Entangled by the Pollutions of the World and Lose Your Salvation

Entangled by the Pollutions of the World and Lose Your Salvation - 2 Peter

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Bible scholars who reject "Once Saved, Always Saved" cite 2 Peter 2:20-22 as a passage that teaches that Christian believers who are entangled by the pollutions of this word lose their salvation. Does this passage refer to believers who have eternal life? Does a believer who after escaping the pollutions of the world and returns to be entangled by such pollutions, lose their salvation. What is meant by that their "end is worse for them than the beginning"? What is meant by a dog returning to "his own vomit" and a sow "wallowing in her mire"?
Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society looks at 2 Peter 2:20-22 and explains how this passage is not about the loss of everlasting and the warning it provides to believers.
"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” - 2 Peter 2:20-22 (NKJV)
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@K4DL-AL Ай бұрын

I too was once deceived by the false teachings but once I came to understand what was written to whom and when , I saw the Light.

@HChartierKJV Ай бұрын

A Saved Believer can never lose his Salvation, and a Believer can never become Reprobate or Demon Possessed. God Bless.

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

Note Peter says "and are OVERCOME, the latter end is worse for them" Clearly Peter is saying IF you go back to a life of [Iniquity] continuous unrepentant sin with no desire to obey and serve the Lord. Future sins are not already forgiven: Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. The only way sins are forgiven is through repentance. 1 John 1:9 IF we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. God values His trustworthiness and IF you decide I'm going to go my own way to a life of sin you no longer trust in Him. He's faithful to the worth of His name.The way God vindicates His trustworthiness to those who reject it, its called hell. Don't fool yourself with your unbelief by thinking God's still faithful to me. He is faithful He cannot deny Himself,that's who He is faithful to. Hebrews 10:28-29 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

@personaje27 Ай бұрын

How do you know you are saved?

@Ydarg09 Ай бұрын

@@2Chronicles714_You're lying , again . Peter nowhere stated in that passage that one's Endless Everlasting Life is "forfeited" . You made that up . That's lying . Not a Good thing...

@timgrady4630 Ай бұрын

Reprobate ? What are you denoting , Exegetically ? What is it - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

@@Ydarg09 So what does Peter mean when he says IF you go back to your old sinful life with no intention to repent then you will be worse off then before you came to Christ in repentance through faith.

@botsterfilion7718 Ай бұрын

Schimmel did a great job with they soul their souls to rock and roll, but he face planted on this one.

@ok-qt4kr Ай бұрын

Ken , you're nailin it bro . This passage is easily a Top 5 out of the Toolbox of Works Salvation/Lordshippers . Love your breakdown ...Grace is truly beautiful!

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

To say Peter preached works is ridiculous.

@ok-qt4kr Ай бұрын

@@2Chronicles714_ What's truly "ridiculous" is your 4 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS to earn/merit/be rewarded with/be paid with/DESERVE THE UNMERITED AND NEVER DESERVING GIFT OF ENDLESS EVERLASTING LIFE ... That a person can subscribe to THAT level of demonstrable incoherence and utter absurdity remains forever elusive to anyone truly invested in the pursuit of Objective Truth .

@Ydarg09 Ай бұрын

Amen .

@soljos1190 Ай бұрын

Beautiful Truth , Ken . The "way of righteousness" is a sanctification context . Not synonymous with a once in a moment with Endless consequence event (Being born again with irreversible Life , thus eternally Justified before God) . Further , Peter nowhere states in the passage that these dupes have "lost their Everlasting Life" and are therefore "Eternally condemned". These very credentialed "Scholars" must Necessarily produce that evidence - In the Text itself - to sustain their Temporary/Conditional/Probationary "life" works righteousness affirmation . Clearly , they've Not done so .

@lovealways2609 Ай бұрын

excellent distinction

@myronwilliams2777 Ай бұрын

Makes me angry watching this, the Bible does not contradict itself, so how can they think that Peter does not contradict what Jesus told us over and over, believe in Me and you shall have eternal life.

@toonrex2806 28 күн бұрын

Can you do a video responding to Thomas Albin Holmes.

@craigs4530 Ай бұрын

Amen Brother, well said. The more we know the more is required of us. Ì don't get these idiots and their logic. The bible does not contradict itself. Jesus said I will never thirst, never hunger, never die, never be cast out, never perish, never be plucked out of Jesus's hand and the Father's hand, never come into judgment. Eternal security is the gospel. And don't forget he will never leave us nor forsake us. John 3:16,18, 5:24, 6:35-40, 10-27-29, 11:25-26, Hebrew. 13:5b ✝️🩸🎁

@timgrady4630 Ай бұрын

Thanks for this clear message , Ken . God's Word doesn't have contradictions in it . You've rescued this very often misunderstood passage from just such handling . These Preeminent ""Scholars" of Arminianism (one can Lose Eternal Life) - upon close inspection - nowhere provide the requisite Data to sustain their Perseverance until death in some sort of "good enough" level of Fruitfulness (works) = being rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom . Arminianism can NEVER show us in this Text (Peter) , or anywhere else in Scripture , what it "takes" (behaviorally/works) to make it into His Kingdom . "Conditional Security" is therefore a Textbook Oxymoron that can Only leave a Question Mark while Never answering the Question . Thus , both Calvinism AND Arminianism are joined at the Hip in their "gospel of Doubt" . Both look to their utterly fallible and futile Perseverance in Performance (works) as a sort of "infallible metric" for Kingdom entrance . Both Systems ultimately Cannot rest in His doubtless Guarantee (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) . Both - even with the "Best of Intentions" - Top Out at unbelief in Him for what He actually Certifies .

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

This false teaching of once saved always saved comes out of Calvinism. To teach a true believer that regardless of how they live their love has no bearing on eternal security is contradicted by nearly every book in the new testament.

@Ydarg09 Ай бұрын

@@2Chronicles714_ Calvinism is works righteousness , just like your message . You've continued to state this verifiable False notion , repeatedly . Calvinism and Arminianism are exactly in agreement on Perseverance till death in an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) as NECESSARY to enter His Kingdom . You agree with Both , very obviously , as your entire scheme is identical in substance . Pride and Pharisaical arrogance characterize all who look to their Perseverance in Performance (works) as the Decisive factor in one's Everlasting destination . Hypocrisy always underscores such as those duplicating their rejection of His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .

@DannyLoyd Ай бұрын

2 Peter 2:13 " They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their dissipation, carousing with you. They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed, ACCURSED CHILDREN! FORSAKING THE RIGHT WAY THEY HAVE GONE ASTRAY; THEY FOLLOWED THE WAY OF BALAAM.........they entice with licentious passions of the flesh of men....they promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; FOR WHATEVER OVERCOMES A MAN, TO THAT HE IS ENSLAVED. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world .....they are AGAIN ENTANGLED IN THEM AND OVERPOWERED , the last state is worse than the first...." Yet GES says that you can HAVE EYES FULL OF ADULTERY, INSATIABLE FOR SIN, you can forsake the right way and follow the way of Balaam and you can entice with licentious passions and be enslaved with it, AND HEAVEN WILL STILL BE YOUR HOME. And GES says that you can "DEPART FROM THE FAITH AND GIVE HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS", 1 Timothy 4:1 and you will still be saved. And you can even have an " EVIL AND UNBELIEVING HEART THAT LEADS YOU TO FALL AWAY FROM THE LIVING GOD", Heb 3:12, and you will still be saved. But if you walk in the light, walk after the Spirit or try and obey his commands, then you are a WORKS SALVATIONIST/LORDSHIPPERS and you are lost.......

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

Simply unbelievable. The term born again means a spiritual rebirth in Jesus.

@DannyLoyd Ай бұрын

@@2Chronicles714_ And what does it mean " FORSAKING THE RIGHT WAY THEY HAVE GONE ASTRAY", what does it mean to " DEPART FROM THE FAITH"? and what does it mean to have an " EVIL AND UNBELIVING HEART THAT LEADS YOU TO FALL AWAY?" GES believes that a spiritual rebirth means that then you can walk in darkness, live after the flesh, depart from the faith and have an unbelieving evil heart and you will still be saved. But for those of us who try and walk in the light, walk after the Spirit or obey his commands ( not the ten commandments), then we are trying to earn our salvation, we are WORKS SALVATIONIST/LORDSHIPPERS and you are lost. This is the SPIRITUAL REBIRTH THAT GES believes in.....

@ok-qt4kr Ай бұрын

@@2Chronicles714_ ...Which you NEVER POSSESS without first Persevering till death in your 4 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS TO MERIT/EARN/BE PAID WITH/BE REWARDED WITH the Free, Unmerited , Unearned , and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life . Wow...

@ok-qt4kr Ай бұрын

You sin a whole bunch , don't you ? So do I , and every other mere human ever , according to Scripture . Bible clearly states that one transgression disqualifies one from Kingdom entrance . So , Kingdom entrance is predicated on a PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS that must "exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees" who look to their Perseverance in Performance (works) as a metric for Kingdom entrance . Wrong criteria (Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9) . It's a really GOOD thing Jesus took our place as the Perfect Propitiation for all the sins ever committed , or NONE of us would ever make it into His Kingdom . You deny His PERFECT work of Redemption when you posit behavioral performance (works) as the Decisive factor in one's Everlasting destination . Contradictory to Every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life Eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible . Working for and earning/meriting/being paid for/being rewarded with/DESERVING the Free , Unmerited , Unearned , Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life cannot make sense to a little child , or anyone else who is truly invested in the pursuit of Objective Truth . Yet , your entire affirmation reduces to just such demonstrable absurdity . Looks like you think your behavior (works) is BETTER than Free Gracers, and others , with ZERO way of actually knowing that . "Noone is good but God alone" , Jesus plainly stated . And you ain't God , dude . So , you're stuck in an insuperable dilemma . You can delude yourself with thinking your "Stuff don't stink THAT bad!!!" , and when you hit the Finish Line , see what Grade is on your behavioral Report Card . Or , you can rest in His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life simply by childlike faith in Him FOR it: John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47, 10,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 . Totally apart from taking Credit/Meriting/Working for/Deserving the Free and utterly Gracious Gift : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Your message Utterly Ooozes with Self Righteous arrogance borne of self idolatry that takes away the Glory due to the One who Finished all the work of Redemption that His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Life can indeed be without Cost to all who "thirst for the Water of Life"(John 4:10-14) .

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

@@DannyLoyd The Apostle Jude warned against about using grace as a license to sin. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

@rna109 Ай бұрын

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Romans 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

@GraceLibrary1 Ай бұрын

People who don’t have the Holy Spirit cannot interpret scripture because it is spiritually discerned. That’s why in the comments of every video you see people who “get it” and people who simply don’t, and they’ll pull out a million scriptures out of context because to them every piece of scripture is pertaining to salvation EXCEPT the ones that clearly mention eternal life (like John 3:16). They disregard the clear verses that don’t need much context for those that need a lot of context. Because they simply cannot understand. I almost don’t see the point in replying to any of them anymore, I don’t think anyone has ever gotten through to one on this platform at least. They are unbelievers who are trapped in a religion whether that be Catholicism or what have you. I think it’s nearly impossible to pull someone out of that religion without personally knowing them and being their friend.

@kathyweckerle6880 Ай бұрын

There are some who consistently comment on here who are “trolls”. Their purpose is to cause confusion, not to logically debate or learn anything. If you put a scripture reference, they will have a canned answer and many times it’s pieced together followed by nonsense. I have even seen them alter verses and put in their own words using a Bible reference. That is most abhorrent. There is only one interpretation of scripture. A nonbeliever can read and understand scripture, and then be persuaded, convinced of the truth of the promise (1 John 2:25, Gal 3:22, John 6:47, John 3:16). God draws all men to Him and is a rewarder to them who diligently seek Him (Heb 11:6) The “trolls” are with the enemy, not genuine. It’s like this all over KZfaq, but especially GES which promotes Jesus’ clear simple saving message. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. - John 5:24 NASB

@myronwilliams2777 Ай бұрын

All these men are basically calling our Lord and Savior a liar, duscusting

@aliensojourner Ай бұрын

The only place where the cherished phrase "...by faith alone" occurs is in James 2:24 where it is preceded by the Word "not". God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God...Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your Name?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

@user-gm8le4po4p Ай бұрын

Peter’s got alot of balls,denied Christ three times,got chewed out by Paul going back to the law,he should have just sat down and shut up,sticking another shoe in his mouth.

@Ydarg09 Ай бұрын

What's that got to do with the above video . Kinda crass , dude .

@shanesettle2115 Ай бұрын

2 Peter is for Israel under the law not to us who are the church the body of Christ

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

Jesus had Peter start the church. Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church. It was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved. Acts 2:37-41 37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do? 38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were This was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved. 37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do? 38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. Peter again includes Gentiles. Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, So then,even to Gentiles, God has granted REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO LIFE".

@jamesfrazier5148 Ай бұрын

Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do the things which I say. The osas is satans lie. Why is satan on you 24/7 if you have eternal security? He certainly is not trying to stop you from getting rewards in heaven. WAKE UP

@fredost1504 Ай бұрын

Those preachers disgust me with their lies. Fortunately ive tuned them out. 1 Cor 15:1-4 saves and Eph 1:13-14 seals forever. End of story. The false teachers ignore 1 Cor 3.

@2Chronicles714_ Ай бұрын

1 & 2 Corinthians was written for already repented believers in the church of Corith

@easttexan2933 Ай бұрын

Brother, don't know if you realize it or not, but you just proved OSAS is false. If a person has never heard the truth, then they are lost. If a believer knows the truth and returns to sinful life, Peter says it would be better for that person to have never know the truth than to turn away from it. Well, what's worse than eternal punishment for the unbeliever? The believer who rejects the truth once learned? If 2Ptr2:20-22 were the only scripture that speaks to us this way, then maybe we could think it doesn't mean what it says. But there are so many warning scriptures starting with Yashua's own teaching in John 15. Romans and Hebrews are filled with warnings to the believer. Maybe it's you that doesn't understand. All these warning scriptures are there for a reason or they wouldn't be there to begin with. Why can't scripture mean what it says? Paul writes: Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Paul said we would be able to read and understand. I think all the warnings in the NT are there for a purpose. Understanding they are to keep us living holy lives, righteous lives, to the glory of the Father. To keep us from "falling away".

@timgrady4630 Ай бұрын

You think your behavioral performance (works) are the Decisive factor in your Everlasting destination ? That it'll "prove" you were "good enough" ? That you'll DESERVE to enter His Kingdom ?... ...based on WHAT level(%) of "righteousness" ? Makes no sense . Grace is Unmerited , Undeserved and God is not somehow indebted to us on the basis of our paltry , frail , fallible Filthy Rags attempts . It's impossible to Objectively verify all such behavioral performance considerations . That's why He died as our PERFECT Substitute , and "took away all the sins of the world", Judicially . That's why Everlasting Life is a Free , Unmerited , Unearned , Never Deserving Gift . Otherwise , not ONE mere human would ever enter His Kingdom .

@jamesfrazier5148 Ай бұрын

They are wishful thinking when it's not a birthday party. They Twist eternal life into eternal security somehow. Not one verse says eternal security Sheep and goats both will have eternal life it's just where they spend it The tares look like the wheat but they will be thrown in the fire Counterfeit Christians leading people astray

@jamesfrazier5148 Ай бұрын

They just don't understand that an unsaved person can go to heaven because they never was enlightened but once you have been enlightened with the word it says do not be ignorant in the word and you are going to be held at a higher accountability than someone that never did know the word. They believe In eternal security until the day they're on their deathbed and they start screaming forgive me forgive me forgive me because of the life that they lived when we will be smiling saying thank you thank you thank you Jesus