EU Without Britain? - A Dangerous Gamble | Quadriga

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British Prime Minister David Cameron's bid to block Jean-Claude Juncker from the post of European Commission President has reignited the debate over Britain's possible exit from the EU. Juncker supports further integration but London wants national parliaments to have a greater say in how the bloc is run. How likely is Britain's exit from the EU and what would the consequences be?

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@escole48
@escole48 9 жыл бұрын
I thought this was one of the best debates I've seen concerning the matter of UK - EU relations. The presenter was A1. Also the three guests were rational people who listened to one another and each raised good points. None butted in or got over excited. This was splendid and first class talking on a very emotive subject.
@kazbarthemagnificent2052
@kazbarthemagnificent2052 8 жыл бұрын
i have a dream that we leave the EU altogether and be an independent country again it will be hard but it will be better than being on our knees as we are now
@briantrend1263
@briantrend1263 8 жыл бұрын
+Karen Ratcliffe Exactly! we have stupid clowns running the EU its a joke!
@samichapman1808
@samichapman1808 8 жыл бұрын
Our once thriving fishing industry has been decimated. Only allowing a 20% quota, leaving many unemployed with generations of fishing families left on the heap. We have to refer to EU courts when we want to remove people from this Country who have committed crimes or who spread hate speech. Our borders have been opened to uncontrolled immigration with no security or health checks. Our health services are on the brink of collapse. It's very, very difficult to find a Dentist or Doctors practice that is not overwhelmed with patients. Our school classes are bursting and schools must invest so much more money to accommodate those whose first language is not English. Foreign workers in the UK have driven down wages, zero hours contracts are now commonplace as there are many from abroad who will work for less. Our farmers are being paid not to produce food !!?? 39% of British Invention patents have been passed to companies within the EU. The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. UK airports are owned by a Spanish company. JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs. Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant. Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants. Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds. Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
@anonymusum
@anonymusum 8 жыл бұрын
@ rian Trend That´s a real intelligent and striking argument ....
@PaulJames-uz5yl
@PaulJames-uz5yl 7 жыл бұрын
well said!!
@paladinee
@paladinee 7 жыл бұрын
OK lets go bit by bit: First you should read this to see the why of the steel problem: www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/30/britain-sacrifices-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-china/ Here youll see that the EU has been wanting to stop Chineese steel for years but theres always a UK veto on the subject, the same UK that says it has no say on EU laws. You forget to say that many many of those doctors and dentist are not British. So your saying that UK companies shouldnt buy up other countries companies if they can? Thats basicly what the non-UK companies are doing in the UK. Why do we always blame the worker for lower wages, why not blame the slave driver of the employer? Ivention patents are sold not given, so getting payed more is not that bad really. As if UK doesnt receive grants and funds. Sigh. The Ajax (General Dynamics) is based on the ascod made by Spain ans Austria both companies sold later to the Yanks.
@stacyclarkson6202
@stacyclarkson6202 9 жыл бұрын
I bet the Brits are glad they held on to the Pound!!!:)
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+Stacy Clarkson It's never really been weak enough because of our constant stance on trade no matter what the world economy looks like.
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
Clueless
@-Dash-
@-Dash- 9 жыл бұрын
UK needs to stop being so weak and stand up for itself. No more false promises and negotiations that lead nowhere. Just get out.
@MrLukasboys
@MrLukasboys 8 жыл бұрын
+MeesterDash And then fail.
@dogwithwigwamz.7320
@dogwithwigwamz.7320 8 жыл бұрын
+Andrew Sarchus You must explain why.
@brendanw45
@brendanw45 8 жыл бұрын
+Andrew Sarchus Ireland is far from ''.in economic ruin..'' when they exited the Troika early (Nov, 2014) and have the fastest growing economy in the EU.
@984francis
@984francis 8 жыл бұрын
Yes true, there's that. However, Britain, unlike some of the other countries, played by the rules. There is no way Britain would have been thrown out and could have simply have as you say, stood up for itself said no to some of the more absurd requirements. We could have made this work and work well, methinks. It's probably too late now and most certainly Britain has been swamped and people are rightly angry. However in time, there will be no Britain or UK because first Scotland, then Wales and NI will leave the union. England is a tiny country and may not do well on it's own.
@didierlemoine6771
@didierlemoine6771 7 жыл бұрын
6 billons is nothing for EU :))
@nicksim1602
@nicksim1602 8 жыл бұрын
At 14:17 the german say's that Britain belongs to us. The Germans have felt that way about Britain for the last 110 years, and have been denied twice. Let's make it third time lucky and vote out!
@brendanw45
@brendanw45 8 жыл бұрын
+nick sim If you had to fight them on your own how would it turn out?
@briananderson3799
@briananderson3799 6 жыл бұрын
In 1945. I was 15 year old. Thanks to those who were massacred by the Germans. In 1946 I escaped the transport to the new Europe to build Germania. By 1947 I would have been transformed into axle grease. With a little help from IG Farben. Don't let us kid ourselves. Politicians don't change. Look what UK polititicians. In cahoots with US politicians did to Diego Garcia.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
Just like your fellow troll above, you left the question out in your link to the answer, and you did it deliberately and disingenuously. The question was clearly meant in the sense of "Is Britain one of us?", and 'the German' answers "Yes, they are one of us."
@PENNY1ZZZ
@PENNY1ZZZ 8 жыл бұрын
Nobody ever asked me who i want the President of Europe to be ,SO MUCH FOR DEMOCRACY ,Ill be voting out !!!
@lizardlenny
@lizardlenny 8 жыл бұрын
This was a pretty informative debate. I think I'm leaning towards an EU exit at the moment.
@johnmcentegart8537
@johnmcentegart8537 3 жыл бұрын
Get a visa if you want to work and travel to Ireland
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@lizardlenny
@lizardlenny Жыл бұрын
@@johnmcentegart8537 I don't need a visa to travel to Ireland and I'm very happy working where I am thanks.
@lizardlenny
@lizardlenny Жыл бұрын
@@mijicmugendo 🧂🧂🧂
@crouchingtiger9108
@crouchingtiger9108 8 ай бұрын
@@johnmcentegart8537 Get Ireland out of the EU cesspit of failure also.
@elizabethsheffield6609
@elizabethsheffield6609 8 жыл бұрын
.....I used to be a life-long Conservative (as opposed to Labour tht is) but I cannot listen anymore to the SAME Camoron sound-bites concerning Britian staying in the EU
@elizabethsheffield6609
@elizabethsheffield6609 8 жыл бұрын
yes I know he is - the fact Camoron follows the same immigration policies as Bliar & doesn't support Brexit, ensures I will never vote conservative again. .
@Scylla2112
@Scylla2112 8 жыл бұрын
Wow! - People say those for Brexit are racist!? 22:00 Quote "It's far better for Britain to have immigration from Poland and Romania than from Pakistan and India". I want Britain to leave the EU and I would much prefer to have skilled, educated immigration from Pakistan, Africa, India or anywhere else rather than unskilled labour from Europe. Currently anyone with a European passport can walk into Britain with no problem, while doctors and other skilled professionals from outside the EU have to jump through hoops to get in. Britain thrives on immigration, and the higher the quality of the people entering the country the better.
@JD1010101110
@JD1010101110 8 жыл бұрын
The financial sector in the UK hasn't really benefited from the EU, as the EU has yet to achieve a common market in services, if and when it does though the City will make out like bandits
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
Clueless
@martindavies864
@martindavies864 6 жыл бұрын
Brexit explained... Imagine having a partner, who doesn't really like you, but is controlling, condescending and happy to take your money. They tell you what you can and cannot do, what you can buy and who from. They are also happy to let strangers come into your house who use your stuff and also spend your money. Some of them do useful stuff, but others just sponge off you. Ultimately, there isn't enough room, but your partner insists that you let more people in. Finally, despite some very serious threats, you prove that you have the strength to leave your partner and set this in motion. Your partner is hurt and angry and promises that they will make the break up as difficult and painful as possible; make an example of you. Still, you've made the decision and are looking forward to a fresh start. Unfortunately, your partner left you with his flea-ridden, smelly mongrel dog, called Scotland. Scotland hates you and sits in the corner of your lounge, growling at you, but is happy for you to feed him and pay his vet's bills. You hope that Scotland will finally stop sponging off you and piss off back to your ex-partner. You're happy to keep your ex's cat called Wales though, as Wales helped you leave your partner and has lovely fur. Your partner's rabbit, which they left out in the back yard, called ' Northern Ireland ' has schizophrenia, caused by years of being savaged by the neighbour's rabid dog, called ‘ROI’. As it betrayed you, and unless it can sort out its multitude of problems, it probably needs to have a serious word with itself, or be eaten by ROI. The septic tank under the back garden, which your partner nicknamed 'London' has been full for years and has been backing up, causing problems in the rest of the house. It almost made you stay with your partner, as you hoped they would eventually sort it out. Still, things are looking up and hopefully, once all the vitriol and recriminations are out of the way, the future will be bright. Anyway, we're leaving so let’s make the most of this unique opportunity.
@dwnews
@dwnews 6 жыл бұрын
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@MartinIDavies
@MartinIDavies 6 жыл бұрын
I think its probably better if I just go away... congratulations for bullying me
@keithatkinson6141
@keithatkinson6141 8 жыл бұрын
let the germans have it all see how well they do get out of the eu we were better with the commonwealth
@JD1010101110
@JD1010101110 8 жыл бұрын
+keith atkinson That ship has sailed
@Aduysvmncmkouyf
@Aduysvmncmkouyf 3 жыл бұрын
they have a better economy
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
Particularly given the fact that they all love you so throughout the commonwealth. India will have some very sweet memories.
@superbeedge
@superbeedge 8 жыл бұрын
Let's face it, no country that ever ends up voting out actually ends up as out. If we all vote out the only thing that will happen is that the UK will get more of what it wants - see Denmark and Ireland. VOTE OUT.
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
You lied and lues like that is the reason the uk is a disaster zone now
@boghead
@boghead 8 жыл бұрын
VOTE LEAVE, VOTE FREEDOM!!
@AmbiAnts589
@AmbiAnts589 8 жыл бұрын
The title could also be: EU With Britain? - A Dangerous Gamble
@jh5kl
@jh5kl 8 жыл бұрын
your title is much more appropriate
@jh5kl
@jh5kl 8 жыл бұрын
***** i wonder if they are waiting for the uncertainity to attack heavily the European markets, so that they can bully us their demands?
@SmontheVidd
@SmontheVidd 5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff four years on. Some good predictions.
@quentinhogbladder
@quentinhogbladder 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting debate ~ and quite intuitive as it was made in Jul 2015.. I sit here in February 2016 and I'm impressed that the arguments are still valid ..
@Scottx125Productions
@Scottx125Productions 9 жыл бұрын
Britain will be fine, when we leave we will adapt. Then we will refine. And finally Improve.
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+Mpd Bap Atheist are now the Majority in the UK so Muslims will never be a threat.
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
***** Muslim population is 51% Also it's not just Muslims wearing various vales and head scarfs.
@fenderblues1744
@fenderblues1744 8 жыл бұрын
When voting remember the millions of poor people that died in a war against Germany from coming here and ruling us, now they have done it with a pen. When we joined the EU it was all about trading with them NOT RULING US. We live in a democracy not a dictatorship changing our laws , rules. Our lives and the way we live is under dire threat, being eroded day by day. WHEN YOU VOTE DON'T FORGET THE PEOPLE WHO DIED FOR US TO STAY FREE. VOTE TO LEAVE
@stuartrob1
@stuartrob1 7 жыл бұрын
You guys were pretty spot on with your predictions.
@aphex303101
@aphex303101 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting to watch this debate in April 2017 - strong and accurate predictions from all of the participants.
@goodall1bay
@goodall1bay 7 жыл бұрын
The fact of the matter is, the U.K. Pays a vast majority of the EU pill and we should have a bigger share of the decisions. Otherwise it was pointless us being in the union to start with.
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
No it doesn't and never did. Why do British people lie all the time?
@vensb8862
@vensb8862 8 жыл бұрын
Neither UK or EU need each other BUT... the downside of this scenario when Greece follows UK's example then Spain, then Italy etc. That is the precursor to a divided Europe and ultimately the failure of E U unity.
@vensb8862
@vensb8862 8 жыл бұрын
+vens b and NATO as well
@rogerbaker2068
@rogerbaker2068 8 жыл бұрын
Absent the UK...the EU is toast...and they know it!
@pouncingmonkey
@pouncingmonkey 8 жыл бұрын
The question mark in your tittle is in entirely the wrong place.
@charlessmyth
@charlessmyth 10 жыл бұрын
The problem here is that prime Minister David Cameron has confused the office of the Prime Minister of the British government, with that of the Prime Minister of Facebook, and damn the torpedoes of the consequences of a Brexit.
@garypowell1540
@garypowell1540 4 жыл бұрын
It is now the 18th of August 2019, many now know the waters which have processed under the bridge. Some interesting insights during this discussion. One thing the people of the UK have learned, which these chaps never taught about, was the level of treacherous behavior of the majority of UK MP's. David Cameron was obviously not seriously trying to negotiate anything of any real importance, and neither was Theresa May. It was clear to all of these panelist that the UK has far less to lose from leaving the EU, then the EU does. None of these experts mentioned anything about European trade embargoes, or the inevitable collapse of the UK's economy, quite the contrary. IMO, because all knew that such a thing would not actually happen, as there was then, as there still in now, absolutely no reason why it should. Great discussion, just a crying shame that such a high level of insightful, and reasonably honest debate, is now impossible to be seen, anywhere on the British MSM.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
Largely agred. But "the UK has far less to lose from leaving the EU than the EU does"? Not really, it seems now.
@DonJuandeBombay
@DonJuandeBombay 8 жыл бұрын
Brexit Would Risk the Loss of Holiday Pay, Protections for Pregnant Workers and Many Other Rights 1 day ago | Updated 23 hours ago Frances O’Grady TUC General Secretary A top employment lawyer has set alarms bells ringing this week for working people. Brexit, he says, could end up with the loss of paid holidays, redundancy consultation rights, protection against pregnancy discrimination by employers, and much more. The independent legal opinion from Michael Ford QC was commissioned by the TUC to help every working person in the UK understand what’s at stake for them in the referendum. And the answer is that they have a great deal to lose. Despite this, recent polling showed that both the Leave and Remain campaigns are failing to connect with blue collar workers’ concerns. But when you consider how little attention the campaigns are giving to EU-derived workers’ rights, the poll’s findings should be no surprise. Both campaigns need to sit up and take notice of what Michael Ford QC has to say. His independent, expert view is that Brexit could mean a massive step backwards on hard-won rights at work. His legal opinion says: “It is easy to contemplate a complete reversal of the gradual increase in social regulation protecting workers which has taken place since the 1960s”. And there is plenty of evidence to back up his warning. Even now, six pro-Brexit Conservative MPs are sponsoring a parliamentary bill to allow employers to opt out of the Working Time Directive - the EU agreement that guarantees you a minimum of 20 days paid leave a year. Thankfully our current EU protections will stop this attempt in its tracks. But if we left the EU, it could be open season on rights like these. You only have to scratch the surface of conservative think tanks reports, or speeches by Ukip supporters and funders, to know what their agenda is. Brexit is a means to an end - and the end they seek is the demise of regulations that are crucial to your rights at work. They casually label it ‘red tape’, but for you it could be your right to time off if your child has a medical emergency. We’re not saying that all the workplace rights that unions have spent so many years campaigning for at European level will be lost immediately. But one of the things we wanted to know from Michael Ford QC was his expert view of which rights are most at risk. His answer isn’t comforting. On the list of rights most at risk are guarantees of fair treatment for agency workers and part-timers. Remember that if they lose their rights, there will be an incentive for bad bosses to push more workers onto casual contracts to drive down everyone’s terms and conditions. Women at work are at risk of a gradual erosion of their rights to fair compensation if they are discriminated against, for example over pregnancy and maternity provisions. It would also be possible to whittle away at people’s rights to proper holiday pay, rights when you’re off sick, and payment for time spent on-call or travelling from job to job. And that could be just the start. Michael Ford QC writes in his opinion that “there is no precedent for the kind of radical overhaul of laws which would potentially flow from Brexit”. Given that the government’s direction of travel is already to cut workers’ rights, the threat feels very real. The current government, and its coalition predecessor, restricted protections against unfair dismissal, reduced TUPE rights for workers whose jobs are outsourced, and raised Employment Tribunal fees to levels that deter people from enforcing their rights. So can you really trust the government to restore all your EU rights under UK law without relishing the opportunity to dilute some, and scrap others? Voting to leave the EU would be a big risk for every working person. It would leave them haunted by years of uncertainty, with rights like paid holiday, parental leave and equal treatment for part-timers at risk of being whittled away. Generations of trade unionists fought hard to win the rights that the EU now guarantees. If we lose them because of Brexit, it could take generations to get them back again. The biggest cheerleaders for Brexit think that your protections at work are just red tape to be binned. Bad bosses will be rubbing their hands with glee if leaving the European Union gives them the chance to cut back workers’ hard-won protections. We shouldn’t give them that opportunity. Frances O’Grady is the general secretary of the Trades Union Congress (TUC)
@adelezierler1547
@adelezierler1547 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent and intelligent discussion.
@bob-qz9ey
@bob-qz9ey 8 жыл бұрын
It's enjoyable listenin' to pre-Brexit discussions, especially in order to objectively grade the pundits, whose views on future issues can be better respected or suspected.
@husseintoney
@husseintoney 9 жыл бұрын
GET THE WHOLE OUT OF EU!!
@984francis
@984francis 8 жыл бұрын
Good lord, an intelligent discussion. I thought that had been banned!
@Jade-jg8hc
@Jade-jg8hc 8 жыл бұрын
The E.U was a nice idea in the 1950's but now it has just got silly.
@edding8400
@edding8400 8 жыл бұрын
It was never a good idea.
@edding8400
@edding8400 8 жыл бұрын
Irish Jester Every country speaks a different language, has different values, wealth, economic policies, work-ethics etc. This is a recipe for disaster, as seen in Spain, Greece and Portugal. And the people who make the rules and regulations are appointed, not elected officials. It is in no way comparable to the US.
@brachisaurous
@brachisaurous 9 жыл бұрын
Will vote to Stay in EU if Cameron can promise 1) quota on total (eu+non eu) immigration controlled by a points based system 2) EU stays an economic Union, not a political entity 3) less power for Brussels and more control for national government
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+Andi Dufresne Cameron can't promise that but that's kinda what the vote is for.
@trevora.ashburner-cox9732
@trevora.ashburner-cox9732 7 жыл бұрын
too late we are out
@lorenalleyne7712
@lorenalleyne7712 7 жыл бұрын
in 2017 this stuff is just ironic
@gameram2158
@gameram2158 8 жыл бұрын
out now
@charlessmyth
@charlessmyth 10 жыл бұрын
France has no shortage of domestic regulations via which to hamstring the labour market of France. Brussels only makes it possible for those regulations to be kept in place, by the French politicians who insist that the regulations must be maintained, regardless of the wishes for reform by others of the government of France.
@jordiegundersen1465
@jordiegundersen1465 8 жыл бұрын
Good dual sided debate. Thank you for this valuable inside.
@GovindaNandahar
@GovindaNandahar 9 жыл бұрын
The financial site is the city of London, totaly independent from London. The bankers there are certainly against loosing their power on Europe.
@RAMSEY1987
@RAMSEY1987 8 жыл бұрын
Only 2m European migrants in the UK lol I suppose that would not be OK if it were true but the fact that the UK has half of the Dutch Somali population that now have UE passports gained from other EU member countries.
@MrBakermanus
@MrBakermanus 8 жыл бұрын
+logical fruit 2million Brits all over EU. So what?
@RAMSEY1987
@RAMSEY1987 8 жыл бұрын
fuckVegansEatChicken www.vice.com/en_uk/read/why-certain-british-drug-markets-are-so-much-more-violent-than-others-257
@RAMSEY1987
@RAMSEY1987 8 жыл бұрын
fuckVegansEatChicken www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/notting-hill-carnival-police-target-somali-drug-gang-in-dawn-raids-before-bank-holiday-event-a2920516.html
@RAMSEY1987
@RAMSEY1987 8 жыл бұрын
fuckVegansEatChicken www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Somalian-drugs-gang-brought-heroin-London-Devon/story-26690739-detail/story.html
@RAMSEY1987
@RAMSEY1987 8 жыл бұрын
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3497125/Terror-pair-face-jail-plotting-gun-British-soldiers.html
@henryvagincourt
@henryvagincourt 6 жыл бұрын
And we do go.
@garrisonhill1
@garrisonhill1 9 жыл бұрын
The panalist stated that David Cameron "has place himself in an awkward position on Europe". This is not true. It is because Camerons agenda (pro-EU) is at odds with the British people's wishes. UKIP forced him to offer a referendum, (to which he was opposed) so he now has to go to europe and huff & puff. He's now having to do the job he was supposed to do for us in the first place, but it is totally at odds with his personal agenda.
@CLVASHJBHWFS
@CLVASHJBHWFS 8 жыл бұрын
Then a new fairer model from Britain comes about. This nightmare is no good for anyone apart from vested interests.
@hivaladeen4892
@hivaladeen4892 9 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how you can argue about Britain losing more money if we leave EU, our problem is we spend more than we make of trade in the EU, if we left, we would get less money from the EU however we would be able to create our own trade rules and regulations allowing us to trade with countries such as China India America rather than bumming of the EU which is curerently shit for trading with
@janwarrington
@janwarrington 8 жыл бұрын
I'm out..........all the people I know are out.................we need a government for the people, not the corporations and banks
@olivercromwell9500
@olivercromwell9500 8 жыл бұрын
Government Criticised Over £9.3m Pro-EU Leaflet Brexit campaigner Boris Johnson says the leaflet will be "hysterical" and argues it's a "crazy" way to spend taxpayers' money.The £9.3m cost will be taxpayer-funded and comes in addition to the specific provision for a mass mailing for both the official Leave and Remain campaign.The spending consists of nearly £6m on printing and delivering the leaflets, and nearly £3m on targeted digital promotion of an online version.
@ProsandCons26
@ProsandCons26 7 жыл бұрын
Id like these people to get back together now to talk about the future of the EU now. You could call it "A Dangerous Gamble - Act 2"
@peternicho
@peternicho 6 жыл бұрын
This post was made in july 2014 history now shows on 23/03/2018 that The UK has had a vote and we decided to leave the EU. We can no longer trust The EU and want nothing to do with it anymore.
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
The uk begged for 5 years for a deal
@keyboarddancers7751
@keyboarddancers7751 2 жыл бұрын
This makes for absolutely fascinating listening today. Britain's a bit messy because of brexit but many of the things being said are extremely pertinent.
@britbazza3568
@britbazza3568 3 жыл бұрын
A Churchillian saying about Britain -: "We are of Europe but not part of Europe. If we are asked to become part of Europe then we must look to the open sea! " Well we are now looking to the open sea! The USA the Commonwealth and our global links for trade and other benefits. We have been a trading nation for thousands of years and will continue to trade and prosper
@oldskoolrools3087
@oldskoolrools3087 3 жыл бұрын
Wow...have to agree, best interview by a long stretch. If only there had been this level of debate and reasoning in the lead up to the referendum. Too many good points made here... "The British have lost confidence in the EU to reform...70B sent to Greece and still a busted economy...Show the British some positive results from EU integration, and they will start to believe in it...."......too late I'm afraid....
@Justdisco2
@Justdisco2 7 жыл бұрын
you only have to look at eurovision too see how we British are perceived, it's not about how good the act is anymore,,
@bikecommand603
@bikecommand603 8 жыл бұрын
A quote from Jean Monnet, one of the EU’s founding fathers: “Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
This is a made-up quotation. Jean Monnet never said any of it.
@DonJuandeBombay
@DonJuandeBombay 8 жыл бұрын
"With many voters still making up their minds about a decision that will shape the future of our country, Oxford University's Migration Observatory offered a stark warning that despite offering the world, the Leave campaign cannot guarantee what would happen to migration if we left. Most voters recognise that our country has reaped many benefits from immigration, from the brilliant doctors in our NHS to the skilled workers helping our economy to grow. Yet across the country, people face everyday worries about job security, school places and GP appointments. In the last days of the campaign, voters should know that despite these legitimate concerns, Brexit is not the answer. Here's why: First, Brexit doesn't guarantee that migration will come down. In fact, a more liberal approach to non-EU immigration - as advocated by the Leave camp - could actually see it increase. Australia - whose points-based system is so admired by Outers - has twice as many migrants per person than we do. The whole purpose of their system is to allow businesses to control who comes into their country. For us, this would lead to an increase in cheap labour, bringing down wages and doing nothing to ease voter concerns about insecure employment. Voters also need to know that the free movement of EU citizens to Britain will not automatically stop if we left. The only way to do that is to leave the single market - an act of economic self-destruction that would be catastrophic for businesses and jobs across the country. Second, we can do far more to deal with the pressures caused by migration from inside the EU. Labour has long pushed for an end to the payment of benefits to people who don't live permanently in this country, and for a major extension of the time EU migrants have to wait before being able to claim benefits - a commitment secured by the Prime Minister as part of the renegotiation deal. We can also help communities facing the greatest pressure from migration. Since 2001, EU migrants have contributed £20 billion more to our economy than they've taken out in benefits. This money must go quickly to areas where migrants are living, to fund schools and health services. This will ensure that people come to this country knowing they need to play by the rules and work hard, and will reassure Britons that we have a fair, under-control system that works for everyone. And finally, the overall benefits of EU membership are massive. From businesses in Yorkshire to the President of the United States - and pretty much everyone in between - there is an unprecedented consensus that leaving the EU would hurt our economy and hit our pockets. We cannot allow voters to fall for the spin that a vote to Leave is the only way to deal with concerns about immigration. We can do far more to address both the level and impact of immigration while remaining in the EU. I very rarely agree with the Prime Minister, but on this he's right: we are stronger, safer and better-off in." - Jo Cox
@MRHIRSTY999
@MRHIRSTY999 8 жыл бұрын
12 billion a year of our taxes will cease to go to the EU, what will they do without us?
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
Carry on, perhaps?
@1Thedairy
@1Thedairy 4 жыл бұрын
If the EU are this Inflexible it should give you an insight into future negotiations with them. Do you really want to be a puppet to their demands? They were difficult before Cameron called for a referendum and they are proving to be no different now. Let that be a warning!
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
The uk is now on the verge of disbanding
@davidpentland9182
@davidpentland9182 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. The type of discussion we should have had 6 yes ago. Are you watching bbc?
@s13hgp
@s13hgp 8 жыл бұрын
VOTE OUT!
@collywobble1111
@collywobble1111 8 жыл бұрын
EXIT 100%
@bnkundwa
@bnkundwa 2 жыл бұрын
The war in the Balkans makes the world unsafe. It is difficult to run industries without the light.
@jesperberggren3765
@jesperberggren3765 8 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!
@DonJuandeBombay
@DonJuandeBombay 8 жыл бұрын
Home Home › International Issues › Europe › Brexit could risk “legal and commercial chaos” and would cause years of uncertainty for employers and workers, says leading QC Brexit could risk “legal and commercial chaos” and would cause years of uncertainty for employers and workers, says leading QC 7 April 2016 An independent legal opinion published today (Thursday), warns of years of uncertainty for workers and employers if the UK votes to leave the European Union. The legal opinion, commissioned by the TUC from Michael Ford QC of Old Square Chambers, identifies the dangers of Britain leaving the EU for working people and their rights at work. It lists the rights that would be most at risk of being diluted or scrapped after Brexit, and it considers the mechanisms for disapplying EU workplace laws in the UK. Michael Ford QC’s legal opinion says that the process would not be quick or easy, noting “there is no precedent for the kind of radical overhaul of laws which would potentially flow from Brexit”. And he says that simply repealing the European Communities Act 1972, as some Brexit supporters appear to advocate, is an “almost unimaginable” course of action, which would lead to “legal and commercial chaos”. More likely is a lengthy transition in which the government could pick and choose which EU rights to dilute or scrap - as some prominent supporters of the Leave campaigns such as Lord Lawson and Lord Stevens appear to want. This would create long-term uncertainty and confusion for both employers and workers, and it could result in workers losing many hard-won rights at work. Michael Ford QC’s legal opinion states: “All the social rights in employment currently required by EU law would be potentially vulnerable”. He lists those rights that he believes are most at risk post-Brexit from a government with a deregulatory agenda. They include rights to properly-paid holidays, protections for agency workers, health and safety protections, and protections from some forms of employer discrimination - such as compensation rates, and protections for pregnant workers and older workers. The legal opinion also notes that, regardless of whether the UK government were to choose to retain any EU-guaranteed worker protections, workers would no longer be able to seek redress from the European Court of Justice (ECJ). The ECJ’s rulings make sure all workers can benefit from EU-guaranteed workers’ rights. A notable ECJ ruling in 1982 extended equal pay rules to include equal pay for work of equal value, benefitting millions of women workers. Michael Ford QC notes that if the government opposes a decision of a domestic court, it can change the law, adding: “I very much doubt, for example, that the government would have stood by had the domestic courts interpreted equal pay laws in the way the ECJ has done.” In the opinion, Michael Ford QC further comments that "It is easy to contemplate a complete reversal of the gradual increase in social regulation protecting workers which has taken place since the 1960s". Commenting on Michael Ford QC’s independent legal opinion, the TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “Voting to leave the EU is a big risk for everyone who works for a living. “Brexit would mean working people are haunted by years of uncertainty, as rights like paid holiday, parental leave and equal treatment for part-timers and contract workers could be stripped away over time. “The EU guarantees these rights, but generations of trade unionists fought for them. If we lose them because of Brexit, it could take generations to get them back again. “The biggest cheerleaders for Brexit think that your protections at work are just red tape to be binned. Bad bosses will be rubbing their hands with glee if Brexit gives them the chance to cut workers’ hard-won protections.”
@soundnicetome
@soundnicetome 7 жыл бұрын
No..not a gamble..if the current government is serious on leaving? But at the moment,Teresa May does not appear to be very eager to sign Article 50 now that we have voted to leave...I wonder why?? Someone give that May a real kick up the backside...and respect what the nation voted for OUT OUT OUT??
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
A majority of two per cent can hardly be characterised as saying "OUT OUT OUT".
@alm7539
@alm7539 8 жыл бұрын
Cameron has put himself into a corner by lately stating if he doesn't get what he wants he wont resign.
@andrewaustin6369
@andrewaustin6369 8 жыл бұрын
We have to vote out not only is it the best thing for the uk it is the best thing for our European friends and neighbours who won't get this chance unless we leave. I am tired of being labeled a "racist", "xenophobic" or "little Englander" by those who want us all to surrender our independence and sovereignty and nothing could be further from the truth I don't just want good trade and diplomatic relations with mainland Europe I want it with the entire globe something we cannot do right now unless Brussels's OK's it. Both the uk and the many western European states have developed over centuries our societies and our culture's and they have value they are not to be thrown away at the whim of some federal Europe fanatic because of their shortcomings. Do not listen to the scare mongering of the remain campaign people of the uk if we vote out on the 23rd of June the world will not end, there will not suddenly be hundreds of thousands of people unemployed and your mortgage will not skyrocket all that will happen is we will have taken one step to a far better world and give our European friends the opportunity to get their own vote so that together we can end the undemocratic and malevolent EU have the courage to do the right thing and show that we as a people are stronger then those we elected. Vote LEAVE on the 23rd of June.
@naybobdenod
@naybobdenod 8 жыл бұрын
Don`t be intimidated or frightened by the in SPINNERS for they will try their level best to do just that. As for Trade Agreements, the EU will be all over us the day we leave, begging us to sign here there and everywhere. Its the UK that will have the upper-hand. Renegotiating will drive some prices down, simply because the EU sell us far more than we sell them. We will be able to trade freely with the rest of the world and a recent model predicts that OUR ( here in the UK ) prices will fall by an average of 8%.Thats how much it costs us EACH to be part of this out of date ghastly EU. That 8% does not include the £20 BILLION we have to pay to be in the EU. The EU is nothing more than a protectorate, protecting and guaranteeing inflated prices of the multinationals. These greedy bastards are ripping us ALL off. I`m advocating the NO vote for ALL the right reasons and the main reason is US, every last one who resides in this great nation of ours will be far better off. When I put an X on my ballot paper, its with a view that the elected government actually makes the laws that govern us, unlike being in the EU, an unelected body of overpaid bureaucrats think they know better. Voting OUT will restore closer ties between the electorate and our government. So please do not be frightened of the IN spin. There is a link below that will give you a better understanding as to why its far better to be OUT than in. Most sincerely JF. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iM1kia2B17SqlY0.html
@ludovic2431
@ludovic2431 4 жыл бұрын
GB out, no problem for the EU. Business as usual but now without the UK brake. Good for the Brits aswell because they can't get used to the EU. They are Islanders, that explains all.
@eadredwild9985
@eadredwild9985 8 жыл бұрын
Britain is one of five countries that holds a permanent seat on the UN security council. Permanent.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
So?
@mijicmugendo
@mijicmugendo Жыл бұрын
Not for long now
@setnoset
@setnoset 9 жыл бұрын
A good number of British people want to leave the EU. Well why not try it out and see what happens. Then based upon the experience it will be understood perhaps some 10 or 20 years later, in retrospect, whether this was a good decision. If Britons wanna gamble, let the gamble begin, for they are free to do that.
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+setnoset yeah.... i don't think france would let us back in if the we left and if the EU is stall standing after that.
@noneofyourbusinesssame4228
@noneofyourbusinesssame4228 10 жыл бұрын
A fascinating debate, and although UKIP's position was slightly misrepresented by the Times journalist (no surprise there), a great deal of sense was spoken in a mature way. Sadly the British politicians in favour - at all cost - of staying in the EU do not even attempt to engage in this way and tell outrageous lies - the Deputy Prime Minister stated before the May 2014 elections that the EU is only responsible for 7% of UK law, for example, and their vote was decimated. The core of it is that the British people are tired of being told how democracy works by people who have little tradition and little history of it, and are only democracies because we had to fight them - whether 1789-1815, 1914-1918, 1935-1945, or in the long Cold War 1945-1989. That's going on for 250 years of war with European neighbours who tread on our lawns, use our bins, and whose kids start fights in the road outside out house.
@noneofyourbusinesssame4228
@noneofyourbusinesssame4228 10 жыл бұрын
Sorry, that should read 1939-45, I guess I said 1935 because that was when my uncle serving in the Royal Navy was killed by a mine blockading the Spanish fascists...I know what MY family did 'in the war', and I'm damned proud of them!
@mrmoody5629
@mrmoody5629 8 жыл бұрын
britain have paved a path for all other eu countrys to leave we was the only ones who had the balls to leave first im so glad we are out
@JD1010101110
@JD1010101110 8 жыл бұрын
Do the people in other member states actually want to become a single federal super state, a united states of europe? because it seems the Euro bureaucrats (with there very cushy pay and perks) and some leaders are keen on this, but given the votes against the EU constitution I don't think many people are. The EU should just be up front about its federal ambitions and just have a referendum in each country for to establish which want to eventually form part of a federal single nation and which just want the trading club.
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+JD1010101110 No matter how powerful Germany is it's not powerful enough to take on the views of France is the UK together.
@Hanna5859
@Hanna5859 7 жыл бұрын
Iron and clay do not mix. God has spoken, whatever men may say or do.
@DonJuandeBombay
@DonJuandeBombay 8 жыл бұрын
Home Home Home › International Issues › Europe › Workers’ rights from Europe: the impact of Brexit Workers’ rights from Europe: the impact of Brexit The independent legal opinion, commissioned by the TUC from Michael Ford QC of Old Square Chambers, identifies the dangers of Britain leaving the EU for working people and their rights at work. It lists the rights that would be most at risk of being diluted or scrapped after Brexit, and it considers the mechanisms for disapplying EU workplace laws in the UK. Michael Ford QC’s legal opinion states: “All the social rights in employment currently required by EU law would be potentially vulnerable”. He lists those rights that he believes are most at risk post-Brexit from a government with a deregulatory agenda. They include rights to properly-paid holidays, protections for agency workers, health and safety protections, and protections from some forms of employer discrimination - such as compensation rates, and protections for pregnant workers and older workers.
@seantaylor8162
@seantaylor8162 8 жыл бұрын
At 14:17 the german say's that Britain belongs to us.
@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058
@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058 8 жыл бұрын
Thousands of books in my local library will recall two historical events that would say otherwise.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
You left the question out in your link to the answer, and quite obviously you did it deliberately -- disingenuously. The question posed was meant in the sense of "Is Britain one of us?", and 'the German' answers "Yes, they are one of us."
@wewantworldpeace9727
@wewantworldpeace9727 8 жыл бұрын
why do people come out with such crap? Of course Britain will survive and thrive out of this ever failing european union i vote to leave
@JD1010101110
@JD1010101110 8 жыл бұрын
I like how the german guy uses the term germany and europe as one and the same, and then says the UK belongs to them! you think they'd of got out of that mindset after the 20th century!
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+JD1010101110 France used to have the same mindset as Germany but then France got lazy and Germany started working harder.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
What he actually means is that Britain "is one of us". You clearly didn't understand the question, did you?
@TheAkbar23
@TheAkbar23 8 жыл бұрын
Please, British friends. Save our Continent, and say no to the undemocratic institution called EU.. We have no possibility to do it in Germany.. The EU is not able to reform. It must be destroyed, and then something new rebuild. Greetings from Germany.
@theunholysoul
@theunholysoul 8 жыл бұрын
How can it be democratic when everyone in EU is blocking reform. Germany is the biggest blocker. Hence, EU has no chance of changing. BYE
@lifewiththerockykrag9536
@lifewiththerockykrag9536 8 жыл бұрын
The rest will fallow suite!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOO!!! Leave it to the Brits to lead the way...
@JD1010101110
@JD1010101110 8 жыл бұрын
The UK actually want more immigrants from places like Hong Kong and India. The indian restaurant association can't train chefs, the work is long and low paid, so british youngster don't want to do it.
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын
+JD1010101110 The EU regulations are causing a brain drain in the UK.
@dorodbarshoma
@dorodbarshoma 8 жыл бұрын
vote to LEAVE.
@painbow6528
@painbow6528 8 жыл бұрын
Good debate. I suspect Britain will leave and I suspect this will set off a chain of events that will lead to the political union falling apart.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
Seen from today it seems more as if another political union than the EU is falling apart.
@painbow6528
@painbow6528 3 жыл бұрын
@@L2K4D44L4R Not really. Blair set the demise of the UK's political union in motion with devolution. When the EU collapses, Scotland is welcome to it.
@L2K4D44L4R
@L2K4D44L4R 3 жыл бұрын
@@painbow6528 What you're saying is incoherent. Try again.
@painbow6528
@painbow6528 3 жыл бұрын
@@L2K4D44L4R You've spelt 'incoherent' incorrectly. It should be spelt 'upsetting me.'
@lenny2228
@lenny2228 8 жыл бұрын
2016 seen the state of things the EU has created You got to be joking I have always said this would have worked better if it was UK GERMANY in the driving seatBut now UK will be out no gamble what so ever and the EU cant afford just like us to stop trading and we will be £55 million a day better off
@OriginalMyTurn2Speak
@OriginalMyTurn2Speak 9 жыл бұрын
Greetings KZfaqrs This Political Incorrectness will be the end of us all. How the UK trust am "Organization" that does not abide by the rules? The behave like Gorge Orwell's Animal Farm "All Countries are equal in the EU, but some Countries are more equal than others.
@deanwhitehead5924
@deanwhitehead5924 6 жыл бұрын
POOR FRANCE CAN NOT REFORM THEM SELF; SAD DAY.AS AN AMERICAN LOOKING FROM THE OUT SIDE LOOKING IN,BRITON[OUR MOTHER COUNTRY],.;/ EXIT PLEASE.DEMOCRACY SHOULD RULE.
@craig581
@craig581 6 жыл бұрын
The French only have themselves to blame though.
@davidedavide1359
@davidedavide1359 6 жыл бұрын
No. Brexit is not a dangerous gamble because there are options. There is fantastic trade to be had with America and Canada. Who needs the Continent if they want to bully you and expect to take on their own self inflicted problems? Selective immigration of the temporary kind is the only type that should be acceptable today for developed countries which are already full of immigrants over the years. Be sensible. You will lose your country to another religion and people if you are not careful.
@mrmoody5629
@mrmoody5629 8 жыл бұрын
WE BUILT THIS WORLD
@bildkistl
@bildkistl 6 жыл бұрын
The guy from the Die Welt couldn't be more wrong, Cameron and strong position lol turned out he is the biggest political looser of all time!
@magfes9209
@magfes9209 3 жыл бұрын
So funny 😂 seeing the analysis and the comments today 🤦🏻. Out of the single market 😏 (swimming without getting wet wasn’t possible ). The danish people are much less eurosceptic today than they were then.
@ralfrath699
@ralfrath699 9 жыл бұрын
Britain is only a small island as Cameron and the russians had said and the brits are very very poor people - some have even nothing to eat! So how can Britain pay the rich Greeks in Europe????
@hivaladeen4892
@hivaladeen4892 9 жыл бұрын
YES YES I totally agree because here in Britain we are super poor and none of us have any nice cars at all and Greece is super rich and have to keep lending britain money I totally agree!!!......
@Scottx125Productions
@Scottx125Productions 9 жыл бұрын
Ralf Rath Lol the ignorance of your comment. UK has the 3rd largest economy in Europe. GDP of about £2.7 Trillion. Greece barely 300 billion euros. If Britain leaves the EU will lose 15% of its entire market.
@ralfrath699
@ralfrath699 9 жыл бұрын
Scottx125Productions - Spiffingly Serious British Gaming! Hello Scott! -Then Britain can pay the rich greeks!!!
@prof1066
@prof1066 9 жыл бұрын
Ralf Rath High Ralf, lucky for you we still have enough money to buy 20% of German car production. If the Greeks default and leave the Euro but stay in the EU then you and the UK will have to then pay them £billions in EU aid they then would qualifie for. Better they stay in then most money to keep them for the next 20 years will come from Germany.lol.
@ralfrath699
@ralfrath699 9 жыл бұрын
prof1066 Hello Prof! Britian gets poorer and poorer - the brits even forget to speak English more and more! But if Britain has money enough the brtis can pay the Rich greeks! Why not? But do not think that Britain has to pay nothing! Or do you have so many trust in british politicains?? And Britain will pay - like always - even if Britian is not in the EU or in Europe! And you Prof will pay too!
@657111221
@657111221 8 жыл бұрын
So who really won the war, daddy?
@nathaniel4334
@nathaniel4334 3 жыл бұрын
Here from 2021 :)
@TTko4KKmo
@TTko4KKmo 8 жыл бұрын
vote OUT on june 23rd
@MultiPlates
@MultiPlates 7 жыл бұрын
EU having plan to be as unbreakable unity in middle of challenges and it will be strength multiply. UK might remain in future their second referendum with new contracts or creates similar collaborations as EU contracts has been and generally viewed this is half brexit because "half" of vote for out EU and "half" of vote stay in EU also views of these election results can tell that brexit have not/wasn't full brexit.
@dwnews
@dwnews 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Margorius, when using Google translate or any other automated translation program, it's always advisable to use short and simple sentences in the source language. Otherwise translations tend to turn out as word salad, with other people hard-pressed to understand what you are trying to say. :-) /ph
@MultiPlates
@MultiPlates 7 жыл бұрын
DW English - text was written by manually and with understanding content but hopefully writing is enough clear for reading. Friendly regards, Magorius.
@samrei8487
@samrei8487 8 жыл бұрын
Nationalism in Europe has never been a friend for European nations and people are really stupid if they swap disputable economic profits for peace and stability. If British do not see long term benefits and power of a united entity like EU, I am asking why they had put so much effort in creating the empire on which the sun never set? I am not afraid of the future of my country, I am afraid of the future of everyone in Europe. Forgive me, but I am European at first, and at second I am Czech. why do people unite, why do they integrate? we could still have independent italian city states, we could have independent german states or even smaller territories based on ethnicity. but why did all statesmen in the history tend to unite and to create big empires? Because of economies of scale. People still believe in primitive nationalistic formulas because politians divide them and govern. when you travel from country to country, you can see, that near the border on bothe sides of the frontier people are very similar, that they are also very genetically mixed. Scotish and Irish have so many similarities, same like some German /Saxons/ and English,this is all nonsence and artificial division.
@nottmfunguy
@nottmfunguy 8 жыл бұрын
I will be voting to leave the EU. The more time goes on the EU utopia is becoming a mess, and the UK is not causing this.
@bernardtharme838
@bernardtharme838 7 жыл бұрын
This news is out of date
@nicolaasleach
@nicolaasleach 9 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or was all this a bit racist?...
@lineh.8531
@lineh.8531 9 жыл бұрын
Nicolaas Leach Alan Posener said a lot of racist things.
@michaelsargeant5923
@michaelsargeant5923 7 жыл бұрын
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