholcomb1990 2 жыл бұрын

@@thesylvanshadow4223 hello what kind of gun is your wood 1

@qualityfun8304 2 жыл бұрын

Why did you shoot them so slow? That seneca is cable of much more.

@thesylvanshadow4223 2 жыл бұрын

I needed the light and heavy pellets to have the same ft-lb of energy. This combo of pellets and power level was the closest I could get.

@alanpruett2217 Жыл бұрын

Then is a .177 pellet rifle superior to a .22 or .25?

@sheepslayer803 Жыл бұрын

I have a .177 nitro piston claiming 1200 fps, barely makes a dent in my shitbox Just bought a .25 Air Venturi, one pellet almost penetrates, the second pellet in the same hole easily shatters the window inside

@ezrabrook3993 2 жыл бұрын

Quick energy dump

@PeakyBlinder 2 жыл бұрын

Weight = stopping power not penetrating power, That's how I see it,

@drywallman1986 Жыл бұрын

It was going too slow. If speeds were even it would be a different story.

@fathertimencUSA 2 жыл бұрын

Same as regular guns and armor. Speed defeats armor.

@williebeats4921 Жыл бұрын

That's a whopping 20 fpe from the muzzle

@PeakyBlinder 2 жыл бұрын

Get yourself an FX chrony Much easier to use.

@kevinbietry7527 Жыл бұрын

Ballistics so happens to be a very confusing science.

@Mr.Kumar1 Жыл бұрын

Good work still mate, just improve your commentary lol

@royalsalmon800 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, have a sandwich. Even your belt wants to fall down around your ankles.

@cornfields-crosshairs4182 2 жыл бұрын

Have you ever met someone with an extremely high metabolism? You obviously have no clue about the physical variances within living organisms.🤦🏻‍♂️ SMFH

@judith_herault 2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about that. You will gain enough unnecessary weight when turning over 30.

@slugmuffin6935 Жыл бұрын

@@judith_herault so true i stayed at 170 lbs all my 20's but hit my 30's and have not been able to drop under 180 my heaviest was 205 lbs.

@ryanlemons7831 Жыл бұрын

Im not a betting man and I don’t know the fella but if I had to guess, my guess would be - that thin young man eats a LOT of food. He will thicken out if that’s how his body is supposed to be. I’ve known some guys like this fella who although very very thin where strong as hell.

@motorgearhead 7 ай бұрын

I did something similar using .308 and .223. I took two rounds with similar fpe but different velocities and looked at their TKO ratings. The .308 (reduced load) had a TKO of “10”. The .223 round (slightly reduced load) had a TKO of 5. TKO is basically a momentum score. Is shot both at a medium size game analog simulating bone & soft tissue. The results are interesting. I’m not sure the results match your test but take a look. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLN7rLmcvZfMcZ8.htmlsi=y78ZMOJdqwlnfQ-x