Your videos are always the most informative and interesting. I love watching 'em, and I wish you well!

been waiting for this . . great job man :D

Celebrimbor did not make the one ring sauron did and he showed the elfes how to make rings too

I just played Shadow of Mordor again for the 6th time and played celebrimbor story DLC apparently when celebrimbor stole the ring it started to change him making him more darker in his thinking Lady Galadriel even says that the ring could turn them into something far worse than Sauron and so Sauron even cursed him to be trapped in Mordor

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She isn't a entwife, it was confirmed at the livestream

On Carnán (the nature Spirit probably not an Entwive): The last Monolith/official Shadow of War livestream was yesterday. I worked on this video for some days and edited them during the last 2 days. So This information is not included. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJ1peMtozp7aoHU.html But I basically say the same, without knowing. The Director also says: he thinks she is not an Entwife. But as mentioned in the video, Ents are also spirits from afar, created to protect the forests. So basically nature spirits. But I also argue against her being an Ent in the video. Full quote from the Silmarillion (mentioned in the video): "Do then any of the Valar suppose that I did not hear all the Song, even the least sound of the least voice? Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared. For a time: while the Firstborn are in their power, and while the Secondborn are young." Corrections: Her name is Carnán (Carnan) not Carnen (like the river Carnen = red water). That could mean red valley in Sindarin I guess. But in the stream the director explains, that her name (her self too I guess) is related to the Celtic horned god Cernunnos.

Great video! About the ghosts, do you think there might be some connection to Minas Morgul? I know it was known as the City of the Dead and occupied by the Witch King for a while, but I'm not sure if there is any mention of necromancy surrounding it.

Very good pronuntiation of Quenya ar sindarin names :)

She is not an ent wife as stated by the developers, they said she is a forest spirit but her origins are hidden.

Thank you for the spider warning

The developers of the game said that the writing on the ring is a huge spoiler. So they put gibberish in the "CG trailer" and the "In Game Trailers" to hide it.

Maybe I misunderstood it when playing, but Celebrimbor is what keeps Talion from dying by inhabiting his body. In the trailer for Shadow of War we see Talion laying dying calling for Celebrimbor before the ring jumps onto his hand, then he miraculously gets up. From this you can conclude that Talion is kept alive by the power of the ring once Celebrimbor goes missing after forging it. So there's no way he can be without one of either Celebrimbor or the ring. This could be the bargain from her to get the ring - you need him , so give me the ring in exchange. Which would tie into him not having the ring at the Nazgul fight - having to go away to regroup then encountering the Nazgul while still weakened and needing Eltariel aid. Then he goes onto getting his ring back after that, which may involve the Balgrog fight if he really doesn't have it there. So much to guess :S

Sweetest comment about Mordor ever: "Spider warning so you can skip ahead if you don't like spiders" What a kind person :)

Though talion is not a possibility in the normal lore could you make a video about how would he rank in a power scale if he had all of this power in the lore or one about how could he impact the world of lord of the rings with all of this power love Youre content :)

shadow of mordor is a very fun game but the lore(game wise) in the book perspective does suck

At one point the developers referred to the pale woman as the Lady of Spiders. Seeing as Shelob means "female spider" it seems like too much of a coincidence for them not to be one and the same. As far as fitting seamlessly into lore, I think it fits fine into the Jackson-Movie-verse (which has its own history of condensing the timeline). The setting makes it familiar enough to be enjoyable without braking the suspension of disbelief.

There are many Mini stories within the the game's Acts and fighting the balrog is one of these Mini stories

Just wti, it appears the spirt helps talon fight the balrog as thet cant take him on.

ThePhilosophersGames, was the books very similar to the movies at all? Or were they totally different? I don't really know.. THAT is why I asked.

Shelob has magical powers as well. Especially in the school of Illusions. And yes the light of Galadriel was made long ago.

Regarding giant spiders of Shelob's brood (but i'm still angry that in game they are at best pocket sized, they should be larger, at least the size of Mirkwood spiders that caught Dwarves and Bilbo) they are living in Mordor, in the Mountains of Shadow and further in the Black Land, as this quote has it: "Far and wide her lesser broods, bastards of the miserable mates, her own offspring, that she slew, spread from glen to glen, from the Ephel Dúath to the eastern hills, to Dol Guldur and the fastnesses of Mirkwood. But none could rival her, Shelob the Great, last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world." So it can be understood that while she lives alone in her lair (maybe she prefers it that way), her children live also all over Mordor borders and further inland (Mountains of Shadow and 'eastern hills' clearly indicates a large area). Because she slew some of her 'mates' with whom she procreated it does not mean that there are no more of giant spiders scattered all around the Black Land. Both whether we speak of the 'nature spirit' and Ents or spider kind we come upon a deeper lore problem, when the spirits take on physical form and procreate their offspring usually does not have the ability to change form and their power slowly diminishes with each next generation further removed from the progenitor. The only child of a Maia and an Elf, Luthien Tinuviel that we know of had no shapeshifting in truest sense, but her powers allowed for taking skin of certain creatures to assume their form for a while. The elf assassin well here I'm not that good in linguistic stuff, but from lore perspective it's hard to expect this random elf to be able to fight Nazgul even with a special artifact (besides sending assassin by Galadriel is as far from her methods as possible), not to mention she has no chance of killing Nazgul or dealing with Rings of Power in any way (besides the fact that it is even impossible to get the Nine Rings or remaining three of the Seven since Sauron himself has them), her mission from book lore perspective is very poor thought through. Even if she is as powerful as the ancient Noldor or even by some miracle on the power level of Glorfindel, her mission would eventually be doomed since even Glorfindel himself would be in deep trouble: "I think, Elrond, that in this matter it would be well to trust rather to their friendship than to great wisdom. Even if you chose for us an elf-lord, such as Glorfindel, he could not storm the Dark Tower, nor open the road to the Fire by the power that is in him." Besides presence of someone this powerful would certainly attract attention of Sauron himself and that would be unwise. Unless of course her mission has nothing to do with Nazgul but with Talion/Celebrimbor in particular, still it gives a strange vibe as if developpers forced in this character so she could be major-but-previously unknown great power, but the case is power of Elves during War of the Ring is not it's used to be and the number of truly mighty ones from the Elder Days diminishes as time goes by. Though maybe the game itself will show a different picture. As for her artifact, well here I notice some similarity to Frodo's gift, the Phial of Galadriel that contains a fracture of light of Earendil (and in turn of a Silmaril), it's power was able to strengthen the user, bolstering his will, repel dark creatures, even dispel magical barriers formed by enchanted statues Silent Watchers/Two Watchers at Cirith Ungol, possibly it could do more. Still such gifts are used sparingly and it's hard to imagine Galadriel giving up things like that on regular basis, though we'll see in the end how big the actual importance of the character will be. About the source material adaptation I disagree with notion that canon lore restricts freedom or creativity. I think it is possible to make a truly lore friendly game without major alterations and still give room to many new interesting ideas. It's actually strange to think of Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War as adaptation at all, since in many ways it seems more like it disregards some foundations and rules of the universe for sake of 'rule of cool' so to speak :). Besides it's not clearly a book adaptation, it's a strange mish mash of ideas, mostly based on movies (that already made huge alterations especially The Hobbit movies) with some book elements thrown in in very small dose, well first game seems to be most obvious, it is deeply rooted in movie portrayal so naturally it has not the same feel as books have. The most jarring thing is the lack of certain...sophistication in language, Tolkien was a true master with words, he could write casual speech style of Hobbits, high and lofty and more 'epic' style of nobility, or low harsh style of speech of Orcs. In games language seems modernized, but maybe it's the fault of voice acting that fails to deliver the lines in meaningful way, that's my impression naturally.

I forget where but from what I've researched the markings of the ring mean and say, "I will redeem the land of shadow".

I would say that these games are inspired by (rather then based on) the works of Tolkien and thus make room for manipulation of the the lore. They are like two separate universes- one where the games take place and the other which is Tolkiens original vision. And there is nothing wrong with it. But claiming that these games take place in the same timeline as the books although the games take so many liberties with the source material and have quite a lot of lore inconsistencies is downright silly.

maybe you should have watched the lifestream from friday cause they say: its not a ent wife, its a forest spirit. And the orc resurrection has also been confirmed that it was the witch-king using morghul sorcery, dont know abouts talion army of the dead though.

Celebrimbor wasn't wrong fighting the balrog would be suicide but the tree lady also says this when she says that Talon will have to fight the balrog and die and fight and die in fight over and over again Talons advantages that he can fight die and then come back and fight again kind of like how things work in Destiny truthfully against the balrog one-on-one Italian even with celebrimbor don't stand a chance but the fact that he can come back from death means that he can fight him over again as many times as he needs to entreat wears out the Beast enough to finally defeat it

Don’t you love how developers lie to people in the run up to games. They reveal in the game she is Shelob, so why lie when it just makes them look bad and untrustworthy thereafter.

The light of Galadriel was in the bottle given to Sam... Right?!

guys I have been playing shadow of mordor in high graphics on 40-50fps...what do you think my fps will be on shadow of war?Just a discussion if some of us are going to need update!

She might actually be ungoliant not shelob jeez that would be sweet

Once again, nice work. I bet you've answered it in another video, but how did Celebrimbor and Sauron became close? Supposing that Celebrimbor is a distant cousin of Galadriel, would he make a ring to her and at the same time create an evil ring that controls the 9 to Sauron? Was Celebrimbor unaware of the intent of the Sauron?

It's sad that Chris Tolkien refuses the movie rights to the silmarillion. I can understand that he wants to keep his fathers greatest work untouched in any form since it's truly is an amazing world J R.R Tokien has created. But so many people love The Hobbit and LOTR. Many people have read the books but I think even more have seen the movies. To make movies off of the silmarillion woud introduce so many people to the world I think. To simply show how the world we know and love was built on the big screen. To show Morgoth and all of his follwers against these incredible heroes in the first age. I mean so many people love this world but don't like books or have the time to read. Many different reasons to why they never read the books (myself included). Let me know of your opinion. P.S Great channel keep up the awesome work. You have tought me a lot of the 1st and 2nd age.

Fëanor was killed by more like an army of Balrogs.

Eltariel is probably there to please the SJW's so that they do not cause trouble. I would not pay too much attention to her origins and all. Anyways, I think they confirmed the spider to be Shelob, but it could have been Ungoliant, since the entire game is basically fan fiction, we can drag it. I will go with your theory about Ungoliant but I would say that when the idk "bright" ring was created it probably would contain light from the two trees or some power of the Silmari, if the One ring contains a part of Sauron's soul, this ring should contain some kind of powerful element. Ungoliant now heavily weakened feels the bright ring and moves in to consume the ring. The ring might also enable her to change her form. She took the form of a spider and maybe she can change it with the ring's power. I think she probably would take the ring away in Mount Doom itself.

I like how you say vegetables. I like your accent in total though I guess for you I'm the one with a funny accent.

i thought this spider lady was Ungoliant but she's supposed to be dead since the first Age.

Well I think you're handling it pretty well, you're not bashing the game or being dramatic saying that the series is a disgrace to "true fans" and the original story. Just simply doing what the purpose of what this video is all about, pointing out differences while being indifferent but giving credit where credit is due. Is it just me or does this game look pretty lacking with it's visuals? It barely looks any better than the first one. Hopefully this is because they're concentrating on the story, how it's presented, and epic large scale battles

Well understanding the mind of Eru is like trying to understand the mind of God himself Sauron is trying to takeover Middle Earth and control it to petition eru to bring back morgoth from his imprisonment so yeah and if so Ron thinks that that will work then sorry I'm being able to banish people from death will probably be accepted by Eru also

Lord of the Rings is my favorite fantasy universe my second being Elder Scrolls my third being Dragon Age my fourth being Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate and my fifth being Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning I realize that almost all of them are video games but if you think about it so is Lord of the Rings and I played them all it's fun to combined all of these fantasy worlds together and I large fanfiction my new and sixth most favorite fantasy universe is For Honor

Maybe the sword of galadriel is galadriels daughter

Bruh why was Celebrimbor so mean to Gladriel I mean they were in love so like?

spider warning?

Could a dragon fight and defeat a balrog?

She is a spirit so it's #2

What would happen if Sauron regain the ring of power first thing he threw when she gets his physical form back is form fucking gauntlets that can't be chopped in half by a sword I mean swords aren't supposed to cut through plate armor to begin with so that was total bullshit in The Lord of the Rings

Why can't the creators just state that both Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War take place in the movie universe? Like come on it's kind of obvious due to the stuff we see in both games.

I know being a Tolkien fan means we have to get bent out of shape when something doesn't adhere strictly to the lore but this is a fucking video game. Who cares how closely it sticks to a made up mythology? Shadow of Mordor is a fantastic game that had nothing to do with any of the stories J.R.R. Tolkien wrote. It was just a fun game with a Tolkien skin and that's good enough for me.

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I don't really why they screwed up, I mean, I wasn't that familiar with the lore of JR.R.R. TOLKIEN and the whole Lord Of The Rings books, I didn't read any of them... I just watched the movies. And I wonder if maybe the reason is because the development team working on this game just went with the movies? Or maybe they didn't understand fully how Elvish and all these other dwarven and spirit and uh, whatever other languages are in the game, worked? Um... I imagine you are pretty pissed off about it? I just think you must have been to dedicate that much time to it in this video, right?! Uh, I find it impossible to know the difference in pronouncing everything you just said, uh, I tended to take a much more simplified view on The Lord Of The Rings in general, this is my take, uh, and please don't get too offended by this, but.. if it's got a good amount of mystery, exploration, bloodshed, dialogue, and memorable characters that leave me guessing why they did certain things, I am going to buy the game and not really care! I respect that you understand the lore and everything has happened better than I do, and I am not saying that I think that is a bad thing.. it's just to me, everything seemed the same as the way they did the movies and all because, I saw a whole bunch of blood thirsty orcs charging huge fortresses and saw the rings and Sauron and I was like Oh My God!! I am so getting this fucking game!

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The thing is, if you're going to build off someone else's lore, you need to stick to it. If you aren't going to, then make a game set in a universe of your own making. That way, people who actually care about the lore can make a game and won't have to fight for licensing.

this guys voice is annoying..lol

It's a Video Game, if it followed the lore like you cry babies wanted so badly, it would not be an original story. I read the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, the Hobbit, and Lotr books and yeah it isn't accurate to the actual story of Tolkiens Middle Earth, but it doesn't have to be. If it was lore following like I said before, it would just end up being garbage