Thank you for the opportunity for letting us come on the show and I look forward to covering more of it on a later date!!

Thank You Mark for having us on! Lots more to cover. I definitely need to work on my on camera cursing. It’s almost like having a defiant attitude got me to this point……..

"Don't try to prove them all wrong, just try to prove yourself right." That is sage advice indeed.

his story about why he left his wife, so she could have the experiences a 17 year old kid deserves, is so beautiful. to have that insight at such a young age is inspiring and heartwarming. good for these brothers

I've been a professional driver for more than 10 years and just wanted to tell McKay i'm proud of him getting his CDL.

Im glad these brothers got out of that cult. Lyndon was a free thinker and put that spark in his brother McKay

I lived in Utah for 45 years… as crazy as all this is, I’m not shocked by any of these stories. These guys tell the truth.

Having left the regular Mormon church years ago, i feel like we (my wife and I) escaped a crazy world. I can't imagine the $h!t that these guys have gone through to get where they are. Keep moving forward and dont look back!

You can tell from Lyndons facial expressions just how disgusted he is by some of McKays stories of the church. What a "blessing" that his intuition and brain served him right since a small child. He always was a free thinker and knew what was happening was wrong. I can only hope there are more children like this that know right from wrong despite the preachings of the church.

I worked at a place where we hired a lot of young men/boys from these communities. They were ran off by the old men because they were seen as competition by the old men who wanted to keep the girls for themselves. A lot of them had nearly no education and had basically been living on the streets doing whatever to get by and whatever else for relief from all their trauma.

I was married to their oldest brother in the religion. I’m glad they are telling their story, although this is just a small piece of it. I tended Mckay alot when we were still in the religion. Miss those kiddos.

What I find amazing is that this two brothers stay close together. Guys please stay close.

McKay-I’m proud of you getting your CDL liscence. That’s a big accomplishment.

Huge respect to these two courageous brothers. You can feel the strong bond between them and it is wonderful to see that. Best wishes to them.

I was engaged to a member of the Mormon church for five years. I was never welcomed in to the family. This was in the early 80’s. Years later his dad was found guilty of molesting his granddaughter. He was excommunicated from the church, but other than that, it was like it never happened. His whole family stood by him. It was crazy. My ex fiancée and his dad were killed in a plane crash a few years ago. I wonder what celestial level they made it to…

I've been following your channel for months, but this is the first time I'm commenting. These two men are exceptional. I can't imagine how tough it must be to trust your own moral compass and get out of a situation like that. I wish nothing but the best for them moving forward.

Ppl wonder why women like “bad boys” and it’s not necessarily that we want a man who’s a criminal. What describes it perfectly is when Mckay said “And no one wants to be the only person in a room of 7000 to stand up and say I disagree” and then Lyndon said “I do.” That’s the spirit we mean when we say bad boy. Someone with conviction and confidence who is willing to go against the grain regardless of the consequences.

I live in salt lake City and my daughter dated an ex flds guy, he has 3 moms and 14 siblings! He is a good man and was very family oriented and had no interest in staying in the flds church. We still stay in touch with him even though it didn't work out with my daughter

Proud of you two men for breaking the cycle of religious trauma and cults. ❤

Can we make this into a series? McKay, I can listen to you talk all day. Lyndon, you crack me up man. Wonderful storytellers. Wishing you both the very best that this world can offer 🌟

Every religion is a corporation based off of a sex, money, and power.. Well said!

I wish the younger brother had more of a chance to speak. But this was a great interview. Sending love to both of these guys & of course you Mark as well💜💜💜

When he speaks of “Bonnie &Clyde” relationship what he is describing is a trauma bond and it’s real hard to break the cycle. My hat is off to Lyndon for letting go of his young wife.

I go to school in St George, Utah and one of my classmates is from Hildale with the last name is Jeffs. Super nice guy, but he is clueless about some social norms. I haven’t really tried to pry into his life and background but now I’m very curious. I also buy pecans from that pecan farm in Hurricane all the time, they’re the best! Edit: I talked to him and he told me his family got out of it about 15 years ago when Warren Jeffs started doing crazy stuff. He commutes from Hildale 45 minutes every day for school and loves it there. He says it’s changed drastically in the last few years and most FLDS have relocated to Beaver or around Cedar City, UT. He appreciated being talked to about his background and we’re gonna hike Water Canyon when it warms up!

Religious trauma is very real 😢

These two men are absolutely amazing, so glad they have each other’s backs, and I hope they can work to support others from that community that break free.

2 EXCEPTIONAL YOUNG MEN!!! So happy they seem grounded after coming from such a horrendous mind screwing childhood! Lyndon, if I was your Mum, I would be so proud of you, never disown you!!! McKay what a beautiful young man you are !Sending love from Perth Australia 🌈 Kylie

I love these boys! They make their dad and me so very proud. They have overcome such hardships and have made great lives for themselves.

I get the impression that the lad Lyndon was unable to say the F word for 17 years and he’s making up for lost time in this interview 😮

great interview…glad they are out…mckay was so patient waiting as his bro talked the most…u could tell he’s so affected still…my heart goes out to both ofthem for they will never have relationships w/most their family..it’s sad.

This was sad. Fascinating. And triumphant. McKay needs his own interview now.

This all sounds so abusive and traumatic. Poor kids that are forced to live behind closed doors, deprived of so much, abused, and explpited for their labor! Wow! Thank u for educating us. You have my respect for being a fearless leader!

Intelligence, independence, and bravery. What a lucky combination!

Excellent interview! I could listen to their stories all day. Another interview with them would be so cool!

I grew up in the cult of jehovahs witnesses. Like these two brothers, me leaving the cult meant losing family. It's very tough

Lyndon & Mackay…You are ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE in telling your story of being born in a cult and then emerging as people who UNDERSTOOD RIGHT FROM WRONG!!❤from Montreal

Lyndon sounds like a strong minded kind of guy. Which, probably, helped him live in that comunity and then leave it. I hope more people in places like that have the opportunity to ask for help and get out.

I’ve always been fascinated by the FLDS and hearing survivors’ stories, but mostly it’s women who leave as the men seem to have a sense of safety. Listening to these guys is so interesting, the fact that they hated it almost right off the bat is not a surprise though. What they put the young boys through is brutal, I’m glad these guys got out! Thank you for telling your stories guys 😊

I started watching this after midnight and it was hard to go to sleep, especially after listening to all the suffering these young men were forced to endure. The source of all this suffering can be traced to one individual: Warren Jeffs.

This was so interesting! How amazing that people live like this. One of the wisest things I’ve ever heard some say was Lyndon’s “don’t prove them wrong, prove yourself right.” Congratulations to these two men for escaping.

Lyndon, please let McKay speak more. Or perhaps there wasn't enough time for all of the whole story? Lyndon, you have a great attitude now. "Prove it to yourself." Great! And, so good you help out your brother and the other people who left. Setting a good example is your absolute contribution. So glad you are both on the better path. Best to you and anyone else recovering.

It’s crazy what you can make a group of people believe when you isolate them and control what information that they get. Great video Mark! I know you hear it all the time but you do an excellent job.

Im so happy they are free! They should have a podcast! Please have them back! All the best!

This is hands down the best interview I have ever heard from escaped FLDS members. Their spirit, humor, and strength is admirable.

I meet one of warrens jeffs nephews randomly at a golf course. He proceeds to tell me one of the most awful stories he experience while growing up in the flds. He was a very nice young man. I hope he's doing well.

We need another episode wit these guys 🫡

I love these guys so much!!! I've been around Mormon culture all of my life (grew up in Vegas) and the control in both FLDS and LDS culture is real. These are brave, amazing guys...

Happy you have a sponsor Mark! I’m so grateful to have someone like you behind the camera provoking societal notions, and finding the footings of the bridges to be built.

It was fascinating listening to these guys. Lyndon has such a dry sense of humour, what a great big brother McKay has. Wishing them both all the luck in the world for a good life.

Lately, I’ve been listening to a channel called cult to consciousness and I’ve heard many girl’s part of this same story. I can’t start to comprehend how on Earth the government has not gotten involved in that whole thing earlier. Those Mormon kids have been through so much! It’s wild to me that it could go on and even exist for so long! I’m so glad he became that black sheep that saved himself and many others. Sincerely, he is awesome and can be so proud of himself!

Well...we have a new winner ladies and gentlemen cuz this has to be one of my most favorite interviews out of all of them so far now and I couldn't help but feel so completely fascinated and captivated by these guys' incredible stories so thank you both for sharing them with us!! You are amazing, brave and very strong to get through everything that you were forced to endure through your childhood but I am so happy that you got through it all and now are able to move forward to live the best lives you possibly can so bravo to the both of you and congrats!!!🥳❤️💯👏👏👏 (Incredibly inspirational)!!!👍👍

Thank you for the interview Lyndon, McKay and Soft White Underbelly

What a sad but incredibly story. Thank you for sharing - wishing you both the very best in your journeys. Love 💕 from Canada 🇨🇦

This is a Fu*king Netflix series! I would definitely watch it.

Absolutely fascinating! Hats off to both of these young men ! Lyndon w his leadership and clear-sighted thinking, and his brother w the courage to follow. Not only did they get out, they are also leading clean-living, productive lives. As someone who escaped a less severe cult that led to severe religious trauma, I admire their steadfastness and mental acuity. Best wishes for happy, trauma-free and successful lives🎉. Congratulations on your bravery, young men !

If spilling the tea was a person! Telling everything, naming folk, locations...wow!

These guys have the hearts and courage of a lion. Way to go guys

Thank you Lyndon and McKay for your great interview. I've seen the documentary on FLDS. I couldn't imagine how much trauma you've experienced. Take pride in how you overcame it.✨️

grateful for this interview. one-on-one chat with McKay please

This was amazing. Probably one of my top three and I watch you every day. This is so interesting. Crazy story. I wish you had a part 2 on them

Mark, this is wild man. I wouldn’t mind if you interviewed all of their family members who have left the church.

This interview was just fascinating. I sat here and watched the entire video. 🤯

one of the best interviews so far!

1:07:07 - the moment Lyndon realizes the FLDS went full Animal Farm when McKay explains the member-numbering system they used to ration the food - the look on his face is how I felt reading Orwell in high school, and then again when I realized how literal Orwell’s books were after realizing the leader of a group I had joined was a full psychopath, and the whole system of people he’d built around him were there to protect and enable him. Same look, same feeling, when you see the depth of the pathology, when you realize a little bit off or a lot off is actually way f-cking off.

Well done Lyndon and McKay! Thank you for sharing your stories.

Excellent interview. Wishing the best to these boys. They made a wise and brave decision to leave the cult. Please do more religious themed interviews. They are fascinating.

You two are amazing! I appreciate the support you give to each other. Sibling love goes a long way in this life.

Incredible interview! Thank you Lyndon and McKay for sharing your experience growing up in the FLDS and being so frank and honest about your lives and educating us about what growing up FLDS is really like. It takes a lit of strength and tenacity to escape a life like that. I wish you both the very best.

Im glad they made it out!

What a great great interview.. please have them back again.. i could listen to their stories all day long..

These two young men have so much to say. Mark thank you for giving them the opportunity to speak freely.

McKay definitely sounds like he's from the Crick. I'd recognize that accent anywhere. I'm so happy Lyndon got away and helped get McKay away from that cult. I'm very dear friends with one of their fellow apostates from the Crick. His name is Bryan Jessop. They probably know him/are related to him. He has shared a lot with me about what went on there and what life was like there. One of the strangest rules, in my opinion, was no pets. The longer Jeffs was in power, the stricter and more insane the rules became. It will never make any sense to me. But, then again, I wasn't born into it.

This is a really great interview. Thank you for having them share their stories.

My ❤️ goes out to all the children! Thanks for the video!

Ayy just wanted to say, for what it's worth, I'm proud of you both. I spent some of my childhood in a cultish situation and I know how it is to watch pure madness unfold around you when you don't share the majority's mindset. It damages and influences the development of your worldview. But you both deserve recognition for how far you've come as individuals. Keep up the good work guys.

So much gleaned from you Lyndon and you McKay - primarily, what well-rounded, funny, wise, fearless, humble & proud (well-deserved pride) you both are. I'd say you truly made lemonade, from the lemons in your lives. It warms my heart that you're back together and building a solid, respectful and satisfying life, as beautiful individuals but also as a family. Thank you for sharing the challenging personal things you both experienced, I have such respect for your resilience. I truly wish everything wonderful and fulfilling for you both!!

As someone who grew up as a strict JW - this sounds crazy even to me. I had to throw away my Pokemon cards and couldn't talk to kids in school - but this is next level control.

Heartbreaking that their mom discarded them

So proud of these boys for having to courage to talk about this. Silence is how this stuff continues so talking about this cult is a good thing

Thank you Mark for our hosts on this video. Cannot wait for part 2.

This is a Great Interview. Lyndon is an old soul, Strong willed. Great planning on getting out. They are Brave for leaving. Sad they have no contact with parents. Hope they are enjoying their new life. Im sure they're very appreciative of " The little things in life", Nowadays.

Great interview, but I wish the younger brother had more of a chance to speak. I would love to hear more from him!

I'm from England and Lyndon is a legend, I've always been fascinated with the LDS,, I love how he says it as it is, what a guy.. Best of luck and more power to them.. Brilliant, they ain't taking any sh#t...

This is one of the best interviews of fdls I have seen and I'm addicted to watching this.

One of your best interviews

I can relate so much. I was raised by my narcissistic grandmother after my mother died. My grandmother got me on probation for no good reason and used it against me. I was released at 18 and have barely spoken to my grandmother since. The courts are used against kids all the time.

Lyndon's face when McKay was describing things they had to do, like not being able to eat Squash, was hilarious.

So glad to see these guys expose this cult, unashamedly!

I love how Lyndon played the players 😂 and how he let his love go to grow and find herself ❤ What a lovely set of guys ❤❤❤

I really enjoyed this one. Hopefully you can have them come back for a part 2

Loved this interview!! One of my very favorites. Thank you Mark!!

Fascinating interview and I wish nothing but the best to these two young guys!

Great guys right here. Saw the title wasn’t even going to watch . Listened intently to the whole thing. . Crazy crazy interesting .

I live in the small BC town where the off shoot of Warren Jeffs followers are. The 'leader' is Winston Blackmore. They live just out of town in an area called 'Bountiful'. The Fifth Estate did a story on them about 20+ years ago.

We need more of these kinds interviews. So proud of them for how far they have come!

Im exmormon from the "mainstream" mormon church (LDS) but hearing about the FLDS freaked me out about the church i was raised in because the FLDS literally seem like what the "early church" they teach us about was probably actually like. Nothing really bad happened to me growing up, but after i turned 18 so much started to not make sense to me about it (this was when i was going to BYU-I, the environment there i think is what made me start noticing). I do know it freaks me out that i was ever alone as a minor in a room with an adult male. I was very scarily naive at 18/early adult life and ended up in an abusive relationship from 2016 to May 2023 and i feel like my ex used my naivety against me. I will say though that even though it disfavored me a lot being raised LDS it also sheltered and protected my mental state because sometimes i knew it was bad but i really didnt have a way to gauge how bad it really was which i think made it easier to mentally deal with. (But unfortunately also probably why i stayed way longer than i should have, i do sometimes feel my religious upbringing groomed me for abuse.) -- I love these soft white underbelly videos because it really shows how dynamic and resilient humans are and while sometimes can be exploitive for education, i think we can learn alot about life from learning about the lives of others. And also goes to show sometimes you don't know what people have gone through, but also people who may be doing some "evil" in their lives now, talking about their lives while not an excuse for their current behaviors, it can definitely give insight and explanation into them.

Just when you think your going crazy from your own problems, you learn about the Mormons 🤦🏾‍♀️

Lyndon was definitely the problem child LOL. Love how he tells his story & he gave no f*cks about the religion.

I live in Utah and not a member the FLDS or LDS church. It has always amazed me how good people believe such things. These brothers are so courageous to tell the truth. I know they could go on for hours about all the shenanigans that happened to them. I know they will be/are successful people.

I wish McKay had been able to talk more. He would start to say something interesting and then shortly get interrupted. If he ever does a one-on-one interview, I'd definitely be interest! but overall very unique perspective from both of them, and I was grateful to hear more of what the male side of things was like. Thanks for sharing, to all involved. Wishing them both the best.