EV expert says "you’d have to be CRAZY to buy a Non-Tesla EV in 2024

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EV expert says "you’d have to be CRAZY to buy a Non-Tesla EV in 2024
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@rugbygirlsdadg 4 ай бұрын

The standard in Europe is CCS. The only other DC chargers are chademo and they will die away, so this applies only to the US.

@mike866 5 ай бұрын

I think the idea of adapters being a major pain-in-the-ass is a bit overblown. I've had CCS and J1772 adapters for our Tesla for a few years now, and it's really no big deal. You plug in the adapter then plug into the car. Quite easy. As far as susceptibility to damage, I've dropped my adapters on hard concrete and they work just fine. In addition, I've never noticed a drop in charging speed while using an adapter.

@joejohnson1454 5 ай бұрын

I agree with mike866. Will all the free or complimentary chargers at the malls, library, etc. be changed?? I don’t think so!!!

@scottmcshannon6821 4 ай бұрын

are any of them currently getting any maintenance?@@joejohnson1454

@ssm445 4 ай бұрын

Guess pain-in-the-ass is the right term. "Deal breaker" would be a bit overblown. It's like those USB adapters. Just a pain in the ass 😅

@Hurricanemarty 4 ай бұрын

Infrastructure anxiety is real

@777Outrigger 3 ай бұрын

It maybe fairly easy for me or you, but I can tell you it's not for my wife. She recently took a long out and back road trip in her Model Y where she had to charge once at a Supercharger. The only 2 backups were a couple of Chargepoints along the way. As the day approached, I thought, she needs to learn how to use the CCS to NACS adapter and get the Chargepoint app on her phone. I took her to a Chargepoint charger and had her do the whole process with the app and adapter. I can tell you that she struggled with it, even though she finally did it. The degree of difficulty for using a big adapter maybe only a 2 of 10 for you and me, but for my wife and some other women it's more like a 4. And that means in buying an EV, needing to use a big adapter every time you charge is a deal-killer for her. So no CCS ports for her.

@teoengchin 5 ай бұрын

I believe there's also a segment of EV users who charge 99% at home anyway. For them, the Teala supercharger network would be less of a factor in their purchasing decision

@christopherj2231 5 ай бұрын

Yes.

@luthersembria4092 5 ай бұрын

Agreed

@BlackWhiteEagle 4 ай бұрын

It’s not only the charging network, it’s also the superior software and updates. I regret not getting a Tesla

@TwelveBravo 4 ай бұрын

I fall into this segment. And the only reason I don’t regret getting a Tesla is that I prefer to take my wife’s ICE car on roadtrips.

@markmiller8903 4 ай бұрын

What factors do they use to make a wrong decision and buy an EV??

@tombudetti5502 5 ай бұрын

I have 2 CCS cars. We only fast charge 2-3 times per year. Having an adapter is no big deal. Even if I had a NACS port I would still have a CCS adapter as a back up plan.

@LuKiSCraft 5 ай бұрын

I have a NACS port and I don't have a CCS adapter. There's basically zero point. The number of NACS chargers totally dwarfs the number of CCS chargers. I mainly use my car for road trips & probably supercharge ~40 times per year

@ouethojlkjn 5 ай бұрын

I was surprised to research that there is no such thing as an adapter for the older and much less common Chademo standard. so if you buy one of the few remaining Japanese who still persevere with it like the Nissan Leaf, you can’t get an adapter.::

@petesig93 5 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn I think there IS. I have a set of connector charging tails that enable me to charge at a CHAdeMo charger with my Type 2/CCS car. I am not sure about it working in reverse but I would reckon there must be adaptors.

@ouethojlkjn 5 ай бұрын

@@petesig93 Thanks for responding - I was all set to buy an older Nissan [chademo] in the UK assuming there were adapters but all the research I did said "not possible" and in the end I did not buy. I would be very interested to know if such a thing does indeed exist. But I could not uncover it. There are few Chademo adapters in the UK compared to the much more common CCS.

@Marker-er3ro 5 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn I don’t think it exists either, something with the communication protocols not being compliant.

@NIKAS07 4 ай бұрын

Millions successfully travel to foreign lands to find differing wall outlets and socket styles. Very few panic and go back to the airport when they realise nothing fits. They just buy one of the many simple adapters designed to effectively remedy the convenience barrier, and resume their day. No different with EVs.

@macmcleod1188 4 күн бұрын

Not completely true. You need to be careful with electric hair dryers.

@daved976 3 күн бұрын

All true but that is super annoying and doesn’t always work well

@Marker-er3ro 5 ай бұрын

I don’t disagree long term with the need for a single standard, but at the same time in the last 12 months I’ve solely charged my Q4 (CCS) at home in my garage. The one road trip I did, i just used our ICE car.

@ouethojlkjn 5 ай бұрын

CCS is the common standard in Europe and the UK. The cable is a bit heavy and awkward, but no big deal. As long as adapters are available, I guess both types will hang around. I think is more important is the Tesla supercharger network which was around first and is everywhere you would like them to be is now open to non-teslas. It also lends credence to the assertion that Tesla is trying to electrify transport because if I were a competitor and in the lead I certainly wouldn’t be giving the competition the means to try and catch me up.!!

@777Outrigger 3 ай бұрын

It will hurt your resale value. It's kind of like buying a car with a crank just before the electric starter came out.

@altoclef6688 5 ай бұрын

The charging standard argument is an American thing. Here in Europe vehicles are sold with Mennekes connector plus CCS, this goes for Teslas as well. (Nissan Leaf is still sold with ChaDeMo, but that is an exception to the rule).

@PurpleAlienPlanet 19 күн бұрын

And there are CCS to ChaDeMo adapters becoming available.

@acolon8999 5 ай бұрын

I believe that it won't affect those outside North America, those that charge at home 100% of the time, don't take long distance trips very often and plan to keep the car for over a decade.

@grahamf695 5 ай бұрын

I score on 3/4 and nearly on the fourth.

@TheExumRidge 5 ай бұрын

John is correct for new cars, in the USA. Someday a used CCS will be a good deal for those with home charging, think second and third cars.

@yesimhere7285 5 ай бұрын

This is EXACTLY why I just leased my 2023 Ionic 5 for just two years. The lease allowed me to get the $7500 discount. By limiting the length of the lease to two years I figured there would be enough battery changes that I'd want to take advantage of. The change to NACS, which happened a few months after I started my lease was just the icing on the cake. The only mistake I made was not selling my 2020 Leaf when I was offered $31,000 from the dealership I leased it from. I ended up selling it seven months later for $14,000. Oh well. I did get a much better deal on the Ionic by waiting those seven months so I suspect it's pretty much a wash. I'm certainly looking forward to what will come in June 2025!

@markmiller8903 4 ай бұрын

Your biggest mistake is you bought an EV along with all the pollution and danger to your family.

@packetattack7437 4 ай бұрын

Hyundai has had a massive spate of issues with the ICCU, causing a 5 amp draw on the starter (non traction) battery. ICCU units are backordered for months. These cars are becoming too computerized for my liking, I don't need all of these bells and whistles in a car. Just be reliable first and foremost.

@silverdale3207 4 ай бұрын

Did you own your leaf or lease it, your statement is a little confusing.

@yesimhere7285 4 ай бұрын

@@silverdale3207 I had a three year lease and then bought it at the end of the lease. Owned it for about six months before I traded it in on the Ionic. Wish now I had sold it at the end of the lease!

@georgemcinnes8668 5 ай бұрын

All the new charging stations in Australia are the ccs I haven't seen any suggestions that they are changing anytime soon .

@jimgraham6722 5 ай бұрын

Agree, CCS2 does support high power AC charging up to as bout 20 KW (240V three phase at 30A). I have a friend who had this installed in his garage for about $2,000. I use a simple 240V 15A GPO which easily handles 3KW charging. Installation cost was $600. It has proved more to han adequate for our needs. The slimline CCS2 AC only connector is quite light, comparable to NACS It's only the DC component that adds weight due to the heavier conductors needed for up to 250KW vs those for 20KW.

@j.4941 5 ай бұрын

They won’t. This is a US-only discussion. CCS2 everywhere else isn’t going anywhere.

@davestagner 5 ай бұрын

I’m looking at getting my first EV (in the US) in the next few months. I’ve decided I’ll just lease a Tesla Model Y for the next three years, then consider what to buy. The reason is waiting for everyone else to start using NACS. Historically, I’ve bought new and kept cars for a LONG time - I’ve only owned two cars in the past 25 years. So committing to anything else right now feels foolish, but I don’t want Tesla to be my only choice. I test-drove an Ioniq 5 and was very impressed, and in three years I might be able to get a Rivian R2!

@dp1927 5 ай бұрын

isn't tesla lease notoriously bad deal? i'd rather buy and sell

@ouethojlkjn 5 ай бұрын

We have had a Tesla model Y for nearly 2 years in the UK and you won’t go wrong it’s a brilliant all-rounder. I have to say in my view, check out Tesla first, and if it really doesn’t work for you opt for something else. As a long-term proposition, I don’t see anything being better than Tesla.

@davestagner 5 ай бұрын

@@dp1927 Yes, the Tesla lease is a bad deal. I think all leasing is a bad deal, considering my habit of buying cars new and keeping them for over a decade. But right now, Tesla is the only available car with NACS charging, which is clearly the Future. Non-NACS is a legacy system, and I don’t want to be tied to a system that may be hard to find and unreliable in ten years. Three years from now, most of the EVs on the market will have NACS charging, and there will be more affordable choices (“affordable” for me means under $60k). Early washouts and walking dead legacy vendors will be more obvious, too. Three years from now, I will have non-Tesla choices that I can feel confident are future-proofed. That’s worth putting up with a few years of a lousy lease deal.

@ronkonkoma4223 5 ай бұрын

Other than the Roadster, Every Tesla is funny looking. The Fisker Ocean is winning awards over seas and is a really cool car!

@markmiller8903 4 ай бұрын

Stick with ICE cars.

@cjs1948 5 ай бұрын

Since most charging will be done at home anyway, using an adapter when on the road will not be a big deal. All will be fine--at least with charging.

@JWY 5 ай бұрын

17,000 miles with our 23 Bolt ev and no real problems - actually it's been superb. Chevrolet came through on all promises: they paid for our home charger and house rewiring, they have provided all the ev promised and so far service cost seems fine.

@hiloviking 4 ай бұрын

GM has announced they will stop production after Dec 20, 2023. So no more Bolts will be made, they were losing $2 k per Bolt made. Factory is being retooled for other EV models.

@markmiller8903 4 ай бұрын

What about the slaves in the Congo?

@user-vj9hy8dw9e 4 ай бұрын

This did not happen and you know it did not happen. They paid to rewire your house eh? give me a break, you EV bots are everywhere. It is being rejected and this takeover will fail.

@gowanduff7501 5 ай бұрын

John's comments are on track for North America. My limited experience in NZ with public charging is that Charge net in Wanganui and Palmerston North, had 50kw chargers with two connectors: one CCS2 and one with Chademo. The owner of the Tesla model Y , who wished to charge at the same time as we were charging our MG4, had to wait a few minutes for us to put in 20 minutes charge before he could connect, as both chargers were in use or the Chademo plugs were not suitable. It seems for practical purposes, NZ and Australia should consider the NACS connector as a global standard. We should make the changes now to be ready for the needs of our grandchildren.

@martalli 5 ай бұрын

I agree. At the moment, in North America, Tesla is head and shoulders above the competition. They already have the NACS chargers, and years of experience making EVs. I have a Bolt and a Tesla. GM's 7-8 years of experience with EVs is not in evidence in my 2023 Bolt. Perhaps some manufacturers have great offerings, but they rely on dealers who are at best surly about EVs, have the wrong charger, and have sketchy experience with batteries. Look at the apparently great Hyundais with stories of CDN $50k+ replacement fees after minimal damage. The price is likely wrong, but also the news about these replacement fees seems to stem from dealer inexperience with batteries or unwillingness to understand batteries.

@ObiePaddles 5 ай бұрын

We are currently very early in the EV transition so let’s go to this brilliant global standard, even though I have a CCS2 equiped Tesla in NZ.

@alexw7981 5 ай бұрын

The global standard is CCS 2 and it is used by Tesla EXCLUSIVELY for most cars around the world now anyway

@martalli 5 ай бұрын

@@alexw7981 The difference is that most of the world uses 240 volts, 3 phase AC. The US and Canada are using 120 volt, 2 phase AC. I'm not an electrical engineer, but apparently that's why the number of pins necessary for AC charging is different

@cosmic_diver 5 ай бұрын

"Needs of our grandchildren"?, ha ha ha

@Xyquest 5 ай бұрын

I am buying a CCS Bolt tomorrow because it only has 14000 miles, a brand new battery, and cost $12000 after a $4000 rebate. It's almost a new car for that price! A used Tesla cost way more and will be out of warranty. I'll use the adapter for that deal. My other car is a LEAF with CHADEMO.

@bentaxelrod 5 ай бұрын

Perhaps in the US. The Queensland non Tesla charging network is better than Tesla. I bought an Ioniq 6 which is far superior to a model 3.

@williammann9816 5 ай бұрын

The headache of fast charging a vehicle in the US with non-Tesla charger are ridiculous. I travel up and down I-95 and much fewer CCS chargers and often times broken or reduced charging or lines due to few chargers.

@rmorales1029 5 ай бұрын

Let’s not forget 85-90% of EV charging will still be done at home where if you currently have a CCS connection you will be fine. I wouldn’t loose sleep over this change to NACS if you currently have a CCS EV.

@markuc 5 ай бұрын

Again, Americans making statements about the world that's only applicable to the American market, while the American market becomes more protectionist and isolated. He is right about one thing, John's comment is ridiculous.

@markthomas7279 5 ай бұрын

Well, you hit the ink. But tell me the black ink. What is the way forward in your opinion?

@Mrbfgray 5 ай бұрын

More protectionist and isolated? That opinion lacks historical accuracy.

@fredrikdahlinwinscher8881 5 ай бұрын

@@markthomas7279 as he said this only applies in the US, it does not appliy in EU for example. because in EU Tesla is using the CCS and by some miracle can still use all of the Tesla gadgets. So the way forward is that this only applies for US.

@markuc 5 ай бұрын

@@phillipbanes5484 except here it's specifically targeted at John because he's only talking about the short sighted American government funding bill which should not have implications for the rest of the world. Tesla is great but there are so many other EV brands that the parochial American exceptionalism does not even allow to exist.

@ouethojlkjn 5 ай бұрын

I don’t know, I heard recently that France have put the boot into China that sounds pretty protectionist to me….

@WQuietHawk 4 ай бұрын

John Goreham is crazy to make such a broad spectrum statement. My dad is interested in getting an EV for his next car but could never drive a Tesla due to his neuropathy and arthritis. Touch screens are impossible to use for many disabled drivers, stalks are necessary for directionals and wipers for those with limited dexterity, and square wheels are hard (therefore dangerous) to manipulate when backing up, for people with limited coordination. And I don't even think my dad could get into a Tesla if he had to fiddle with a card. But, one thing he could do is plug in any type of connector in his garage, he'd never drive more than 30 miles in a day. This might be representative of only ~7% of the driving population, but that's still millions of cars.

@edwardk779 5 ай бұрын

I have a 2022 ioniq 5 which I bought 18 months ago. The only thing I do not like about the EV experience is the CCS plug and cable. Too heavy and hard to plug in. I am so happy the NACS will be the standard. I am confident Hyundai or someone else will have a dongle available sometime in 2025. It will be much easier to plug the dongle into my CCS port and then plug the lighter NACS cable into the dongle.

@lrg3834 5 ай бұрын

The man is right. Why would you want to buy a used EV with an outdated charging port arrangement? Believe Sony had the same problem when North America standardised on VHS years back.

@stevemcmechan6444 5 ай бұрын

@electricviking this is not at all relative for nz and Australia which use the cc2 standard and that won’t be changing any time soon as it is the main std that has been adopted and used by everyone including Tesla. Nacs will likely be a charger port upgrade for many evs in North America for those who don’t want to use an adaptor and heck even using an adaptor is no big deal at all.

@WestCoastChicano 5 ай бұрын

I've got a 2023 Chevy Bolt EV and I just read that starting in February GM and Ford owners will have access to Tesla's entire Super Charger network in the USA. Apparently Tesla will start selling adapters to GM and Ford EV owners around that time. Gr8 vid as usual.🚗🇺🇸🔌⚡

@dmere123ify 5 ай бұрын

Would it be surprising if many CCS models are still selling in the US in two years time. These companies tend to move at glacial speeds when making significant changes.

@LuKiSCraft 5 ай бұрын

@@dmere123ify 100%. I think most OEM's will have NACS by early 2025 though. If not, short their stock lmao

@mikejansen9798 5 ай бұрын

Only a portion of Tesla Supercharger network will be available to non-Tesla vehicles and at higher rates. Still pays to go with the leader, IMO.

@LuKiSCraft 5 ай бұрын

@@mikejansen9798 True. I think Tesla is already offering a "subscription" for like $11.99/month to get the same rates (per kWh) as Tesla owners

@Carnutzjoe 5 ай бұрын

At the moment there are a lot of USED Chevy Bolts in great shape and at super low prices. I got a 21 for

@HectorGarcia-nb2ld 5 ай бұрын

Still junk

@antibureaucrat 5 ай бұрын

As you noted there will be an adapter and the other automakers will have to adjust/modify their software - as long as the software is good, no problem. I don't see this as a big deal. My smaller and Much Less Expensive GM Bolt will work fine as it does now and it actually has buttons to control a lot of the driver functions rather than having to interface with a giant iPad-like screen while you're driving (STupid in my opinion). I think the main allure for a Tesla is that massive tire wasting acceleration, whereas my Bolt zips around just fine. It is Far from perfect (it is a Chevy) but to base your purchase decision just because of a certain plug (which you don't need at home - you adapter just STAYS in the car) seems rather short sighted. Musk is a good sales/hype person, but it's the head start and enthusiasm of his engineering teams that have made Tesla the dominant player. If you're planning on buying a BEV I would consider my needs, wants and likes for everyday use rather than that plug.

@chiplangowski3298 5 ай бұрын

Good post. We own both a Tesla Model Y and a Chevy Bolt. In many ways, the Bolt is the better car. It is the one that we drive the most for around town driving. The Tesla is much, much faster but that is the only area in which it is unquestionably better even though it cost more than twice as much.

@ouethojlkjn 5 ай бұрын

I never understood why the bolt was never imported into the UK because I thought it would have sold like hotcakes. Instead I opted for a model three standard range, but have not regretted it. The screen takes about two seconds to get used to. You also have voice commands for everything, so you don’t need to be hunting for a button. But if the bolt had been in the UK for an attractive price, I certainly would’ve got one.

@worldtrav72 5 ай бұрын

As far as the US is concerned…yep. CCS was a total pain in the ass…I preferred to burn gas rather than try to plug in my CCS PHEV. Now we are on NACS and it just works flawlessly. Once Hyundai/Kia switch to NACS, it’s game on though. They have great EVs.

@TheNewMediaoftheDawn 5 ай бұрын

EV owners typically have home charging/and or own second ICE cars, and would be crazy not to, so road charging is much less important and can be planned ahead for road trips, and of course an adapter is a small price to pay for the occasional road charge….

@ladyeowyn42 5 ай бұрын

I’m getting an affordable 2018 with a new battery. By the time the new standard cars are affordable (pre owned) in 2028, I’ll be ready to upgrade. Home charging can meet all my needs until then.

@carrievh8686 5 ай бұрын

John is talking about the US. Europe: Every charger (including Tesla's) must use CCS2. China: Every charger (including Tesla's) must use GB/T.

@Zobeid 5 ай бұрын

No, sorry, I must dispute. Using an adapter shouldn't be a big deal for most people. If most of your charging is done at home, it's not relevant there. So, it's only needed when you're charging on a trip far enough away from home, out of town, and there are a lot of people who don't really do that too often. They'll be fine. But what about. . . Depreciation? Will it charge at full speed? Will the software be any good? Okay, you can ask those questions, but then you can ask most of the same questions about the upcoming non-Tesla NACS-equipped cars as well. We haven't seen how well those car makers are going to handle the transition. You might hold out and wait for a NACS car from Ford, GM, etc., only to find that the first NACS cars they put out haven't really solved all their problems either. Nobody's got a crystal ball, and many of these companies don't have a great track record thus far, especially with software.

@Xyquest 5 ай бұрын

I always look for cars that have depreciated and get good deals. My first EV was a LEAF for $8000 and second a Bolt for $12000 with a brand new battery.

@baldisaerodynamic9692 5 ай бұрын

people often will buy a cheap adapter, and we all know what happens with cheap products....just think of a cheap iphone cable VS a decent one that is MFI cert.

@ezrhino100 2 ай бұрын

the chevy bolt is probably the most underrated vehicle right now. the prices are plummeting too. it's cheap, small and fast. it's important to realize how impracticle EVs are. however, the smaller the vehicle, the better. The sheer size of the battery on a Tesla makes it a ticking bomb. I love the Bolt because of the parking and the space. It zips around town and you can navigate through traffic like nobody's business... it's a good golf cart, which is the real purpose of electric vehicles.

@JesseAaronSafir 5 ай бұрын

Well I recently got a Bolt EUV and I LOVE it except that I have to charge for an hour for every 3 hours of driving on the highway. That's stopping for a meal and it requires some planning. I AM grateful that there are enough free CCS and J1772 chargers that I've paid virtually nothing to drive the first 7000 miles on it. That wouldn't be an option if it had NACS, at least I don't think there would be many free DCFC options. I'm eager to hear about the adapter plan for us CCS owners and I'm not happy about the depreciation except that maybe it'll make acquiring more used CCS cars cheap in the near future.

@jimgraham6722 5 ай бұрын

Our family have operated both a TM3 and BYD Atto3 for well over a year. They are in many respects very similar: 150KW power, 60KWHr batteries, 400-450km range, 5 seats, CCS2 charging etc. Both are generally speaking very practical vehicles and inservice have been very reliable and dirt cheap to operate. The differences are: TM3 has much better acceleration and handling and faster fast charging rate. However, the Atto has much better ride, a much better range of accessories, much better ergonomics (particularly as set up for right hand drive), much better access (much easier to get in and out), more cabin space, better screen and software and in my view better fit and finish. To boot the Atto is $15,000 less costly. You buy what you need but to my mind the choice is fairly clear.

@Tschacki_Quacki 5 ай бұрын

Better screen and software? Care to explain?

@robsengahay5614 5 ай бұрын

We have a M3 and test drove the Atto 3. The minuses for us were that the Atto3 didn’t offer one pedal driving and the fixed front head rests were extremely uncomfortable. I haven’t heard any reviewers mention this latter point strangely.

@Paul-ow9dd 5 ай бұрын

@@robsengahay5614 Not uncomfortable in our Atto 3. Not perfect, but nothing we would complain about. Whilst one pedal driving would be a good option if BYD could add it via software and have a slider control for driver preference, it's not for everyone, but an option would be nice.

@jimgraham6722 5 ай бұрын

@@robsengahay5614I normally drive the Atto using adaptive cruise so it is no pedal driving. As for seating, it is strange. I find the Atto seating very good

@maxflight777 5 ай бұрын

easier to get out of ? How old are you ? 😂

@stevevillanueva2803 5 ай бұрын

Lease a Polestar or EV of choice that offers the lease option! In 24 - 36 months I'll turn it in for the next iteration which will have better range and faster NACS charging. I won't have to worry about depreciation or obsolescence, and my monthly payment is significantly cheaper than buying. Because EVs are advancing in leaps and bounds on an almost per-fiscal-quarter basis, to me leasing made more sense.

@HectorGarcia-nb2ld 5 ай бұрын

Stupid

@worldtrav72 5 ай бұрын

Wasn’t the calculated / estimated depreciation really high on the lease?

@joeltrail8186 5 ай бұрын

Yes, a lease payment is less than buy-in (assuming a purchase plan less than 7 years, and Tesla offers up to 8 OAC). However, on a lease you get no equity into th vehicle, so that locks you into leasing or buying another vehicle much sooner than most people otherwise would have done. It's like getting a loan with 100% financing or interest and no principle payment. Non-teslas will offer you a "discount" to buy the previously leased EV, but realistically anyone should be able to get that price for the used EV. Given that an average investment of money would get you 6%, which is around the level of price inflation some years, it's a huge net loss. Any car lease is basically burning money unless it provides you tax refund incentives or business expense write-offs. Even then, more efficient expenses (ones that actually hep make you money) could be used instead, so it's not the best alternative. I would need some beneficial connection with the car manufacturer or an edge in how the vehicle improves y imgehomake such a sacrifice. If you lot for such a thing in n EV, there's nobody better than Tesla, so that's another argument why losing still makes no sense.

@dkostasx 5 ай бұрын

Most BEVs will be charged at home anyway, so it really does not matter much. I have CHAdeMO connector on my PHEV and used in only once in 4 years and only to see how it works. It makes absolutely no sense to overpay for electricity while using public chargers unless you are on some long trip somewhere once or twice a year. For some frequent travelers the message is clear, get the Tesla and for anyone else, I would say get what you want as all connectors will be compatible sooner or later either directly or via adapter. Even CHAdeMO DC charging plug is now almost available for CCS chargers.

@chrisborns5972 5 ай бұрын

This guy makes so much sense. The tech in Tesla vehicles are so much better engineered proven iterated on. Better charging network better software availability in the future even if you don't get it initially. Long pack life's due to battery management far developed beyond competitors. Other cars will not be supported by bankrupt OEMs. Lighter, faster, safer and better software experience.

@FSGallipoli 5 ай бұрын

I own both Tesla and Fisker, Fisker is my preferred ride right now, and I have much better handling, driving, and attention to detail interior and exterior. Mu h better and Fun to drive. It charges %20 to %80 in about 25-30 min. And Fisker's car insurance costs less than Tesla. With Jonas logic Apple is using Usb-c plug for charging right now that means Samsung is better than Apple. 😂

@Galileo9.81 4 ай бұрын

We all agree that Tesla isn't the only best EV maker. However, there really aren't many other choices especially in the US. I would still choose Tesla from the fact that it has longer range than most other brands and access to the supercharger network. I know I mainly use my Tesla for commuting and I rarely charge it other than home. But, my recent interstate trip from Florida to Colorado proved it that the SCN is the very most reason to get Tesla! Since, I now live in an apartment, I charge at the nearest supercharging station, and it's always working and quick. If someone can come up with a scoring system to compare EVs by model and brand, I think the public charging availability is the biggest factor in valuing EVs. Thanks for the video, Sam.

@CareyGrayson 5 ай бұрын

It's called a voluntary recall where automakers offer to change out your old charging cord for a new one but at a 'charge.' See what I did there?

@camronrubin8599 5 ай бұрын

the bolt is $10k cheaper and actually qualifies for an immediate $7500 discount in America . A Tesla is certainly worth more than a bolt , but not double.

@praiha 5 ай бұрын

Outside America, you can get a BYD, KIA, Hyundai, Polestar etc. with 1% financing, while Tesla is still 5.2% or something like that.

@Carisbrook71 5 ай бұрын

It's simple - just incorporate the adaptor head required into the charging station unit. Enter the car type on arrival into the charging station screen and the unit then releases the head type needed ... It's not up to the owners to carry around adaptors. On another note - once countries adopt the NIO power charging infrastructure and swap model all problems will be solved. Move on Viking. Please let your subscribers know any underlying interest you have in Tesla. I'm tipping you're a shareholder. Bias everywhere again Mr Viking.

@douglaswatt1582 5 ай бұрын

Total rubbish on all counts. Nobody's interested in paying for battery swapping. And Sam is not a Tesla shareholder. Get some grounding and skip the righteousness

@enricodc1 5 күн бұрын

So overblown. I rarely need to use a public charge station anyway. But if I didn’t have an EV already, I’d be concerned enough to find out what the manufacturer was doing about this in Australia before deciding on a purchase.

@LouDeVere 5 ай бұрын

The NACS standard being implemented for North America I can understand as it makes a lot of sense to standardise the plugs used to charge all EVs. However, NACS doesn't support three phase charging as we have in Australia, NZ and I would imagine many countries in Asia and Europe. I read an article on the NACS standard being adopted here in Australia and I read that it wasn't possible because of the way our power distribution is set up which is very different to that in North America. It is a pity that the world doesn't utilise the same standards but in reality, European, Asian or Aussie cars are never going to drive on North American roads so really, it's a bit of an irrelevance.

@brilanto 5 ай бұрын

That simply shifts the sales of CCS cars to Europe, away from the US. RHD countries have their special treatment, as does China with its own charging standard. International car manufacturers still have to provide different standards - just US consumers get a uniform experience in a vastly greater network.

@davidpearn5925 5 ай бұрын

It’s all irrelevant in the biggest markets China/SE Asia/Oceania and Europe. Tesla is of America by America for America and the only customers listened to are Americans. Roundabouts matter…….but Americans doesn’t have them. Dummkopf !

@joshuarosen465 5 ай бұрын

The only country outside of North America that's likely to go NACS is South Korea. They use the same 120V AC standard as the US and Superchargers there are Tesla plugs not CCS. Korea uses CCS1 which is essentially dead, pushing up the daisies, kicked the bucket, shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. Now that Hyundai/Kia have gone NACS in the US it makes no sense for them to stay with CCS1 at home. 240V countries are stuck with CCS2 forever. The EU mandated it so Tesla never had a chance to develop a three phase version of their plug. The same pressure for an alternative isn't present in the EU like it was in the US. The CCS2 networks mostly work, the US CCS1 networks don't. If Electrify American hadn't made a dogs breakfast out of their network NACS never would have happened. If Jim Farley hadn't tried to do a road trip in an F150 Lightning NACS wouldn't have happened either because the management of the legacy automakers were blissfully unaware of how bad EA was.

@RyoshiKuraOka 5 ай бұрын

Tesla Superchargers in the US run on a three phase 480 volt supply circuit. They convert the AC supply to a DC supply inside the supercharger and supply DC current to the car, unlike the level 2 charges that provide AC current to the car where the car's internal charging unit convert the current to DC. There in no reason that the NACS charging standard can't be adapted to any of the voltage standards used worldwide. Australian residential voltage standard is single phase 220-240 volts at 50 HZ (US is 60 HZ). the current Tesla level 2 charger already supports both 50 HZ and 60 HZ.

@chetsaxton1526 5 ай бұрын

I see you don't know how US houses are wired. Incoming power to the breaker box is three phase, we just split the 240 v three phase into two sets of 120v single phase single breaker. But if you use 2 breakers (line 1 and line 2) you return the source to 240v three phase for level 2 charging.

@timothyreynolds6255 4 ай бұрын

Just subscribed after 2 videos that were clear, concise, informative. Thanks.

@electricviking 4 ай бұрын

Thanks and welcome

@antoinepageau8336 5 ай бұрын

100% agree go NACS or go home. Unless all you do is get groceries with your car and plan to keep it 20 years. We’re on 84,000 km with our 2022 model 3 and I can’t imagine having lived with anything else, at least here in Canada.

@frankcoffey 5 ай бұрын

If you always charge at home it won't matter if it's CCS. However, if you invest in a wall charger for the garage don't get a CCS only one. Get the Tesla Universal Wall Connector because it has both plugs available so you can use it with your CCS car now and with your next car also.

@chiplangowski3298 5 ай бұрын

I charge my Tesla using the in-garage CCS charger that was installed for our Chevy Bolt. All of this really doesn't matter as much as it is being made out to.

@deanothedinosaur9069 5 ай бұрын

If the software on my phone is considered ancient in 3 years. What is going to happen to these EV'S after we rv3 to 5 years?

@treborsirrah7916 5 ай бұрын

Tesla does OTA over the air updates

@davidmaxwaterman 5 ай бұрын

What software doesn't have the ability to add or remove chargers? Chargers are added to and removed from networks all the time.

@Ranter-cy5dn 5 ай бұрын

It seems that NACs can't (in the short term) become the standard in Australia - CCS2 here to stay for some time.

@j.4941 5 ай бұрын

Don’t worry, the whole discussion is entirely pointless in the rest of the world: It’s CCS2 everywhere except the US and since the US is only the third largest market for EVs, there’s no reason at all to expect all the rest of the world would convert to NACS. The video is misleading in that sense that there is no „secret protocol advantage“ in NACS over CCS: my Tesla in Europe works totally fine with its CCS2-port, all features are there. This is a US-only debate.

@donnairn3419 5 ай бұрын

All technology becomes obsolete. This argument seems valid in North America. Australian tesla comes with ccs China and Europe have no plans to change. Something to watch but as I have an EV I wont scrap it yet. How complicated would it be to put a different plug/socket on the car? I only need to charge away from home on holidays an adaptor seem a modest inconvenience.

@mayhem8166 5 ай бұрын

They should make the charge ports recessed and have an adapter that fits over the recessed port for chademo, CCS or NACS then it will always be upgradable to whichever standard or country the car goes to. (Although the best part is no part so perhaps that's a bad idea)

@bigwhimsy2236 5 ай бұрын

Someone we never heard of, said something wrong, got it!

@tomlovell3756 5 ай бұрын

So glad that I brought a 2023 Tesla model 3 in September of 2023.

@lowelindroth7053 5 ай бұрын

Newsflash: there is a world outside of the US - where we use CCS! Even Teslas outside of the US are delivered with CCS contacts in the car. AND, in the US, Tesla is now equipping Superchargers with adapters so that CCS equipped cars can charge there. Really weird to see this video where one is supposed to think that there is totally unthinkable that there could actually be an EV market outside of the US....

@bearcubdaycare 5 ай бұрын

I was sceptical at the start of the video about the connector issue, having used an adapter to fast charge my Tesla no problem. But taken all together, his points make sense. However, the biggest point I think is... Tesla makes a profit, and makes more EVs than all the rest combined, while the other makers are constantly in and out of EVs, cancelling models and making new ones. Who wants to have an orphan vehicle that no one will make parts for, because it was only built for a few years, with low numbers, then abandoned? While Tesla makes the best selling car model in the world (not just best selling EV, but best selling car model of any type), so is quite a bit more likely to be around.

@AllDogsAreGoodDogs 5 ай бұрын

I want a Canoo with NACS!

@TwelveBravo 4 ай бұрын

I fall into the bucket of people that slightly regret not getting a Tesla. I bought my Polestar 2 back in March of 2023, and unwisely not even considering the charging standard being an issue. I thought they would just build more CCS chargers, and there would be mainly two standards (Tesla and CCS). The only reason I don’t fully regret it, is if I’m taking a longer roadtrip, say 500 miles, I prefer to take my wife’s SUV. Just so much faster using ICE for the 1,000 plus mile road trips. But I know the depreciation will hit it hard, but the car suits my needs like 99% of the time because I charge at home. The only issue is when I go to get a new car, my car won’t be worth nearly as much as I thought it would be. Oh well, early adopter penalty.

@vjwebster 3 ай бұрын

My experience too. We have 2 Teslas and they are dirt cheap to run and just mind-blowingly good and reliable. Could never buy a fossilmobile again!

@mattchristie1810 5 ай бұрын

If a massive market like domestic car ownership is so warped that only one brand is worth having, then you have a messed up market. This demonstrates exactly why there’s so many people who refuse to jump into the EV market. It’s still an early adopter’s game and will be for another 10 years. A game for the rich and/or foolish.

@panameradan6860 4 ай бұрын

CCS is not dead... It's being supported along with NACS and has to be, because so very many CCS cars are out there now in North America. This isn't like Chademo, where only a very small number of BEVs had that charging port; at least 1M CCS cars are on the streets of the US, and counting. CCS won't be replaced in any American-sold non-Tesla BEVs for another year or so, and that roll-out might be slow (i.e., many might not get NACS ports until 2026). So the number of CCS cars in the US is growing rapidly. The US federal funding for chargers will mandate both NACS and CCS chargers. As for it being "dumb" to buy a BEV that's not a Tesla, I can argue that it's "dumb" to buy a Tesla if buying a BEV. So many other BEVs are just made better and safer, and they don't have the stigma of Elon Musk attached. Most people use their BEVs entirely (or almost entirely) within a hundred or so miles of home and charge exclusively at home -- using either a PHEV or an ICEV in their stable for longer trips, or simply renting an ICEV for out-of-town travel. Only the very few who venture out on long road trips in their BEVs may wish they had a Tesla (vs. pre-NACS non-Tesla BEVs). The interiors and exteriors of Teslas really suck in my view, and in the views of many others. Most people want physical buttons/dials for climate controls, etc. (indeed, the federal government should ban the touching of touchscreens while the car is in motion, just as states have done for cellphones), most people don't want all-glass roofs, most people don't want retarded electronic receding door handles, and most people want a good instrument panel in front of them.

@DJ-Illuminate 13 күн бұрын

I agree. It would be like buying a computer before they put ethernet into them for Internet connections. You need enough cameras on the auto for FSD in the future. Most don't have cameras and are not even planning for AI self driving.

@Bikerbug2020 5 ай бұрын

He is correct when speaking of North America….Tesla is installing CCS compatible chargers into the V3 stations… Kim Java made a video on it.

@chiplangowski3298 5 ай бұрын

The Supercharger network (and NACS charging, by extension) is the primary reason I bought my Model Y this year instead of any other manufacturer's vehicle. But to predict doom and gloom for existing cars that use CCS is just hysterical drama. It is certainly beneficial for everyone that new cars are adopting NACS. And a new car shopper would be wise to insist on NACS. But the impact to use an adapter for charging is practically zero. This is especially true of the 80% plus of people that do most of their charging at home. In fact, a used car shopper might search out a car that uses CCS just to get a better deal on the car.

@MarksElectricLife 5 ай бұрын

NACS is only supplied in North America. Buy a Tesla in anywhere else and it ships with CCS2. CCS2 is a much smaller and lighter plug than the ugly CCS1 plugs currently being used in USA. NACS is nice and compact but doesn’t support 3-phase for high speed AC charging. It doesn’t have enough conductors so no adaptor can fix this. It’s no forgone conclusion that NACS will become an international standard.

@brucekennedy5274 5 ай бұрын

It’s a fair point. We all want a universal charging standard and I can’t see it being anything else but Tesla at this stage. I would however note that the vast majority of charging is done at home whenever possible. So while I agree having a car with a Teslas charging port is by far the optimum choice, I don’t know it it’s quite such the massive downside being stated here. If you really badly want that Audi, VW, Hyundai, etc over a Tesla, for whatever reason right now, you are able to charge at home, and you plan to keep it, as opposed to trade up in 2 yrs time at a big potential loss, I’m not sure this should keep you awake at night.

@user-ox4vu2fi8z 3 ай бұрын

The problem is the charging network or lack thereof. Outside of Tesla the ability to charge on the road is a real question. When you get to the charger there is a real question that it will even be working.

@vulpixelful 5 ай бұрын

There's no point in making the choice based on charging on the road if you charge at home most of the time. The few times you need to charge on the road, an adapter (and the Tesla app if it's a Supercharger) will do. Cars are depreciating assets, who cares about resale value? As long as your downpayment is strong, you'll get as ahead of the depreciation curve you're gonna get with EVs.

@mfurmyr 5 ай бұрын

Well in Europe it is CCS all the way and CCS is the standard on Tesla cars sold in Europe. Tesla is the winner in one segment, but brands like VW can offer electric cars in several segments. The Id BUZZ van is very popular in Norway. You will see thousands on the road. The 8 seaters from Stellantis and Toyota are popular in Norway. The Ford Transit and Transit Custom are popular cars. The new Renault Master can drive over 400 km on one charge.

@loganboyd 4 ай бұрын

They're right, just wait till 2025 when NACS ports are in the other EVs, it will make your life so much easier. My R1S reservation is ready to go but I won't pull the trigger on it until NACS is in place. 7.5 years of Tesla ownership (X, 3, Y, S) and lots of road trips. I'm not doing it without NACS and I don't want to mess with adapters.

@jimbuskist3190 4 күн бұрын

Stuporchargers let you have a safe stoner zone while charging. Vape hits 80 Cents. Could be big out west. I was an X pert once too.

@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu 5 ай бұрын

Anybody with a home charger who does the bulk of their charging at home, has a bit more latitude. And they can buy cheap secondhand EVs for the next 10 years!

@GabrielSBarbaraS 3 ай бұрын

Good Idea to switch to NACS, but I believe more important is for any charger to take a credit card instead of using an app. ( From what I understand though is that Tesla cars can be recognized by the charger and without any input of the driver, the charger can bill the car/driver automatically )

@dyworking 5 ай бұрын

Yes, this will definitely push many buyers to Tesla in the year 2024 and 2025. EV sales will drop for Honda, Acura, VW, Hyundai, Kia, Ford, GM, Nissan, Mercedes and BMW. Good news as this shift in buyers will counteract Teslas lower sales from lost EV tax credits.

@keithmitchell6240 4 ай бұрын

It’s gonna be a huge bummer when I show up with my Tesla at Tesla superchargers and have to wait behind a Ford or a Chevy. It’s literally the reason I bought a Tesla.

@FutureSystem738 5 ай бұрын

I agree with him- and even elsewhere in the world. Did you see the price of a replacement Hyundai Ioniq battery in Canada? Absolute disgusting extortion. Kia is basically the same company. A new Tesla battery is about 1/3 the price.

@NaumRusomarov 4 ай бұрын

makes sense, but tesla evs are still quite costly and not everyone needs to use fast chargers.

@janverbanck 4 ай бұрын

Admitting I'm an EV-dummy for the moment (still a petrolhead): do I understand correctly that not all public charging stations are useable for a specific type of car? So that in fact, I may pull up to a charging station with a near empty battery and simple not be able to connect? If so, how awkward is that...

@Madonsteamrailways 5 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas and happy New Year!!

@777Outrigger 3 ай бұрын

Buying an EV in the US with a CCS port is kind of like buying a car with a crank just before the electric starter came out.

@tonymarvin7698 Ай бұрын

That was great advice Tesla has just dropped the price of model 3 and Y by $8000 in USA

@Secondwind2010 5 ай бұрын

He is right. Make sure you pay cash with Tesla. Any mistakes in the process and they sell your car to the next guy in line. They sell every car.

@i6power30 5 ай бұрын

Those shiny new EVs they've been shoving down our throat just a few months ago are already depreciating in value sharply because of connector change. How is it going to give consumers any confidence future technology charges are not going to obsolete any EVs you buy now?

@douglaswatt1582 5 ай бұрын

Who is shoving electric vehicles down your throat? What planet are you from??

@bossman6174 4 ай бұрын

Nobody is shoving anything down your throat. Like they ever shoved diesels or convertibles or trucks or V8s down our throats. What is your problem with just another choice. A clean one btw. We all love clean air. All my life this f*&cking air pollution has been shoved down into my lungs. Have u ever thought of that.

@taelorwatson9822 5 ай бұрын

I've seen 2022 model y performance for 40k. You can't Beat the amount of range and speed for it. I do wonder when Tesla is going to have a solid state battery. I wish they had a model 3 hatchback in America.

@christover1 5 ай бұрын

ccs2 in Australia should be fine for adaptors.

@bam111965 5 ай бұрын

Love the lease on my Lucid Air. Every EV sold today will be very outdated 3 years from now. Charging ports and protocols are the least important change which will be occur. There are far better EVs out there than every Tesla. I don't ever see myself buying another Tesla.

@gregpointing7228 5 ай бұрын

Isn’t China the biggest producer of EV’s. What standard of charging do they use? Surely this is just a US centric view of the world.

@gabrielvazquez81 4 ай бұрын

In the US I think he's right. However it's based on how you drive. If you routinely have to make long trips I would not buy anything but a Tesla. In the US Tesla is the only reliable charging infrastructure. Lastly, I've owned 3 Teslas and a Chevy bolt, owning a bolt was nightmare due to unreliable charging networks.

@silentjohn80 4 ай бұрын

Nissan Leaf, which still has Chademo charging plug, is still selling well in Norway. CCS2 has been "the standard" for years over here, but customers doesn't seem to care. There are a lot more CCS chargers than Chademo, and no CCS-to-Chademo adapters, so in my eyes this is much worse than the CCS/NACS in North America. The NACS-to-CCS adapters looks pretty small and easy to use, so I wouldn't see this as a big problem.

@dscarty 5 ай бұрын

Osborn effect for all EV makers except Tesla for the next 2 years.

@techringo6469 4 ай бұрын

I agree 100%. I currently own a Tesla and did an experimental road trip using only CCS. It failed. I had to fall back on Tesla SuperChargers twice or wait over an hour to even plug into a charger. I wanted to buy a non-Tesla, but for now I'm staying with the Tesla until I can get something with native NACS charging. Why would I have a car for the next 10-15 years that I have to screw around with an adapter that may or may not work well. Better to just wait for a year. I think the other car makers really screwed up in waiting so long to switch, and then taking over a year and a half to possibly finally deliver a NACS vehicle.

@doughorne2378 4 ай бұрын

I own a Tesla. I live in Australia. I would hate to be charging away from home in anything but my Tesla. The non Tesla charging system here in Oz is so hit and miss I would hate to have to depend on it.

@ksbrst2010 4 ай бұрын

It's not a tough one Tesla had their chance in the EU and decided against it. Instead there are now a lot of companies that produce their own charging stations and since CCS is the standard they pretty much have to use it and Tesla is in no position to change anything. On my ways I would have exactly one Tesla supercharger on the way but more than 50 alternative destinations to charge. So no I think this is a US only position.

@davidmaxwaterman 5 ай бұрын

Chargers are added to and removed from networks all the time. Why is it a problem to add a whole bunch all at once? What sat nav system doesn't have this feature? Maybe the new cars without the new standard connector will be reduced, providing an incentive to buy them now. That wouldn't be especially surprising. Imo, that's not a valid argument. Having to carry an adapter is a valid point, but it's not a very big issue, imo.

@Paul-ow9dd 5 ай бұрын

NACS (North American Charging Standard) is just that, North American. Will be a LONG time before Chinese and European manufacturers make any change. Bit of a non-issue really. Bit like 110v vs 240v vs 50 Hz vs 60 Hz, and back in the analogue TV days PAL vs NTSC. The world hasn't imploded because of multiple standards. And, it's not all about what the USA decides to do either, otherwise we would have chosen the inferior NTSC TV standard back in the day.

@ramblerandy2397 5 ай бұрын

Enough about NACS in North America. It needs to be standardised in UK/Europe, China, and the rest of the world.

@jstar1000 5 ай бұрын

I've been saying that for several years myself but that is my opinion, you do what you want.

@Starship007 5 ай бұрын

Every manufacturer so far behind Tesla. Many non Tesla manufacturers only one battery type. Non Tesla manufacturers dream about FOTA AND SOTA OTA. It’s standard in Tesla. Recalls handed with updates. Other manufacturers must visit the dealership