Also as far as the coyote issue goes, since I have been hunting coyotes on a cattle ranch for over 7 years now, the ranch owner is very happy because they have not had a calf killed since I started hunting there. Their neighbor has also not experienced any calf’s being killed either.

I've seen a lot of comments arguing the magic of the 223 and the 5.56mm. I'm sure many have successfully hunted whitetails with those calibers, but find it very suspicious when the evidence they provide, includes statements such as "I've killed hundreds of deer with it, and never lost a deer... they always drop in their tracks..." 🙄

Doug probably needs to check his bullet selection as well, just because that make of bullet works in a 30-06 for deer doesn’t mean it will work in a smaller cartridge.

When the Ruger mini 14s first came out they were stamped .223. I bought 2 w running serial #s. 1 shot 1 moa, the other all over the place. Sent the lousy one back & 2 weeks later it was returned modified w a stainless bull bbl & it put 5 in the same hole. One of the best rifles i ever had. We had 1000s of Water Moccassins in the creek & id spent my days walking that creek killing them & had access to all the farmlands around due to the Rattler & Moccassin problems. Be up all night reloading w a simple lil LEE , one at a time reloading kit. Few years ago read that ALL the Mini 14s from day 1 were chambered 5.56 no matter what was stamped on them. Called Ruger & they verified this. DAMN! I could have bought cases of mil ball rounds dirt cheap back then & saved 1000s of hours of wasted reloading time. Having doubts? Call Ruger & ask them like i did. Have a differnt Mini 14 now, old series 195 w the pencil bbl. Prints .5 @ 100. Good enough for yotes & wolves. Shooting standard mil ball 55 gr FMJ 5.56.

I live in New Zealand and have successfully harvested two sika and one fallow deer with 223 in 62 grain Fusion. The 2nd deer took a number of follow up shots despite being shot well with the first shot. 1st and 3rd dropped pretty quick but no blood trail. Yes they work but no room for error and no blood trail and only for close range. Certainly not my first choice for deer hunting. The 62 grain Fusion however holds together very well so certainly works

The absolute answer is knowing when not to shoot is just as important as knowing when to shoot and that is accomplished by experience.

I have a lot of 223//5.56/wylde/ guns and in various twist rates and in bolt and gas guns. They can all be improved by hand loading. My best guns to just toss whatever ammo in is 1/8 5.56 14" gas gun, 1/7 wylde 18" gas gun, 1/10 223 and 1/7 223 wylde bolt gun. The biggest thing I noticed was the powder sensitivity in cheap ammo that your just going to shoot because it's fun. I live in New Mexico and believe it or not it can go from 30 degrees to 90 degrees in a few hours and that was the main thing that caused problems even with some "better" manufacturers ammo it would blow out primers and also had a bolt gun break a trigger sear. That all being said don't leave your ammo on top of the cab of your pickup at all if it's 110 degrees, and for the debate on this use a wylde 8 9 or 10. Always check to see if your bolt locks in like it should.

I have one neighbor and he is hunter his all life, he is about 70 years old and he shoots I would say at least 20 years out of his Zastava m85 Mini Mauser 5.56 NATO ammo. His rifle is chambered in 223 Rem but I think that he don't know the difference even today between the two "calibers". So I don't know, but I would say that old Mauser all steel action is just enough strong and it just can hold all that pressure without any issues. I am not so smart but I tried that rifle few times and it worked very nice... Nice video Ron as allways 👍

Just reviewed the speer reloading manual #10 from 1979. 223 (5.56) share the same reloading data. Actually identical. No mention of not shooting 556 in a 223. They only mention military brass must be preped before loading.

The TCU's are fire formed from 223/5.56. Great Contender cartridge. Would a neat package, in small (really small) bolt gun.

I'm a little late to the all copper game but find the Hornady CX works very well on whitetail through my .270 Win. Most accurate factory Ammo I've found in the gun as well. Makes good sense to me to avoid lead in our meat for both us and the wildlife.

It's amazing that the information hasn't disseminated. A little bit more completely, The Method used by the military for For measuring pressure is different, so if you use the same method to measure pressure of a 556 and a 223, you end up getting just a few 100 pounds difference as opposed to several 1000 PSI

If you don't eat it and it's not a pest or danger to you,( rattlesnakes, coyotes, feral hogs etc.) don't kill it. It's called ethics.

Elk populations are now being seen in the Blue Ridge Mountains here in the East.

Well done.

The pressures are close enough to be considered the same. They are using two different standards, which use different methods of obtaining the pressure readings. SAAMI uses an indirectly measured reading, while the government requires a direct reading. One standard requires you to drill both the chamber and the case, while SAAMI only needs the chamber drilled. And no one bothered to do any cross testing because the numbers were as close to identical as to make no difference. They only bothered wasting the time and money in the mid-2010s, and it was a waste. Finding a difference of 5k psi may mean something to your mild steel antique black powder musketeers; it means nothing in a smokeless powdered rifle.

I'll never understand the fallacious thought process of people who say "if you don't eat it, you shouldn't hunt it..." why is it okay if I eat it, but if i don't eat it, but I use the hide, skull, antlers, horns, it is wrong? That argument against hunting is asinine.

50gr Varmint Grenade requires 1in10 twist or faster. It's on the box! Try the 36gr, in 1in12 twist they work really well. 3600fps out 26" 223Rem.

Ron, can you make some videos that go beyond ballistics? I believe you are a great person to gain some of your knowledge and experience on hunting in general. For my benefit as a hunter, could you make some videos about finding, stalking, baiting, and processing game? I would be interested in any animals you hunt, but especially white tail deer.

I was kinda against copper bullets just because I thought it was an anti hunting type thing. I work in the lead industry, so there’s the job aspect of it too . But I bought some copper bullets by mistake. lol long story there. But when I used them deer season.WOW !!!! 😮 was I surprised. They worked great . Not going to abandon lead just yet lol . But there is something to how the hold up, and preform.

Ron i live in Pennsylvania every Thanksgiving on the whitetail deer opener the largest deer season in the nation with the most hunters (almost 700,000) fill the woods and shoot thousands and thousands of lead bullets and yet our bald eagle population is currently exploding

22 High power cartridges. The Std 223-224 bullet is 55 grns. Light construction for smaller game or solid/Jacketed military use. But there are 60-75 Grns big game hunting offerings. A hunter should know the dif

Way back in 1974, I had a boss that enjoyed hunting pronghorn with a 38 special. I once witnessed him shoot a buck from quite a distance, 100+ yards. He fired, the buck dropped. I was astonished that he was doing it and even more astonished when the buck dropped. He ordered me to go get the buck. I was fresh out of high school and this was my first job. I didn’t want to get fired. I couldn’t find the buck anywhere once I got there. I found blood and a busted horn, the outer black part.

Copper bullets are fine, but they wear out the rifling faster than a soft lead core bullet. The thin copper jacket has an easier time conforming to the tight bore when it can compress the lead inside.

Ron, you're a smart & eloquent speaker, and I have a great deal of respect for your opinions & knowledge. I've never hunted but recently passed the NRA classes with high marks. Now trying to get into the state specific hunter class for the '24 season. In the early 60's, I was on a canoe trip with my dad. Late afternoon we pulled out to camp in a huge valley and at least a half mile away we saw more than 100 white tails that had come down from the hills to find their dinner. As a 7 year old, I wanted to get one. Hopefully soon I will. Don't have much time left now...

Gun Blue 490 explanes the difference between 223 and 5.56 perfectly. Freebore(distance from the ogive of the bullet to the lands of the barrel) is the answer. This is how they regulate pressure buildup. He also has a video explaning the interchangeability in older Mini 14's stamped 223.

Glass bedding a Ruger American action will require more than good luck.

Arizona has been supplying copper bullets (through vouchers) to deer hunts in Unit 12A for a couple of decades now. Unit 12A is home to the of the last california condors in existence and hundreds of deer gut piles. Several have died due to lead poisoning, due to hunters not using the copper bullets supplied to them.

Hey Ron, how about a cartridge talk? I was looking the other day at the different cartridges that could had in the Savage 99. I was surprised to find a cartridge called the 250-3000. I supped a spinoff of the 257 Roberts but I really enjoy the cartridge talks. Thanks and keep up the great work.

26:13, Ron, I literally laughed out loud at this part, so funny, great job!😄

I hunt hogs and coyotes with Barnes 150TTSX out of a 24" 1-10 twist barrel. Excellent accuracy. And never had a hog walk on me. Boiler room shot and DRT. Up to a 250# old boar with heavy armor. KALIFORNY forced me to copper. Just had to test and learn. You put in the work and you get the results. I no longer live in KALIFORNY, but if I get back to hunting in my new local, I will use those 150TTSX rounds. Got a bunch loaded.

I have had several 22-250 rifles and none of the things liked the lighter (40-42gr) bullets. In saying that a part of the problem could have been my desires to go above 4000fps. Every rifle preferred 50-55 gr bullets.

Well that was a fun podcast to watch. Plenty of opinions.

The lighter 5.56 bullets are usually still fairly long they are just lighter due to a steel core for penetration.

The 222 is the parent 223 is the first military catridge prior to NATO STANDARDIZATION and during the VIETNAM WAR 🇻🇳 👌 pre M16A2 During NATO adoption SAMI folks said hold on 223 must be listed separately than 5.56 due to variation in grain size primer composition and pressure tolerances greater than 10% Plus P standards thus 222 223 5.56. That's the story from the Military 🪖 perspective.

The 5.56 having higher pressure than the .223 becomes a problem in semi auto / full auto rifles and machine guns because of bolt velocity the higher the pressure the harder and faster the action is cycling witch will put increased wear and tear on the action. If it’s something like the older mini 14 this could crack the back of the receiver or break it off. The m1 grand shooting modern higher pressure 30-06 can and has bent op rods and broken receivers do to increase in bolt velocity.

I was familiar with the predator control program instituted by the Sheep and Goat Raisers Association back in the 60’s and 70’s … With vigorous hunting , trapping and poisoning … the population was reduced to almost nothing in some areas . Coyotes being some of the last holdouts , but they were pretty much wiped out by the late 70’s . Only now , in the 2000’s , as the stock has decreased ,and ( the world market undercut local prices …) is the natural predators returning … Nobody is hiring contract trappers , paying bounties for ears or buying furs . Bobcat , coyotes and even mountain lions are being seen in places they were exterminated from decades ago . In areas where the prey ( sheep and goats ) species has been drastically REDUCED …

In Arizona we had areas that lead shot and lead bullets were restricted, area around Vermillion Cliffs where Condors roosted, they found that the egg shells where thinning do to lead being ingested by the condors. Same with the area Eagles. Water fowl hunting is restricted by the federal government to steel or bismuth shot. In my state Elk was hunted to extinction and later Merriam's Elk was introduced back into the state, now the Elk have become prolific and are starting to effect the dear population since they are both browsers but elk can reach higher up on scarce food on the trees in the harsher winter months.

When they ban windmills constructed in the paths of migrating birds, I will start caring about the toxic effects of bullet composition.

Everyone wants to argue about this cartridge vs that cartridge when all that matters is the projectile.

Not coyotes but hogs. I read a report once from one of the Western states, like Colorado I think, that found with wild hogs that introducing hunters just spread them out. They’d spread far and wide, to new areas with more food etc. They argued that to reduce the population it needed to be done by the state and concentrated to a few areas. I don’t know if it was “real” or just anti-hunting propaganda though.

a shit load of deer been downed with a 22 lr, if your a piss poor shot which people are not going to admit you could use a 30-06 and it wouldnt be enough gun.

223Rem does very well with Springbuck in South Africa. Shot placement and a good hunting, not varmint, bullet is key.

I find so much wrong information on the 223 vs 556 its disgusting. Ppl act all smart spewing wrong information

Eons ago, the local gunsmith said I was ok shooting 55 gr 5.56 in my 223 but nothing heavier. I'm still around, so is that gun.

Another terminal ballistic characteristic of "solid" bullets and, to an interesting extent, Full-Metal Jacketed bullets id that they often "tumble on impact. Thus they cut a wound track that starts a little way into the game and, instead of "bulldozing" through the vitals, "buzz-saws" through. I have successfully brought down Red deer with bullets like the Sierra 155gn Match Kings. Part of my "game" with hunting hat-racks, is to see how close I can get before delivering the goods, but that's just me and my basic .308Win. The classic examples of seriously-engineered military rifle bullets are the Swiss 7.5 x 55 GP-11 bullet and the .303 British Mk 7 projectile. The latter is a flat-based, composite-cored bullet and is BASE-heavy. It is, because of that first feature, long for weight. All perfectly within the "laws of gentlemanly warfare", but the marginal stability means that it starts to "wobble" as it transitions into a "meaty" target. Hydrostatic shock and blood-loss does the rest. It is NOT a consistent "performer, however. Hence,the development of purpose-designed "mushrooming" bullets for humane hunting.. Thus to the interest in "monolithic" bullets to do the job and to reduce lead "proliferation". Copper bullets of conventional profile are, as you mentioned, LONG. Mr. Greenhill long ago quantified the links between bullet LENGTH and its required spin rate.. LONGER bullets need to be spun FASTER to stabilize in flight. SPIN rate is determined by muzzle velocity in combination with the rifling twist rate. Hence the extremely fast-twist rifling required to stabilize 220gn .30 cal bullets at SUBSONIC velocities in the .300 Blackout. 1:8" being a good start, whereas the same bullet launched at near 3000 fps from a suitable magnum case, will get the correct spin in a 1: 12" twist. For any given twist-rate, the higher the MV, the faster the actual spin rotational rate will be. Messing around with lathe-turned BRASS bullets clearly showed the need for a design that was essentially a "bore-rider" with a driving band like an artillery shell. Pure copper is "softer" than brass but still not as "compressible" as a lead-cored, jacketed bullet. But that is for serious engineers to tinker with.. Shooting straighter and "realistic" hunting distances will put more meat in the freezer than Texas plinking something two ridges away. Packing out a swag of venison over rough terrain is also pretty harsh on the knees and ankles.

The .223 Remington is not allowed for hunting where I live. Considered to be too small for big game.

The easy way to figure out the .223 and 5.56 differences are barrel length. 5.56 velocities are given in 20” barrels, mill spec, and .223 velocities are given in 24” barrels, SAAMI spec. If you have a 20” A1 or A2 you can test for yourself. A .223 will never have the same velocity as the similar 5.56.

It was spooky! I made Rock Dossi spaghetti and meatballs using 6BR. Retriever must have dropped that grain sack 2-3 times on his way back from two or three hundred yards, he was swinging that sack bashing it against boulders along the way. His eyes held a look of horror when he arrived at my handler.... I call these livers and I've seen few but over tens of thousands of furs they do exist. So yeah, I'm good ( 99.925) or even eager with the accuracy of tbe .222 ...... A mind is a terrible thing to waste - use your head folks!

Well I very strongly disagree agree with you about copper projectiles. I am a coyote hunter and I tried copper projectiles both production ammo and reloading my own in 223 for two years. I have not been able to find or reload copper projectile ammo that is consistent. Groups at 100 yards were never moa. There was always one or two flyers out of 5 consistently. When I did use the best groupers the projectiles would go through the coyotes just like a FMJ. The coyote would just run off and slowly die elsewhere. I would try to track them out to 100 yards but never found one that ran off. The only coyotes that I did recover were the ones that I was able to hit two or three times and then they would drop. So after 2 years of trying I went back to lead and the coyotes went back to dropping with one shot of 223 from 30 to 300 yards. Whenever I comment on this subject I always get those keyboard guys that will type that I don’t know what I’m talking about. The way I see it is I will believe what I see and experience over what some unknown person or computer generated response will text me.

So ron will the 55 grain bullets just be less accurate in a 556 camber over the 223 chamber that is meant for the smaller jump closer to lands than the 556 that's longer for the longer bullets. That it is just going to be more accurate cause of the less jump the bullet has to go through. Hense, why u hear that a rifle is maximized by shooting short or long bullets. And so if all were equal between a 223 and a 556 case and pressure wise they would have a higher velocity in a 556 chamber cause of the jump? Now i know they are not the same as the cases are usually thicker in a 556 and the pressures are usually higher than the 223. The only thing i dont understand is why was the 556 chamber made originally like this as it was the same 1 12 twist and meant to shoot the 55 grain bullets. Then they went to a slower twist but chamber never got longer it always was. So was that jump initially for higher velocity kinda like wheatherby did?

F-Class F/TR requires a 308 or 223.

Natural balance is the key to the survival of humanity and the natural environment!!! Yes - the fastest twist rate causes increased chamber pressure, but now there are new hardened barrel materials and steel processing technology, and our lives are too short to waste it at slower twist rates 😁

So what's the dif with 22wild ?

If you have hunted long enough, and observed, there are Ups and downs in the population of game and predators. When the population of rabbits explode, the population of foxes and else predators increase. Eventualy a plage kills the over population of rabbits(natural) and soon predators also disapear. Nature knows how to balance it. If you got nuisance predators take them out

28:28 is it not also because they use entirely different pressure reading methods between saami and NATO

Let's take your 223 556 questions have and separate them a little bit. First and foremost, the dimensions of a 223 and a 5.56 are well within each other's tolerances. So there is no external dimensional difference between a 223 and a 556 cartridge. The difference is in the free bore on a 556. And considering there's almost no rifles out there truly chambered in an actual 223 chamber unless you specify that. The only Ruger Mini-14 they ever built with a 223 chamber, was the target version because a shorter free bore will generally be a little bit more accurate. But that doesn't mean a 556 will not fire in that gun because the proof load that they test those Firearms to and 223 outstrips the pressure of a 556 all day long. There is an issue when you start tightening the twist of the barrel. Shoot a watermelon or cantaloupe on a table with a 55 grain bullet with a 1 and 12 twist and it will come at you and fall off the table as it comes towards you. The bullet is very unstable and loses stability when you get past about 200 yards. The bullet was only made to be fired within 200 yards. Check Gene stoner. He designed that specific bullet and rifle to be a security device or for Close quarters engagements. It has not got any tactical penetrating value. It produces Wicked wounds inside of 200 yards. And it isn't going to matter whether the bullets going 3,000 - 3,100 ft per second as in 223 or going 33 - 3,400 ft per second in a 556 the animal is going to know. But when you stick completely stabilize that bullet it is not nearly as unstable period it does not have the same wounding characteristics as it did when it was firing even out of a 1 and 10 twist. The pressure difference between the two cartridges is not a major factor. The reason that the cartridges seemed wildly different, is that the military test chamber pressure at the neck of the cartridge, not at the side of the main cartridge body appears to be a major factor is because military tests the pressure at a different point. At the neck of the cartridge instead of the side of the cartridge body. And they were testing the round and the gun from 1962 and 1963, that's why it was in the car right behind President Kennedy and was used to shoot him in the back of the head, possibly by accident. But if you read the autopsy report the bullet that hit him in back of the head left a 6 mm hole. And I don't care who you are you're not shooting a 6.5 mm bullet through a 6 mm hole and somebody's skull. And if that bullet had come from the school Book Depository it would have exited his left eye. As I said, almost all 223 rifles actually have a long enough chamber to handle the 556. People please quit arguing over this horse manure. Ruger put 223 on the side of his rifles because he didn't want to put the military designation, but they were all chambered for 556. And I haven't seen more than a couple of other rifles ever in my life that were actually chambered in 223 regardless of the marking.

Same-size copper bullets are LIGHTER and therefore will shoot lighter and flatter and faster, all else being equal. Sure, there's still a lot of engineering to do, but speed kills much better than mass does,if you get the same energy transfer effectiveness.

I'm sorry that lead is coming from

There is no right answer about that conundrum, because somebody is always going to holler about it.

Speaking on petro clothing I have never seen Ron s in his loin cloth!

Pellet rifle hunters handle lead their entire lives AND FAR MORE THAN ANY HUNTER without ill effect. What are these researcher friends of yours doing...EATING IT!

heck yeah ron! killin it as always! (see what i did there)

The problem I have with copper bullets is a good number of them are not particularly well made. They're usually not of the right temper, so they do not deform to the necessary performance level. Read bullets do tend to produce a better performance because they are intrinsically heavier it is hard to get a copper bullet of the right density because in order to get a proper ballistic coefficient you now have to get a bullet that is much longer. Which invades the powder charge and therefore you aren't getting the performance necessary to make the projectile work properly considering the fact that the actual issues of lead contamination is not enough to be a problem, we even have now where you have the point of the EPA forcing General Motors about a year or so ago to recall the Camaros because their brakes had too much copper now I have no concept of how many Camaros are being driven into the rivers. But I would think that you would tell people that not to drive their cars in the river. Aside from that copper is a natural antibacterial which is why we hope to have copper pipes in your home, rather than plastic pipes, because it doesn't matter how you treat the plastic, it has a health side effect. Like not having an antibacterial element to its primary makeup. I do have an issue with people who think that they're going to shoot an elk at 700 yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor and it's going to be more effective than a 300 magnum. Anybody shooting an animal Beyond about 300 yd. Many people can't even shoot that far. Are idiots. Because you cannot get clean kills at such ranges at a reasonable enough basis in order for this to be a viable hunting technique. I also believe that there is another component in this lead contamination concept that people aren't understanding. I don't know where it's coming from, but the number of birds that are being poisoned by Karen carrying microscopic pieces of lead is probably slim, to the point of not being a true issue. But that is only my opinion, but I have been studying many of the applicable Sciences for quite some time. After speaking with people who have been in the hunting job for decades, that partition bullet and where the nose of the bullet expands and the rear of the bullet punches through. I have found a lot and I do mean a large percentage of people who find that that bullet the front half does explode quite rapidly, it does not put the animal down and that bass goes completely through and they still lose the animal. And it happens at a high enough number where they don't even seem to be sure whether they actually hit the animal. But the animal goes off in either dies, or survives for some other Hunter to kill or to eventually die of natural causes it is a bad design. It does exactly what they claim it does, except for the fact that it is not fatal to the animal. That is not a clean kill that is just torture.

Pressures are measured at different points, resulting in you would guess, different pressures. Theyre the same pressure. Ppl love to say 556 is hotter than 223 although reloaders know, FPS out of barrel is the same

Great rounds IMO

The only SIGNIFICANT difference between a .223 chamber and a 5.56 chamber is the leade, or freebore. If a 5.56 cartridge chambers in your rifle without ramming the ogive of the bullet against the rifling, it's safe to shoot. I've looked hard and I've never found a case of a .223 rifle being damaged by firing a 5.56 cartridge. The worst I've been able to find was one that was hard to chamber. The shooter decided to eject the round and take a look. The 80 grain bullet was jammed into the rifling and stayed there as the rest of the case was extracted. If it chambers without undue force, a 5.56 is safe to shoot in a .223 rifle. You won't have any problems with bullets 62 grains and under.

I only hunt with a bowie knife. I sit in a tree and wait for a bear. Then I drop down and fight. I only have one Legg now so it's not easy....

You don’t want to use 5.56 for international competitions, lots of places ban civilian ownership of military chambered weapons. Maybe you don’t go to those countries but it seems like it would be best to just avoid that potential problem.

Mr Spomer what is you opinion of the wild hog population or do you think that the same as the coyote population ?

.223 STICK POWDER _ 5.56 BALL POWDER 😂

Would hate to be reduced to defending myself in a bear attack with a knife.I live in the Appalachian Mountains of Virginia..we only have the black bears...Bear attacks are extremely rare.. Glad we don't have that brown bear here.

Thomson center contender 223 will not work with a 5.56 it will not lock with. Using the same 55 grain bullets. Eck usmc

Why don't you get a 223 remmer and a 5.56 remmer and compair them and show the difference.

There are many chemical types of lead (lead carbonate, lead dioxide, etc) and attributing “lead” toxicity in birds to bullets is foolish. Lead toxicity does exist and lead toxicity in some birds does exist. And with that said the industries responsible for certain types of lead toxicity in bird habitat will remain hidden. And hunters take blame. According to some news sources condors still test positive for lead (not what type of lead just “lead”) in California. A copper bullet state.

.223vs5.56 lol I am a hack at all things shooting and reloading. If the bolt locks up and it will hit what I intend, down the pipe it goes. I bet half the bench rest shooters are shooting out of spec ammo what ever proves to be the best accuracy is what goes down the pipe. For a hand gun analogy nobody blinks at +p +p+ or Buffalo Bore mag loads and the like for oh I don't know 4570 some of which double pressures or won't even chamber in some riffles.

Argentina, after over a hundred years of unrestricted use of lead shot, has a serious lead poisoning isssue in many of its wetlands and water sheds. We are talking tons or hundreds of tons of lead in a single area, levels of lead. Think about a shot gun shell, with an average say 1 ounce per shot. Now multiple that by 100 years of hunting in a particular area. That is a lot of lead. Often one hunter would fire 100+ shells in a day.

Both of my sone killed their first deer with a 223, 50 yds.

I want a hat like that. What is it called?

It's my understanding that if you take either of those calibers and you have the same weight bullet fired out of the exact same barrel... You might get a few hundred feet per second at most faster with the 5.56 then you will with the 223. And let's face it... Damn nearly no one almost 100% of the people reading this right now are not capable of shooting far enough where that few hundred feet per second and flatter trajectory is going to make a difference. If it isn't going to punch through armor with a 5.56 then it's not going to do it with a 223 and vice versa. And the 223 is generally cheaper than the 5.56 is. There you go there's the simplified most dumbed down version of it that I can think of.

People really should stop eating the lead paint. Acrylic tastes better anyways.

29:21' ha!(I am 9 years old)

Birds of pray are hunters not scavengers

5.56 Nato is just .223 Rem +p.

223/556 Takes FORTY FIVE MINUTES???

Hey brother you have to go through the hall of critics before you can get to the Hall of Fame

It's OK, I'm sure you're also "confused" about every other cartridge as well. Fortunately, the Internet brings all those experts right to you to correct ALL of your 'errors'!

223AI = 22-250

While I don't disagree with anything stated about .223/5.56, I prescribe to Ian's POV from forgotten weapons: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y8ydlseSprXPiWg.html Overall, it's nothing to really worry about concerning safety as long as the cartridges and specifically bullet combos aren't outside the norm.

There is so much cross over with 556/223 loads, they are pretty much the same thing. The real difference is the chamber dimensions.

Eat Moose. Wear Wolf............or Coyote if you will.

"They're going to die anyway. Might as well make a shirt." Ron, you realize that your logic here invites scorching criticism. Not that it matters to me, but wouldn't it be better to admit that we kill coyotes because they're an invasive, destructive, opportunistic predator/scavenger that harms the interests of every rural dweller with a couple of chickens and a pet or two?

Use what you want and stop talking about the toxic lead copper in some forms is toxic also.

It just doesn’t matter.