If you want to understand your rifle… get a bore scope. What an eye opener! It is a wonderful aid for bore cleaning and… if you are prone to running hot loads, you can observe the resultant accelerated fire cracking and erosion of the throat as it develops in real time. The borescope can help you decide for yourself to avoid running over pressure loads… they can be very nasty and chew up your bore faster than you think. Teslong borescopes are NOT expensive. Cheers!

I got about 2500 rds thru a 300 win mag. before throat erosion and accuracy loss. I only ran 3 shot groups then allow cooling. I dilligently ran hoppes #9 thru it. about every 10 rounds. bronze brush with patch rolled around it.

Most hunting game missed is the hunter not the accuracy of the barrel! Change my mind! Great video guys! I have seen barrels in the last 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles that the barrel looked horrible inside but shot less then MOA so when should the hunter replace the barrel?

There are so many variables.....I agree with everything you said. Overheating a barrel is the death....period

As always, great food for thought guys!! As a 6th generation engineer, I love data. Ergo, I keep an accurate record of all shots through every barrel I own. However, I have NOT kept an accurate record of cleaning said barrels. Now I will. Given the typical velocities I shoot, and the limited number of shots per year, I do not expect to ever "burn out" a hunting barrel. That being said, my M1 Garand, AR15, and K31 which I use for competitions may or may not get shot enough in my lifetime to burn out...only time will tell. Regardless, fouling effects would be easier to mitigate with a documented and strictly adhered to cleaning regiment. Thanks for that!

These episodes just keep getting better and better! Thank you Ryan & Mark 🥰

I didn't think I was going to like this episode, but it turned out to be very enjoyable! In fact, it was kinda therapeutic and relaxing to listen to. Only you guys could take a topic such as "Barrel Burnout", and make it an enjoyable listening experience, lol.

It would be interesting to clean that barrel down to metal then put in a bore scope to see exactly how that barrel looks after 6,600 rounds!

DO ANOTHER PREPER/SURVIVAL VIDEO!! your past couple videos on the topic have been awesome, hilarious, and on point 😊

Love the sign in the back…9x25 Dillon was my favorite after my 10mm Delta.

Here is a podcast idea. Best velocities on impact. I think fast bullets shot at game at close distances is less effective than slower bullets.

Good stuff! So nice to see a podcast put on by company that doesn't just become an extended ad for that company's products.

Good discussion, I agree it does happen but only a consideration for those that are Long Range shooters that are really burning through ammo at the range. I recall when I the Army the M4 I was issued I would guess had a minimum of 30,000 rounds through it.... I could still put the 300 meter silo down. The Remington 700 .308 (7.62) I'd bet they had 4,000-6,000 rounds through them.... still qualifying at 1000 meters. The .50 Cal barrels I have melted though lol.... but got about 2000 rounds through it with quick controlled bursts (new belts every 100-200 rounds) before she went tits up lol and it even kept the headspace and timing between barrel swaps... so guess what I'm saying is for the average 400 yard or closer hunter/rifleman barrel burnout shouldn't even be on the radar

Awesome time well spent

I have a 6.5-300 Weatherby that will probably take 25+ years at 40 rounds a year to burnout. I got it dialed and use it just for hunting. If I want to plink targets I have lower Performance cartridges for that.

First and right on time as im looking at 22-250s

I don’t understand how a world class competition shooter cleans their rifles perfect after every use then amateur shooters say cleaning a rifle destroys it and can never shoot good again. I’ve never had an issue with clean bores.

The throat burns out the quickest and will eventually cause inconsistencies when the bullet meets the rifling causing your groups to open up.

Rifle bores that are near the end of serviceable life look very different than young, healthy bores. Get a rifle borescope folks! The lifecycle wear of your rifle bore will cease to be a dark mystery and what bore cleaning products and procedures work efficiently becomes easy to decipher.

I am surprised no one talks about old milsurps when talking about barrel burn out. A trick for milsurps to judge how much a barrel may be burnt out is to stick a round down the end of the barrel and see how much it swallows the bullet.

Well done! good stuff ! Thank you :)

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One caveat - five or more round groups are still a statistically better indicator but i agree - shoot the group the way you would shot the rifle. Hunting? shoot 5 cold bore shots as your group. for competition plinking etc. groups should be a representative of the use

I had watched the Hornady podcast on this concept and one solution was to buy a longer barrel and simply cut of and re-barrel, giving up speed. But it might be better to just replace the barrel.

Those old XLC's are great barrel break-in bullets.

28 Nosler I think is a good example. Was looking at a bore scope on a 28 Nosler after 100 rounds already showing signs of damage. What got me looking at this was while at the range with my .338 Lapua, the guy next to us had a 28 Nosler and he was very frustrated with the loss in accuracy very quickly.

I hope y’all do a 6.5-300wby one of these days. I’ve been a big fan of #10miutetalks since it started and heard brief mention of the 6.5-300 but not much more then that!

vortex nation as usual was most interesting ..

Unless you have a browning a-bolt (same with x-bolt?). Even gunsmiths say the a-bolt barrels can't be removed without destroying the receiver.

3 shot group for hunting rifles and 5 shot group for target rifles. Rule of thumb, you only get one shot when hunting, maybe two and at most 3. Target rifles, minimum shot group measured is 5 shots. Build accordingly and shoot accordingly.

It would be interesting to see if simply cleaning that barrel completely could make it serviceable again. Then, if not, how much “setback” was necessary maybe in 1/4” increments to make it a shooter again.

Talk about these ultra fast twist rate barrels and their affect on barrel burnout.

My 6.5/284 is good for about 500 possible hits in the 10 inch X-Ring of 1000 yard NRA Target. But after 500 rounds the barrel throat is too washed out to deliver the consistent bullet flight needed to hold inside the X-Ring.

You guys are great Great video My 250 savage 1920 bolt action has 2 lifetime hunters in her past and there is no doubt she will outlast Mr E

I had a LeeEnfield 303, that was used for years with cordite powder, it had the recoil of a 22, near smooth bore.

On your black powder, moisten your patch with dawn/water solution. Shoot all day without fowling out

Well, Mark, Jim, Ryan, I guess it's time to make a video about "The Rifle Man's Rifle" (winchester model 70) Mostly, I am interested in: model 70 extreme weather ss Come on, guess, I have been asking this forever! And yes, Ryan, please compare it to our favorite tikka t3x stainless Thanks Gregory from Alberta

Shooting Blaser R8, barrel change is a breeze 👍🏻

An excellent, thought-provoking discussion that brings to mind why it's necessary to change engine oil. Both combustion engines and rifle barrels experience carbon buildup. But unlike car engines, rifle barrels and bullets have nothing to create an oil-lubricating barrier between the two. And anything to create a protective rust barrier inside a barrel after cleaning is gone after the first shot. Common sense would seem to dictate that waiting until accuracy drops off before cleaning a barrel is a great way to shorten its life and does far worse damage than waiting too long before changing engine oil. Competition shooters don't have a problem with this because they view rifle barrels much like dragster owners view engines. Both see replacement as a necessary evil that goes with being in game. However, the everyday car or rifle owner should take a much different approach if max life is the end goal by removing carbon long before the engine starts burning oil and the groups start opening up.

I don't know about barrel burnout until I started keyholeing. In the days before the internet.

Are you cutting the barrel with waterjet to get it cleanly split?

Great podcast guys i would love to see Ryan cut the Tikka barrel in half

Oh it exists. My 7mm rum has 50 shots on it and you can see alot of land erosion vs when I first got it. It's still a shooter though

Comment on something said at 40:10 I have an AR with a $50 300 blackout barrel holding just under MOA!!! Thats why I’m okay being a budget shooter, although not by choice.

you talk of barrel set back , would it still be worth the cost of doing a setback if there is a fair amount of fire cracking several inches ahead of the new cut chamber ?

Heat treats are critical for longer strings. Cryogenic heat treatment certainly helps. Production manufacturers gonna cheap out on everything.

I would say that most people wouldnt notice a barrel being worn out, since most people cant seem to shoot better than a 3 MOA group. That said, most of your very mainstream cartridges like 308 and 30-06 tend to be extremely good at preserving barrel life. Unless you are an extremely active firearms enthusiast, you likely won't burn out those barrels. That said, I am about to launch a video of a 6.5 carcano rifle with a barrel so far gone, I literally drop a bullet into the muzzle and it falls out of the receiver. No, it has not been rechambered.

I have yet to remove all copper from my 35 year old BAR 30-06. I don't know if I am making things better or worse for accuracy. Never seems to improve.

Why don’t you clean that barrel on the table till it is no blue patch passed and see how it shoots then scope it then cut it. I’m curious about the always cleaning degrades the accuracy topic. Can’t remember if there was a podcast on this already.

Just to pick a number, a dollar a round, 2k rounds is 2k. A new barrel is typically around 500. Depends on many variables. You might say $750 with gun smith labor cost. The ammo cost way more than the barrel and most good quality ammo is closer to 1.50 a round and up. Clearly you will spend way more on ammo than barrels but that is something I consider. If someone says it cost 2 dollars a round, I add 50 cents for a new barrel. One big issue is how long the wait for a new barrel is, if it's a custom design. Seems like everyone is making custom rifles these days and this has backed up the manufactures for months. plan ahead...

It all depends on context, 1.5 moa hunting rifle or .5 moa f class rifle.

do the cutaway and clean the off fall part of the barrel .clean it with the sweets 7.62 you used to use😄😄😄😄

Great job guys , but here's the curveball , i use cfe223 powder , so no copper fouling , but i'm thinking more barrel wear ? Am i right ?

My brother had a 264 win mag long term and it eventually washed out the throat and the accuracy tailed WAY off. Thats the only rifle l have ever seen do it to a noticeable degree.

how many rounds through a .308 win???? Im debating whther I should change mine out. Its at around 2k rounds.

Instead of cutting new barrel and the old one. What about cut that one in half and then clean one of the two halves?

I have built thousands of barrels in another life. Hunting and many many AR barrels.

#10MinuteTalk for 6.5-300 Weatherby! 🙋🏻‍♂️ And does a higher twist rate for a given caliber burn out more quickly?

Do you guys have any idea at what point does a cartridge become overboard i.e 22-250, 220 swift? VS something like a 222 rem

Does cryoing your barrel extend its life

In South Africa, the Barrel is seen as the Firearm, so re-barreling a rifle is an licencing mess

I have a Romanian surplus ak and I've shot it a fair bit and it seemed to do fine, but one day while cleaning it I looked through the bore and saw that the Romanian army shot the hell out of this gun before selling it off because the rifling is really worn out and I couldn't help but laugh.

SAKO S20 / 30.06 / SAKO powerhead-Blade ..... barel life expectation ?

24:00 Why? Why Zer0 cleaning And why allow it to be a proverbial sewer pipe?

Would the same be true for handgun barrels?

A 204-250 Ackley improved I have will only go 300-600 rounds, if coyote hunting it will last 10-15 years or more. On ground squirrels, it would be shot out in an afternoon. It would be fun thou. On the other side, a friend has a .222 Remington with well over 40,000 rounds on it, a bore scope showed the first three inches of rifling are gone, yet it still is a half inch shooter!? You tell me how that happens?

What is Ryan's "day job"? My 243 throat eroded ~1/10" in 1,000 rounds.

Good episode guys but I have to say: TEN MINUTE CARTRIDGE TALKS. 😅

A rifle barrell is a perishable item just like car tires. All depends how fast and miles driven.

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Belief before watching the video, only about 1% of shooters will ever burn out a barrel and those are typically going to be the competition shooters who go through 1500+ rounds a month (and expect a 5 shot ragged hole). Hunters will likely never burn out a barrel (who typically expect 2 shots to be minute of deer), they fire about 5 rounds a year. Now, to watch the show and see if I still believe that at the end.

cleaning process podcast?

What is the life of machine gun barrels ? People think stainless bbls wear out quicker . I dont think so stainless steel work hardens .

I got about a 1000 rounds out of my 28 nosler

If you sat on a prairie dog town in 1990 with a 22/250 and a 5 gallon bucket of ammunition, you could burn up a barrel. I know 😂

Unless you're a Professional Hunter where volume is an issue, barrel life should NEVER be a consideration on a big game hunting rifle. But more importantly, the rifle Weight needs to match the cartridge. I WONT build someone an 8lb 300 Magnum. Not gonna happen. Why? Because they can't shoot it. That 300 magnum is a 10 to 12lb gun with a muzzle brake. THEN it's shootable at long range without a flinch. The highest performance cartridge that YOU can shoot well is the answer. When consulting clients on rifle builds, I ALWAYS discuss recoil. "OH recoil doesn't bother me." B.S. Everyone is recoil sensitive, it's to what degree. Now if it's a Prairie Dog gun, yes Barrel life is a consideration. Competition guys don't burn out barrels. They ALMOST burn out barrels. You ask Ian. They take barrels off because they either start leaking shots vertically, or they take too long to clean as the round count goes up, or both. Great job Ryan, as always.

There’s nothing wrong with even a 10 round group, just wait between each shot. For hunting anyway, if your doing prs then you have entirely different requirements.

Think this episode had a good 19 listens before it gets redundant.

James Eagleman at Barbour Creek burns out more 6.5 Creedmoor Barrels than anyone else that I know of. They shoot factory 140 ELD Match ammo. He cleans the barrels every 80 to 200 rounds between classes and the barrels come off at 4,400 rounds because it becomes too difficult to hit a GOLF BALL AT 1,000 YARDS! Don't believe internet trash about it being a 2,000 round cartridge. That guy forgot more about long range shooting than 99% will ever know. Watch his videos, you'll see what I mean. Caused a lot of dirt naps over in the sandbox, if ya know what I mean.

Does it exist? Ask an F-Class or BR shooter ☠️☠️☠️