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Episode 5: Where Have All the Subcultures Gone?

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Spiral Scratch

Spiral Scratch

Күн бұрын

A video about subcultures in modern music.
If you have any thoughts on subcultures, feel free to drop them in the comment section below.
(NOTE: This is a commentary video. I only use copyrighted clips and -music to illustrate my points.)
See ya!

Пікірлер: 78
@Protoman2799
@Protoman2799 5 жыл бұрын
I very much enjoyed this outlook. While being a little upset I missed the whole scene of being in a subculture. I really can appreciate the amount of cultural variety we have in our current generation.
@drybrvsh
@drybrvsh 5 жыл бұрын
My only real critique of youth culture being "uploaded" to the net is, imo, it removed some of the cultural sway, and raw political action it was capable of. Media culture, old rich dudes etc will always have the ability to sway conversations on the Internet toward where they'd like the youth to be. And it keeps subcultures, like punk and hip-hop from being able to cordial social and political change by being counter-culture.
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 5 жыл бұрын
That's a great point, but I think that was already a problem before the internet. Back then, MTV, FM radio and music magazines like Spin and Rolling Stone had a huge influence on youth culture and its subcultures, and all those media outlets were also mostly run by old rich people.
@yourbandisabusiness
@yourbandisabusiness 5 жыл бұрын
The subcultures are smaller and are now focused on particular acts or bands. Also, people are part of many more subcultures. For example people who watch Rick and Morty understand all kinds of references and in-jokes that outsiders don't. Some of those R&M are big Twentyone Pilots fans and they have their own subculture. Other R&M fans however might be big fans of Taylor Swift and they don't understand TOP references, they have their own subculture. In short, subcultures are smaller, more fragmented and people are members of many subcultures at once.
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 5 жыл бұрын
I see what you're saying, and though there is kind of a insider/outsider dynamic there, those are just fanbases. I wouldn't consider them subcultures really... Cause being a fan of Rick & Morty is not the kind of 'total package' lifestyle something like Gothic or Punk was back in the day.
@moahawk
@moahawk 5 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't know, i've always been told that my IQ just wasn't high enough to understand the so called 'in-jokes' and or references in these kinds of 'subcultures' and also who the hell is Taylor Swift again? what is this, 2017?
@sloth_e
@sloth_e 2 жыл бұрын
@@spiralscratch1765 fan bases are exactly what makes a subculture.
@lucagrochi7556
@lucagrochi7556 Жыл бұрын
This is an intelligent observation
@Gabber_Hardcore_Terrorist
@Gabber_Hardcore_Terrorist 9 ай бұрын
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@OiSam-ir9me
@OiSam-ir9me 3 жыл бұрын
I remember going from a goth/nu metal kid to a skater and eventually a punk, made friends for life, we didn't have any rules, we liked whatever and never judged anyone for what they liked, it was more of a community thing and having similar interests and mentality. Best times of my life.
@Xul
@Xul Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that pretty much seems to pinpoint the problem of this video: The author doesn't really "get" subcultures and only seems to have read about them. The strong seperation of subcultures may have been the case for a few of them on very opposing ends and especially early. But the "alternative culture" in the 90s basically brought many subcultures on a same level as being different genres while offering a fluid to transition inbetween. Ironically these subcultures were/are a gateway towards individualistic expression against mainstream culture since it makes it easier to start "somewhere" ... And this the BIG difference of the GenZ era: The algorithmically steered consumerism has killed off many routes for actual individualism. It's blandness bred by pseudo individualism. There is no need to "develop" a real expression of yourself within a subculture, so most Zoomers are fine with superficial meming instead of gradually going into depth. I think it's the hardest for actual GenZ kids who want "more" but don't have that huge "playground" of different subcultures ...
@c.s.4428
@c.s.4428 3 жыл бұрын
You are correct: subcultures have dissolved into comics (mainly Japanese) and the internet: anime, manga, cosplay and gaming is all that is left!
@MrKakao77
@MrKakao77 4 жыл бұрын
Metal will never die \m/
@walterkaminski
@walterkaminski 5 жыл бұрын
Another aspect to the disappearance of subculture is in how youth music has been completely de-politicized. Other than maybe “Soundcloud rap” there is no antisocial music today. In the past punk and metal railed against dead end jobs and war. Rap brought afro-centric and black nationalist ideas to millions of kids. Today's only kinda subcultural genre sound cloud rap- has no qualms with consumerism, and material wealth as the ultimate measure of human worth, which is simply to mimic the values of the ruling class. So therefore only antisocial or rebellious in style or some kind of “shock value” but certainly not substance. In fact not only does it embrace the worst elements of capitalism, its one of the last bastions of youth homophobia and sexism. I know those could always be found in subcultures, but in the past most youth subcultural were at least ahead of the progressive curve, not behind it.
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 5 жыл бұрын
I kinda agree with your point about Soundcloud rappers, and them being mostly about shock value instead of actual rebelling, but this is nothing new... Look at 70s hard rock; 80s hair metal; 90s gangsta rap, the list goes on. All these music genres/subcultures were full of materialism, homophobia and sexism, and shock value played a huge part in their image as well. And these days there are a lot of great artists spreading political messages (Idles, Run The Jewels, Parquet Courts), and some of them are really popular (Kendrick Lamar, Brockhampton, Childish Gambino). It may not be the prevailing trend at the moment, but let's be honest: music with a strong political message has never really ruled the charts. For every Rage Against the Machine there were ten Milli Vanilli's
@walterkaminski
@walterkaminski 5 жыл бұрын
@@spiralscratch1765 All good points as well. I would add however, even if much of subcultural music wasn’t overly political, it had an anti-mainstream sensibility which is in a way, a politics. Plenty of rap, metal, and of course punk eschewed corporate major label record companies, for example. Switching from an indie label to a major could decimate your fan base. Even completely unpolitical bands like Metallica refused to make a video for MTV until the 1990s because MTV represented mainstream taste and values. Today’s underground rappers are happy to slap their faces on Sprite and Nike ads. One even gets the feeling that for a lot of them, the music is second, and being a marketable brand is paramount. Subculture cannot thrive in that atmosphere. Kids have no anti-mainstream people to look up to. I get your point about people like Run the Jewels or Parquet Courts. But 2 things: 1) Parquet Courts is nostalgia music that sounds no different than music that could have been made in the 80s or 90s and 2) it doesn’t appeal to youth, I don’t think. Never been to one of their shows, but I’m gonna guess the audience is filled by an over 25 crowd with scarcely a teenager in room. By contrast, the bands they nostalgically copy would have had almost completely under 21 audiences. So even if Parquet Courts and similar bands are on independent labels and have a vaguely subcultural sensibility, they’re nostalgia acts that speak to mostly adults - not youth. Not really the makings of real youth subculture.
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 5 жыл бұрын
I think nostalgia bands like Parquet Courts do appeal to a kind of niche college-age crowd, but you're right, they're definitely not 'the voice of a generation' or anything like that. But I still think there is no shortage of rebellious, 'anti-mainstream' artists with a young fanbase (Death Grips, Denzel Curry, JPEGMAFIA, Noname). You just have to look for it. And that's my whole point: interesting, rebellious youth culture hasn't gone anywhere. It's just not separated into a bunch of different subcultures.
@walterkaminski
@walterkaminski 5 жыл бұрын
@@spiralscratch1765 Death Grips…sure. They would’ve been the 1st people I would have named. Then Die Antowoord. But notice BOTH of those acts are composed of 40 year olds! They are from another generation entirely. Those people grew up in the kind of youth subculture we’re talking about. Denzel Curry is an example I can agree with, kinda. He’s pretty weird and out there, at least visually. Or at least he was. That Clout Cobain song sounds almost like it coulda been made by Jason Derulo to me. Also, even if we can point to odd examples like Denzel, he is an individual artist and does not represent a subculture, I don’t think. I don’t think many kids will listen to this kind of music and decide “Hey I don’t wanna be a bus driver/ factory worker/ accountant like my Dad or all the other people in my town. I wanna live a life of art, poetry, Bohemia, and stay out on the fringes…..live free.” I feel like kids see it as mere entertainment. Music is not something many kids listen to as a life changing thing, in the same way “Little Jenny’s life was saved by Rock n Roll” in the Velvet Underground song. I think kids today consume music the way they consume an entertaining meme. Its mere entertainment. And that’s another reason even the handful of weird rebellious artists out there don’t generate subcultures. People don’t see them as shamans and prophets the way they saw the Grateful Dead or Sex Pistols or something. Also, I forgot to mention I liked your video. Nice work.
@obvioushieidude7668
@obvioushieidude7668 5 жыл бұрын
@@walterkaminski I checked out Parquet Courts, they sound NOTHING like the 80s or 90s. If anything they have more of a late 70s/early punk/post-punk sound.
@LilArrowInkorperated
@LilArrowInkorperated 2 ай бұрын
That static scared the crap out of me. 😂
@Zalazaar
@Zalazaar 3 жыл бұрын
I guess furry culture still survived. Despite of our collective attempts
@bragebjelker2879
@bragebjelker2879 4 жыл бұрын
6:25 that's not quite right tho. Back n the day you didn't really limt youself by "joining" a sub culture. You were simply a part of that sub culture because you loved that music (when we talk about music based sub cultures). And that's not limiting but being hooked on and embracing you taste in music. But when that's said. Another reason why subcultures are slowly disappearing is because many subcultures are simply not "needed" anymore. Take the greasers back in the 50s for example. Back then being a greaser wasn't a thing you necessarily "chose" to be, tho you didn't try to get away from it. It was more like a lifestyle that many people were living under and therefor became a subculture. But as the world goes on the difference between those who are rich and those who are below average (like the greasers) is becoming smaller. And so there aren't that many people that live in a culture where everyone is a car mechanic and grease their hair etc. When you talk about the internet help creating and evolving subcultures I would say that yes, to a certain extent it does. But in general it shortens the line between people and their lifestyles (which is what subcultures are based on). When everyone can just go on the internet and make their own musical "career" it actually destroys the music world and (music based9 subcultures with it. Because instead of having a smaller portion of handpicked musicians that each would "lead" their own culture, we instead get way to many "people-that-can-make-music" that blends together with each other. And I don't just say this just because I personally listen to 50s Rock n Roll and Doo Wop and wear a leather jacket and pomp my hair with grease. I say this because it really is a big part of it. Maybe for the better maybe for the worse. But as it is today subcultures are dying out because the spread online. You aren't really a part of a subculture anymore you are just part of the internet, where every single subculture is.
@tylera5598
@tylera5598 Жыл бұрын
I'm a teen rn and I have a love hate relationship with the current youth culture. I think its really cool that we have more variety, acceptance and access to things like that but I do feel like its missing something physically social. Ive been seeing a big turn in younger people recently against internet use too so maybe that's where it's actually going
@celestialvoyager82
@celestialvoyager82 2 жыл бұрын
Being part of a subcultures felt great, it was like being part of a tribe and you could identify a member of a each tribe by the way they dressed or what music they listened to. Sometimes the tribes would go to war, but sometimes the different tribes united and something beautiful happened like a collision of color and darkness. Nowadays all youths look the same to me, lifeless and dull but unfortunately i fear that just like the generations before me I will never understand the ones that come after me, and I won't pretend to either.
4 жыл бұрын
last who survive is hooligans subculture , the subculture of stadium hooligans is the oldest in Poland during the war under German occupation fans of two different football teams fought each other under the command of the Gestapo this is a real subculture, a subculture that lasts and is as old as football
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 4 жыл бұрын
Football hooligans are definitely a subculture, but I wouldn't really consider it a subculture within youth culture... It's a very mixed crowd in terms of age and they don't really listen to a particular style of music. But again, I'm thinking more of youth-driven, music-oriented subcultures. If we're talking about general subcultures, then yeah, football hooligans are definitely fit the bill.
@soozisongbyrd
@soozisongbyrd 4 жыл бұрын
Cool docu... subcultures started way back in the 1800s though, look at The Scuttlers in Manchester. No real mention of The Teddy Boys, The Mods, The Rockers, The New Romantics or The Casuals, which is a shame as these were huge in The UK. I personally love British Subculture as my home town is one of the original Northern Soul locations in the UK and for me it's a shame that people have all become the same in my opinion. Uniform isn't for me. Homogenisation across the scenes and nations isn't necessarily a good thing. Also, lets not forget that many of these subcultures were a fusion of English and Jamaican cultures, including the skins who are not the paint spraying, racists that many portray. For me, blending all cultures and genres into one big beige soup isn't progress. If you like everything, it's diluted to having no real passion towards anything. It's good to be eclectic of course, but otherwise it's too uniform, conformist and feels quite driven by corporations, social media and celebrity. Individuals are far more interesting.
@Evanrolfe
@Evanrolfe 3 жыл бұрын
sub-cultures are just uniformity on a different scale.
@GreenCocanix
@GreenCocanix 4 жыл бұрын
Where are all the casuals at
@freethinker76
@freethinker76 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest subculture is the Free-thinking community. The left and right. Subculture exist. Just not in a type of music sense anymore, but political.
@kikaihichem
@kikaihichem 3 жыл бұрын
I think this video completely misses the point of subculture
@GreenCocanix
@GreenCocanix 4 жыл бұрын
Casuals scene is carry on
@hyperislandamericas782
@hyperislandamericas782 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! Could you be so nice and allow automatic subtitles? (this would help non-english speakers to understand the video, and could then increase your views). Thanks in advance.
@whenyourerightyoureright
@whenyourerightyoureright 6 ай бұрын
There's a guy who makes a bunch of videos about the idea of being "polyjamorous" and I love it. It of course refers to having no problem filling your playlists with whatever music you like regardless of genre and the attitude behind that. I think it's so pathetic when ppl get so weirdly triggered when someone gets passed the aux and starts playing a bunch of unrelated music, like its bizarre how ppl start sweating, especially gen xers I find. Like its a physical reaction and they often try to make it stop at all costs, it is wild, and super freaking annoying and boring
@marksantosLbC
@marksantosLbC 3 жыл бұрын
What was great about finding your tribe, was actually meeting like-minded people with the same musical and fashion interest in real time, the present. Actually going outside looking for records and going out to shows. Searching for that Fred Perry at the second hand store. No "Cancel Culture" just because you disagree with someone else's views. You hung out with anyone that was cool. They didn't have to be participating in your subculture. If you disagree with someone, you fought.
@dennisdepner5578
@dennisdepner5578 3 жыл бұрын
Great video👍 it would be cool if you made more!
@Xanaduum
@Xanaduum Жыл бұрын
Subcultures are less obvious before they become mainstream. You have to go look for them still like the old days, just because something isn't all over the internet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Emo, goth and punk etc, etc, etc aren't really alternative anymore they've been co-opted by mainstream media, look at the adverts on TV involving old famous punk rockers selling butter, or listen to Nirvana played over the supermarket speakers. The stuff that's alt now most people won't be aware of until later if it becomes a more widespread thing. Also, people might not like it, and it might not be PC, but tribal psychology involves a lot of exclusion too, in part a tribe is defined as much by what it doesn't include as by what it does. This goes for any sort of tribe, not just subcultures.
@lailapop4
@lailapop4 2 жыл бұрын
This is art
@MovieGuy666
@MovieGuy666 2 жыл бұрын
Many people listened to many genres of music back in the day, none of my metalhead friends cared that i liked Funk. My Punk friends didn't care if i liked metal, My friends that listened to rap did not care if i listened to classic country..
@hking1009
@hking1009 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes more freedom means less creativity. You may be more free to explore and blend styles from other subcultures, but without the foundations laid out to develop those subcultures to begin with you will never see another new one, just constant rehashing of shit we’ve seen a thousand times. Limiting yourself within a specific culture within reason is actually conducive to creating art that transcends that subculture. Without any specific subculture to focus on and transcend music will sound like a detached parody of other subcultures. We can all play dress up and pretend like we’re a part of some faction of society, but if there are no clear subcultures to align with we’re just live action role playing. You will never again see a band like Nirvana that develops within a specific subculture and then proceeds to let the whole world have a glimpse into the local music scene in Seattle. You can say it’s a good thing that we have no more subcultures if it makes you feel intelligent, but be prepared to say goodbye to art that is totally original. Obviously originality still exists because people will always be creative and nothing comes from a vacuum, I’m just saying it won’t have the same level of purity without the limitations of a specific subculture and that’s a legitimate consequence if art is even remotely interesting to you. But to a lot of people it’s just a form of entertainment and distraction so it would be silly for me to actually expect everyone to care. As a result of the internet it’s more financially viable and socially incentivized to produce high quality content as opposed to art, since everyone feels like they have a chance to blow up. Sometimes a healthy dose of alienation and social isolation brings out the most beautiful intangible aspects of humanity that can’t exist in this hyper-socialized culture-fluid paradigm where anyone can be anything because nothing is real. But what do I know I’m just a dumb zoomer who wishes I could identify with a specific group of people instead of just being a guy who likes music. Of course individuality is important, but I think a sense of belonging is also important
@misterm5325
@misterm5325 2 жыл бұрын
Today I think about is how silly it all was. We all missed out on bonds and connections with folks that would have been made if it wasn't for the "subcultures" and music preferences that were sold to all of us by the mega corporations.
@Sept1973
@Sept1973 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you covering this topic because i grew up with subcultures & enjoy the different subcultures that existed - i don’t agree with your arrogance with your narrative towards the end of the video - subcultures are interesting & unify different diverse groups of people. No ones whining except you in your voiceover. If everyone has no identity then thats why the youth of today are boring as batshit & most have no idea what a subculture is - when was the last time you have seen a goth or a mod or a skinhead walking down a city street ? Everyone today is just so lame.
@sir420rawrdank8
@sir420rawrdank8 5 жыл бұрын
Deze kerel is gewoon nederlands dubbel nice
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 5 жыл бұрын
Haha mooi dit
@samirfarah640
@samirfarah640 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@sir420rawrdank8
@sir420rawrdank8 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@mr.lincoln2753
@mr.lincoln2753 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I get what you’re saying
@lilpoisondart
@lilpoisondart 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Vid
@Paul-po1wo
@Paul-po1wo 4 жыл бұрын
The subcultures didn’t go anywhere they are still around just not as big
@zeva66
@zeva66 Жыл бұрын
Youngsters look BORING today . I'm 57 with tattooed face, piercings and punk hairstyle and DIY clothes and i get SICK of NOT seeing enough crazy styled ppl around me.
@Hoffi22021979
@Hoffi22021979 3 жыл бұрын
Sry but even if you "study" the internet for years you wont be "in" any subculture or part of it, subcultures arent just about the style, its about to go to concerts and meet people from everywhere with the same taste of music and style and maybe the sight how the world is turning. Your not a punk cause you got colored hair or a skin if you just got cropped hair you have to live , breath and grow up in it to have a idea what it means to be part of it. And btw. your not a rebel because you buy some Dr. Martens made in asia that fell of your feet after 2 years. Subcultures can give you a feeling of strength, freedom and being alive and not one of the zombies that follow every stupid trend and staring at there mobiles hoping that the last selfie, made some other zombies give you a thumbs up or a abo. You can listen to the songs and read some stories but you wont feel it if you dont live it.
@viru_zzsquad7355
@viru_zzsquad7355 2 жыл бұрын
woehoeeee, nederlanderssss
@mia-rosekeep3746
@mia-rosekeep3746 3 жыл бұрын
would it be possible to know your name as i want to use this is an essay and need the authors name
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah sure, it's Illés Plompen
@cindigonzalez7350
@cindigonzalez7350 4 жыл бұрын
Is that the stone roses?...also, I saw an old clip where this guy was saying how in a way it was better and more diverse when older ppl were in the music industry...because they didn't know exactly what would and wouldn't be cool to kids.....so they actually let alot of weird outlandish bands get a spotlight. It atleast evened out the playing field whereas now (though u can find things on the internet...u wont be hearing anything amazing playing on the top 40 charts...mostly shitheads like Taylor Swift) Also, as a goth we NEVER say you have to limit ur musical tastes...we just want ppl to KNOW goth music if u want to call urself that. So, talking about punk (which is one subculture) doesn't completely prove ur point. Punks also had radical political point of views...whereas goth (which came from punk) is apolitical.
@spiralscratch1765
@spiralscratch1765 4 жыл бұрын
First, I think the idea that the music industry just 'didn't know what would be cool to the kids' back in the 60s, 70s or whatever decade this guy was referencing, is a little simplistic. Fabricated pop has existed for YEARS, just look up stuff from the brill building- or tin pan alley era. Second, wouldn't you say there's certain music that's kind of taboo, or at least very uncool to like if you consider yourself a goth? Top 40 music like Taylor Swift for example... Maybe goths aren't as agressive about it as a subculture like punk, but the limiting factor is still there if you ask me. But hey, maybe you've had a totally different experience growing up, I can't speak on that. P.S. yes, I love the Stone Roses
@karstvanhelmond2838
@karstvanhelmond2838 4 жыл бұрын
Je kan wel nog steeds zien aan chicks wanneer ze Tyler luisteren vanaf Flower Boy dus dat is een subculture
@sloth_e
@sloth_e 2 жыл бұрын
The negatives you talk about ate really only tiny factions within subcultures. The pretentious wankers are only ever 1% of a subculture. And as evidenced by the evolutions in subcultures that's so well documented you can see noone was limited to the bounds of thier subcultures as everyone grew and changed and evolved. You keep one of your eras amd subcultures close to heart as it's usually the one of your formative years when you remember being young n dumb and doing crazy shit with like minded mates. It's very deeply instinctual aswell. A deep rooted part of human nature that's taken many different guises through history. There's still metal subcultures, hip hop and rap subcultures, racial and religious subcultures. And the worlds longest running subcultures...country/rural/cowboy and esp the working class trouble making, disenfranchised petty criminal kid. Each country has an eshay, road man, chav, lad etc. Rich kids are a subculture and listen to generic radio pop etc. There's still tonnes just none with any real class to be remembered like previous generations have.
@Sarah-oq2mc
@Sarah-oq2mc 3 жыл бұрын
Subcultures were mainly represented as separate by the media. Check out free festivals of the 70s and 80s in the UK and the anti-nazi movement. A wonderful melting pot of inspiration, ideas, art and music. This continues today in the hearts of the old and young free spirits. Just like it always has through the ages.
@nrichie8443
@nrichie8443 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad subcultures are dead to be honest nowadays people are more themselves lol
@GreenCocanix
@GreenCocanix 4 жыл бұрын
No subcultures were very good
@lucianocastillo694
@lucianocastillo694 4 жыл бұрын
Nah too many people are the same now, you don’t really feel a sense of identity tbh
@GreenCocanix
@GreenCocanix 4 жыл бұрын
@@lucianocastillo694 yeah true
@Paul-po1wo
@Paul-po1wo 4 жыл бұрын
Im goth and you say subcultures are dead you’re absolutely wrong I know know plenty of other goths , and goths listen to more than just goth music, actually people nowadays are less unique they all listen to rap , and again subcultures are far form dead so you’re wrong
@lucianocastillo694
@lucianocastillo694 4 жыл бұрын
Vampire Bat paul here’s my opinion after 2 months.. People just don’t want to show their personality anymore. They all have their own culture but they’ve lost their soul. 🤷🏽‍♂️
@GothicMod
@GothicMod Жыл бұрын
Political correctness and driving the working class out of most prominent areas killed the youth cult phenomenon, plus the drive toward wall-to-wall blandness, is what killed them.
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