Ep024 - Audi S3/VW Golf R/MQB Turbo inlet comparison dyno test

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og_pfi_dan

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5 жыл бұрын

Ep024 - MQB S3/Golf R Turbo inlet comparison dyno test
We head to the shop to test out different turbo inlets on Dave's 2016 Audi S3 and my 2015 Audi S3.
Dave's car:
2016 S3
IE Stage 2 ECU tune - 93 octane tune
IE TCU tune
IE Open intake system
IE turbo inlet
APR Downpipe
APR intercooler
My car:
2015 S3
APR Stage 2 91 octane tune
APR TCU tune
APR intake
Stock turbo inlet and then changed to ECS turbo inlet (IE inlet will not work with APR intake and stock midpipe - discovered this after we started)
APR downpipe
APR intercooler and charge pipes
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@mygolfmk7209
@mygolfmk7209 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in the time, effort, and costs for running this experiment. Interesting results.
@ryandoyle4056
@ryandoyle4056 5 жыл бұрын
Stoked woke up for work and theres a new video.👌 10 hp from that Inlet and alittle lower iats all around win win.👍
@abrn4467
@abrn4467 4 жыл бұрын
wish more people would make videos like this, super useful thanks 👍👍
@alanday5209
@alanday5209 4 жыл бұрын
Being a huge PFI fan, and currently owning an MQB car, this video makes me happy. I'm hoping for more in the future, and maybe one day we can have a jb4 custom map 6 by Brent 😎
@djtonee83
@djtonee83 4 жыл бұрын
Love me some PFI and the whole family, but def appreciate the change in pace with the euro stuff. I currently have a mk6 gti and this def helped me make a decision to pull the trigger on son inlet/outlet pipes. Thanks and keep up the great work!
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Much appreciated. I'll be taking the S3 on Race week here in a few days, so keep an eye out for more coming soon.
@kovacspis
@kovacspis 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your efforts mate.
@meeterhead462
@meeterhead462 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the time to make this video ..Ive been asking about the Audi i keep seeing in the background of other videos ..it looked like a B7 model tho .. Keep it Radd Boiz !
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@overclockeverything2310
@overclockeverything2310 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! This is a video I've been wanting to see if it's even worth it to get the inlet for my APR tuned B7 Passat.
@flyYyify
@flyYyify 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for Dave!
@slomango7927
@slomango7927 4 жыл бұрын
That density altitude is insane 🤯.......I hate when it’s over 1500 here in NC
@DumpsterFireSC
@DumpsterFireSC 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Great information
@jasongtivr6
@jasongtivr6 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly that’s amazing it made that much. I definitely feel good about putting one on my car last year
@N734NJ
@N734NJ 4 жыл бұрын
Butt Dyno says that the inlet pipe was a good investment, but I'm glad we have solid numbers!
@smitherzz001
@smitherzz001 4 жыл бұрын
I heard the turbo do a little bit of a in and out whistle. Could that be it ? Is that like a boost leak or so?
@K03sport
@K03sport 4 жыл бұрын
... How heavy are those wheels/tires? Does audi put forged or cast stuff on the their S cars?
@RSX250
@RSX250 4 жыл бұрын
0.5 to 1 KR is nothing on these cars. 3-4 across all cyl is usually when knock starts happening. Anything higher than 4+ you are knocking. APR actually turns down the KR sensitivity on their tunes.
@christopherwoodhead7021
@christopherwoodhead7021 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Can you do one with a PTP turbo blanket Dyno before and after?
@wadeepperson6906
@wadeepperson6906 9 ай бұрын
I love these Volkswagen turbo engines. They can make so much more power over stock barely doing anything. Then they’re still reliable while doing it for the most part. The altitude is definitely pretty high here also. The lowest area is about 3900 feet and the highest being near 8000
@bm_wuratli6883
@bm_wuratli6883 4 ай бұрын
I saw a video about a guy all stock except downpipe and exhaust +tuned to 370hp every years he do 60k km no issue at all
@aliwoh
@aliwoh 3 жыл бұрын
So which inlet produced more gain?
@vhjioa
@vhjioa 4 жыл бұрын
Waaah that's insane power for a turbo inlet elbow! I got mine from Leyo Motorsport, I'd count it equivalent to IE.
@MrArt69
@MrArt69 4 жыл бұрын
What are you using for data log this cars?
@claudiovillanuevameyer56
@claudiovillanuevameyer56 3 жыл бұрын
I was wonder about the inlet for a while i got a mk7 gti is38, i wonder if its worth it the inlet thx
@ben-wl4bd
@ben-wl4bd 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently the way the apr is designed doesn't suck enough cold air. The grill is only inserted on passenger side in US. Driver side for UK spec
@ozaudi9953
@ozaudi9953 Жыл бұрын
are you talking about the factory air scoop where people cut out the side to open up for more air and remove the upper grill piece blocking that air inlet?
@sf2372
@sf2372 Жыл бұрын
Great results. Keeping in mind this is done on a mustang dyno. Heartbreakers and all
@karstgeo7290
@karstgeo7290 5 жыл бұрын
The question I always have about these tests is...why not repeat the baseline run at the end to close it up and show that with the oe elbow (or whatever part you are testing) truly bring the power back down to the level you started?
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 5 жыл бұрын
I suppose if we were trying to be a bit more scientific about it we could. Time constraints is why aren't able to continue to swap parts. The cars need to cool in between runs for consistency. We were making sure temps were the same so results wouldn't be skewed because of that. Thanks for watching!
@karstgeo7290
@karstgeo7290 5 жыл бұрын
100% understand - great that you doing it
@thomasdearing7718
@thomasdearing7718 4 ай бұрын
How is that little box fan providing enough cold air for that dyno?
@cristopherquesada6897
@cristopherquesada6897 4 жыл бұрын
Can you explain the install on the IE intake and IE turbo inlet tube. The inlet tube brings a silicon piece and the intake does as well thats suppose to connect to the stock inlet. Which silicon coupler do you use?
@jameshaulenbeek5931
@jameshaulenbeek5931 4 жыл бұрын
The Humble Mechanic just did this install on his Mk.7 Golf R, very similar install. Check out his YT video!
@luispadilla1675
@luispadilla1675 2 жыл бұрын
what do you guys use for logging ?
@raykor85
@raykor85 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it more likely that the horsepower gain is actually from the E85 mix and the reason you're seeing gains over multiple pulls is the mix becoming more concentrated with ethanol?
@bbowers825
@bbowers825 4 жыл бұрын
Except most people run a ethanol sensor so they can tell once the gas mix becomes mostly ethanol...
@sv.motorsports
@sv.motorsports 3 жыл бұрын
@@bbowers825 The factory makes changes regardless when you mix the fuels. From memory, it allows upto E30 of a mix before it cannot make anymore adjustments.
@brettcrochiere9537
@brettcrochiere9537 3 жыл бұрын
Disclaimer: I have little idea what I’m talking about. I’m not sure if there are gains in hp with ethanol being added to the fuel alone, and im pretty sure the ethanol only allowed the engine to run on the same “baseline” they were getting on pump gas under different conditions. Im assuming the timing was advanced uniformly across the tests and it’s still a fair comparison.
@anthonysharpe5104
@anthonysharpe5104 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. It needs to be done again without messing with the fuel.
@IAmLeutrimTopalli
@IAmLeutrimTopalli Жыл бұрын
@@sv.motorsports is this true?
@dirk5950
@dirk5950 5 жыл бұрын
IS38 doesnt make 400whp on pump. Not sure what correction you are using but it’s nothing like what you would see on a typical dynojet at sea level. Where can these datazaps be found?
@Nyfloridaboi
@Nyfloridaboi 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget they mixed in e85
@DaveWuDong
@DaveWuDong 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't catch the conclusion of IE vs CTS
@The1Karking
@The1Karking 11 күн бұрын
So which one did they say work the best I didn’t catch it??🤔
@jr45482
@jr45482 3 жыл бұрын
Does it void Warranty
@One_Guy
@One_Guy 4 жыл бұрын
You should dyno test the EQT MQB 2.5" DISCHARGE PIPE + TURBO MUFFLED DELETE next.
@One_Guy
@One_Guy 4 жыл бұрын
@NutriFIT nutritie si fitnes nice! anything is an improvement over factory necking down to 1.25 inches!!!!!
@Great_America
@Great_America 4 жыл бұрын
Every little bit helps 😎
@AMAA_BB
@AMAA_BB Жыл бұрын
Is same downpipe golf7 R and Audi S3
@dmerkling30
@dmerkling30 4 жыл бұрын
What’s that sound that the second S3 made mid pull? Was that compressor surge?
@susanstrong2221
@susanstrong2221 3 жыл бұрын
I think it was a Diverter Valve Spacer, my Golf R does at around 2800-3000 when I pull
@eyeamfresh82
@eyeamfresh82 4 жыл бұрын
Try the malaka motor sports one
@yoyigu
@yoyigu 4 жыл бұрын
Ams intake works with the IE turbo inlet pipe ? I Currently have the cts.. but the IE is... WOW. Any help is welcome!
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could answer that, but I don't have any experience with the AMS part.
@Mattmazz77
@Mattmazz77 4 жыл бұрын
Corrected?
@CesarGannod
@CesarGannod Жыл бұрын
Great video, Gents.👍 Who's the old school bmx fan?!🤔👍🏁
@familygunsandrides....8024
@familygunsandrides....8024 4 жыл бұрын
I need help with my 2004 Audi A4 , it doesn't have spark or power to the coils. What can it be?
@kawilifezx10r23
@kawilifezx10r23 4 жыл бұрын
Hope u fixed the issue i use to own a 2004 a4 3.0 fwd ultra sport model. Had her up to 182k miles before i sold her.
@restehumblemec1023
@restehumblemec1023 3 ай бұрын
Bonjour à tous 😊 Quelle est donc la meilleure piece à acheter ?
@ja.5763
@ja.5763 4 жыл бұрын
If his car is on 93 oct tune and yours in 91 oct tune. APR it's making way more power. If you had it on 93 oct your car would showed approx. 15 hp or more
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
We're both limited by the amount of available air at our elevation. I think the two tunes are pretty close in power and performance with the nod going to IE by a small margin. Our times at the track tell the same story.
@Clapxiomatic
@Clapxiomatic 5 жыл бұрын
I run a Uni stage 2 GTI with JB4 stack, I have the APR intake and APR turbo inlet pipe. For tuned cars I think its a must, every little bit helps. For me, I would say its 100% worth it for 5HP. Otherwise thats 5 HP less you dont get and they are not that expensive.
@Detriuch
@Detriuch 4 жыл бұрын
what 1/4 mile times you running with the uni stack?
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 4 жыл бұрын
How's the sound with that intake? Most say it pretty much whisper silent...
@ashykings
@ashykings 4 жыл бұрын
Ain't that fan a bit small, would of got more power with a better one I would have thought??
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah... It was better than no fan. We did let the car cool between runs for consistency.
@RealityComplex
@RealityComplex 3 жыл бұрын
Did you guys ever figure out what was up with his car? My S3 seems to surge at mid range loads like his was. What was the cause?
@tabletacc1
@tabletacc1 Жыл бұрын
Bad tune...
@SomeOne-on6yf
@SomeOne-on6yf 4 жыл бұрын
If PFI starts tuning MQB's on the cobb accessport I'm fucking driving from Houston to Colorado!
@Thebigwa
@Thebigwa 3 жыл бұрын
At 11:59 doesn’t sound normal to hear the diverter valve when he is flooring it.
@RealityComplex
@RealityComplex 3 жыл бұрын
Mine does this at times too, what causes it?
@adriane7841
@adriane7841 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds better with the IE intake imo
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, love the way the IE sounds for sure!
@onlydavid
@onlydavid 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. My 2018 Golf R made 390 HP and 408 ftlbs on the dyno with APR stage 2, 42DD Downpipe and ECS intake. I don't have the car anymore, but it sure would have been nice to see if I could have gotten to 400 HP with the elbow.
@eduardohernandez1697
@eduardohernandez1697 Жыл бұрын
Mi audi s3 en etapa 2 también con esas modificaciones podrá dar 390hp
@nickdinh8230
@nickdinh8230 11 ай бұрын
@@eduardohernandez1697ur turbo will say bye
@Stazi75
@Stazi75 4 жыл бұрын
You can definitely hear the turbo surge on the second car right as he starts the pull at 11:58
@kogarona
@kogarona 4 жыл бұрын
Not surge, BOV doing it's work... sound become more noticeable because of the CAI
@Stazi75
@Stazi75 4 жыл бұрын
Oscar Corona Sorry but you are wrong. The blowoff valve will not vent under boost. That is compressor surge which happens when he gets onto the boost but is outside of the efficiency map of the compressor. It is a tuning issue.
@Stazi75
@Stazi75 4 жыл бұрын
Watch this. It is Open throttle surge. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLeRlM1yt8nDc4U.html
@kogarona
@kogarona 4 жыл бұрын
@@Stazi75 surge only happens when you let off the throttle
@Stazi75
@Stazi75 4 жыл бұрын
Oscar Corona wrong again. You clearly haven’t watched the Dino video or the video I posted. I suggest you take a minute to educate yourself rather than making unfounded statements
@evojumpman8806
@evojumpman8806 4 жыл бұрын
What was the random pull from the is300
@BrodeyDoverosx
@BrodeyDoverosx 5 жыл бұрын
The waveyness looks like you’re smashing into torque limiters.
@johndking4735
@johndking4735 4 жыл бұрын
ummm anyone else notice the garage doors closed on a nice day, with a good looking shop? why not let the exhaust go outside
@meeterhead462
@meeterhead462 4 жыл бұрын
Lighting issues for cameras.. Brent talked about this before.
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
We do close the doors to appease the neighbors and keep the sound level down. It also really helps with lighting when recording. The doors are typically open when not recording though
@dubbleA100
@dubbleA100 4 жыл бұрын
OOOOOHHHH y'all in COLORADO?!?!!! I just got a MKIV GTI hmmm I might need to hit y'all up when I get my Ko4 👀 Where are y'all located?
@eb2959
@eb2959 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Legion. :D 15:11 for results.
@thetruthz13
@thetruthz13 3 жыл бұрын
Diverter valve issue on the silver S3
@se6586
@se6586 3 жыл бұрын
Think that would show up on logs?
@ChezzOnBass
@ChezzOnBass 2 жыл бұрын
Everything I've found thus far states that inlet pipes do nothing for power but simply increase throttle response. Seeing how the inlet pipe gets reduced at the turbo to fit the coupler, isn't the desired result negated by the reduction at the coupler?
@jonhaze7537
@jonhaze7537 4 жыл бұрын
@acjtwo
@acjtwo 4 жыл бұрын
So bigger intake = more power?.. What do you think about apr intake? Apr inlet?
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
In our testing, yes, the larger inlet makes more power. We didn't test an APR inlet as we didn't have one.
@koston777
@koston777 4 жыл бұрын
APR intake doesn't do much as far as air flow. If you just take off snow guard from air filter stock air box will do almost exact air flow as APRs. If you just get rid of snow guard and get a K&N drop in it measured much better air flow when you compare to APRs. There is a guy testing all those air intakes with air flow machine. You can find it on google.
@yoyigu
@yoyigu 4 жыл бұрын
@@koston777 with ams intake too?
@koston777
@koston777 4 жыл бұрын
@@yoyigu not sure about ams, but testings showed that stock airbox is really well designed. Of course any open type air intake will flow more air. But you gotta deal with heat soaks and actually losing power.
@yoyigu
@yoyigu 4 жыл бұрын
@@koston777 i have cts intercooler for that :) , ams intake is one of the best intakes imo, and looks sexy!
@danvaldez3797
@danvaldez3797 4 жыл бұрын
Soooo which one is better for a gti 😂
@miggyv6856
@miggyv6856 3 жыл бұрын
Following as well lol
@20bmx26k
@20bmx26k 5 жыл бұрын
Only thing I’ll add that makes this video with his inlet tests a bit questionable regarding his gains. His car also picked up more power the more runs he did after adding the ethanol because you were trying to reach the normal base line you already had. You have to factor that in. Ethanol mix’s can add 10hp by themselves. So with the ethanol and inlet combined. Going from 292 to 303 is completely expected.
@PowellMoore
@PowellMoore 5 жыл бұрын
What does corrected mean with the dyno numbers? Love the Audi btw
@woodyclio
@woodyclio 5 жыл бұрын
Corrected is what it would make at sea level. Due them being higher up than sea level they have less dense air. DA is Density altitude
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei 5 жыл бұрын
@@woodyclio except it was never meant to do that, correction according to the different standars, SAE, DIN, etc, was meant to compensate for SMALL climatic variations at sea level in different weather/season.
@j255c
@j255c 3 жыл бұрын
So did the ECS or IE perform better?
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 3 жыл бұрын
In our testing, the IE made a little more power. The ECS is the better value in my opinion
@j255c
@j255c 3 жыл бұрын
@@b16crxturbo better value for money or same performance?
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 3 жыл бұрын
@@j255c ECS made nearly the same power and is a bit less money.
@Abdullah-ry2wq
@Abdullah-ry2wq 4 жыл бұрын
So who’s better ECSTUNING turbo inlet or IE Turbo inlet?
@MasTiempoPorFa
@MasTiempoPorFa 4 жыл бұрын
IE
@YS-kb9nc
@YS-kb9nc 4 жыл бұрын
Cts..lol
@Abdullah-ry2wq
@Abdullah-ry2wq 4 жыл бұрын
Yandizzle I had the cts before it’s really bad!! i tightened it a little bit much , and the meterial damaged and defect like chinese parts
@YS-kb9nc
@YS-kb9nc 4 жыл бұрын
@@Abdullah-ry2wq I have had CTS 6 months with no problems. Geeze what did you use a breaker bar? Cant put that on CTS...That one is on you. To each is own I guess.
@Abdullah-ry2wq
@Abdullah-ry2wq 4 жыл бұрын
Yandizzle I searched for the same problem and I've seen a lot of people run into the same problem 🤷🏻‍♂️ .. go search it (cts turbo inlet failure)
@tanktheram
@tanktheram 4 жыл бұрын
5-8 hp on a Stage 2 tuned car? On a nearly stock car - think i'll pass. Thanks for the info, very in depth!!!
@mickybtegz7061
@mickybtegz7061 3 жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️🤣🤣🤣
@barbabarba5534
@barbabarba5534 Жыл бұрын
Are you ok sir ?
@mazlansful
@mazlansful 2 жыл бұрын
Improve hp great guys
@ItsTheFry
@ItsTheFry 5 жыл бұрын
The #ORIGINAL #PFIBOIZ #KSWAPTER
@Stazi75
@Stazi75 4 жыл бұрын
Next mod should be some nail clippers!
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
I work on cars, not worried about what my nails look like, lol, but thanks for watching either way!
@Beastnappy
@Beastnappy 3 жыл бұрын
@@b16crxturbo But you don't want nails like a woman😉
@r6bunny
@r6bunny 4 жыл бұрын
That’s low what do you run that on lantern oil you need some euro spec fuel
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 4 жыл бұрын
91 octane is all we get around here.
@MIK23458
@MIK23458 4 жыл бұрын
r6bunny The octane rating in the US is not the same as in Europe. They use a different ratio and our 97 Ron is equal to US 91.
@se6586
@se6586 3 жыл бұрын
When you got the whale blubber tune
@r6bunny
@r6bunny 3 жыл бұрын
@@MIK23458 It’s funny how anyone can think euro fuel and American fuel is the same you see all petroleum oil has the same amount of energy in it and the detergents are what gives an edge in the end product but in the states they put corn oil yes corn that you eat a whole 10% of it and I’m not going to get into the fact that could feed half of all people without food but corn has far less potential energy in it so to think its the same stuff is laughable by the way the RON is only the amount the fuel can be squeezed without exploding not the energy in the explosion
@cokeaddict1663
@cokeaddict1663 26 күн бұрын
Where’s the golf R tests 🤦‍♂️
@typedrew
@typedrew 5 жыл бұрын
all results null and void due to that fucking box fan lmao
@b16crxturbo
@b16crxturbo 5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, yeah yeah. The main dyno fan was in use on the other dyno with a 2jz powered IS300 making 650. We'll get another big fan eventually so there's one for each dyno. The box fan actually moves a decent amount of air, and is better than no fan I suppose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for watching!
@typedrew
@typedrew 5 жыл бұрын
@@b16crxturbo im just giving you shit, but i got a laugh out of that. great comparison vid
@ovdman
@ovdman 4 жыл бұрын
stage 2 apr 93 makes same as stock honda civic type r, hmmm. btw i have both 2015 stage 2 apr 93 s3 and 2018 honda civic type fully built and tuned now hovering around 400 whp and torque before anyone questions
@Nyfloridaboi
@Nyfloridaboi 4 жыл бұрын
A stock civic type r does not make 360whp stock so what are you talking about? And if your "fully built" civic makes only 400whp then it DEFINITELY not fully built... and I own a 600whp lsv
@andrewthach1989
@andrewthach1989 4 жыл бұрын
Talking out your ass haha
@ronaldov09
@ronaldov09 4 жыл бұрын
Stock Civic Type R making 360 wheel....sure thing buddy
@rars0n
@rars0n 3 жыл бұрын
There is so much noise and nonsense in the VW community regarding these engines and mods. "Turbo inlet doesn't make any horsepower," blah blah blah. Now, admittedly when I looked at my stock turbo inlet pipe, I figured an aftermarket wouldn't really be a benefit at all. However, coming from years of tuning DSMs, my mantra was always to add parts individually, tune for them, and see the results at the drag strip. I can't stand all of this VW "stage' nonsense because everyone just does certain mods and applies a flash and calls it a day. Nobody tunes the car themselves or actually tests mods with proper tuning and then they run their mouths on the internet about how certain parts do nothing because it's not required by their in-the-box "stage" tuning. Well, no shit, if your car isn't tuned for the part then it's not going to gain power. Or, they see a 5-10 hp increase and write it off as useless because "a tune will net you so much more power for the money." Well hey, when you're actually trying to go faster at the track, sometimes it requires you to spend a little cash on a part that only makes a slight difference, but actually helps a lot once you start modding the car even more. Gee, it's almost like nobody in the VW community cares about actually driving their cars fast! Or they don't understand how bolt-ons work. It's super frustrating to look into these things and see people spouting "experience" on the internet when they really have none. Grab your laptop, go to the track, and test the shit. Or do it on a dyno. Anything less is just spouting nonsense. I like PFI. You guys are cool.
@anthonyortiz4538
@anthonyortiz4538 3 жыл бұрын
Can y’all invest in a better dyno fan lmao tf is that
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