Etching Bronze Brass and Copper - Edinburgh Etch

Etching Bronze Brass and Copper - Edinburgh Etch - PNP Blue Paper

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3 жыл бұрын

Here's what you need to know about etching bronze, brass, and copper easily and safely. Take your work to the next level with this skill that combines the use of PNP Blue Transfer Paper and a modified Ferric Chloride etching solution called an Edinburgh Etch. It sounds daunting, but it's really just a simple step by step process and you can even print your designs.
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@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

What do you think this technique would be perfect for right away? I'm thinking a book, nice square pieces on the cover, even on the spine. So many possibilities I'm excited to start incorporating into my work and I hope you guys do as well.

@Thaddigren9 3 жыл бұрын

Usually I see plates like that on belts. I do my acid etching quite a bit different. I've never gotten the toner to transfer effectively. I use my cricut to cut vinyl for my resist. The vinyl tape that is electrical tape also works really well to mask off the edges beyond the vinyl adhesive stuff you buy out with the cricut. I've done most of my etchings with muriotic acid. And it speeds up the process a whole lot to run a DC current through the piece. I usually punch a hole in the margins that will be trimmed off to suspend the piece by an exposed wire. Do the same for a sacrificial piece of metal that allows the circuit to complete. The DC current blasts metal particles off quickly and they tend to at least partially flow to the sacrificial metal and kind of plate it. This cuts your etch time significantly. And will even make 20 minute etches into stainless steel deep enough to be wonderful after years of wear.

@randystull1502 3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious why you didn't use the ammonia and salt method to patina the metals

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

@@randystull1502 Because I have Jax.

@petersmedley459 3 жыл бұрын

Bangles? Pretty straight forwards from what you’ve already made and would look great with your artwork, especially a Jellinge serpent.

@EarthMunky66 3 жыл бұрын

If you had the patience, you could make a fairly epic lamellar vest.

@FrankPSF 3 жыл бұрын

More etch PLEASE. Really fun and informative. Thank you!

@spamsponge 2 жыл бұрын

These are extremely beautiful. The combination of the celtic-ish sworl knots and the darkened metal patina is perfect. Am downloading, perspective correcting and vectorizing these myself for sure. Not to etch but mainly to try and get my head around this style.

@andrewbriggs2279 3 жыл бұрын

im a newbie to this and it is so refreshing to hear you saying about the mistakes youve made rather than just blowing your own trumpet like a lot of others do

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, try and keep it real. Hahaha

@glennracoma7481 8 ай бұрын

Wow these are great. Love that ancient Celtic look. Can't help but seeing in larger scale like 12"X48" installed on the front door. The process for me is a bit complicated but I am a graphic artist and really appreciate these. Thanks awesome video

@jeanwilcox3464 Жыл бұрын

Most talented! Beautiful pieces!

@Onion198 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome work as always! I doubt you remember my last message about wanting to start working with leather because of you but I finally made my first bracelet and put the final touches on it today. It's ugly, but I made it and I'm really excited to keep making more. Thank you!

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Pleased to have you along, I can't place the message but my memory is just poor in general. Be sure to send your work to info at darkhorseworkshop.com so I can have a look!

@makerspace533 3 жыл бұрын

I used to use Press & Peel Blue for circuit boards. I also used Ferric Chloride. I found that a laminator used for laminating documents do a great job of laying down the P&P. To make the Ferric Chloride more active, I added a small amount of Muriatic Acid. I used an old microwave oven to heat the etchant. Acetone works great for removing the toner. I like your idea of using the floating technique, very clever.

@brettster3331 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video, you have a very nice way of showing your technique, it is easy to follow and so informative. Thank you !

@indubalaji3925 2 жыл бұрын

Loved the work ! The design is so elvish !!

@jtfritchie 3 жыл бұрын

These instructions are SO well done and concise. I’m gonna watch it again just to analyze why it’s so good. Thanks just doesn’t cut it for this video.

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate it. Sometimes it's hard to find a happy balance between informative and nap time.

@jurriaandejongh8677 3 жыл бұрын

Gorgeous work!

@W4ABN 3 жыл бұрын

Just watched this and your How did I get here video. Pretty cool the stuff you've done. I've seen etching before, but not quite like this. The aged look you give the pieces at the end give them a nice look. Gives me ideas if I ever try it out myself. Thanks for sharing your work.

@GarageKnight 3 жыл бұрын

Very clean job, beautiful! And a good tutorial

@BumbleBauz 3 жыл бұрын

The results are very cool!

@tracyskorka1479 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool, great work! Would love to give this a try one day!

@rondumontier1187 3 жыл бұрын

Man that is some nice stuff👌 Love your work

@pst291 3 жыл бұрын

Very inspiring . loved this

@cheliae8560 3 жыл бұрын

Stunning!! Thank you!

@BillKibby1 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool looking project! I do occasional PCBs with similar, though with heated Ferric Chloride it only takes a short while to get through the copper. Try a Value Village page laminator, a couple passes once preheated should stick the toner to the surface very securely. Also, acetone for cleaning pre and post, toner literally melts off the surface with it. I love that patina you're getting with those!

@mjremy2605 Жыл бұрын

That is a beautiful job of etching. Looks pretty easy but I do need some safety gear. The motifs turned out so clearly etched with fine details. Very nice job of JAX patina too. I have just bought some JAX and hope to use it soon. Thank you for a lovely demo, very enjoyable. I left some safety info below for novices like me.

@BuildDadBuild 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for the tips! Cheers

@mickybetts7957 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'd love to try this!

@oharakatie14 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video as always. Every time I watch your videos I immediately get my shit together and do an unfinished project

@DaveFer 8 ай бұрын

Wow, that's all beautiful. Congratulations on your success. And thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. :)

@clydecox2108 3 жыл бұрын

That was pretty amazing

@carennorthcutt7724 3 жыл бұрын

How beautiful is that!!!!!

@HeretikLeathercraft 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job, man! I try to etch many times, but the only problem always was the transfer of the drawing to metal. Never heard of this type of paper, should to try it. Thanks for tips!

@sororbudwiser 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! It would be awesome if you could show the process using sterling silver also.

@fraterpine 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this!

@jeanwilcox3464 Жыл бұрын

Very good lesson and very easy on the eyes 😁

@ianjackson8643 3 жыл бұрын

to protect the back of the surface you can use a varnish to cover it. i have seen people use nail polish/varnish as the colour helps to see the coverage. and of course it removes easily with acetone etc

@ronniebroyles422 2 жыл бұрын

They all turned out good ! but I agree the deeper etched ones look better.

@vladisartdesign7080 8 ай бұрын

Well done 👏👏👏, fantastic job 👌👌👌

@marcsenteney3160 3 жыл бұрын

Well done sir!

@ducomaritiem7160 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, try electroetch with salt water plus (car) battery charger dc current source. From all the etching methods, this is the one I use most. Works best if you put a ring of perforated air tube weighted with lead on the bottom of the etch tank, use fish tank airpump to provide the airflow through the tubes.

@valkyrie1716 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome work dude

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@EphanyasisOwleyes 3 жыл бұрын

Those are awesome

@fillphat 3 жыл бұрын

fantastic... could u leave the imperfections at the start to make it look more oldy worldy? do u put some sort of clear coat or something to keep them looking good? great video mate... liked and subbed.

@mrz4785 Жыл бұрын

thanks dude youre amazing

@bharker6727 3 жыл бұрын

been watching your leather work videos ( i get mesmerized and lose hours watching them) and have purchased some patterns from your etsy shop. Saw this video and had to try it. Used copper instead of Brass, and instead of ferric acid, i used muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide for my etchant. Also i saw another video where they used a cricut machine to cut their design from vinyl, so when i didn't have the pnp paper and i did have a cricut i tried that. It all worked very well. Still experimenting with how long to float the copper in the acid. One thing i saw from your video was the small metal brake. where did you get that? I'm struggling to make nice clean straight cuts without bending the metal. Keep doing the etching, i can't wait to see what you make next

@reebertJunkman 2 жыл бұрын

awesome video thank you.... good job

@DarkHorseWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@mattinkel7342 3 жыл бұрын

The worked great! what was the hydrogen peroxide strength percentage? (Not the mix ratio)

@dawnynz70 Жыл бұрын

wow that is cool , love it :-)

@santoshchaviti Жыл бұрын

Very Cool

@neilatkinson174 3 жыл бұрын

Magnus, do you have any tips to stop your leather from stretching out of shape while tooling? Maybe be im just a little heavy handed or i could be missing something 🤔

@Tarmantarmant 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video....

@petermarsh4993 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Stallion, nice demonstration of etching. Never given it a thought but you make it look so easy, I should give it a try. By the way, Edinburgh is pronounced “Ed-in-burra”. Cheers.

@1jotun136 3 жыл бұрын

You might want to investigate etching in print making. We use a resist called asphaltum which is thinned and ultimately removed with paint thinner.

@solsdadio 3 жыл бұрын

Insider tip for Edinburgh pronunciation, phonetically its Edin burr ruh. I have a feeling looking at your work you’d enjoy Scotland and the islands......assuming you haven’t been here already. Thanks for your generosity sharing your knowledge.🦊

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Had a spelling brain fart and didn't even connect the word to the place.

@cmdraftbrn 3 жыл бұрын

i like that top left one

@mrm8171 Жыл бұрын

Hello, was there any final decision of what determined the better etching? The resist or the mix of the acid?

@Thaddigren9 3 жыл бұрын

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Ya, these are for belts for sure. After I've done a bunch of these I may try some vinyl or electricity but figured this would be a great safe first etching project for people. Sometimes things like "oh just run a current through it" will make people never even try it, I know I'd get a little skitish doing things like that. :)

@Thaddigren9 3 жыл бұрын

@@DarkHorseWorkshop I completely understand that. I kinda worked up to it with methods similar to what you put in this video first. but a little $50 DC power supply off amazon has served me pretty well for a few belt plates, pendants, a crown, a few etched hammers, and a book plate all in steel. If you are willing to give it some time you can even forgo the acid and just use salt water. For that method you can basically hook up the aligator clip from the power supply to the metal you are working with and something like a cotton makeup pad in the other clip. Dip it in the salt water and just hold it to the metal where you want to etch. This is better for small areas like a logo on a knife blade.

@tommccool27 3 жыл бұрын

@@DarkHorseWorkshop I actually use a rectifier for both copper plating and for electric etching. it works amazingly. I've even etched knives and Axes with the rectifier and salt water.

@user-sx3zs9zl3s 2 ай бұрын

You can use automotive vinyl. The air lift versions work extremely well if surfaces are level sanded and cleaned

@ScoutIIRes 3 жыл бұрын

For better agitation try using an aquarium air pump and run plastic tubing to a stone aerator and submerge in the acid bath.

@mikecalhoun8497 3 жыл бұрын

Copier/Laser Printer/Laser fax technician here. Toner is basically plastic (with a few other additives) that melts at about 400 degrees F. The last step of these machines is to melt the toner onto the paper. That's why the heat on the hot plate transfers the toner to the brass plate. The Brother later printers toner may have an additive that doesn't work to well with your transfer paper and that is why people may not have the best results with it. I would also try warmer heat setting to see if you get better transfer of the toner to the brass plate. After neutralizing the etching fluid you might want to try some lacquer thinner to remove the toner. Any solvents that I used when cleaning a machine seemed to melt the toner and greatly help in the removal of the toner. Might work better than sanding and be quicker and easier. and may be worth a try since you are still experimenting . Great video.

@mickleblade 3 жыл бұрын

How deep an etch is possible? I'm interested in making a branding iron for Woodworking. I know they'll be a bit of an undercut after a bit.

@shukineziri9390 Жыл бұрын

Tank you!!!

@OIF2Medic 3 жыл бұрын

I remember Radio Shack selling a kit like this to make circuit boards

@richwatts1981 3 жыл бұрын

have you tied using a laminating machine to transfer the ink??

@JaneMonteith 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Where did you get your Metal Shear Cutter from? (at 8:17) I've been looking for one to cut thin strips of metal accurately. Thx :)

@DarkHorseWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

It was gifted. But around here maybe kms tools

@thehorriblebright 3 жыл бұрын

I would really suggest investing in an iron or a laminator. I've seen pnp blue being used to make pcbs with zero voids or imperfections in the resist. Haven't tried it myself, only direct toner transfer, which is a pain in the backside.

@missk2876 3 жыл бұрын

You can use sharpie pens for a resist also, dont be afraid to add an extra thick coat on the top.

@MRX2099 3 жыл бұрын

Would this work on metal like, thin tin, or aluminum even????

@laxmilalsingha6362 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice. Lbelong to India.

@EricRtheModFather 3 жыл бұрын

I need to do this to get some plates with turtles on them for my old steamer truck.

@gentlemanzackp6591 Жыл бұрын

i used simple antler horn to transfer the template becasue i accidently scored when rubbing on the sheet with the steel thing you had.

@keirfarnum6811 3 жыл бұрын

If you want the blues and greens in a patina, you can use the ancient “piss ‘n vinegar” method. Mix some ammonia with a small amount of vinegar and saturate some saw dust to place on your brass or bronze piece (keep inside a container since the fumes aren’t healthy) and allow it to oxidize over a few days or even weeks. Works well.

@tortugakeskecapeutefaire3874 3 жыл бұрын

Buenos dias..una pregunta..es lo mismo el paper pnb blue que el amarillo?? It s the same the blue pnb paper than the yellow one?? Gracias.y buen dia

@715rdmail 3 жыл бұрын

Really cool. You might try clear packaging tape instead of duct tape.

@derekrea4876 Жыл бұрын

If you have issues using chemicals, you can use cut vinyl as a resist and use a sandblaster to etch the metal.

@wendyshaw6985 3 жыл бұрын

Try Citra Solve to clean off the etch quickly

@med8615 3 жыл бұрын

can we freestyle with a sharpie in place of a Faber-Castell pen? Would that work?

@sevenravens Жыл бұрын

Use a sharpie marker on the edges too especially along the tape seam

@richardandreucetti389 9 ай бұрын

Great Video, what thickness Copper do you recommend?

@DarkHorseWorkshop 9 ай бұрын

That's just totally project based... you can etch any thickness. I think these were 18 gauge

@technoshamanarchist 6 ай бұрын

I used PNP blue for a long time for etching PCB's. They work the best if you get a cheap laminator.

@DarkHorseWorkshop 6 ай бұрын

Never tried that.. Thanks for the info. :)

@derkderky803 3 жыл бұрын

Those would make a great business as custom door push plates.

@jacknemo8021 3 жыл бұрын

Windex works great to neutralize also.

@johnkochii 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video. It is great video because it shows that this craft is within the reach of the average person. I wonder if it be practical to use a vinyl cutter (Cricket, Shelot

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Totally a vinyl cutter is another way I've heard of for sure. I may play with that myself some time.

@VWDJeweler 3 жыл бұрын

What printer did you use for the PnP?

@mrtadreamer 3 жыл бұрын

How deep into the metal can an etching go?

@macewen1 3 жыл бұрын

You should try electro etching, so much easier and you don't need to float things.

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I'll try that some time, not sure how much easier it can be unless you just mean getting it to etch faster, for sure. But this video is aimed at getting people to try etching with few obstacles. It's amazing what a little word like 'electro' will do to peoples courage for trying new things. ;)

@juanjobravo4476 3 жыл бұрын

Use a clothes Iron almost at the maximum temperature for 30 seconds and press hard special the edges, so the PNP blue paper make the job very even, the same method that used to transfer the toner "laser" ink to cooper pcb board.

@RichSobocinski 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't acetone be a less destructive way to remove the resist?

@sandramueller2592 2 жыл бұрын

I thought so too.

@Hady_septirah313 2 жыл бұрын

can it be without transfer from the logo, with a self-image using what ink

@Bubblestheghost 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a recommendation on where to get thicker (18ga) brass? Like for keychain? I’m planning to etch, and I realized I only have super thin sheets I got from a craft store. 😭 Edit: I just realized you’re using bronze, not brass. Oops

@c3diy 3 жыл бұрын

maybe try the soapy water trick like all the other vinyl stickers? it might work easier idk

@stevelyman6917 3 ай бұрын

I used phosphor bronze and thought something went wrong when I saw a layer of white gunk on the surface of the metal. I think it was the phosphorous interacting with the acid. The etch came out beautifully, though.

@quercarienmclynne 3 жыл бұрын

can you do this in silver bar?

@gonsolop2429 Жыл бұрын

Love your ideas. Thank you for sharing. I got my wires crossed on this video. I thought you were going to transfer a metallic sheen to patterns on leather armor. Like paint, only its metal. Or is that not metal, but a metallic paint? Example: your etched design on a piece of leather armor to be dipped in wax. Instead of white paint, how about bronze, gold, silver, or copper? [ Like a learher greave with an attached leather plate that has your celt pattern on it with a metallic sheen. ]

@flautusflautus3169 3 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to etch 1.5mm-2mm? using copper Thank you,sir.

@Flying0Dismount 3 жыл бұрын

Brother printers are less effective as they typically use LED strips instead of a laser so the toner density is not as high, but it also depends on the transfer film- some brands will retain more toner and transfer it better.. I use a Canon laser and a regular clothes iron for transfer.

@jobforanorn 2 жыл бұрын

How do you get rid of toxic materials ?

@joestafford3809 3 жыл бұрын

Would gold seal specialty paper PTFE sheets 16x20 heat transfer sheets work to transfer art to brass for etching?

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure this is the first etching stuff I've done.

@FortInTheWoods 3 жыл бұрын

I've done this on Sterling silver using paint and hand etching.. but this method is so much more efficient. I want to go use this method on some of our builds.

@waynethompson8416 3 жыл бұрын

Although you may not have any further steps in etching the metal, surely you have some purpose in mind for those pieces....like attaching them to leather, etc. I was disappointed that you stopped at the point that you did... Would love to see you etch Brass or Copper and place it as an inlay in leather!!!

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

I'm giving them away to friends as belt plates, and have put one on a belt of mine. There will be more videos with etching, where I use them in projects. This was just a LOOK WHAT I CAN DO! :)

@TMP2064 Жыл бұрын

Edinburgh, pronounced ed in bur ra. Any ideas on how to clean etched copper thats tarnished. And not damage the etching

@chrisabraham8793 3 жыл бұрын

Where did you get the blue ready made art transfer sheets from, cant find anything.

@DarkHorseWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Check diy electronic stores

@RavenAttwoode 3 жыл бұрын

"I'm going to use bronze because when etching I want to use the most expensive and difficult to find metal in my city." ROFLMAO! So sassy 😂

@brainwashingdetergent4322 3 жыл бұрын

Where I work, we throw away (scrap) probably 100 lbs of bronze a day. They won’t let us take or buy any of it.

@W4ABN 3 жыл бұрын

@@brainwashingdetergent4322 Sounds like you need raid the bin when nobody is looking.

@erepsekahs 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant Posting. Thank you. Just one word of advice, don't ever go to the UK and ask where Edinberg is, they will laugh. Of course it's spelled Edinburgh however the correct pronunciation is Edin-burrah. I promise you that is correct. Thanks again for the very informative vid. Same holds true for Worcestershire Sauce. In the UK it's simply pronounced, "Wooster" which comes from Wooster=shear. We have these little tricks to uncover the foreigners in our midst. wink-wink.