The Geoff Buys Cars & MacMaster Collaboration 1. General Chat and The Range Testkzfaq.info/get/bejne/ic-VlsmfqrLbink.html 2. You Drive Mine, I’ll Drive Yourskzfaq.info/get/bejne/pKuao6qW2bzXf3U.html 3. The Big Chat and Summarykzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7moqdqg182ZmKM.html

Imagine owning an EV... I can't...

The most bonkers range test I’ve ever seen. Good times.

It's always a good day when my two favourite KZfaqrs do a collaboration video. Absolutely fantastic chaps 👍

Brilliant Day!!!!!!!! Can't believe the results!!!!!!! :0) Let's do it again soon. Onwards My Friend. 🕶

Telling Lee to park his firelighter next to your gorgeous BM was not a good idea Geoff😂

I see Lee has got his red fire extinguisher, never leaves home without it !

A massively entertaining duet there.. great entertainment. Thanks. 😁 .. far better than ANYTHING on mainstream TV ..

£100,000 buys a LOT of tanks of vPower for an old BMW... i never understand why people think it's a good financial decision to purchase an EV over a perfectly comfortable, powerful, efficient 10-20yr old car. Late 90s, Early 2000's cars were GOOD.

Try electric v my diesel Scirocco. 80 pound to fill and on a motorway at 65MPH It does 73MPG it will do 900 miles out of a tank.

The sad thing is I would rather have the BMW than the Porsche.

These old 6-cyl BMWs are fantastically efficient out on the open road. The first one I had (E36 325i coupe) would do about 36mpg on long runs despite the fact that I used to floor it at every opportunity (you could sort of get away with that back the early/mid 2000s). I later moved on to an E39 525i saloon which could do 42mpg on motorway runs even with the AC on (cruise control helped). Most recently I had a 330d sport auto which, despite being a rust bucket, still pulled like a train and my best figure was 53.5mpg... By contrast everyone says EVs never reach their claimed range in the real world, even if you don't use the AC, heater etc.

Great getting you two together. Over 100k and they are sourcing cheap Chinese parts 😂 Realistically I doubt the Taycan will reach the same age as the Beamer

My question is - how did they manage to create such sophisticated vehicles in such a very short space of time?? Unless they had prior knowledge of the agenda. Whether this comment makes it I have no idea as I have been in the YT naughty chair for 24 hours and most of my comments so far have been deleted.

This was a bit of fun to watch, you need more of this sort of levity to temper the existential angst of your current affairs coverage! Waves of nostalgia going back to when I was a snotty kid envious of my mate flexing with his dad's 528i's remote window feature, it was the Tesla touch screen of 2001 for sure. That car also got outrageous economy, being a manual driven by a welshman it did as good as 6.8l/100km on some occasions. Although, I have a theory that there is an inverse relationship between engine sound and economy. I'm currently driving one of the thirstiest cars I've owned, an Alfa 166 3.0 (auto), it's getting 11.5l/100km, which is substantially worse than the 8.8 my 4.2l XJ8 achieved, but it does so with the best exhaust note this side of an LS3, while the Jag purred very softly indeed! That noise is worth every cent of the $3.15/l premium fuel it gobbles 😁

The Porche is a whole concept in shocking design, BIG on the OUTSIDE, SMALL on the INSIDE

I saw one of those taycans in charcoal grey in a garage in fremantle a few months ago. blue looks better on taycans than soot black. I'd take the BMW all day long with that n-ICE engine under the bonnet 👍

My old Granada Ghia Auto was a 6 in line 2.9 litre. I loved how it sounded but your BMW sounds much more throaty. I'm sure your engine is far more powerful too. I did love flooring it from stationary, it's always fun in an auto box, and none of the boy racers of the time could keep up! Not that I raced them of course.....absolutely not (much). Those were the days!

I bought a metallic blue car last week thinking "oooh, that's a bit different"..... appears I was following the crowd 😅 But it is a 3.5l petrol, so hopefully Greta Doomsburg will get her panties in a twist 👍

Well done, great experiment. Lees face at the end is a picture. Wonderful collaboration.

My old boss had the same BMW, i loved how you sank into the seats when he floored it, good video, you two make a great pairing

You and Lee make a really good duo, love it when you do these type of videos, such fun to watch. I was so looking forward to seeing this video and it was fantastic as was the one you did with Lee in Ironbridge. And when Lee was wondering where he was going to charge his milk float. He could have, two miles away, Madeley Tesco. Anyway thanks guys for a great video.

I really enjoyed that. Cheers! 👍 Enjoying this with a 🍺

Tyres? John Codogan made a valid point, the equivelent electric to ICE is heavier and obviously causes more tyre wear, more good for the environment!

That "Mini" parked on the other side of Lee makes your 5 series look tiny Geoff.

Seen a little bit of you, seen a little bit of the MacMaster, this was quite enjoyable, Geoff! Collaborations is a nice thing! :)

Fabulous guys . My two favs .. do more 👍

'EVs ... an impractical solution to an Imaginary problem.' 👀

This was one one the most fun vids I've seen in a long time. Like one of the challenges on the old, good Top Gear.

The lesson here is don't buy modern german cars (or electric cars)! Love the porsche indicator water problem too - poor quality and no value for money there eh? Thanks Lads as usual great vid.

Great video Geoff I had a Audi S5 and the fuel consumption was anywhere between 8 to 48 mpg which I could not believe 👏👏👍👍

Absolutely brilliant vlogs just watched both vlogs from yourself and The Macmaster both are brilliant. Step way back Top Gear you two brilliant. Many thanks 👍 from Richard and Tanya from Southampton 👍

Excellent work lads 👍🏻🇬🇧

Great to see you back with the Mac Geoff 👍

Great video guys, heaps of fun. Only ever owned one BMW, early 90’s…car was a 2 door manual 325i. Sold it to get a wagon (wish yours was here back then) but that was about the time bmw’s here got a certain imagine that I didn’t quite fit

As a old woman that used to get up to do the washing up when Top Gear came on - I just love watching your video's! You are so funny even when you're on a rant [correction: ESPECIALLY when you're on a rant!]. Could do with you on the TV as you're better than the drivel that's on at the moment!

Love both these guys channels, to have them in 1 vid is fire

I can't wait for you guys to do the next video. I love you guys I always watch you and never get bored your the best.

Quality content! Love it

Important thing here - 25 years old, press the key and the windows go down! Sounds lovely - excellent choice

Been really looking forward to this! Gonna watch it later (once the missus has gone to bed) with a stiff drink 🥃 cheers!

It is what is on the other side of the Taycan in the opening shots that is of astonishing size! It is called a MINI but is almost as big as Geoff's BMW! The way the computer in the BMW calculates the mileage range left in the tank is based on the way you drive, The 84 miles you started with was based on the way you drove to the Morgan factory. Which must have been more aggressive or faster than you did to the pub! Now it reads 85 miles if you drive at the same way as you did to the pub!

Yous should do a similar video but over a much longer distance would be great to see

Great video lads I could go into the plethora of reasons why I don’t want an EV. But I can sum it up simply; If it costs more and inconveniences me, I don’t want it.

Lovely BM … I had a 97 323 i what a great car and the engine was so smooth . Sold it for £1200 with 85k on the clock

Hahaha, wait a min.... 😂 you got a Chemtrail on yah 😅

I got condensation in the headlamp of my E39. I drilled a very small hole in the top of it and it's not been a problem since.

My diesel mitzi 2.8 manual Pajero square brick...got 42 mpg out of it...not bad for doing most my miles off road..

1:37 What lovely, perfectly natural CLOUDS

At age 19 I had a 78 528i in 1991 (VBL354S) if I remember correctly I shredded the rest rear tyres within a week 😂😂 As for the range computer, I had a citroen as a courtesy car whilst my freelander was having a head gasket done, and I managed to get 26 miles to turn into 85. Driving like a tight ass, got about 30 miles in, and had to rush to a garage to fill up. It started misfiring.......so I wouldn't trust a range computer at all tbh. I drive a 2002 freelander and 2002 MB Vito, simple, robust, economical ish and great to work on, unlike modern shite. In my freelander I keep back up "energy" in the boot that is a fuel can, just in case....... Never needed it though😄👍

This is fantastic, just shows the absolute efficiency and proficiency of older more mpg friendly, environmentally friendly older BMW beats EV's every time!

Hey Jeff, do they crash test electric cars with their battery in place like they crash test proper cars?

i like you pair's collab's they work well

In every aspect the BMW wins hands down against the Taycan. But the greatest of them all is PRACTICALITY! ONCE AGAIN MOST ENTERTAINING!

Lee is a favourite of ours 👍

Geoff's result reminds me of a deceased friend of mine. My friend Alan said that he had so many fuel saving devices on his car he had to keep stopping to empty the tank! Geoff will have to do the same whenever he passes a fuel station. Gaining mileage the further he goes!

brilliant guys

my E38 190,000 miles Does 28 round town and 46 48 on a run , ive had it 3 years checked it many times

Excellent choice the BMW e39, I have 2 e39s, 520i and 525i, both have the silky smooth 6 cylinder engines...

Loving the Beemer more and more.

Best vid yet 😀

That 5 series is beautiful 😍

Stupid question, was the pub the Plough & Harrow?

Geoff, range in ICE is calculated differently comparing to EV. ICE trip computer calculates range based on current MPG. You could have gained way more MPG by trashing it on the way to car park. Good video nonetheless 🍻

Geoff if you fit the 2.5 inlet manifold you will get a big boost in hp as the 2.8 is restricted thats why it only has 1hp more then the 2.5 but if you have twin vanos you need the 330i inlet manifold and you could get upto about 245hp

You can fix the BMW condensation issue, my old 7 series did something similar.

Yeah range ests on both are dependant on the driving style beforehand ..

Good fun. I think your range is based on a prospective average related to current or recent consumption, during which you may well have been hypermiling. I think your mate probably wasn’t and was enjoying his nice plush Porsche in all of its glory. Having said that, EV range stats are clearly highly questionable. Why don’t you guys try a towing challenge? That’ll sort the men out from the boys.

Great to see how these modern cars compare. Even more impressive as the BMW has a bigger engine then you think, it's a big old 3.0L lump!

the sign you described is a GLF sign, I'll let you work it out

im telling you these late 90s early 2000s "big engine" cars they are actually quite efficient. i had 2.5 v6 omega it consumed not much more than 1.6 fsi golf but you have to be very careful. when leaving traffic lights i never pressed on gas, i always waited for car to roll then press on gas and just cruise around slowly

Back in the mid late 90’s I used to visit BMW dealers for work. There would be at least 5 to 8 cars with that 2.8 engine waiting for rebuilds at most dealers. They were very fragile for a while and a tight lipped secret.

Haha, you can compare the fuel consumption of a Boeing and conclude that the plane also lost less range than the Porsche. Irregardless of what interpretation of ‘efficiency’, it is fun to watch tho 😅 I guess that’s all what matters.

I love the fact that you both comment at the beginning how big the modern Porsche is compared to the E39, but both completely ignore how big the "mini" parked right next to it is! What has happened to modern cars? No wonder nobody uses their garages for cars anymore, & car parks are such a source of contention! House builders (& building regs) & car park designers have still not caught up with the fact that modern cars are waaaay much bigger than they used to be. Just compare an original mini side-by-side with a modern one.... literally twice the size (& weight)!

Geoff great video. But I was just looking at emmisions for petrol EV and Diesel. When it occurred to me that 10% of petrol has bio ethanol in it and 20% of my diesel is bio. The grid does not count the Co2 emmisions from burning bio mass. So if you do the maths and reduce the emmisions of ICe by the renewable fuel element the C02 emmissions are far lower. A petrol at 110g of Co2 is 99g of Co2 per km (fossil fuel 90% ethanol 10%) A diesel at 120g of Co2 has a fossil fuel Co2 per mile of 96g of Co2per km. (fossil fuel 80% bio diesel (20%) Using the same rules a Remote Emission Vehicle are 71g of Co2 per kWH (summer) 86 g of Co2 per kWh winter. grid 250 g of Co2 per kWh grid transfer efficiency 10% and charge to road efficiency of 77% summer 50% winter and 4.8 km per kWh This calculation is using summer lowest Co2 night emmisions in winter the Co2 rises significantly as the percentage of Fossil fuel generation increase massively and the gas power stations at maximum load are less efficient.

I owned a E39 528i and it is true that the range drops dramatically when cold then creeps back up as it gets warm. I traded it in for a F30. Massive mistake on my part as the F30 is crap compared to my E39. The build quality isn't there and the feel of control has gone. All my E39 needed was a respray and a tiny bit of welding to the rear inner sills. From the info I can gather the old car is now a donor. :(

Love it 😊 ( quote) Lee: " I think a little bit of wee came out there" 🤫 Geoff: " it's a dinosaur, but it goes " 😜

Can't believe they haven't fitted the alpina dials

Your BMW is very nice Geoff 👌

An ICE car has unlimited range if you have the gas money and you can stop for 3 minutes to refuel. We know this already. They're already talking about range anxiety and charging anxiety with EV car owners.

I was so close to pulling the trigger on a taycan turbo but so glad I didn't. happy with my diesel defender with 600 mile range instead

What engine is this? My uncle has a alpina b3 3.3 i think with the s52b33 engine

I thought Lee was going to say "Unbelievable Geoff"after the challenge. 😂

Does Geoff where tyres for shoes and that’s why he was bare foot when he used his tyreshoes to compare the porches tyres with his tyreshoes ? Brilliant video that was a fast 20 mins. I was maybe gonnie rate the breakfast if I got a to see it. 😂

Cor Lee’s tyres are cheap! Just cost me £1380 for 4 new Pirellis on my Jag!!! Mind you my indicators don’t self flush with water!! I really like Lee but that Porsche is a pile of crap! Like the old BMW though - built when BMWs were good.

My dream Beemer!

Also, you should do one the quickest to get there with the most mileage left you should’ve covered the mileage till the end of the journey, and then revealed at the end would’ve been better🤣

I am surprised on how close it was

That BMW is sweet. I do prefer a estate BMW to a saloon version. Oh another load of military helicopters flew over Bromsgrove today. Regular occurance at the moment.

I managed to see 1027km range in a 98 BMW 520i once. We were quite chuffed.

You’d have to be a bit of a ‘Jeremy Hunt’ to drive an EV.

Brilliant! I love watching EVs getting humiliated in range tests with ICE vehicles.

Just imagine the result if the Porsche had covered 160k miles and was 25 years old like the BMW..

The car passing at 5:12 is technically only a part time milk float (it’s a petrol hybrid Honda Jazz).

Where do you advertise your for sale cars Geoff?

If that BMW can also travel backwards in time, you could buy some Microsoft shares at their start price, & them sell at their peak. 😜

You could use a cb radio whilst driving, its totally legal to do.

because you drove carefully, the chip calculated consumption at the style you were using.... where it's previous was likely calculated at your previous driving style... at least that how it seems when you change driving style....

I like that bmw very nice, looks well for its age

fantastic one:) how about a real one though between the two. with fuelling times a trip that means you need to fuel up at halfway point. that would put into perspective the real issue besides the obvious milk float soulless EV sound on a drive. and preferably with similar aged vehicles to make it fair.