Ep166: Fire Kasina Mystic

Ep166: Fire Kasina Mystic - Daniel Ingram

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In this episode I am once again joined by Daniel Ingram, independent Buddhist writer, author of ‘Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha’, and co-founder of the Emergent Phenomenology Research Consortium (EPRC).
Daniel recounts his history with the obscure but powerful fire kasina technique, which uses a candle flame to enter into advanced states of meditative concentration. Daniel shares his successes and failures, encounters with occultists and meditation masters, and investigations into ancient texts.
Daniel reveals the many uses of the powerful concentration that can be developed using fire meditation, discusses his own experiences of psychic powers and out of body experiences, and considers the risks of mental illness when dabbling in esoteric realms.
At the time of recording, Daniel had just returned from a three week intensive private fire kasina meditation retreat, and he also gives a detailed practice report from his meditative seclusion, as well as practical advice for those who wish to explore this technique for themselves.
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Topics Include:
00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Daniel’s history with the fire kasina technique
06:23 - Bhante Gunaratana
07:03 - Honeybunny the ceremonial magician
09:08 - Retreats at Gaia house and first out of body experience
12:15 - Breakthrough retreat
17:36 - Correlating fire kasina experiences with Daniel’s insight levels
19:43 - What age is best for peak meditation attainment?
25:50 - Ceremonial magic path to high concentration
27:25 - Crowley’s Book Four
28:00 - Concentration vs liberation
29:44 - A powerful experience on retreat
32:22 - Various applications of fire kasina
34:42 - Safety warning
36:55 - Experiences of OBE’s and the powers
43:09 - Divine eye and divine ear experiences
46:54 - Psychic powers or a daydream?
50:30 - Dangers of the powers
52:15 - Daniel’s guide for group retreats
01:02:14 - Practice dose advice and ideal retreat duration
01:09:10 - Aftershock and afterglow
01:19:15 - Intention, summoning entities, and retreat goals
01:29:32 - Mania, psychosis, and the clinical view
01:35:07 - Daniel’s report from his recent intensive fire kasina retreat
01:51:19 - Kripal’s flip and coping mechanisms
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Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James

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@PeterStuckings Жыл бұрын

I have to admit to liking very much how he points to the books on the shelf 😂

@dheerajbakoriya1123 3 ай бұрын

The first thing I did after playing this video was take a screenshot lmao

@danielhall67 Жыл бұрын

@9:58 - HOLY SHIT!!! The first time I ever tried meditation I didn't have any instruction, I was just playing by ear. I was focusing on the impressions of light on the backs of my eyelids. I was in the Army in basic training, and on Sunday we had the option of going to church or a 'meditation room', which was just a conference room. The lighting in the room was just fluorescent. Nothing special. What he describes here is exactly my experience... to a point. Because I never meditated, I didn't know what I was supposed to experience, so when my thoughts suddenly stopped, full stop... I felt just like consciousness floating in an infinite void. I felt bodiless. I freaked the fuck out. I snapped back to reality, opened my eyes and was like, what the fuck! I never knew this was an actual technique and that it had been written about and practiced extensively!

@codycarl6027 Ай бұрын

Hey bro! That was real reality it's a holographic universe brother I'm so glad you went to the meditation room you got the best of both worlds because that's real church too. That just made me really happy reading your comment keep it going it will change your life for the best you realize why you came to this earth school.

@LoveJungle420 Жыл бұрын

Another incredible episode with Daniel! It's so helpful to hear someone touch on the esoteric magickal path and relate it Buddhist practices. I chose to pause my esoteric practices to focus more on insight and awakening, but people like Daniel make me feel like it's possible to marry these two practices. There is some prejudice against the process of awakening in esoteric circles and a ton of prejudice toward magickal practices in the Buddhist world. Fire Kasina seems to blend these two worlds together.

@VeritableVagabond Жыл бұрын

I’m all fired up for this one! Daniel seems to be too 🔥🔥🔥Your episode with Daniel on magick and the occult is definitely one of the best episodes and this one seems reminiscent.

@littledarkone1995 Жыл бұрын

I would love for a round 2 w/Daniel & Delson on Siddhis. One question, or perhaps topic, that I would want to address regarding powers is the degree to which they go. I'm curious what Delson's take is when it comes to the reported Siddhis, powers, and miracles when it comes to what is attributed with many Kriya Yogis (Paramahansa Yogananda's book is a hallmark for this) but also Buddhist masters of the likes of Dipa Ma. When it comes to walking through walls, walking on water, being able to go back in time, bilocation, and so forth. I would really like to not play coy when it comes to those things and get their honest take or perhaps even personal experiences with such matters.

@user-fg3fv9hl3b Жыл бұрын

@@j0358 would you be willing to share some of those experiences here? I'm interested

@karitabergman3940 Жыл бұрын

Love Daniel

@WaterSeesWater Жыл бұрын

As for OBE through meditation, Jurgen Ziewe would be the best person to be interviewed .

@bike4aday Жыл бұрын

I'm so excited for this!

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This is one of the best resources out there for Fire Kasina. I loved the phenomenology! Like around minute 14 and also at one hour and 42 minutes. Excellent job! :D

@melektaus3341 Жыл бұрын

Love seeing you here Andres. Your work is top tier.

@consciouscactus Жыл бұрын

No surprise seeing you here as well :)

@lovelife533 Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I wanted! Trying to plan a fire kasina retreat this winter break. Love you Daniel, keep up the amazing work.

@sid.r Жыл бұрын

Your videos are also really great. 😊

@lovelife533 Жыл бұрын

@@sid.r 😂 love you too sid

@lolcatyo3649 Жыл бұрын

This is going to be a treat! Nice work.

@C14445 Жыл бұрын

This was a treat!

@iMatia69 Жыл бұрын

Incredible episode. Thanks for having Daniel on again.

@toddm6999 Жыл бұрын

Check Ajahn Sona at Birken he does Kasina practice and teaches it...I find this fellow extremely experienced honest and open about his retreats I would trust Daniel on long retreats as a partner on the journey...his explanations and framing are other worldy.. .however risks applied...Viking Guru thanks for doing this...highly interesting.

@cryoshakespeare4465 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful interview, thank you so much for sharing. Hearing the dialogue between Daniel and yourself is both inspiring and grounding in a very helpful way. Cheers!

@dgliber Жыл бұрын

This interview is absolute gold. Thank you!

@mpavoreal Жыл бұрын

Utterly awesome, what a beautiful man doing such good work. Thanks GV!

@deborahbayer5798 Жыл бұрын

Experiencing deep desires for more conversations on these topics, especially those last 6-7 minutes. Thank you both so very much for your practices and for this episode 🙇‍♀️🙏💗

@ceruleandusk Жыл бұрын

I had to watch on 0.75x speed in order to understand Daniel because he speaks super fast!! Also, this is not a critique but an observation: Daniel does not seem the stereotypical Samatha practicioner who is calm, composed, focused, collected, etc. He looks more like me when I've had a cup of coffee and no meditation for that day. But maybe this is because he is super excited talking about this topic. But please do more podcasts with him, I would love to see he talk about the other Samatha Objects: Kasinas, Brahma-Viharas, Arupa Jhanas, etc

@legtornasz6858 Жыл бұрын

the exited Arahant... wait, what?

@LeftOfToday Жыл бұрын

Funny, because I watched this (and many other podcasts) on 1.5x... Then Daniel REALLY doesn't seem like the calm and composed type :)

@pedrofuster9161 Жыл бұрын

@@LeftOfToday me too, 1.5x!

@AliciaMarkoe 2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🦋

@crypto2frens Жыл бұрын

More content with these fascinating practitioners!

@Moriandrizzt Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Thank you so much for these podcasts.

@santerihuida4215 10 ай бұрын

This was an excellent show. I'm really glad that the dangers of the practice are underlined, it seems the same as with psychedelics, where you really should stay far away if you have any risk for mental illness, but it is almost impossible to know if you are in the risk group beforehand.

@danielhall67 Ай бұрын

@15:41 - I have a theory. I have, on some occasions, seen colored patterns when meditating. Not to the extent that Daniel has described. What I believe this to be is the material floating around inside the eyeballs. If you’ve ever taken a blow to the head and ‘see stars’ you will see it better. The blow to the head causes the material inside the eyes to get shaken up, and what we see is the light refracting off the particles. So what is happening is the eyes are seeing themselves. Which is quite a level to achieve by the way. However, the mind wants to make sense out of the nonsense. The mind wants to form patterns, just like a Rorschach Test. I think the historical Buddha warned against being deceived by these images. He was aware they were illusory products of the mind. However, to achieve this level of skill is a great feat. It requires a certain level of detachment from the body. When people die or have Near Death Experiences (NDEs) they still have the experience of all their senses. How is it possible to have senses without the sense organs? In a recent NDE video I watched a man had a theory that it is our consciousness that creates the phenomena of having sense organs. I see consciousness as a flame. And the fuel for the flame is contact with the sense objects. Sight, Sound, Smell, Taste, Touch. 5 different types of fuel. Whatever we see during deep concentration is that flame. We are watching consciousness. Or perhaps it is more like a mirror, reflecting back our consciousness. And in that way it is creating more contact with sense objects. The mind itself and mental phenomena can be considered a 6th sense. The Buddha instructed to turn away from the mental phenomena and go beyond this. I believe it’s possible to see the future, hear other people thoughts and have other abilities. I believe the way these are understood is misunderstood. We don’t read other peoples thoughts because there is no such thing as an other, and thoughts do not belong to this person or that person. Seeing the future isn’t seeing the future because time is an illusion created by having a body. When consciousness is distanced from the body, we see an array of moments and understand their relation to one another. Moments are adjacent to each other like objects are adjacent in space.

@dorelrotar8468 8 ай бұрын

Very good podcast! I appreciate a lot the sincerity and honesty of both of you ! Thank you guys ! We need to know the truth and to demystify all those stories ! It’s the truth that will bring us to a better seashore

@mintsaucemilitia 10 ай бұрын

Daniel is just the best. Love his enthusiasm, wit, and passion for sharing. He's inspired me to finally shift my stubborn self out of a many year hiatus / rut when it comes to my esoteric efforts. Of course, coincidentally / serendipitously at a time of great change and upheaval in my life, when I needed it the most.

@em-dy3hn Жыл бұрын

Whoa! Thank you for the book recommendation at the end! I will definitely read it. Jeffrey Kripal's The Flip.

@Phosphene_Dream 9 ай бұрын

Wow, just wow, thank you so much for this! I’ve been keeping my eyes peeled for a very long time for something just like this that might explain so many of the things that I see when meditating, and he just described experiencing/ seeing himself -from within the minds eye- all of the amazing 3D fractals, all the stuff about the lines and how they converge and the rainbow effect, and how it kinda feels like I’m moving my hands/ limbs through syrup and a bit more slowly in this state, and the stuff about suddenly popping or dissolving into some other reality with the entities! The first time that happened to me it honestly scared the crap out of me, I (that is my entire body) just completely disappeared and it felt as though I was just pure awareness without a physical body. And I also get those random visions in my head like a movie when meditating as well! Like I suddenly just see people getting off of a bus or something. All very cool, I’m gonna check out all this kasina stuff now for sure.

@bimbram Жыл бұрын

THANKS!!

@justiceearth9702 10 ай бұрын

I wanna try that fire Kacina meditation. It sounds so cool

@brotherxv Жыл бұрын

LETS GOOO‼️‼️

@manjushadubey2163 Жыл бұрын

Thanks denial I am Vipassana meditator I also experienced same as you describe vast space and all things around become small tiny bright lights even after I open eyes and emerge slowly inside my heart space this video give me lot of knowledge thank you guru Viking.

@Sprite_525 Жыл бұрын

I loved the part at 39:36 “ power up , get to the landmarks. Intend, and just keep setting it up & keep intending, and see what happens. *That’s the basic formula for all of this stuff.”* So fascinating. This is exactly the formula for Buddhism’s advanced practice called “5 factor samādhi,” a scholar just wrote about it (bucknell) and he believed that a lot of Buddhists had totally overlooked the “intending / extending the mind” part of samādhi. For anyone interested, the sutta AN 5.28 gives the practice Daniel & Bucknell mention: max out the 4 jhanas, then 5th step is to really extend the powered up mind to something by “reviewing” or returning to the idea, the analogy is like looking at a person over and over in different postures.

@Spectre2434 Жыл бұрын

People should know how to balance the Five Elements if they are doing these practices.

@Atman23 Жыл бұрын

It's interesting to consider that the pineal gland has light receptors. The pineal gland is also thought to be the place in the body where dmt is produced. I wonder if looking at a candle flame for hours on end would cause the pineal gland to produce excess dmt allowing for an endogenous dmt trip? I mention this because I've read reports of people who smoke dmt also being kicked out the dmt realm, as if the cosmos is saying that's enough for now. Many thanks to Daniel for reviving fire kasina, and my deepest gratitude to those ancient monks who carried this tradition for 2 thousand years. God bless you all

@user-fg3fv9hl3b 4 ай бұрын

That's a great and interesting point. I always felt like the pineal gland stuff was ruined by so many people who hardly meditate and are just into mystical sounding stuff, but it makes sense in that context 😃

@DenverDzogchenPodcast 6 ай бұрын

I'd like to hear more about Pop Culture Magick

@Atman23 4 ай бұрын

Commenting on what Daniel said about peaking at the age of 33, I think that fire casino is unique in one particular way obviously when you light a candle you're converting matter into energy and then in the practice of fire Kasina you look at the flame so that energy is then passing into your retina through your visual nerve back to your occipital lobe and due to the after image you are over stimulating your visual system it's my assumption although I think I'm correct that the over stimulation causes the brain to attempt to restore homeostasis by creating new neural pathways and because you're dealing with an energy source such as a candle flame I think this is the empirical explanation for why fire Kasina continues to provide Daniel and myself and others with additional and new Realms of exploration like light from The Big Bang itself it seems that energy has a non-entropic effect on reality and the central nervous system of life forms Perhaps this is why fire was the core of so many ancient religions including Vedic religion ancient Judaism modern day Hinduism even Roman Catholicism uses lots of Fire Perhaps Mass adaptation of fire Kasina would help many people and collectively raise our awareness

@tednation Жыл бұрын

It's interesting that Daniel mentioned his experiences were similar to that of what he's heard of Ayahuasca. I do think there is something very similar to these practices and entheogens.

@poimandres Жыл бұрын

Great! Love Daniel ^_^

@carlacampbell2430 Жыл бұрын

I was taught to look at the four different colored dots corresponding to the four elements,(one at a time of course) closing the eyes and seeing the dot in the opposite color and then stepping through the dot into the realm of that element. Just another way of working with the elements.

@top5paranormal254 Жыл бұрын

Great episode

@dhammasi7965 Жыл бұрын

Make sure you don't flip out man!!!☸️🙏🙏🙏

@HeartSpiritWolf Жыл бұрын

I love that video and the honestly, directly coming to the point. I'm hooked! Is there a possibility to also talk about the other element kasinas like water, air, earth and especially space? I would be a tremendous help and inspiration as I find as fire does not necessarily fit to everyone. _/\_

@kiyannareynard1850 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this informative dialogue, I appreciate it. What do you think about different elemental Kasina, based on what is needed to balance one's birth chart?

@axilleaskazuya5370 Жыл бұрын

Wooooooow yeap

@user-fg3fv9hl3b Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@dreamwalkerday3342 Күн бұрын

A tourist not a native…I like that!

@Spectre2434 4 ай бұрын

You should have Dr Nev Jones on a talk with Dr Ingram ❤❤❤

@Lipinki.luzyckie Жыл бұрын

funny, I just spend a couple of evenings browsing his fire kasina site. Oh Lord at 1:29:00 dad jokes alarm! 🚨🚨🚨

@Theconsciousmovement Жыл бұрын

31:00 that is not you creating the experience, but it is given to you while you are witnessing your thoughts. This is beyond me, it is that which I am apart, yet it is more then me and not like me, or any of my willing.

@bevansieber7133 Жыл бұрын

wait wait wait... Take afterglow as object!!??? Genius! (1:37:40) ill remember that lil nuggie!

@floralcare Жыл бұрын

wow

@sleepywoodelf Жыл бұрын

Any benefits to doing kasina for shorter periods, like a daily meditation practice?

@ruipedroparada Жыл бұрын

is there a "condition" in which meaning is over-ascribed to internal and external phenomena? +, given the presence of thought formations, jhanic states can safely be discounted (the descriptions sound very much like brain-junk in s state of self-generative proliferation)....just wondering...

@TravisTellsTruths Жыл бұрын

Sir, how do you power up in this context? A question for our traveler. Be aware, be not distracted by these lower beings. Channel yourself upwards with love to heavenly realms. Intend to contact one's Holy Guardian Angel--or even the very God Consciousness. The actual 4th state. Through the void of amnesia is the very Light of God.

@georgevockroth8806 Жыл бұрын

Has Daniel looked into the Templeton Foundation as a possible source of funding for the EPRC? It would appear to be tailor made.

@danielm.ingram1449 Жыл бұрын

Yes, we have had ongoing dialogue through applications and replies with Templeton, though I get the sense that we are a bit deeper into the water than they are currently entirely comfortable with, though gently working to move that threshold. Thanks for the suggestions.

@robertkirby4590 Жыл бұрын

What are some occultist memoirs people would recommend?

@69Jackjones69 4 ай бұрын

Magia by Alan Chapman. Bit of memoir as it features a transcript of his retreat at Pelion.

@Spectre2434 Жыл бұрын

A Dzogchen teacher Lucjan Shila gave me this Practice

@Prueba_Te Жыл бұрын

Another great episode, Daniel helped me a lot some years ago. But I don't understand what's an arhat when Daniel mentions that in the last retreat he went through some trauma-like images from his childhood or that he had been working on certain chakras on the last retreat. Is not an arhat someone who is free from all karma and these stuck patterns? Like totally healed? (at least healed in a personal level) It sounds very much like what I do in almost every meditation session, going through old stuff that's blocked somewhere in me. I'd appreciate very much any insights or resources!

@teodoravukovic4643 Жыл бұрын

You can try to listen to the interview with Culadasa about meditation and therapy. He speaks about that.

@johannessannwald2719 Жыл бұрын

Well, there are suttas talking about lay people dying after they attain full liberation, because it is 'too great, for the low vehicle of lay life'. And there is no one else of the people, we believe to be arahats, who talk about it too much. (If at all) So yeah...

@Prueba_Te Жыл бұрын

@@teodoravukovic4643 thank you, Teodora. I am a bit familiar with Culadasa's story because I got very interested into the particularities. I'll rewatch the one you say. But about Culadasa he seems to be an enlightened being, but he was very clear about the traumas he had hidden that came up after using different therapies. But as far as I know he didn't claim to be an arhat. I'll check the episode because maybe he talks about all this and I just don't remember.

@Prueba_Te Жыл бұрын

@@johannessannwald2719 thanks Johannes. I've read about this in other traditions of spirituality (not Buddhism) and they talk about beings leaving their bodies not because of Enlightenment alone but because of lack of desire to continue living, like they didn't want to do anything else. As I understand for example the Buddha was alive because he wanted to teach the Dharma. Boddishatvas continue reincarnating until every single being is awakened so they need a body. There are stories of many yogis who left their body, I understand because they were not interested into this after their realization. But I have no idea anyway, I see the great being Daniel is but when he mentions to be working on opening his chakras or childhood memories is kind of shocking for me, I suppose that I misunderstood totally what an arhat is, at least clearly from Daniel's point of view

@teodoravukovic4643 Жыл бұрын

@@Prueba_Te Thanks for replying. Many Arahants don't claim this attainment because it is agains the code of their lineage. This is largely what makes Ingram so controversial and what disturbs many people. In that episode, Culadasa says that he has attained a state where there is no identification with the self or anything else, characterized by complete centerlessness. To my knowledge of the 4-Fold Path, that stands for enlightenment.

@bvim75 Жыл бұрын

Can anything be achivied by only doing it for 30min a day?

@thefrederation Жыл бұрын

Where can one find the vishuddimagga and vimuddimagga? I can find a copy of the former but the latter eludes me!!

@thefrederation Жыл бұрын

found it, its called the vimuttimagga! pdfs are available online

@stephenklug4961 Жыл бұрын

I’ve achieved much of what he is talking about by dropping acid. I’d like to achieve it without the need for acid, sounds like a lot of work though

@ijikayuto2950 11 ай бұрын

Meditating 16 hours a day for 7 fays XD

@Bishop1104 Жыл бұрын

Can somebody please tell me the books he mentioned. Something about moodi maga and etc

@gideonros2705 Жыл бұрын

Visuddhimagga; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visuddhimagga Vimuttimagga; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimuttimagga

@bp32216 11 ай бұрын

The Visuddhimagga and the Vimuttimagga. They are worth looking into.

@mispanludensprinck5652 Жыл бұрын

I think an enlightened person should radiate peace.

@davidstrickland1127 Жыл бұрын

Most practiciners ...end up glibb and condescending towards other practices..not this guy...i love his fascination with awakening...and other tradditions...he he

@TheWizard10008 Жыл бұрын

Who is Honey Bunny?

@ruipedroparada Жыл бұрын

but very interesting; very psychedelic indeed (endogenous DMT?)

@mattrkelly Жыл бұрын

enlightened people are always so weird!

@davidstrickland1127 Жыл бұрын

Every one is...exept me and you...but i think your a little bit wierd..he he.

@mattrkelly Жыл бұрын

@@davidstrickland1127 yes... Im also very weird 😎

@golgipogo Жыл бұрын

I get so much from your podcasts. Why spend time with DI?

@user-fg3fv9hl3b Жыл бұрын

Because the majority of people here want to see more of him (incoming: you saying the opposite), you have the option to skip if you don't like.

@gracepoint-vo1hy 8 ай бұрын

Spiritual Emergency! Groff !

@Spectre2434 Жыл бұрын

You need lesser Siddhis to have Greater Siddhis.

@5piles Жыл бұрын

way below access concentration / shamata

@user-fg3fv9hl3b Жыл бұрын

@isisneteru1013 Жыл бұрын

@5 Piles....Pls elaborate. Kasina practices take you past nimittas to 4th jhana where a lot of these siddhis awaken and the Equanimity state. How is this below access concentration which is not even 1st jhana?

@5piles Жыл бұрын

@@isisneteru1013 nimittas are not part of the desire realm. they only appear once one is fully stabilised in 1st jhana and accomplished a clear sign of one of them. 1st dhyana means can effortlessly sit for 24h straight in perfect samadhi and already will have certain siddhis such as limited recollection of immediately preceding past lives, perfect memory recall ie. ability to observe the chain of thoughts link by link by link backwards for as long as one wishes. in addition to long being past interested in any of the desire realm sense objects such as food and sex. theres way more to do be said but currently ppl who think are in the jhanas are not even anywhere near jhana and are unable to describe the events that occur on the 9 stages of shamata nor able to explain from direct experience the order of the physical and mental pliancies and blisses that occur upon first reaching shamata.

@user-fg3fv9hl3b Жыл бұрын

@@5piles is that your experience?