Bart is so full of humility and kindness. I appreciate him so very much. Thank you for hosting him

Great stuff. As a youngster in a 1st Baptist Church, I was subject to an annual event of studying Revelation in church and Sunday school. Our preacher always associated it was current events and national entities. It never felt right to me. So, it's wonderfully refreshing to hear a balanced and historical perspective especially since it makes so much more sense.

Such a great interview! My family lived in North Carolina in 1988 when the rapture prophecy was going around and all my friends were evangelical and believed it. Scary time to be a 10 year old! Thankfully my parents were able to explain to me that it wasn’t real, and they were right. 😂

Bruh, you can't drop these so late. Now I can't go to sleep! lol ;)

“There is no picture, there is no box” - love this!

This episode was great! I think having Bart as a guest really brought out the strengths of both of you.

I once called campings office a few weeks before his date and i pretended to be a small church news reporter and his spokesperson was an ex-marine. Verrry guarded because, obviously he had been dealing with uncomfortable questions from hostile people. I asked him how he came to be involved in the group and his answer was "I'm not the subject of this interview" But after i asked some thoughtful questions without the typical hostility the dude opened up and told me all about his life and how he had verified the calculations himself. I asked him "so what about Jews and Muslims" and his answer was delightful. He said "God chose those he would save from the beginning, and once you're chosen by God there's nothing you can do to overcome that" which I would normally consider to be an ugly theology but because he wasn't saying only those who held HIS beliefs would be saved I actually appreciated this response. Then after he was comfortable i asked "I'm not saying you're wrong, but i have to ask this question...what if it doesn't happen?" And he said "i fully believe it's going to happen and I've checked the calculations myself but if, IF it doesn't happen? Then I'm not sure what to believe or do next. After the interview he told me it was the only positive interview he had given in the last several months. To this day i wonder how hes doing but I've long since forgotten his name.

I am so excited to have found this! Thank you all for doing it. Be safe and may you have great success!

Great interview, just finished The Delusion of Crowds which also looks into cognitive dissonance, also Trust The Plan which explores the phenomena of recent q group

I appreciate so much you numbering the episodes, I am loving them and going in order and it’s easy to know which ones Ive seen and what comes next

Big fan of Bart's scholarship, hope you keep having him back!

as a Jew: THANK YOU SO MUCH for addressing that antisemitism and for debunking the trope of "evil OT god, nice and kind NT god." It means so much to have educated allies out there helping combat harmful tropes.

Two of my favorite people talking to each other! My favorite episode so far. Y’all were much tighter on this one as far as not talking over each other as well. Awesome job!

I found Dan on tik tok and thought I’d check out what else he’s got going on. Love these interviews…I’m always seeking more information and to hear three very intelligent, educated guys have a conversation is a treat for me. Subscribed! Thank you ❤

So terrific to hear people saying out loud the kinds of things I think, and interpreting texts in ways I find rational.

This is marvellous, thank you. I was just rereading The Name of the Rose, and goggling at the surreal weirdness of the Apocalypse stuff, this has been an insight and a joy.

Was wishing and yearning for this collab to happen, didn’t expect to see it so soon. Gonna actually listen to it now, just had to leave this comment, really excited.

I would love to hear more on this topic of Fundamentalist Christians being more children of the Enlightenment than the rest of society. That's really interesting. I am curious about the role of objectivity in the life of a thoughtful person. Bart mentions that people in Academia roll their eyes when they hear the strident objectivity viewpoints of fundamentalists, and I would love to know more in-depth why that is. Great show!

Great sermon. Let's all stand and sing, "You're a Good, Good Father!"

This podcast gets better and better with every episode!!

Dream team episode. Bart, Dan, and Dan. Great to see you guys.

Stunning... thank you. So enjoy your show.

Wow. You guys have really set the bar pretty high with the first 4 episodes. Excellent work and this is fast becoming one of my favourite YT channels on the topic. Great work gents.

Love Bart! I have taken a couple of his online courses and I have learned so much.

What a great episode. I learned so much and it challenged what I’ve been taught in my church. Loved it!

Brilliant show, Drs.

Thanks, I learn every time I hear Dr. Ehrman.

Two of my favorite scholars (of 10-12). Yay!!!!

Found this so enightenning and talking of which the coments about modern evangelicals as a product of enlightenment rationality. Thanks

most of the christians that I know would not see a separation/distinction between the god of the old testament vs the new....they view it as the actions of the same god.

Absolutely fantastic guys, thanks!

Bart and Dan, legendary

Actually, the rapture did happen in September 1988. You guys just didn’t make it. You went to the wrong church! (Me too)

I was a student of ,Harold Camping when I was still a Christian here in Oakland California where I was born and raised. He taught that Jesus was coming back in 88 and when it didn't happen he changed the date of 2011. Little did I know he's source was Edgar C. Whisenant and his books the entire time smh.

"Ehrmageddon!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jesus said something like "I came not to bring peace but a sword, to turn father against son, mother against daughter, mother-in-law agaibst daughter-in-law." Not quite Patmos John's "kill all the pagans", but still also not exactly pure pacifism.

Perhaps a more analogous example than Dr Ehrman's of how people read the Bible would be, that they take selected lines from each of the books in the New York Times, best seller list, put them together to form a narrative, and then claim that's what all of the different authors on the list meant to communicate.

Love this so much as an active, believing Latter-day Saint. It makes me feel so proud to be represented by Dan McLellan like this.

Two Dans and a Bart. 👍

What a fantastic show!

Exceptional segment.

Wonderful interview! I am very much enjoying both the informative nature of this podcast and the host's and scholars' energy! I wish a bit of time had been spent discussing why the centrality of Nero (666). I suppose because he was the first Roman emperor to persecute Christians after the great fire?

Love Dan's questions

A great show! I felt that Bart kind of talked over Dan at times, but overall, it was pretty great. I'd love to see Dan do a full interview with Bart about the various issues he and others have brought up about Bart's recent scholarship. I know the Journeys to Heaven and Hell book had some issues with it.

Left Behind is the new gospel

Excellent. Thanks

Wasn't there some apocalyptic mania in 1000 CE due to the 'day of the lord could be a thousand years'?

24:50 Church leaders did not like the idea that the afterlife was an eternal banquet with lots of wine - Socrates raises the same issue in Plato's _Apology_.

Also, perfect episode title 🤣

I ordered Bart's book that Dan gushed over. Then I thought about the intellect of both Bart and Dan. What was I thinking?

Sadly, I did not know about Ehrman being a professor at UNC when I was undergrad in Chapel Hill ‘90-94, so I didn’t take a course with him. Still one of my regrets.

Loved the episode. Which of Bart Ehrman's books should I read first?

a lot of stuff lifted from Ezekiel as well in Revelation, eating of the scroll, tree of life material etc.

Brilliant

I’ve long heard and agreed with the idea that if you gave someone from antiquity a sci-fi book that they would be completely baffled and have no idea or framework on how to interpret it or read it. But listening to you all talk I had a bit of a brainwave… Sci-fi is rich with made up words where often there is zero explanation or definition given, and the reader is left to decipher what the word means based off of its makeup, spelling, and the context of the ENTIRE book/fictional universe, cultural context of when the book was written, etc. My question is this: do we see that (or something like it) happening in the Bible?

to me it was something to fully & obsessively be obedient to. I gave up my life fully to this

_muy excellente_

It's always an Edgar...

Two of these guys are smart.

I was super Christian, thru a 12 step fellowship- realized the bible told me to believe a crazy story, the other told me to figure it out.

I am troubled by the lack of justification for Ehrman's statement near the end that most people are not saved and even christians aren't saved. Where is that?

What do you think of the hypothesis that the historical Jesus and the historical John the Baptist was the same person?

I’m always torn between thinking Revelation is just horrifying torture porn and thinking it’s really metal, lol. you could take any scene and turn it into an album cover

“People are the grapes” 😂😂 jeeesssuussss Christ 🤦🏼‍♀️ the violence

why are christians so obssessed with the end times?

10:37 this sounds a lot like, what we call in statistics, data mining. So I suggest the term Bible Mining for this behavior. 😀

I'm writing a paper on Joachim right now. I think some of his books should be kept illegal for certain cathegories of people.

I’m an atheist and I’m wondering…Do you guys actually believe in god and the Bible? I can’t imagine you do given your deep study of it and recognition of the obvious flaws, historical inaccuracies, and how ridiculous most (supposed) adherents are, etc. (Update: dude on right just said he is an atheist.)

13:34 2 Peter said that but doesn’t teach the lord will come in 3 days, that in the book of Barnabas dated the time of John. So the lord would arrive 3000ad not 5000ad.

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I agree. The Bible is full of choices. Some connect themselves to a group and let the group make the choices for them, and a few disconnect from all the groups and make the choices themselves.

What’s up with September 23rd? I hear that date all the time from people with prophecies or foresight?????

@43:00. Poof or drown? Poof, or Five months of suffering?

Have you waded into the Mythicism VS Historicity debate at all? Carrier seems to make some good points, but then I don't read ancient Greek. Does it just come down to weighing an ambiguous margin note from 108 BCE against a feather. If the feather is heavier, then we conclude Mythicism is correct?

Is it weird that I come out of this with the thought "Revelations is some dudes violent fanfic"?

Love this podcast. Dan #2 needs a limiter on his mic. No need to be twice as loud as everyone else when making the goofy voices.

Bart? I think you mean Dan Ehrman.

Revelations sounds like some Berserk stuff

Listening to Bart makes me think that Christians simply don’t understand the Bible in the same a child don’t understand WWF wrestling and believe that the fights are real.

Bart says in his videos read the gospels horizontally especially the resurrection stories. I read that book Bart Mentions When Prophecy Fails. Cognitive dissonance is really uncomfortable. .

Истинно говорю вам: не прейдет род сей, как всё сие будет.

The Holy Trinity all together!

"If I as a psychotic cult leader can double down after by bad prediction get more people to agree with me, then I will have been proven right and absolved of crimes" This cognitive strategy seems more and more prevalent in these days.

Do we have any evidence that the writer(s) of Revelation had access to the Gospel accounts, or similar Jesus traditions? Their view seems to be entirely contrary to the standard teachings of Jesus.

The gospels were written as allegory/metaphor and later literalized by Rome. The logos was PERSONIFIED as Isaiah 40:3 is just one of many verses in the hebrew that show where the story went off the rails. The voice calling in the wilderness prepared the way for YHWH (LORD) not another man after him. John according to the gospels was the first christ among many to come with him. Revelation is written also in typology as John states in the opening verses. Meaning its NOT LITERAL.

Awesome guest.

In a court of law if one part of a testimony is known to be a lie than you can throw the whole testimony away. The Bible would be thrown out of court.

Jehovah`s Witnesses 1914 ??

Explain why there are hundreds of variant versions of the Christian bibles none used match the original koine Greek new testament or Hebrew Scripture sources??

Bart seems to have an over-optimistic view of Jesus as only being about love - in the gospels he’s very judgemental, curses whole cities and whips people out of the temple. Perhaps Revelation is picking up on that side of the portrayal.

whats your view of the Jehovah`s Witness stance of The book of Revelation suggesting there organisation is fullfilling the prophecies

Yeah, Jesus doesn’t talk about judgment in the gospels…. 🤷‍♂️

The god of revelation is rather trumpian.

James Douglas Morrison wrote a song about the end don't ask these educated idiots.....just joking😂

Babble fun fools gold stoned I AM all things walking asleep tales. You need better time coach Neville Goddard won super ball games all I AM.

The only explanation for the book of revelation is that the author was on mushrooms.

There are only so many components to the Bible. The Bible isn't simply a collection of separate books. All of the books are built upon the same components. Elements are built upon, expanded on, and the previous written components are expounded upon. Take the warth of the Lamb, for instance. If he comes for blood, as Bart notes, will you see the Lamb, or Beast? The Beast represents the Lamb, from another perspective. There is only one day of wrath, stored up in his storehouse Due 32:34. It is first noted as Adam wielding the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life. It takes place at the end of the ages, as the sacrifice of him who did not know sin, Adam, being made to be sin. Harking back to Noah treading the winepress of wrath, it is when God will put an end to all mortals on earth and your covenant with death is canceled. While Bart may be correct that some piece quotes together like a puzzle, you would be crucifying Christ over and over since the day of wrath is what makes him to be sin. Christ was born of a woman, born under the law. By his sacrifice, he justifies David, his Father, when he speaks, and vindicates him in his sentence when he condemns. The crucifixion is imagery for the Sacrifice and Resurrection, two appearances within the same generation, at the end of the ages. First death, then judgment, after which comes the return, so too Christ. Master of the Demon Sin: If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master. (Gen 4:7 NABO) Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:6-7 NABO) him who is and who was and who is to come (Rev 1:4 NABO) The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO) 'Who will go down into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." (Rom 10:7 NABO) hide us from the face of the one who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come and who can withstand it?" (Rev 6:16-17 NABO) "Who can compare with the beast or who can fight against it?" (Rev 13:4 NABO) Once I was dead, but now I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys to death and the netherworld. (Rev 1:18 NABO) I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been mortally wounded, but this mortal wound was healed. Fascinated, the whole world followed after the beast. (Rev 13:3 NABO) As the Lawless One, with all the power, signs, and wonders at the disposal of falsehood, and seeming to be a part of the workings of Satan, 2Thess 2:9-11, he leads them astray, as if with a bridle in the jaw of the people, on the day of the great slaughter, Is 30:25-28, having been given the power and rule, along with great authority, of The Dragon as the First Beast/ Red Dragon, Rv 13:2. Jesus is the Lawless One in 2Thess 2:8. In the book of Revelation, he is the first beast whose mortal wound was healed, Rv 13:3, and the second beast that created an image, Rv 13:14, the cross, or Caduceus in honor of the first beast. They are the sacrifice and resurrection, respectively. Or, Isaiah 40:2 and Isaiah 40:3, respectively. The Red Dragon has seven heads and ten horns, Rv 12:3, the same as the first beast, 13:1. When he comes as the first beast, when he comes as a thief, who comes only to slaughter, pillage, and destroy, Jn 10:10, he sets up the Abomination of Desolation, Mk 13:4-19, in himself, the Temple without one stone left standing upon another, Mk 13:2 as the sacrifice of being 'made to be sin'. A thief is the night has come and gone before you wake.

My takeaway is that it is ALL nonsense and a plaque on humanity.

One day Bart Ehrman will realize that Jesus was not an historical person. He used to be a fundamentalist Christian and hopefully one day he will reach total enlightenment and know that all the stories are made up

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