Not too many watches better in quality then Rolex, especially in the steel sports. The Omega is not better in any way! If you say that you don’t own a Sub or maybe it’s the 5 digit

Good watch mean you have style because I don’t see any style if pout Apple watch. 😅🤣

@@valentinomc Speak English motherfk Apple Watch 🤣🤣🤣

Actually a gold Rolex will open doors, trust me I’ve seen it on a close friend many times, a steel Rolex won’t do shit though

@@torontowatches9709 many watch reviewers and experts would argue differently. Perhaps horology isn't your main interest, maybe your area of expertise lies elsewhere.

Me too. SM is my beater, Sub at work and trusted places and Speedy when I dont wear the Sub out to nice places.

Great comment! I have a sub, but I am in the market for a 300m to use for travel and low-risk beater tasks (g-shock takes the worst beater jobs)

Agree! I actually sold my Omega Planet Ocean because I just could not justify wearing a $6,600 watch to put gas in my car or go to the grocery store, or hike on a mountain. Instead, I bought a slightly used Sinn 104 for a little over $1000, and wear that for those tasks. I do have two Omega's, a GMT 50th anniversary, and a Seamaster Chronograph from the late 90s, Which I enjoy very much, but I don't think I'll ever be able to wear a really expensive watch in public again.

Exactly my thought. Price retention didn’t need to be in there. I felt it was added just to give Rolex a boost. Just another Rolex D rider, I guess. 😂

The heritage seamaster 300 has an amazing bracelet if you a fan of omega

I think that 7/10 availability for Rolex is a bit too kind 😅

Roger! :)

Sorry but definitely omega all the way i have the Rolex same one and the finish omega all the way

Platinum markers? Don't know who told you that mate they're stainless steel

Stainless steel plated with platinum and white gold on the hands. I like the larger pip on the sub for better legibility when diving.

I think the sub is better lol I do agree both are awesome you can’t go wrong with either one or both.

Omega all the way

Wins what? sub is much more iconic, has better value retention, is much more versatile everyday wearer and is the absolute standard for a sports/divers watch. So again, better at what?

Agree, it looks much nicer in reality

bro you must be smoking something .. have you ever tried a sub ? the comfort and the size can never be even compared with the seamster...

@@sergezerkin did I mention anything about the comfort and size on any of them ???? The sub is the better size imo but the SMP wears smaller than 42. Nobody was attacking the sub. It's probably the most iconic watch of all time for good reason. That being said I do believe you get much more watch for the money with the Omega then the Rolex. And no I'm not a Rolex hater, I have one and think they are impeccable watches

@@sergezerkin he’s correct

@@sergezerkin I have the sub guy to be honest with you I don’t like it omega all the way guy you’re funny😂

Omega Co-axial got new rival, GR Dual Impulse. Check out 9SA5 movement

Same here :)

Rolex already smashed the Omega Co-Axial in their updated SeaDweller 43mm. Rolex released their response to the Omega Co-Axial, and Omega haven’t come back since. Learn your shit 💩

​@@clambake3771 Agreed brother,

Well, the Rolex is two Times more expensive for the same shit and a bit less of specs, and you can’t get one new, you need to get a 15 grant pre owned one. But it is really a 5 grant watch. I prefer by far the omega. For 10-15 grants, I’d rather pick a GO SeaQ, a Bp 50phatom or a GS diver (the one with the black dial that looks like a weavy ocean at night).

@@carlito1777you can get them new you must wait or build a relationship.

​@@carlito1777 Not even close to the same shut. The sub blows it away in iconic staus, is much more of a daily wear for all occasions, it won't look obsolete because a new iterations comes out every couple of years and sure as shit you're not going to take a 30% hit when you try and get rid of it.

Dude the Omega is much bulkier than the Sub. Check the case width.

@rafaeloliva6425 most omega yes. But the one I'm talking about was so light when I tried it on. Just perfect I've moved on anyway. Saving for a Longines Spirit 37mm black dial

Haha! Thanks Andy, without a doubt, the smp offers amazing value and I would re-buy it without blinking, but this time on the bracelet version :)

You did a dumb move, congratulations you played yourself

@@frankv7068 he’s got a better watch

@@CodyVella How is it better, Rolex looks better, people value it more, it has better history and it kept the same look since it came out. How many Sea Master will come out not looking like the original, specially with that hideous wart on the side and that none tapering bracelet, what a movement that that you need a measurement to see the accuracy get out of here with that Omega looks ugly I’m sorry.

@@frankv7068 I think your personality tells everything agree ugly 😂 I have a sub same one it’s been in my safe for 4 years and let me tell u I got the omega 300 diver ! Definitely love it much better looking and better movement and do you know what’s the greatest thing men the finish flawless u don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about get lost buddy 👌👎

I’m definitely gonna sell my sub omega all the way love it company

best comment i've read

Nothing lasts forever.... Nothing !

​@@antoinemozart243 Yeah, but Rolex won't change the overall look of the Sub every few years. How many iterations of the Omega on the past 10 years?

Uuu the black dateless one. Beauty!

@@BraveBeaters Yes. That or the black ceramic 43.5mm with sedna gold, but it looks a little too much like a Yachtmaster.

Black Black? I love it

I have the same watch and I always get looks because of its presence. Even non-watch people ask me what kind of watch I am wearing :O

I have the same sub and to be honest with you I’m not impressed definitely omega cuz the finish of the swatch is flawless

Of course you would, Omega just can't be the everyday and do everything watch that a Sub is.

just got the blue one today it’s such a beautiful watch. the sea master . if the sub was more accessible il own one one day.

Do you ever feel like you get bored of the 116610LN? It's a great iconic watch and wears fantastic but also feels so boring.

@@steelsteez6118 Sorry, I've only just seen your reply, six months later. Yes I do think the Sub is a bit classic / boring and the Seamaster is a more modern / exciting watch. Even after six months of my original post I'm wearing the Seamaster today and my Sub spends most of it's time in the box.

​@@steelsteez6118 I have the same watch 116610LN. I find it super versatile and classic, not even close to boring.

Agreed :)

Wins at what, the sub is the most iconic sports diver watch ever, is much more of an everyday do everything watch and value retention is just not even close. So wins at what?

Then you need a Planet Ocean. That is next level and smashes the Rolex.

That's why the bracelet topic wasn't on the table.

Right. I like the looks of the rubber but I tried it on both rubber and bracelet and the seamaster 300m bracelets gives it a stunning presence. I makes it look higher up. It would be nice to see the comparison also involving bracelets. I never tried the sub on my wrist.

I prefer this battle with Rubber straps. If it was with the bracelet, the Seamaster would have lost. Oyster is just the most comfortable bracelet ever. Tapering is the key. Seamaster is 21mm all the way.. too clunky…

@@zjhongolez The new Seamaster 300m bracelet can be adjusted so easily it is a breeze to wear. It looks great on that watch. There is a reason the Sub doesn't come in a rubber strap.

Couldn’t agree more.

The 300SMP has stood the test of time, my 2265.80 is a beast, the wave 🌊 dial is fire 🔥

Both watches coexisted at the same time. New Sub is even better, so…

And a Omega Seamster 300 Chronograph.....still love both but I should have bought the Omega Speedmaster instead......My heart belongs to my Submariner...

My refusal to play the Rolex game is the reason I bought Omega and even with Omega's elimination of discounts I offered to pay cash, so the jeweler would not incur the dealer's service charge, then when I asked they gave me a 10% discount.

if prices and availability were the same then Rolex will lose its edge because Omega is obviously the better-engineered watch between the two. The only thing going on for Rolex is hype

Fatigue of Rolex being the standard for sports watches? Go ahead and get an Omega and see what happens when you try to get rid of it.

@@rafaeloliva6425 Hi Rafael, I guess the obvious answer is if the watch is that good, why would I sell it? This comment is over a year old. The fatigue I guess came from the hype, the alleged AD games, Rolex corporate deciding to drop mom and pop ADs (stores that help build their company). But, putting all that aside, I've come to realize I'm just not a Rolex guy. They are fantastic watches, but they are just not for me. I've had two and sold them both. Im too old to buy a watch I don't care for because it has good resale value. I hope you wear yours in good health.

@scottlalonde2878 Thanks for your kind wishes, I enjoy discussing watches with others aficionados, and you made good valid points.Enjoy your timepieces in good health as well.

@@scottlalonde2878 👍

not with the new case.... the pre maxi case was classier, elegant and sofisticated.

Maybe. Though the latest 41mm sizing replaces the maxi with slightly thinner lugs so the case appears less bulky.

That makes sense SMP man and sub boy. SMP after all is often claimed to be 'too big'

Not really; this SM should be compared to the current gen Sub, just as the last gen Sub smoked the previous gen SM 300. The coaxial is impressive but the current gen Rolex movements are better imo: more accurate, longer PR by far (50 vs 70), longer service intervals (5 - 8 vs 10). And they’re both antimagnetic, though Rolex doesn’t give stats except to say it’s ‘impervious’. And the Sub does it all without sacrificing beat rate like the coaxial does. Both fine movements, but I prefer the Rolex 32XX movements. I own both.

@@gfxdaddy Seamaster has a better movement and is a better watch in every single way

@@gfxdaddy I'll quantify it for you. The accuracy and power reserve are somewhat linked and results often mentioned in comment sections are very elementary. The sub has PR of 70hrs but what is conflated is that the watch maintains accuracy for the full PR. In fact the watch will fall out of accuracy long before expiration of PR. What's the point of 70 hrs PR if you have to pull the crown to adjust the time before it stops Both Sub and SMP run from a single mainspring. As a power source this spring will deliver power with exponentially depleting torque. The majority of the explosive power is stored at the end of the springs compression and is thus the depleted very quickly when the spring unwinds. Making the tail end of the spring irrelevant. I have spoken with many watch makers asking how much of the PR is relevant in regards to accuracy. The general opinion I received is that most watches should maintain accuracy for 50% of the PR but it depends greatly on each movement beyond that. It is also relevant to consider accuracy in this case would likely be COSC standard not Superlative or METAS. There are things watch makers can do to extend the accuracy within the PR such as duel barrel PR and mainspring shape. Both Sub and SMP are similar enough here. If we look at accuracy yes Sub is -2 +2 and Omega is just off the mark at 0 +5. However as mentioned above, for what range of the PR can they maintain it. Rolex - well their notorious for secrecy, but they have said too much on their website. They advertise the superlative testing is for 24hrs in a device that replicates real life. In other words, the watch is tested in a watch winder by Rolex. Now I do anticpate that the main spring will still experience depletion, but we don't know by how much. I do at this point wish to speculate though. Replicating a real life day would indicate a period overnight of low movement or static. Let's give benifit of the doubt and go with static. I will speculate the static period is 7 hrs, this is both reasonable and easy mathematically. 7 hrs is 10%. Let's now give more benefit of the doubt and round up to 15% or 10.5hrs. it is highly unlikely the Superlative test subjects the mainspring to anything more than this. So the Sub accuracy is good, but tested over a very narrow PR range. In relation to at what point will it fall out of accuracy, well, I don't know, can it maintain Superlative or COSC beyond 50%. Well again, we don't know as it isn't tested, COSC probably but Superlative, there is a yawn gap to bridge here so I doubt it Omega- these are tested by METAS who are far more transparent. The accuracy rating is 1 second off Rolex. Metas attend the manufacturer and conduct their own test (Third party varied) they specifically test the watch to 70% main spring depletion. So Omega must maintain METAS accuracy for 70% of PR. 70% of 55 hr PR is 38ish hours. This is vastly longer than the Sub. This is also where the PR doesn't look as good, the SMP is maintaining accuracy for a huge chunk of the PR, again something the sub isn't tested to. I will speculate again here that the co axial is the reason for this. The efficiency gains compared to Swiss leaver gives an advantage in torque transfer to the balance wheel allowing greater accuracy throughout the PR. So even though the sub has substantially longer PR. The SMP is still competitive in this argument. There are a lot of unknowns here I know, but the Omega is clearly heavily underrated.

@@gfxdaddy the "better in every way" "superior watch" "king wears the crown" is what lead me to my own research. So many people claim to have identified the better movement through their own experience/testing/opinion. The problem here is both bias and whether any relevant paramaters are being controlled consistently across the testing. I agree that so many people regugitating unverified opinion as facts. It's not enough for me to accept one is better or more accurate, why, what is it that makes it so, how do I know I can trust that opinion. I personally would love to see an independent laboratory compare many different movements in a consistent manner. I don't believe I know enough to call the winner, But I doubt that would ever happen anyway.

@@gfxdaddy your a Rolex fan and that's fine, have at it, their fantastic. But METAS is the better spec. You can say want you want about 'your experience' but the reality is we all have bias. This was my point. I have seen people claim the same from the Omega perspective. Look at what is tested if the spec matters to you, if it doesn't that's fine also. Regardless what magical results you or any Omega only fan claims they have observed, those comments are irrelevant, sample size is small and bias is likely. Rolex don't test their accuracy over much of their PR, how much, I don't know but my reasons for believing it to be small is justified. METAS test their accuracy over a huge chunk of the their PR. This is why METAS is the better spec and why the accuracy is actually better even though the window is bigger. Omega test for accuracy and precision, Rolex don't. I like Rolex but I am cautious of their marketing, they are the best in the business, I suspect there is a reason why the accuracy is not tested over a larger PR range, I suspect it won't be maintained, and the marketing is more important. The reality is I'll probably never know. if I was Rolex, and the movement from Omega had me worried, I would narrow the PR range and chase a narrower accuracy window as well. Not saying this is what has happened, just being open minded about it.

I wanted to compare it with the newer sub, but that one is long gone. Next time :D

You forgot to mention iconic status, much more versatile everyday and every occasion. If you bought the Omega at retail, I'm pretty sure you loss money, which would not happen with the Sub.

@@rafaeloliva6425 the submariner was an under retail watch before and I think it will be again, with the exception of the green model or other hard to get one

@808Stevie That the Submariner may someday become an under retail watch might possibly happen. However, even after the used luxury watch market correction, the stainless Submariner market value is still significantly well above retail But that's conjecture on your part. The fact of the matter is that purchasing a new Omega will lose value the second you walk out your AD'S door. Omega, is not presently and will never be an over retail watch. Rolexes retain their value and are so much easier to sell if you ever wish to do so. The Submariner is and will remain the gold standard for luxury sports watches. That's a fact and not my opinion or conjecture.

:)

You should be able to get couple of hundreds discount from the AD. Or buy SH for a heftier discount :)

Always :)

@@BraveBeaters *commenting while having my precious diver 300m on bracelet as my daily

What's wrong with the smp? It's beefy, but nice :p

@@BraveBeaters The bezel has a weird shape with its "dents", the helium escape valve looks unaesthetic to me, the skeletonized hands are illegible, super weird looking steel bracelet that doesn’t taper, etc. It has an amazing movement, a date at 6 and I really like the materials used, but the design never caught me at all.

@@ToolwatchBoutique If there was a single person capable of contradicting themselves, it’s you. You being by saying how you love the Seamaster before criticising it clearly without any real understanding of the aspects you find negative. The bezel shape is perfectly easy to grip whilst maintaining a design which is clearly different to the Submariner. It’s also in a class of its own whereas the Sub is the most copied watch ever. You’re not very bright are you?

@@IrishScribbler Why so salty? First of all I’ve never said that I „love the Seamaster…“ where exactly? I said that I am more torn towards the brand Omega. Secondly I don’t care about how gRiPpY the bezel is, it’s still hideous. Don’t be so triggered because other people dislike your watch choice, that’s rather childish.

Are you seriously comparing a non water resistant manual winding watch to an in house 100m water resistant Daytona?

Erm... the divers' duel just ended, my friend. You seem a little hot, though, so take your chrono-diver for a relaxing swim.

They are the two most iconic chronographs of course. But the comparison stops here. The build quality, finish, reliability is from another world with the Daytona vs the Speedmaster

@@kls1912 NASA did, look how that worked out🤣🤣🤣🤣.

@@kls1912NASA compared them. The Daytona lost. Not hating on the Rolex, I would take a Daytona over a speedmaster any day. It’s a much more attractive watch. I would also take a yachtmaster over a submariner any day, again, a much more attractive watch. As for the seamaster vs the submariner I would buy a seamaster before the sub. I think both watches are equal. Even in appearance I do not prefer one over the other. So it comes down to price. I can get a watch that is equal to the submariner for half the price.

hehe, defo biased, being an owner, But I think it is a killer watch! Cheers Steve

True, agree :)

Honestly, I like better the maxi case.

If it did then Omega ADs would be as shit as Rolex, beauty about Omega is its available and they are beasts on the wrist