heck yeah-4th floor #4256!

Hell, he can have his own building. Right next to the HOF, just not in it.

Exactly, well said

bakershan3825 You ‘re too young to even watch him

SuperPat88 you got it ! Great idea my favorite my old mans favorite

John Deming lol but the Astros can cheat and get away with it !! Wow smh

Yes Most stadiums now have sport books It unbelievable the hypocrisy I think Pete Rose will eventually get in but it will be posthumously unfortunately & THAT is shameful

Joe Jackson took money from gamblers to purposely lose. Pete Rose bet on his own team to win. These are not the same situation.

@@MrSprigg joe Jackson hit over .300 that series

@@hawgslayers29 So what? He was talented enough to do that even when he was deliberately not playing at his best. That makes what he did even worse.

@@MrSprigg you serious right now ? Nobody trying to throw a game is gonna hit .375 in a series . I promise you that

@@hawgslayers29 Joe Jackson was paid $5000 to throw that series. His performance was very good, but this is a guy who hit over .400 more than once. Whether he did his best or not is irrelevant; he took money from gamblers to lose on purpose.

tone tone yep

Criminal

Has any player from the Astro’s been penalized by MLB for cheating to gain advantages to help them out?

@@ticman1962 Nope and they were more guilty than the coach at the time

Right on Stephen A! 100%.

And Alex Karras is also in the Hall of Fame now.

Baseball is the most pearl-clutching sport in American history. They took a decade longer than other major sports institute replay review. Teams like the Yankees still have a facial hair policy.. A FACIAL HAIR POLICY! MLB wants to act like it’s still directly after the 1919 “black sox” got caught throwing the series and they have to show that they won’t stand up for it. It’s been 104 years. Pete Rose has 4200+ hits! He could have murdered people after his playing career and he would still deserve a spot in Cooperstown. Also.. skip can go fuck himself. Dude has some of the worst takes of any sportscaster in this country.

He also was caught betting the day of the Super Bowl too, as in he had been gambling the day of or night before the game even.

And that’s a different sport and different circumstances. Nice try though.

Sai B exactly. Put him in as a player not a manager. He is one of the most talented players ever he deserves in. He made bets as a manager not a player. How come PED users get in? Using PED is cheating, Rose didn't cheat for his stats. And I know this is another sport but OJ is in the NFL Hall of Fame. We all pretty much know he murdered 2 people. But he stays??

If you watched him over his entire career, especially toward the end, alot of that "Charlie Hustle was for show. I've seem him head diving into 2nd or 3rd base alot even when the throw wasn't going to those bases. Crowd loved it though.

@@haydencloud3619 OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent. Plus he was voted in the HOF before the so called murders. And betting as a manager is worse than betting as a player. As a manager you can control the outcome of the game since you're the one making decisions. As a player you just control you.

@@hennylo68 “OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent” Lmfao no.. it doesn’t. It means he was not found guilty of the charges against him.. The prosecution shot for the moon with first degree murder charges, which require proof of premeditation. Clark and Darden mounted one of the most horrific prosecutions of all time. Just because he was found not guilty of the charges against him does not mean he did not kill those people… anyone with half a brain knows he killed them.. and the only reason he was found not guilty was because Marcia Clark and Chris Darden went for gold with the charges. They also were absolutely dreadful at jury selection and Marcia Clark might be the most disillusioned prosecution lawyer I have ever seen in my life with how she expected African American jury members to come to a guilty verdict directly following the Rodney king incident. She might be the worst person at reading a room in the history of people.. and my god.. the absolute idiocy of Darden suggesting OJ try the glove on.. Anyone.. ANYONE with half a brain cell in OJ’s seat would make damn sure it looked like the glove didn’t fit. The only reason he was acquitted was because the prosecution was possibly the worst in US history.

@@haydencloud3619He was a player manager, but he was never going to make it a manager. I think the lifetime ban should mean until they due and after they become eligible to be reinstated. Joe Jackson and tigers should be eligible 100 years later, they can decide not to put them in based on their playing careers before the 1919 WS.

caleb reichenbach he thinks Pete is the only person who did it, tons of famous coaches did as well. Still do, just don't get caught.

Pete Rose is a Hall of Famer.

Seriously weird... like kissing a first cousin weird... 😂🤣😂🤣

Tornado Of Souls me too he was right on

Yeah because he's showing support for a white man

Volkz337 Amen, brother! How the steroid criminals aren’t stoned when they are within a hundred yards of a baseball park is beyond me. They’ve tainted the statistical fabric of the game.

Joe Jackson was a great player in. his day and would have been in the Hall of Fame had he not been convicted for gambling. Rose did the same thing and that's the way it goes. Can't allowed him in..

Yep, and he was fucking incredible...gimme a God damn break

@@HoboJoe1416 as bad as this sounds.. the home run battle between McGuire and Sosa followed by Bonds setting the all time record is what revived baseball. I wish It wouldn’t have taken PED’s to get there, but it’s true nonetheless. Baseball was dying, and the sudden spark of home run records kept it alive.

Pete Rose could have murdered a few people after he retired and still been a first ballot unanimous hall of fame’r. Baseball hierarchy is almost nothing but pearl-clutching purists who won’t be alive to see the 2040 season.

No we don’t.

I have to agree. BTW, any other such accomplished athlete in ANY sport ever been shunned like Pete? A sport he help popularize for an era!

It is a well known fact that he was told to retire to avoid a scandal. Not sure I can blame Stern if he told him lay low for two years to let the gambling not get out in the open.

Billy Causgrove you’re right!! Rose is 2nd all time though with 746 I have no idea why it says 2,165

Harold Baines and Tim Raines made the HOF and they never were 2nd - 3rd best on their teams were they? Never were higher than top 10 at best I believe in MVP voting and not WS MVPs.

zipadeed00dah There is a difference. Those banned by Landis and those previous were banned for throwing the games, therefore undermining the public trust in the games’ outcomes. None of Pete’s bets affected the outcome of games or were to throw games. Maybe you need a better understanding of that historical crisis?

zipadeed00dah Oh how wrong you are

If Pete gets in then Shoeless Joe and others should get in as well.

Did you read what I wrote above? None of the 8 indicted for gambling is in the HOF, but two Sox players from the 1919 team ARE in the HOF: Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk. Look it up.

Youre right and that says alot for Skip Bayless, too, because he didn't call him out on it. I don't think either one of them knows baseball very well, at least the history of it.

Yes and it goes back to Stephen's point about forgiveness in society AND sports. That Pete has gotten none. By those that have the final say.

Peter Luk Shoeless?!

Peter Luk Shoeless?!

Peter Luk I forgot that Pete threw an entire World Series for money, it’s been proven he bet on his team to win. But we’ll let all the dudes who used PED’s to allowed to be voted into the game

Joe Jackson played very well during the 1919 World Series.

Fartin Barton ???

I often disagree with Smith, but he laid out a fantastic case for Pete, and one that I completely agree with.

Daniel Toma except he's addmited to gambling while playing, too.

@@bakershan3825I believe while a player manager, but gambling alone is not bad, it is betting on baseball that gets you the lifetime ban.

Matthew Tacha the difference is, the "Black Socks" cheated, Pete never did

Shut up and look at the stats dickhead

Well said!

well said...

People don’t understand that your actions have consequences. Pete Rose is being punished cause he opened Pandora’s box. MLB made an example out of him. Don’t let him in until he passes away.

Vanilla_Face_619 That was an error. He had 746 lifetime doubles. It had my jaw drop when I first saw it too but then realized it couldn’t be.

Get your head out your ass

You mean boxing?

And there is evidence based on play alone that Joe Jackson might not have thrown the games. Now he took money, though I believe he did return the money, so if he never threw games and returned the money, I think he deserves to be reinstated.

Is that a proven fact ?

As well as several powers that be in baseball.

Lance Myers i agree with u on Mtl Baseball ( remember when Pete played for Mtl ) but HOF is out of the question

I know right?! Utter Bullshit! Pete Rose is 80 years old...LET HIM IN. He's the all time hits leader damnit so what he gambled on baseball. Willie mays AND yankees Icon Mickey mantle were both banned for life but they were reinstated. Now that's hypocrisy. Come on Manfred reinstate Pete Rose because so far your fucking up the national pastime by NOT letting in an all time great into cooperstown. You should be ashamed of yourself commissioner Manfred. You don't care about baseball history at all. You just care about "oh he's a gambler and a criminal. Well guess what?! Let it go forget the past and live in the Present day.

get the fuck over it. He was bored as a manager so he put some money on it. He never bet on them to lose. Sitting in that dugout when you were a player for 26 years is boring as fuck. He was a winner his whole life. he was just looking for a little competitive excitement. What he did never effected the outcome of a game. The entire steroid generation effected baseball history. Stop being dumb and brainwashed its fucking sickening how stupid you sound

I want the steroid boys out of baseball too. As for the rest of your juvenile comments, you're talking out your ass. You don't know if what he did affected the outcome of any game. And boredom is no excuse for violating the cardinal rule of baseball repeatedly.

That was nearly 30 years ago. let go ,forgive, and forget. Pete Rose BELONGS in the Baseball Hall of Fame, and you KNOW it.

If Rose belongs in the HOF, so does Joe Jackson. It's been a century since Jackson helped throw the 1919 World Series and he was a much better player than Rose. After that, where do you draw the line?

"If Rose belongs in the HoF, so does Joe Jackson... (H)e was a much better player than Rose." Then what are we waiting for? *LET'S GET IT STARTED!*

Let's think for a moment for kids, today and tomorrow, who never saw him play, but see his stats. All time hit leader, 2nd in doubles, I know he's high in triples, too. Played all outfield positions and infield, except short. Most 200 hit seasons. 3 time world series champion. You think they're not gonna wonder why this man is NOT in the HOF? And they either look up the reason or an elder family member, friend or co worker tells them. Just curious about their reaction or thoughts.

Yes, but Pete also built most of the core of that team along with the GM. But Lou also had to manage egos and injuries too.

A 35yr ban is just a slap on the wrist?

Ben Middleton People forget he had a higher lifetime batting average than Willie Mays.