ETCG and ScannerDanner Solve A Misfire (Part 1)

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ETCG and ScannerDanner Solve A Misfire (Part 1) - EricTheCarGuy

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@josuwils 12 жыл бұрын

I love Duane. He takes a problem and fixes it correctly with whatever means are best suited for the situation. Sometimes he uses the scanner and other times he uses much more conventional and common sense techniques. Love ETCG and ScannerDanner together, though. Can't wait for part 2.

@OscarSegundo 5 ай бұрын

Watching this in 2024 and going back to these past videos is awesome! Love watching when colabs like this happen.

@envirex 8 жыл бұрын

Pretty good example of the difference between a technician and a mechanic.

@jesselyons2002 4 жыл бұрын

I think Eric the car guy is a ASE Master technician.

@12mak 4 жыл бұрын

Technician: scope secondary, injector waveforms, exhaust analyzer Mechanic: inspect spark plug

@joshu417 2 жыл бұрын

man the people in this class are very lucky to have you and him together teaching a class.

@DaCoder 10 жыл бұрын

"Thats right, absolutely, right, thats right, absolutely" - ScannerDanner when Eric is talking *face palm*

@malcolmyoung7866 6 жыл бұрын

ETCG channel so he's 'pumping' for content for his less technically qualified non nerd idiots...Like me!!

@cookdave 8 жыл бұрын

Great video, Eric asked some 'probing' questions which helped explain things to the viewer. Thanks guys!

@SuperCarfix 12 жыл бұрын

Nice guys Paul is a diagnostician teaching professional technicians who want to be diagnosticians(using gas analyzer,DSO,scanner,test lights,wiring diag etc),Eric is a technician who wants to help general DIY guys(looking at plugs,switching wires etc). The look on Paul's face when Eric says lets look at a plugs is priceless.Paul talks about injectors current and voltage,Eric says lets check for vacuum leak.In short ,no scope=Eric ,Diagnose it as a pro=Paul I love Both

@spelunkerd 12 жыл бұрын

It took me a while to find the time to sit down for this. Now I'm glad I found the time, these two guys are great, and great together as well.

@TheWonderfulWino 8 жыл бұрын

I love the banter between these two guys.

@fredflintstone8048 7 жыл бұрын

yeah, and SD is right about the plug analysis, it's questionable.

@MediumHalf 12 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping and translating some of the higher-tech stuff Dan was talking about for us backyard mechanics. Seeing both approaches side by side like this is a brilliant way to learn.

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

Yes, on initial start-up, until the check engine light starts to flash again. Also I believe at WOT. Something else to consider is not all OBDII systems shut the injectors off.

@wasabus2 12 жыл бұрын

love the way eric is all old school while paul all his hi tech

@Spitfirerulzyou 12 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to give Eric a big high five when he said "I love seeing ACdelco plugs in a GM" damn right.

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

Awesome man, thanks for the comment. It is good to hear you are finding the book to be an asset. Thanks again for the comment on the variable with this test. I wasn't even thinking about injector shut-down. For the rest of you: You will never see a PCM shut off an injector to protect the cat. from a misfire without setting a code for the misfire first. Also on initial start-up the injector is ALWAYS turned back on for a few, even with a completely dead cylinder misfire.

@mattmanslim 12 жыл бұрын

Absolutely cracking video! You two throwing ideas off each other just answers one question after another. Spot on stuff, Eric!

@TheRick2130 12 жыл бұрын

calling all producers! this two guys deserved a TV show :)

@allianceofsteel 9 жыл бұрын

holy mackerel. like an old married couple....

@ianthomas1201 7 жыл бұрын

nice jewish accent

@Dillithium 12 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! Very cool to see the hands on approach vs. the machine assisted approach. Can't wait for part 2!

@W.Khairi 7 жыл бұрын

I like when Eric stops Paul and makes him explain....great video

@robinsonsauto 12 жыл бұрын

first time seeing scannerdanner seems like a great guy. I can tell he is a true tech with very good troubleshooting skills, great video

@shawnhimel1969 2 жыл бұрын

Great video from (2) LEGENDS OF DIAGNOSTICS. The greatest thing is the process and that is what you guys do best.👏👏👏👏👏

@colingreig3460 6 жыл бұрын

Great fans of both and couldn't care less if Eck was interrupting, that's the way he is. Eric has the gift to entertain and educate. Keep it up Eric and Danner scanner.

@13FravelJ 12 жыл бұрын

Because of these past few videos of Eric at Rosedale Tech. I now want to go to Rosedale Tech. for automotive training

@thelagmeister Жыл бұрын

I love both of your channels. I would have liked to see ScannerDanner vs. ETCG.

@YouTube.TOM.A 12 жыл бұрын

You guys are a riot. Eric being the Jim Carey of automotive and the studious and precise Dan. Its a good fit and somebody somewhere must be thinking TV Series. Having fun with it all is the right approach and this may be the breakthrough moment for a killer project. Your audience awaits,

@jeffbissey6529 9 жыл бұрын

That was painful to watch. Im just gonna stick with scannerdanners solo videos.

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

Fill out the comment section on my web page and I will send you more information about the format of the ebook. It is not really a book that you will read through. It is a troubleshooting guide, sort of a field manual.

@mrexecutive1 12 жыл бұрын

Fuel trim guys, Check the fuel trims! If the ECM is adding fuel, its a fuel delivery problem. If its taking away fuel its an ignition problem. In any case awesome video hope to see many more.

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

Great point my friend! There are certainly variables to every test isn't there?

@oileycat 12 жыл бұрын

yes its a pain! your test from the book worked on the o2 sensor problem I was having Thankyou the o2s now working but car is very lean airmass low at 3.5v wot and I also used your tip on a pull down circuit in an ignition fail sensor today books paid for itself already :) I am going to read it over again now its the best value for money I have spent on diagnostics to date

@QuadroNVS 12 жыл бұрын

it took me all day to watch this video because i kept getting interrupted , Eric makes me wanna drop out of the information tech field and get into the automotive field

@Truthseeker4449 10 жыл бұрын

I think Rosedale just became an option for me.

@MRSROCKINROBIN 12 жыл бұрын

Awesome, I laughed all through the beginning!!!! It's nice to see differences between the hi-tech and the at home garage styles!!!! Waiting for Part 2.... . Merrie-Merrie

@RandallFlaggNY 12 жыл бұрын

Eric and Paul are having a mind meld.

@mrkzj2 12 жыл бұрын

I like this guy, knows what he's talking about and uses technology to his advantage.

@d-s-ll2378 4 жыл бұрын

The world could hold a missfire diagnostic competition, it's a kind of very, very challenging activitiy.

@1darslars 12 жыл бұрын

These videos are extremely informative!!

@peugeotCitroen2CV 12 жыл бұрын

a really interesting and well presented video thanks eric for sharing this

@stuiecrosbie8560 12 жыл бұрын

old school vs new school! though its clear to see Eric picks up information fast

@federberer3681 4 жыл бұрын

Both these guys should have been actors, they like to talk a lot

@daniefoflyge64 11 жыл бұрын

I'm not used to using all the scan tools and stuff. Scanner Danner has helped me a couple times on the ETCG forum. These guys both know their shit.

@shieldcracker 12 жыл бұрын

Great video, your finest one Eric. Great marriage of theory & pragmatism, I am actually saving this one on my hdd.

@autodiagnostics6081 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see posting date for the videos thanks and loving the good work of both of you

@keving52002 12 жыл бұрын

jsut ran into this problem yesterday on a 01 Bravada, just had major work done as well as cap rotor wires and plug in,Hooked a scan tool up(gyenisis evo) saw the missfire in cyl #4 and the wire to the plug was not on all the way as well as the wire to the distributor cap was loose. snug the two ends as well as all the others retested it and no more missfire, that one was lucky

@capresse1979 3 жыл бұрын

Old school vs new school nice...still fascinating all the things you can learn from this 2 guys. P.s love both of them channels...👍👍

@Yesterday23071 6 жыл бұрын

Super . Thanks guys . The kings of the automotive.... Good video guys.

@jvepps 12 жыл бұрын

do more of these very entertaining!!!

@acebrownful 4 жыл бұрын

Eric is learning, lol leave him alone, school the shade tree Paul

@prayfortruejustice 12 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all your videos man. This vid set is great!

@ryansauto93 12 жыл бұрын

Great video! You two work awesome together

@12vgs8606 12 жыл бұрын

- Put mechanic's stethoscope on injectors; notice NO ticking on #3 - Replace the injector. (if I had P0303, I will swap the injector and verify code moves) - Car runs great!

@GRUSSNewton 12 жыл бұрын

Great video! Looking forward to part 2...

@urgentcareguy3 12 жыл бұрын

Very nice job guys. These are guys know their stuff.

@halleffect1 12 жыл бұрын

this video is very informative. thanks for posting

@tubejim101 12 жыл бұрын

Great video. Helps me understand the emissions a little better. In the field. How would you know it was cylinder 3? Was thinking I could use a stethoscope probe and listen for which injector was not firing. Would that be a good test?

@PepegaPig 12 жыл бұрын

Yeah when I was younger I used to hate the old air cooled dubs especially the beetle. I'm not the biggest fan of the old bug but they have an appeal. I would prefer a tidy camper van/bus. They are mega bucks now for one in good condition. Unfortunately in the UK here they salt the roads in winter so rust free ones are so hard to find!

@zx8401ztv 12 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a valuable tool :-) Like all good tools, it can make the job a lot easyer.

@squ86 12 жыл бұрын

i'm with you eric, look at the plugs...esp since i haven't seen an exhaust gas analyzer in any dealer for over 10+yrs

@lmbear 10 жыл бұрын

You guys are both pretty bad ass. Thanks for sharing!

@L6forlife26 12 жыл бұрын

you can use your low amp probe and scope the cranking amperage. this will give you a waveform that will show a non contributing cylinder. and if you see a non contributing cylinder there is no ignition part you can replace to fix it. fairly quick diag. misfires can take the most time to diagnose and gain the least amount of money for your time.

@zx8401ztv 12 жыл бұрын

Excellent video eric :-) As you said it depends on what you have for diagnostic equipment, just a swap of injectors between 1 and 3 would be a non equipment way of testing, the obd data would show if it made any difference. That would be possible for the ordinary person, but the expert may be the only answer.

@davelowe1977 12 жыл бұрын

I'm an artist, but of a different nature: classical music is my thing. I've watched all your videos, but I must say that I would have been disappointed with this performance. Contrasted with your interviews at the 'motor convention', the camera work is dodgy, and the information not so clear as in your other videos. However, I enjoyed watching, so obviously another 'thumbs up'! Your videos are why I look forward to Friday!

@miguelcortes9943 11 жыл бұрын

i really liked this video...sannerdanner is a teachers and teachers the guys how to work at a dealer or places like that...while erick teaches the commen person....this is great

@duwageMadusanka 9 жыл бұрын

I learn lot from Eric and scanner danner, the nice thing is i sow first time you guys are single place. :D

@DarkPrince013 12 жыл бұрын

@EricTheCarGuy @ 7:41 I couldn't hold my chuckles in... You sir are awesome!

@lolzaloud 12 жыл бұрын

No need for to apologise man! Videos are great and your a cool dude :) keep it up!

@alexcarmecanicaautomotiva8374 9 жыл бұрын

paul danner sou seu fa aqui do brasil, aprendo muito com voce a fazer analises de bobina de igniçao,secundario e primario. grande abraço para voce e muito obrigado

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

My apologies, I just wasn't used to working with someone else. I wasn't even aware I was doing it. It annoys me to watch it too! Thanks for the compliment in spite of this.

@Viper81766 12 жыл бұрын

Great video guys. If a man does not have a gas anaylzer can you use the fuel trim and 02 values on a scan tool to diagnose an similiar conclusion?

@petergriffin612 11 жыл бұрын

Had it happen to me once on an old GSX-R. Loose corroded terminal on a multi plug. It so happend to liven the whole ignition system. Whenever it was on the motorway with good airflow, fine. As soon as I stopped at a traffic light for more than a couple of minutes, the connection heated up just enough to kill the entire bike. Ran perfectly again when cold. Had to go back to basics and do the old 'wriggle test' to find that one lol

@lolzaloud 12 жыл бұрын

For sure. Thats right. Right. Right. That is correct. O.O EVERYTIME! But you're still awesome Mr Danner.

@SD457500 12 жыл бұрын

Great stuff!

@johncooper7242 4 жыл бұрын

am I missing something here ? we are looking for the simplest initial test, out in the field ,so we hook up our OBD2 reader which we just happen to have in the glovebox lol? Why not just pull the HT lead remove the plug cap and check for a spark first on cyl 3 or is that too easy ... My first step with a engine that clearly wasn't running on all cylinders is to pull the HT lead caps off the distributor one by one with some electrical insulated pliers and see if I can isolate which cylinder isn't contributing .....

@tonapaitech2429 10 жыл бұрын

You like fighting don't you Eric? Lol

@atomicdmt8763 3 жыл бұрын

Solid! love the team work here...........

@mastahc411 8 жыл бұрын

I wish etcg still made videos like this. I'm so tired of tool reviews and fixing it forward

@mastahc411 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks carpart kings

@TheApothecaryAus 12 жыл бұрын

You can get a Wideband 02 sensor for fairly cheap. Could you use that to an accurate enough degree (instead of a really expensive machine as shown)? Really good insight into technical theory and ideas (classroom vs. "hands on") more so as both are equally valid but one not as practical as the other without the equipment. This diagnosis sure beats pulling everything out and swapping it all for other bits hoping to get rid of the misfire though!

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

Its all good, and there really is no wrong way to go about it. To each his own. I didn't mean to come off like a know it all. Sorry To me the gas analyzer was a super easy for step for this one and I have to be honest. I do not use it for most constant misfires, just wanted to show it can be a real good direction test.

@alexroufs 12 жыл бұрын

Great video. Two completely different styles of approaching a problem. Reminds me of the original Bond movies where you have Q and James Bond...Remember they were a fixed asset to the franchise...so guys...more of this

@ScannerDanner 12 жыл бұрын

yep

@offspringy 12 жыл бұрын

I love how Eric is old school and doesn't confused the hell out of you with technical jargon like this tutor does, shows how things have changed :P - Thanks Eric!

@watuzi 12 жыл бұрын

Nice video Eric. Can't wait for Part 2. I have a 2000 BMW 528i that has a misfire or stall at cold idle. It only does it a couple of times when cold starting. The car seems to completely turn off for a split second, then it would rev back on. Can you explain the difference between misfire and a stall. I would buy the guy's book at $50 if I could buy a cheap scanner to go with the book.

@punker6506 10 жыл бұрын

A lot of newer vehicles will shut off the injector of a misfiring cylinder. So you may also have to factor that into your diag. Clearing the codes usually restores the injector function until the chide comes back

@Ipoditouchreview3r 12 жыл бұрын

i personally would have checked spark first... really quick and simple. Next i would check compression and fuel being last. either way you will still get to it

@mannys9130 11 жыл бұрын

As soon as we had no codes, I said fuel system. Then when we got such low HC readings, I said stuck injector. I really liked the quick and dirty compression test. That plus a spark check would point me at fuel. Fuel pressure check would then point me at injectors. There are many ways to do one thing. Always.

@johnmckamy6398 7 жыл бұрын

don't think for a minute that Eric isn't sharp , He's just having fun with how technical Paul is . Eric is more of a quick and dirty kind of tech because that's how you make money .

@vitaminb4869 6 жыл бұрын

Yep, by having customer pay to replace parts he doesn't need to replace. Works out great for the mechanic. Not so much for the customer.

@dillonv4298 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah...Eric's mindset on this is to go right to pulling plugs out of an engine which not knowing if the plugs will come out easy or not then possibly resulting in stripping the cylinder head and don't forget the time it takes to get to the plugs on some engines. Intakes, hoses, sensors etc. Have to come off at times. Not saying it isn't a way of finding the problem, but rather a last resort solution as it could take way longer to do.

@robert-bg9pf 6 жыл бұрын

This video is a really great learning tool for freshly introduced new techs, and a refresher course of sorts for experienced techs. But the area that is lacking, is knowledge for the at home shade tree mechanic... the at home, keeping his or her own family vehicles running, does not have all the diagnostic equipment us techs in the shops do. The at home guy would only have (or could easily buy for cheap) would be a test light, spark tester, and cheap multimeter. The second video you guys did together was much more along the lines of only having basic test equipment... more videos only using home gamer tools and equipment would absolutely EXPLODE the views on BOTH of your channels.

@rwrobs777 6 жыл бұрын

You two are........LEGENDS !!!!!

@spelunkerd 12 жыл бұрын

That test only works if it's a spark issue. Here, the evidence strongly supports a fuel supply (injector) issue.

@lfmb4real 7 жыл бұрын

I just spit on the exhaust pipe as close to the spark plugs as possible to see the rate of evaporation to see which one is colder or to see if is even hot when I do not see any unburnt smoke coming out of the tail pipe

@danielx40 7 жыл бұрын

That's a very sexy comment for whatever reason..

@vitaminb4869 6 жыл бұрын

Yah, OK, genius. I wanna see you spit on an exhaust manifold buried in the back of the engine right against the firewall.

@mightiestcarmods7954 6 жыл бұрын

how about swallowing it afterwards to see if it tastes more like gasoline

@fuckjewtube69 4 жыл бұрын

That is really stupid... What are you even saying? Are you talking about identifying a misfiring cylinder?

@rhkips 12 жыл бұрын

GMs of that era are really picky about Clear Flood Mode. They tend to know if the engine has been cranked already when the key is in the ignition, and behave differently as a result--Some won't re-crank until you pull the key out, or turn it to the rearward accessory position. Pull the key out of the ignition, let the car rest for a minute, then go through the Clear Flood procedure, and it -should- work. Just personal experience here, though. :-)

@12vgs8606 12 жыл бұрын

I should have prefaced my catty comments with this though ... Absolutely fantastic video! You guys have great chemistry. Seriously, you can be the next Click&Clack except you would be actually fixing their cars :-) If there are any TV producers among your viewers, you guys would have a hit TV show on your hand. I am not kidding.

@roro560v8 12 жыл бұрын

Eric you are the best man,

@hayksamvelyan 12 жыл бұрын

Eric I love your commentary, but I feel like you were cutting him off a bit too much. Thanks for the video, I'm looking forward for the next one.

@619guy202 5 жыл бұрын

22:20 "alright, we're wasting time" -eric

@minisown 12 жыл бұрын

it will have a "MAP" sensor, it'l be mounted most likely on the firewall with a vacuum line running to the manifold somewhere..

@cwalker7 11 жыл бұрын

Funny listening to them half fight over who is right. Just two guys with totally different ways of doing the same thing. To each there own.

@CUBEoneVX 12 жыл бұрын

Eric is so pro, he has the protective glasses on all the time, even before doing any work

@ramont8391 10 жыл бұрын

Some mechanics prefer not to share how to fix something because they feel that it will take money out of there pocket. I can tell that Paul didn't want to give specific details on diagnostic procedures while Eric did his best to collaborate with him and explain.

@prnd21zinman37 10 жыл бұрын

How did you get to that conclusion? I think Paul diag path was spot on and revealed that he gave away all his secrets. Pauls method= Dead miss starts with quickest possible way IN THE FIELD to do a relative compression which is the clear flood trick. Next best test if you heard the Paul say it Is he likes to smell the exhaust. Again an excellent test that's super fast and speed equals money. Next direction fuel problem. Amp probe is the best next most logical approach that offerrs the most amount of data in a single test and offers the extras of minimal labor, less tampering and a bonus of ign primary to boot. since watching Pauls videos for about the last two months I feel that he is actually extremely candid with his methods and in fact gives away so much excellent free information that I can only surmise that he truly wants to improve automotive repair and diagnostic methods for mechanics in general. I dont think he is being selfish at all. Sorry have to strongly disagree.

@juanluislarroucaudem-c.5356 10 жыл бұрын

I see both giving away all their knowledge in this particular case: Eric trytin to approach as much as he can to a house-made diagnosis where u dont have any machinnery so everything is optical, sounds, multi-tester, etc... Paul gives the correct way of doing it in a shop with the required machinnery. Paul's method is way faster and more accurate, Eric's method is home friendly and old style mechannics. This is one of the videos I appreciate the most as I can see 2 totally different paradigms approaching the same problem

@prnd21zinman37 10 жыл бұрын

I agree. Mechanics and other mechanics; we don't come together enough.

@theloosemoose8200 7 жыл бұрын

Ramon T what ??? danner is literally a teacher !!!

@fuckjewtube69 4 жыл бұрын

What a moron you are. Danner was literally trying to be so specific so everyone understand what he's doing so they can learn but it went right over your head.

@siemenstraffic 12 жыл бұрын

Kind of interesting how PennDOT safety inspection let the HC value slide from 100 to 120. In Sweden the vaules of the safety inspection are set like this. HC at (100) CO at (0,5) CO2 at (0,3) O2 sensor at (0,96-1,04) So that that particular vehicle would had clearly fail an exhaust test in Sweden!