.....M50. * Uses pic of M54*

N54 was the German 2jz , 700whp was achievable on stock internals

B58 is the modern 2JZ.

More accurate would be german 1jz, both are 2.5 litre I6

This edit is gold😂

I think you forgot to mention the BMW M5 E34 with a 1000 hp 💀💀💀

Proudly owner of 5x e34- three M50b25s, one b20 and diesel 525tds 😊 daily gonna get superchargered soon

The M50 and M60 Both those are free insane and I've tested both to extreme limits and they just keep on going

I had that in my 92 525i 5-speed manual. That car was incredible. I beat the living snot out of it. And you're right about the cooling system the only thing that ever left me stranded on it at only one time

M54b30 with a m50 intake manifold swap 🤌 you get your 3.0L and you get that *perfect* flow, toss bigger injectors and a good cam into the mix and your having fun N/A .. go boosted and add rods and pistons along with a standalone and ouuu buddeh!

Ever heard of the 4.0 turbo online 6 from Australia? The mighty Barra!

It's funny how mecedes fanboys everywhere push the M104 which is simply inferior to the M50 or M54

ai voice over talking about car stuff is lowkey S tier

NO NO NO, M104 and OM606 is the true German 2JZ engines 😎👌

Are we forgetting the b58 now?

It just isn't. It's a different option, and works for someone who can't afford or don't want a 2JZ, but it doesn't replace it nor is it better. I know this because I personally DD a car with an all forged 3.0 stroker turbo M50, which I did instead of a 2JZ swap because it was easier and cheaper to build my new forged M50 than buy a than a used 2JZ and rebuild it then fabricate the manifolds, mounts, and adapter plate to put it in my E34. Stock for stock, M50s are definitely weaker than a GTE and can't rev as high safely without oil pump shaft and chain tensioner. While an M50 is lighter, and you can build a new forged stroker M50 for the price of a used 2JZ, there are things in the 2JZ's favor. Believe it or nor, 2JZ aftermarket is cheaper in some cases. A set of Schrick 264/256 cams for an M50 are $1,400, a set of BC 264 cams for a 2JZ: $885. Used S52 cams cost as much as a set of new BC cams for a 2JZ, other cams like M54B30 and M50NV are cheaper but are only a mild upgrade. If you want to build a 3.0 or 3.2 M50 stroker to match 2JZ displacement and plan on revving high, plan on it being pretty damn expensive. 89.6mm M54/S52 cranks are pretty cheap and easy enough to find, but as the S52 and M54 guys found out a decade or more, it tends to have more torsional vibration issues than the 2.8 and 2.5 cranks. You're going to need to add the relatively cheap; an upgraded oil pump and oil pump chain tensioner, and the expensive; an ATI damper ($950 if you want to keep your AC pulley), and an upgraded valvetrain. Unlike a 2JZ which will do 7,500 fine with only springs an M50 needs retainers, keepers, springs, and should get lighter M54 lifters to rev that high reliably and take advantage of those cams. Certain stock keeper/retainer combos can't be trusted at sustained high revs. In addition, either way you're troubled by transmission choices. ZF310/320s are cheaper than supra 6 speeds, but they have a positively stupid 1:1 5th gear, and an awful gear split. If you have a big ol' turbo on a car with a ZF310, you're going to be disappointed to find that you drop below peak torque with every shift until you get to 4th or 5th. Additionally, M50 VANOS is a crude, on-off system unlike VVTI. And yes, you DO want VVT, especially on a laggy setup. It helps A LOT with the mid range. Additionally, M50 turbo manifolds leave something to be desired. Almost all options are not equal length which does hurt power a little and sounds kind of odd, and the leaned over M50 is harder to fit a big turbo (like my BW S366) next to than a vertical 2JZ. Also, if you want to add an oil cooler (you need one if you're tracking or drifting) it is a pain in the ass with an M50, requiring either the inconvenient and expensive oil filter housing cap adapter or an aftermarket filter housing, both of which add a nice few hundred dollars to what is cheaper to do to a 2JZ. Other more minor issues are that M50 valve covers are a pain in the ass to get to seal right and are magnesium so good luck getting one powder coated well, M50 ignition coils are more limited in capability and harder to upgrade, and OEM and aftermarket 2JZ intake manifolds are often superior and more compact vs M50 intake manifolds.

Dont you reveal our secrets man!

Thankyou for the content! Great video

If you want the diesel 2jz then theres the mercedes om606 and bmw m57. Both these engines rev as high as gasoline ones and theyre extremely reliable.

Yes, got to replace those plastic parts; make sure head bolts do not loosen up as first repair! Just retorque and good to go! Also front fans have shrouds which blocks airflow when fan stops! Catalysts can get clogged and blow thru head gasket; soak overnight in solved and rinse! Coil packs go bad easily! Good luck, OMG!

Maf sensor can be rebuilt, there's a company in Germany that does them. Saves a lot of headache.

where do i start Engines that are as good or better than 2jz Barra Intech 4.0 All Performance versions of LS v8s RB26 and 25 1jz Multiple BMW 6 cylinders id also argue a k20 head on a k24 block with a big turbo is pretty close to I be there's more aswell if anyone else wants to state them

The m104 is the actual German 2jz because toyota copied it to make the 2jz. Not this peace

M54 bmw and M104 Mercedes haven't love, but are very good engines.

I expected the B58...

I like how people just don't give any attention to the Volvo B6294T which is literally capable of 700whp bone stock, as well as having dual VVT and costing about as much as a couple drinks at the bar. Pretty easy to work on as well and the under-square layout (83x90 bore/stroke) and VVT gives it a nice and beefy low-end. If you want a bit more reliability, throw in Chinesium rods, shim the cylinders and chamfer the rod journals on the crank.

The m50 is heavy but it is a beast with boost

Only problem is that m50 is smaller than 2jz, not comparing capacity but block size itself. Propably closest engine to 2jz would be bmw s30b36 or at least m30b30 from e34/e32 and mercedes m104

Turkish people discovered this and it is estimated that M50 turbo has been used since 2000.

Dont forget the s54

Ok cool, but I live in Australia, and own a turbo barra. We are putting 87 psi in to them and getting 3500 hp.

the only german inline 6 that can actually be called a "german 2jz" is the M104

M50/52 coilpacks are extremely reliable . Far more reliable than modern cars coilpacks

What do you think about 1.8 20v turbo? For example... AGU?

2JZ can spin very high for a Inline 6 because it got big diameter journals on the crankshaft. I am a BMW fan and it hurts me to say this.

Can get that water at almost any spare shop under the sun

600hp on stock internals? Where was that in the video?😅

Very nice video, funny at the same time.😂 The M5X BMW engines sound fantastic, they have a distinctive sound and can take a lot of abuse. The 2JZ receives way to much attention, people have gone crazy with it, same as for the BMW E39 M5. Too many blokes are exaggerating, like it is some sort of secret weapon released yesterday.

You gotta gatekeep 😮we need the m50 for low

M54 3.0L with European Intake Manifold > M50 2.5L

dude cmon we could have gatekept it from all the 2j kids it could have been great

The 1Z, AHU, PD130 and PD150 are the balkan 2JZ

I'm a car fan and I've never dreamed of the 2JZ! Diesel engines is where it's at, these gasoline engines are laughable in comparison.

JAPAN ❤all the way,if you want a nice life with no headaches

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German 2jz from m104 mercedes benz

"The engine is better because it is cheaper", ok, great start guys ! The 2Jz strongpoint is it is strong. Thats basically a tractor engine. It is bulky, heavy, and it can take a beating. Thats about it. And by "beating", i mean getting over 2000hp out of it. Not in stock form of course, but it will easily take 600-700hp just adding more boost. and most importantly, the transmission will take it too.

You forgot the M104!

😂😂😂 The comment goes crazy when a 2jz is mentioned as the best inline 6 ever

Japanese Technology at its best ❤

What about the om606 beside the fact that is a diesel

M54👑

I was convinced he was going b58

Nowadays it is cheaper to buy a b58 instead of a 2jz.

Honestly hard to beat the 2jz😮‍💨My ride has a h23a vtec engine, it’s fun and all but def can’t take as much Power as the 2Jz well atleast reliably

M52Tu is a much better engine overall with a metal impeller water pump fitted and can use the m54B30 rotating assembly and also has a better ms42 ecu setup and better mafs.

M104 is the only true German 2JZ

Great Video !

M50nv is the goat

I had written a long ass post explaining the pros and cons of both motors but i decided to delete all that shit cause its mostly going to be clueless idiots that play Forza and watch Supra videos commenting on this anyway so why bother

I DONT OWN A CAR BUT I BELIEVE YOU

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The 2JZ is overrated as fuck anyway. It's a mediocre, heavy block that can be made to good power levels if you throw lots of money at it. It's only really popular because of the fast and furious.

Barra is better than all of them.

lol i had two m50 right now with and without vanos xD

M50 is one of my favorite engines, however everything exept the block and head is trash pretty much, i also don't like that BMW makes their engines slanted giving you much less space around the exhaust manifold, other than that in my opinion one of the best sounding 6 cylinders when turbocharged

isn't the TD-05 small for a 2.5-3.0L engine ?

Great engines but tbh it’s cheaper to turbo a 2jz-ge than build a reliable high power m50. If you aren’t planning above 300hp on pump gas m50 is ok. But jz will be cheaper in long run if you want big power.

Wait. You're saying you can get this N/A motor. Slap a turbo on it, not upgrade the rods or pistons, and still get 400hp? Thats sick.

M50, shows m54 Only 2.5 liters, then explain the m52b28 and m54b30

Bro about the make Supra kids cry

you can get worse engine for lower price!? whaaat!? I couldn't figure that out by myself....😅

I love this channel so much😂

That's M54

N54 🎉😊

Them shits will blew up too im on my 3rd one 😭😭😭😭

Wit Power ! 🙋🏻‍♂️

We build M52B30 stroker,

om606 is diesel 2jz

Wouldn't it be more of a "German 1JZ" cause both have no turbo and are straight 6s

What web do you buy engines?

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S38b38 its german 2jz,m30b35 is 1jz

Man i got a fuckin' m52b25 with double vanos and to soft boost it you are obligated to have forged bottom of the engine so i just preffer to just swap it to b28 and have factory 200hp then tune it into good spec

The german 2jz is the om606 from mercedes benz.

The Australian Barra is better t

The real german 2jz is the BMW N54 nice try with the M54 the blocks on the M54 pull the bolt inserts when overheated, great motor naturally aspirated but that all I can say about the M54

lol the car guy is funny

A lot of engines are better than 2jz

Bmw engines need meticulous care. Difficult to repair and oil eaters. Quite fun in pro hands though

I see the BMW guys are getting their daily recommended amount of copium lol

N52

N54 owners crying in limp mode

The Australian 2jz is better 😉

This is great

M50b25

M54b30 is more like the 2jz

Only i6 better than a 2jz in the tuner world in my opinion is a ford barra

Why m50 and not m54?

why you describing engine accessories that have nothing to do with the engine it self, you do realize other models of bmws have the same accessories mounted to different engines lol