Warbound (Belgian Company) has this environmental concern at the core of their game.

@@Azrael56 I'll take a look, thanks for the suggestion!

Just ordered. I can handle trading the carbon footprint of airmail for less plastic in the world. :)

Right on! I'm glad you're out there giving this a go :-)

Not to mention the older incarnations of the same concept can be interestingly different and often very complementary or just better for your tastes compared to the more modern ones. And if you go back to a white metal version it is in many ways easier to kitbash whitemetal - you often won't have to sculpt much if anything as you can carefully cut, file and then bend to repose the mini a pretty large amount without damage.

Been going down the second hand route myself recently, both prepaints that interest me, and some sprues or old game miniatures like original Heroquest and similar games.

Do you get second hand minis from eBay?

@@mumakin1 Yes. Just keep to a sensible budget.

@@mumakin1 No, a similar website local to my country. There's also special second-hand retailers, but those are often more expensive because they specialize in retro minis, but you can sometimes get good prices on non-retro stuff.

ohh, thanks for the tip! 🙂

That's the spirit!! :-)

Lol!

agreed! I suspect the mailman makes fewer trips to your house with 3d printing, but most people end up throwing away a small pile of resin 3d printing supports... I'm not sure what the supply chain looks like for resin manufacture vs. the various thermoplastics... it's definitely an interesting question!

@@GoobertownHobbies The main ”competitor” of Enviro Games on the eco aspect is of course the more traditional manufacuring companies. In mass production there’s also benefits, I guess energy used for one kit is quite small when the molding machines spend only seconds on one item. Trade-offs in everything, and I think that is what makes these things especially interesting.

@@apinakapinastorba Yes, Mass production can be very efficient. I can also very wasteful, pretty much depends on the enviromental laws of your country and how strict they are enforced. In an ideal world the big companies adopt a more enviromental sustainable way of production and come up with their own ideas to further improve.

I'd suspect this is hands down better than local printing enviromentally, but will ineveitably lack the shear scope of mini's a 3d print can provide. The UV cure resins are energy intensive to create and then cure in comparison to most thermoplastics I'd suggest, the support/sprue materials wasted are provable a greater % of the total material consumed to make the mini. Then you add in the washing solvents that at a such small scale are probably not used that efficiently - you are going to lose more to evaporation in the downtime between batches and most folks can't keep the many stages of dirty solvent to prewash with so you just don't get as much life out of each litre). Also have to consider the enviromental impact - an individual can (but shouldn't) pump crap into the air and have unsafe work environments, the company should be held to higher standards. And finally you have the material properties and recyclablility - printing resins tend towards brittle, especially the ones that can hold comparable levels of detail so you probably end up with more breakages and waste there too. Not that I think local 3d printing is at all bad environmentally, especially if you do take pains to filter out and dispose of the waste byproducts properly. And it is the only way to get some mini concept you want made - you only need the artist to get excited about the idea you want or accept your money and you can then print that mini that wouldn't get made even with things like Kickstarter making more niche stuff at least producible.

Hope this game makes it and we see new factions. Do love your cats though.

my thoughts too! they have several good ideas here that'd have an impact if some more companies followed along.

they're brand new, I'm glad I found them! and thanks for the kind words 🙂

hehehe, thanks! I'll get myself some nice new minis ;-)

thanks for watchin! :-)

Hullo! thanks so much for stopping by and for the kind words :-)

Agreed, shipping is a big part of the footprint. Local manufacturing / designing the package to be small helps a bit though! :-)

Amazing paintjobs too of course.

I'll figure out what to do with all those extra sprues one of these days... :-)

thanks! pretty neat, eh? :-)

oh sorry, I should have spelled it out somewhere... it's a material that's been gaining popularity in smaller production runs, I think I own siocast minis from like 10 different games now

I appreciate YOU!

heck yeah! :-)

thanks! they posted a bit of concept art on their instagram, and the future cavalry units look cool!! :-)

hey thanks! :-)

oh yeah, there are some quality NPCs in here for sure! :-)

thanks for watchin :-)

absolutely! :-)

ahhh, but I use nescafe instant coffee ;-) good recommendation though!

I've got my knomes and dwarves stored in that box right now! not a good solution for travel, but definitely a good storage box! :-)

@@GoobertownHobbiesNice!

*knomes ;-)

The pre-clipped bits is an aspect that I really like! I'm glad that the package didn't sit on my porch on a rainy day... I suspect most of these will arrive safe and sound, but we'll see! :-)

agreed! I'm still saving all my plastic sprues... I'll find the perfect use for them someday.... i hope... 🙂

Plus knomes are spelled awesome! :-)

I've got some mormont she-bears around here that have been calling my name...

noice@@GoobertownHobbies

@@GoobertownHobbies sounds awesome :) looking forward to them

oooh, thanks for the recommendation, I'm checking it out now! :-)

you're always welcome here :-)

Oh yeah, the brits have a solid population of hobby nerds! Totally agree with you on the way terrain builders re-using materials being an important and fascinating topic :-) I still have some of those good 'ol GW terrain crafting publications.

it's a fight that I am losing... but at least we have some cool minis :-)

oooh, yeah they kinda do!

yep- nothing wrong with grabbing some low-hanging fruit and making the easy optimizations to reduce the footprint a bit more though! :-)

@@GoobertownHobbies Maybe. But the counterfactual isn’t obvious. Like, let’s say GW optimizes its packaging a bit. I get a broken mini and send it back. What’s the trade off? Equally, let’s say I decide to stop using make up sponges, get annoyed when I rub some paint off, and decide to spend a day doing my high impact hobby instead. I guess it’s just not obvious that making the 1% of my impact that is hobby 1% more efficient is actually going to work out overall. Certainly not compared to putting the same effort into something more impactful. Like food waste etc

oh food waste is WAAAY more important in the scheme of things than anything going on in our hobby... but I'm glad there are some folks in our hobby working out how to make our little corner of things a teeny bit more efficient.@@OurCognitiveSurplus

yup yup! I hope they're able to be leaders on this stuff, we shall see! 🙂

right on! :-)