Are $2000 mountain bike brakes THAT much better?

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Are $2000 mountain bike brakes THAT much better?

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Are expensive brakes worth it?
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@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

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@markogasha3185 2 жыл бұрын

Bro why a uprgrade a budget full sus , you can buy a santa cruz megatower and uprgrade for a money you spent

@ronaldd8741 2 жыл бұрын

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@Gehajjs62727 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldd8741 No, Canyon is more overrated.

@sophiainternetcafe4277 2 жыл бұрын

hi can u give me ur low bike hehe idonthace enough money to buy one

@javiruizsoriano5630 2 жыл бұрын

Si quieres el mejor freno shimano xt + pinzas magura mt5

@asc3nsion100 2 жыл бұрын

yall talking like 400 bucks is a bargain lmao

@jonaqwerty 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly man I been here since the beginning and I’m glad to see what an amazing content creator you have become. IMO you have one of the best bike content channels on KZfaq at this moment. Can’t wait to see you grow even bigger.

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jonathan, that's a huge compliment. I hope to keep getting better and maybe even hire a camera man one day for studio stuff and even better videos

@athishmarutharaj6001 2 жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga goals

@forrestsears6885 2 жыл бұрын

This comment is great, I feel exactly the same. Subbed since

@NANDOOO94 2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@jaydenjimmy2826 2 жыл бұрын

same me too

@dimitar.hantov 2 жыл бұрын

2:26 Fluid escaping through the vent hole. The membrane in the reservoir is probably damaged or misalligned. In these brakes (as well as Hope Tech3/4) the mambrane also acts as a seal for the reservoir's lid. So if you put too much pressure in the reservoir, the membrane gets stretched too much and the sealing function is disturbed.

@mehdi2pac1 2 жыл бұрын

I had this problem with trickstuff brakes I had to replace the membrane

@harzenduro 2 жыл бұрын

@@mehdi2pac1 then you didn’t bleed them well and destroyed it.

@Medevil9908 2 жыл бұрын

Really looking forward to the finale. I'm predicting that the law of diminishing returns will be the major lesson when it's all finished.

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

Depends. Yes apart from the drivetrain and maybe dropper the expensive stuff will be better. BUT how much? In case of Shimano brake's for example xtr aren't really better than SLX considering how much more they cost.

@peoplesrepublicofchina8340 2 жыл бұрын

I would have gone for the Shimano mt520/501 as they are sub 100$ extremely powerful 4 pot brakes

@sakkek5349 2 жыл бұрын

And more then enough to most of ppl. Even on bike park rides.

@RenaxTM91 2 жыл бұрын

Yea I've had them and they'll outbrake the traction on pavement, so why do you need better brakes? There's something about heat dissipation but big rotors and brake management will help, only if you're hanging hard on the brakes at high speeds for 10+ minutes at a time you really need better brakes. and I've found not braking that much makes me go faster.

@hambo76 2 жыл бұрын

These are definitely sleeper brakes. I have the two piston setup and they feel and stop great. I'll upgrade the front to a four piston at some point (couldn't find stock at the time).

@unknownuser39999 2 жыл бұрын

@@sakkek5349 I have tried them and they arent that good. My 2 piston brakes stop better than these

@goosus Жыл бұрын

@@unknownuser39999 why would you make this comment and not even think to mention what your two pots are....

@Knitterfest 2 жыл бұрын

Next upgrade gonna be the frame itself. Kudos to your series, never thought a 3k bike is still a "lowbike"

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

With a full squish you gotta spend 3grand or something maybe 2,5k new to get something very good that you don't have to throw upgrades at instantly. If you can find a good deal on a frame you like you MIGHT be able to get away cheaper with going used or cheaper in some cases. I did go for mid Level suspension (a revelation wanted to get a Yari but got this Revelation with 100km on it for half the new price) on my Hardtail and 11spd instead of 12spd with a 11-46 cassette and i have SLX 4piston brake's which you can find on Hardtails that are a grand more than my Bike. So if you are smart you can get a good bike cheaper.

@h82fail 2 жыл бұрын

Like Kaede said 2.5-3k is the cheapest full suspension bike you can buy that is not a pile of crap. 1.5-2k for decent hardtail. If your starting out and can't spend that get a used bike that retailed for at least those prices.

@nicholkid 2 жыл бұрын

My piston fell out too when I bled my Magura brakes! Such a pain in the ass cause you have to start everything over again. And as a beginner mechanic it was already quite an involved job.

@paradox963 2 жыл бұрын

Did you not have the bleed blocks in? Magura's are really easy to bleed, if a bit different from others. Unless you're needing to flush the brake with all new fluid, most of the time you can just do a vacuum bleed from the lever. The biggest mistake I see is people over tightening the bleed port screw on the lever.

@laptopcat6673 2 жыл бұрын

It all felt too fast. I'm not quite ready to watch this series come to an end. This was a really fun series and educational at the same time. I hope I can see a sequel to this series in the near future!

@dh_filip624 2 жыл бұрын

When i swapped my 2 piston tektro brakes to a 4 piston saint brake, i noticed a massive differnce in performance i think the change was so worth it

@xxfyrezgamerxx6279 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine what a hopetech mono 6 ti caliper would be like, thing will probably send you flying with the stopping power that is has.

@dh_filip624 2 жыл бұрын

@@xxfyrezgamerxx6279 wish that i could find a much bigger rotor, would help much too.

@xxfyrezgamerxx6279 2 жыл бұрын

@@dh_filip624 look on Ebay, quite a nice few rotors and other branded brakes going at nice prices.

@pizzapie4me 2 жыл бұрын

@@xxfyrezgamerxx6279 Hope doesn't have more stopping power than Shimano Saint. Incredible brakes, but you're buying them for the adjustability, consistency and build quality. Not sheer stopping power.

@darrinkulyk9560 Жыл бұрын

Saints Are Awesome I have them on my CF Warden 203Floaters And MTX Pads ..... EXCELLENT SetUp😎 I Ride Vancouver 🙂

@CaliradoKid 2 жыл бұрын

Oh baby! I've got a set of Hayes Dominion A4's on their way to me as we speak. Lookin' forward to Maximum Brake-i-Tude.

@Tkolbo_ 2 жыл бұрын

I love my dominions. Literally the best brake I’ve used

@juanmartincorrea9698 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine the high-end bike parts on a s-works stumpjumper frame, Evan that would be the dreammm!!

@HarryL2020 2 жыл бұрын

That's probably his plan haha

@CSAPendemic 2 жыл бұрын

I actually worked at a Specialized store and we put for one customer his set of Maximas (he waited 1,5 years... 😅) on his S-Works Kenevo... Yeah, "deammm!!" is a pretty accurate description...😁😅👌

@sebastianeiselt37 2 жыл бұрын

I dont think the Stumpjumper frame would be an Upgrade though .. that geometry is Like 7 years old

@HarryL2020 2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianeiselt37 still fairly modern for the type of riding it's made for, reach and wheel base for example.

@sebastianeiselt37 2 жыл бұрын

@@HarryL2020 the EVO... Maybe. The normal Stumpjumpers geometry was modern in 2015...

@overweightbadger 2 жыл бұрын

Been lucky enough to ride two sets of maximas, once in the alps and another time on an ebike. I usually use code rsc and the trickstuff are on another level to codes and I’ve never once had an issue with the codes. But the lever feel and the power of the maximas together with their power pads which I now run no other brake can touch. No fade and the lever throw is so short and light you hardly have to use any effort with braking, takes some getting used to first time I rode with them I braked just before a berm and nearly went OTB 😂 in Europe they are not as pricey as the US but still well over €1000 a set. IMO they are worth the cash, I’ve raved about them for the last year since trying them but sadly I’m a poor so won’t ever get to own my own set just borrow my friends bike when he’s feeling kind.

@bobthedealer9970 2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see a comparison video between high bike and a equivalent stock $10,000 bike it’d put things in better perspective

@hiigara2085 2 жыл бұрын

This is the first episode where I'm going to have to disagree on the low side as it's still too expensive tbh. Dominions ain't cheap used either. Comparison for you is I've had Sram guide, Shimano 4 pots and Hope E4 brakes for under £200. Still other than that it's great broski

@fetB 2 жыл бұрын

yea, this is kind of a nonsense comparison. Hes comparing really good brakes to fancy ones. Obviously the difference is marginal

@dylan-5287 2 жыл бұрын

Haha I'd definitely consider Hayes dominion high level already. Low bike could have gone for a shimano mt520, probably the lowest cost you could go for great power.

@hiigara2085 2 жыл бұрын

@@dylan-5287 great choice. Those mt520 are probably the best price/performance ratio I've ever got out of a brake. New too. Used it's even better dealio. They felt just like saint or zee to me

@dylan-5287 2 жыл бұрын

@@hiigara2085 I'm a big fan of shimano brakes. Got a Zee in the front and basic mt401 in back. Their four piston brakes are super powerful. Gotta love the price to performance ratio.

@GibeinenNutzername 2 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see the "budget" breaks with a steel flex housing in comparsion.

@unclebenz86 2 жыл бұрын

people say you don't feel it. I'm running saints and i can definately tell which brake has the flex housing. since a friend is running my exact same bike same brakes with the regular braking hoses.

@harvmoid6065 2 жыл бұрын

So happy to see your channel grow, been here for a long time and the production quality is amazing. You deserve every bit of success you achieve :)

@braydonphillips3272 2 жыл бұрын

This series has been amazing! Love the content man keep up the awesome work!

@adamneulander 2 жыл бұрын

For value I gotta go for magura mt thirty. An mt5 except with a plastic lever blade (replaceable with an mt7 lever blade). Effectively a pair of mt7s for ~280 with some gently used hc lever blades.

@vidovec16 2 жыл бұрын

Just use SHIMANO Deore, SLX or XT Brakelever with mt5 calipers. The are the beasts!

@adamneulander 2 жыл бұрын

@@vidovec16 that's what im doing! Had xt m8000 on my knolly warden from when I got it, and the mt thirty is the cheapest way to get the mt5 caliper, and it has semi metallic pads, and comes with plenty of fresh brake line!

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

Since i have heard many ppl having stuck pistons on Magura i avoid em... Maybe great when the work but i rather stick to my SLX 4pot with koolstop pads.

@adamneulander 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 never had that happen to me or any of the boys 🤷‍♂️

@spicymountainbike 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 the magura pistons don’t stick. What you’re referring to is air trapped in the caliper keeping the pistons from working. Hydraulics don’t like air in the system at all. The air absolutely ruins maguras reputation from lousy bike mechanics. Once you get the air out all the pistons work in harmony and the MT series brakes are absolute dreams.

@jpm5324 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Hayes A4s on my enduro, very happy with them! Even on downhill courses my brakes never crossed my mind, they do their job prpperly. Got them for a nice discount too, about €350 for the set.

@matbike778 2 жыл бұрын

Cant wait for next episode keep doing what youre doing its great

@superbobert3402 2 жыл бұрын

I love how much this reminds me of the donut media series. Great job!!!

@ohi_4401 2 жыл бұрын

FRRRRR

@ohi_4401 2 жыл бұрын

even the music at the start is the same

@robinrai4973 2 жыл бұрын

Shimano Deore or above for sure for budget builders - super cheap to maintain, super cheap to buy (my four piston XT brakeset were 100 quid), and definitely strong enough - if it's good enough for downhill racers, its good enough for you! With that said, great video as usual!

@fackerhidonbush8420 2 жыл бұрын

My deore m6120 4 pot breaks bent my 203mm disk adapter and bcs it was bent my front caliper broke.

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

Would have gone for SLX 4 piston here and koolstop pads. Not sure if the M6120 deore are any worse. When shopping for part's the Deore weren't in stock so i took the SLX again like on my last bike.

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

@@fackerhidonbush8420 WTF!? What adapter was it?

@fackerhidonbush8420 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 original from shimano. I swaped it with one from aliexpress now. My problem is that i had too much stopping power with ceramic pads which are great.

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

@@fackerhidonbush8420 Too much is always better than not enaugh in this case :D I will swap tje stock ones in my SLX for Pads from koolstop. Ridden them once on a friend's bike and WOW! I NEED THOSE!

@_tamimhossain_ 2 жыл бұрын

From this series this channel is growing. Keep this work up and hopefully you will reach 100k end of this year best of luck.

@IIISentorIII 2 жыл бұрын

Those expensive brakes wile shine here in Switzerland when you decent from 3300m to 800m (10826 feet - 2624 feet). with the "cheap" ones you will have to stop a couple of times to let them cool down :) Cheers

@dougsrosen 2 жыл бұрын

It's more complex than that. It includes fluid, brake pad composition, tires, weight of bike and rider... It's just not that simple. Also this test isn't scientific to my satisfaction unfortunately although it's fun to watch.

@allmtbnzscottbrownhill2896 2 жыл бұрын

Most people change brakes because they want a different feel and consistent bite point over stopping power. Just changing the disc and pads can make a drastic difference to the feel. Ive never tried a stopping test like that but to be honnest I expected more weight transfer under heavy braking.

@phenofinder9145 9 ай бұрын

Those original mt201 are actually worthy of competition in the highest level. Change pads to semi metallic, rotors need replaced to be compatible with semi metallics. Then bleed them really really good. They are amazing after that

@purplegarage05 2 жыл бұрын

Cant wait for the finale this series has been awesome

@arilandedflat Жыл бұрын

This video is amazing! Really happy to see your content get higher and higher quality. Great video!

@jeremycrystalhess5520 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve had a set of Code Rs with MTX red label pads for two years. No problems and very consistent performance on big mountain trails here in Colorado.

@JC27813 Жыл бұрын

Just installed the MTX pads myself on Code R's. Can't wait to try them out.

@fishrideandski4910 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve never even new that breaks could be that expensive

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

Yea i expected like a grand MAX

@NOUS123ONE 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 They are a grand in Europe.

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

@@NOUS123ONE Still crazy

@NOUS123ONE 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 Machined and engineered completely in Germany. Thats just what labour here costs. We are just too used to cheap mass produced stuff made in China.

@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын

@@NOUS123ONE True. Still a lot of money tho

@arcticstorm1988 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Germany✌ nice to see someone using Trickstuff brakes :) as a Maxima owner i can tell how frustrating it can be to bleed these brakes. But when you're doing it right they are way ahead of any other brakes on the market. Maybe you should try the Trickstuff Rotors for best performance. The Maxima should stop you way earlier than the Hayes

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Oh nice to hear you have them too! I heard that the Maxima have a very long bed in process

@PanaehaliTut 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, there shouldnt be much diference at a first stop. Its basically tires and surface that limits you. When you really need good brakes is a long downhill section where some brakes might experience extensive fading due to the heat.

@arcticstorm1988 2 жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga yes you should take some time to properly bed them in. I had the Code Rsc, Magura MT7 and even the Trickstuff Direttissima. But when they launched the Maxima...i had to have them. I dont know if you want to keep the brakes after the projekt, but they will be worth every cent and will do a good..no..the best job for many years. Like you said the quality is above everyzhing else

@leonmargerison3888 2 жыл бұрын

hopefully in the final episode he gets a new frame

@destinhook3826 2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@X41N3 Жыл бұрын

I can't believe that ur my age and spent 2k on used brakes and to top it off use regular sunflower oil to fill/bleed em. Hats off dear sir

@klausliedler2374 2 жыл бұрын

TRICKSTUFF speaking: Sometimes reading (and following) the manual helps! We are happy that our brakes are featured in such a video, but the author's bleed process was not perfect. I can promise: If they are bled and installed correctly every user has been satisfied up to date.

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Klaus! The bleed process was difficult. On a follow up video, I finally nailed the bleed process to perfection with the proper oil and proper bleed block. The bleed felt like a skill I had to perfect 🤣. But it also helped me bleed other brakes after that. I did test your brakes against Shigura, and the trickstuff are definitely the most powerful.

@dirtyjedi718 Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga did you really use that oil ?. lol

@thecountryog Жыл бұрын

Moin Klaus

@speedpilot Жыл бұрын

I fully understand klaus point here. You did not even use the right oil that is recommended for the brakes. The Bleeding and the oil are the most important parts to get right for a good performance. I feel like this lack of effort is really a shame since you were ready to spend 2000 Dollars on those brakes. @Evans MTB Saga

@georgeforeman89 Жыл бұрын

I HIGHLY doubt 100% of customers are satisfied. That's an incredibly suspicious claim to make.

@jvamustangs Жыл бұрын

Sometimes I think companies charge too much money for what they sell, I bought the wildwood 6 piston calipers with race spec bushings and 2 piece rotors and pads included for my COBRA for $1700 brand new ,and some of these bike parts cost more than a used Honda civic lol 😆.

@mikeynaziri 2 жыл бұрын

I’m genuinely glad brad used sunflower oil instead of bionol oil, use what you got!

@WStar4Life 10 ай бұрын

I caught a sale and upgraded the MT200 brakes on my Marin Rift Zone 2 to Deore XT BL-M8100 levers and BR-M8120 4 piston calipers front and rear. I also upgraded crap rotors to MT800 rotors. I know 4 piston in rear is a bit overkill but with the sale only paid $280 for levers, calipers, and rotors both front and rear!

@NatNetNitNotNut 2 жыл бұрын

i have been following this series and enjoying it so far mainly because of the good choices of parts to compare, coming from the disappointment from PB's version. but I have to say this episode is something I have to nitpick which is the choice for the low bike. Even though you bought it 2nd hand and cheaper from SRP, Dominion A4 is by no means a low tier "budget" brake price and performance wise so for me it looks like you're just comparing a high tier brake vs a super premium thus the essence of how a budget build feels vs a premium one is not present. I was expecting more of a deore quads level kind of, so you can really compare and see if the premium price is worth it. sorry for the essay lol, just saying how I feel.

@Mare381 2 жыл бұрын

Magura mt5 2 Pistons is a Good Upgrade shimano slx or if you can find a good pair on shimono deore xt 4 piston breaks

@byp4ss514 2 жыл бұрын

> mt5 2 Pistons have you been drinking

@bigslacker666 2 жыл бұрын

I've never understood parts maximizing to brakes. Just about any brakes these days (of the appropriate size for the bike/trail) are totally fine for setting corner entry speed and even panic braking on trail you'll lock 'em up. The argument can be made for feel/engagement if you're a finesse braker but otherwise I can't get my head around $1k+ on brakes when you could spend that money on suspension, tires, etc. Note that I'm a reasonably fast rider that does a lot of park and shuttle. I'm not anti-brakes. ;)

@nicksonsbikeski440 2 жыл бұрын

I could not disagree with you more. I have own & have ridden in lots of terrain, by far my Hayes A4 are miles better than Sram Guide. I've not owned a shimano 4 piston, but many other shimano brakes. Once you run a better brake, you are actually a faster rider. seems counter intuitive, but you can enter corners later with a better brake, less fade & the Hayes have the nicest lever feel out of anything I've worked on or owned.

@bigslacker666 2 жыл бұрын

@@nicksonsbikeski440 I've run a lot of different brakes on my bikes over the years. Never once have I swapped brakes and added seconds to a trail time and I GPS track every ride. I think if you're adding seconds by swapping brakes you either didn't have enough brake to begin with (not brand specific) or a certain brand gives you a feel that adds more confidence. The latter isn't necessarily the other brake's fault as long as it had appropriate power, the rider just didn't adapt to it. I'm personally just brake agnostic. It's not that they don't have some slightly different feel, it's just that given enough stopping power I'm not bothered by the feel and get used to them after a ride or two and not a second thought after that.

@h0udinl 2 жыл бұрын

I ride 10000% more confident when I know I can stop and I also knew I won’t overheat them

@jaspersymons3088 2 жыл бұрын

i could disagree, speed comes from bike being set up the way you like it which comes at a cost. sure cheaper brakes are good but top level brakes are so much better. i run a 29er super enduro norco range hp and had it come with some low level shimanos and they could barely stop it i put my saints on it is so much better. upgrading brakes are my go to because suspension is always smooth nowadays no matter the model

@ameraldas3641 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigslacker666 Brakes make a huge difference in decending capability. especially on super steep trails, like horseface, or when going 30 mph on a downhill into a hairpin turn, brakes make a huge difference.

@nosreuter 2 жыл бұрын

First and foremost, respect for an amazing series regarding both content and quality 👌 Your going the extra mile here finding some serially good bang for the buck on the low bike and simultaneously totally spoiling the high bike. I'm curious if the difference in the bikes weight, especially wheel weight, could offset some of the braking results, cause you do run the same tyres right? That said I'm sure the Trickstuff is awfully powerful! Personally I'm eying up the Dominions as an upgrade for my Guide RSC:s and this didn't put me off.

@thomasseverini6820 Ай бұрын

I did some math taking into consideration the two masses, and the difference (in Newtons) in stopping power is really thin. I don't know about the disc diameters, but if you put a smaller one for the cheapest brakes, the amount of force the pistons had to impress on the rotor is greater for the cheapest brakes.

@Digthenride 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing editing and video can’t wait for the final episode. Question, when the series finishes will you keep the parts on the bikes or change them around to different bikes like the nucleus or d7

@ChannelZeroOne Жыл бұрын

One finger setup is a must.I refuse to use anythign else. The brakes with bite/contact adjustment are nice, but there are tricks to get the bite point where you want after setting reach. Overall that's all that sets apart the brakes for me. Pads I use the same combo on every bike. One side is semi, one organic. This mixed approach covers contamination issues with the surface. No matter what brake I use once I adapt to it, there is no change in my stopping power.

@timescueta57 2 жыл бұрын

Nice videos mate! I've been waiting for this so long! ❤️

@donnovicki9771 2 жыл бұрын

Keeps hair team on standby 24/7 for hair emergencies! You gotta love it.........

@Ndriver0458 2 жыл бұрын

ngl that intro feels like the donut media intro for their hi-low series

@scrappyhustler7467 2 жыл бұрын

We gotta help get Evans mtb channel up to Seth's level also the shredist both heavily underrated channels imo!

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude that's a big compliment!

@mtbboy1993 2 жыл бұрын

5:08 I recommend to apply a drop of thread locker to create a bond between the surfaces. It makes a difference, I've tested it.

@Gallardo6669 2 жыл бұрын

Hollow claims. I was a test rider for Frank industries out of engelsbrand in Germany.these were in 2007 the best brakes in the world and still are. They were used mon a 150horsepower race bike initially. Unfortunately a few suppliers put Frank industries in bankruptcy. I still ride mine, 230/210mm disc . The brake design is still up for sale....

@Thatguyno.1 2 жыл бұрын

This KZfaq channel is so underrated keep up the good vids

@vashusan1984 2 жыл бұрын

Love my Hayes, so much adjustment and incredible stopping power.

@orestisvas7277 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting, I am thinking about getting the A4's would you recommend for downhill focused riding?

@nicksonsbikeski440 2 жыл бұрын

@@orestisvas7277 absolutely. I own on my personal bike & have sold quite a few Hayes. Wonderful brake.

@OneNubNinja 2 жыл бұрын

@@orestisvas7277 100%. I have a set on my enduro bike and they’re a dream.

@vashusan1984 2 жыл бұрын

@@orestisvas7277 I agree, I ride some steep stuff and they are pretty fade resistant.

@orestisvas7277 2 жыл бұрын

@@vashusan1984 thanks

@Justin-yk1nv 2 жыл бұрын

Just put some lever grips in those things should probably solve the slippery problem on the lever and it feels nice too just like what seth said

@SLPrevious 11 ай бұрын

Had a new Saint M820 leaking and didn’t knew. Took me 2 sets of pads to figure it out…… Riding the XTR M9120 now and did not have any problems 🙏🏻

@justk6988 2 жыл бұрын

Mann U video are the best broo i watch u video alot Is great love from 🇲🇾

@mtbfiend2515 2 жыл бұрын

It’s crazy that the you went from upgrading your wife’s mountain bike with a $100 Chinese fork to a $2000 brakes. I would have gone with sram or Shimano brakes but its interesting to see some more variety. What do you plan on doing with the bikes now that they are finished?

@matthewshepherd826 2 жыл бұрын

This has been amazing! Well done!

@faisalkhaled4845 2 жыл бұрын

I love this vids I’ve been waiting for this one

@user-qi2ok6en5v 2 жыл бұрын

You’ve probably already noticed/fixed it, but your front brake on the low-end bike wasn’t mounted properly. There’s a lot of space between the calliper and the brake mount. Check 9:05

@MaplePanda04 2 жыл бұрын

Jeez, that’s terrifying. What’s happening is that the adaptor doesn’t dip low enough, and you can see that the caliper is bottoming out on the adaptor, so the lower bolt couldn’t be fully tightened. That’s really scary to see.

@goa5373 2 жыл бұрын

it looks like my hope tech 2 that is 10 years old and never had a bleed are better than both of these brakes. nice video, i'm keeping my brakes.

@GhettoSuguru 2 жыл бұрын

Should have went with slx 4 pots they were value

@vagg6078 2 жыл бұрын

Finally!! New video after 13days

@Goigigandfriends 2 жыл бұрын

I am just loving these videos hoping I run into you on the trails!

@jakelansner6967 2 жыл бұрын

Loved this series!

@ninjazzrhythm400 2 жыл бұрын

I looked up all type of oils and I found out they're all the same if used correctly. I was thinking about experimenting on using cooking oil too since they're all high temp boiling point. I found out peanut oil, saf flower oil have the highest boiling point. I love my Hayes brakes, and bought a 2nd pair for my other bike. I'm also sort of doing high low bike ut my low bike have all the chinese parts from aliexpress lol. Real budget bikes!

@fpsgenerator 2 жыл бұрын

I like the video, but i don't think hayes is the right brake for a comparison. It's a flagship brake and it's not that cheap after all. Imo you should've picked something more budget and popular on the trails like 4-piston shimanos or MT5 for a proper comparison

@microbhai 2 жыл бұрын

you should also include $40 brakes too

@HarryL2020 2 жыл бұрын

My shimano SLX will either send me otb or front will slide if I didn't modulate, so yeah... shimano for the win 😅

@owenissimo 2 жыл бұрын

I know the best breaks for the price

@lincolnlu9869 2 жыл бұрын

Something about a set of 2 grand set of brakes using Wal-Mart sunflower oil is funny to me.

@jasonkroll2735 2 жыл бұрын

The stopping percentage differences is about the same as the bikes weights differences. Switch bikes , and re-test.

@mtbboy1993 2 жыл бұрын

8:19 You can add rubber tape on the levers or use anti slip/grip tape, but rubber tape won't wear your gloves as fast. I had Tesa anti slip tape, but now I am trying Marsh Guard Slapper Tape. all lever blades I've tried are slippery compared to rubber. Formula has a tiny texture to it, but still not super grippy.I think Formula is a good alternative to these brakes. But I've not tried these brakes.

@aserta 11 ай бұрын

Dip your brake levers in liquid rubber after you've done some roughing to the surface. You can buy second hand levers if you feel unsure you want to do this. The finished item will last you quite a while, and when it does eventually brake, you can just take it off, and repeat the process again. Buy the best liquid rubber kit on the market, don't skimp on it and yes, the rough surface is a must for this, you can't do it on the smooth surface, it will come off. I used a bastard file to roughen up my levers, using its edge to make a bastardized rhombus pattern on them. It's vital that you do the surface where your fingers land, the edges where it goes on the back and the tip of the lever arm. The gaps and sides aren't as important. Depending on what liquid rubber kit you buy, you can even have texture (small chunks of rubber embedded into the liquid rubber). These kits are mainly for making your own rubberized handles on tools.

@mtbboy1993 11 ай бұрын

@@aserta Great advice. thx for sharing. Not something I have to do now, as I upgraded the levers to RG Components, they have bearings, holes in the lever blade for the fingers to grip. I don't know why Trickstuff nor Formula did this.

@quentinradsma7616 5 ай бұрын

Would love to test those brakes on street trials. That will show real strength

@Jacob99174 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent job, Evan!

@Laurinmtb Ай бұрын

I would’ve used hope tech 3 for the cheap upgrade. You can buy them for about 300$ used and they’re by far my favourite brakes of all time.

@EvansMTBSaga Ай бұрын

Nicely put! Id definitely let you ride it. It's a pretty fun system

@KYMXRacer 2 жыл бұрын

TLDR: Buy middle grade components - unless you’re making a living from racing or have money to burn. Still interesting to see the comparisons. Way better than Pinkbike!

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Did you read my finale script? 🤣

@da-ka666 7 ай бұрын

The dominions are absolutely unbeatable!

@uthamanroschke186 2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure 400 is more than Enough to get someone really good brakes

@TheNinthPhotography 17 күн бұрын

Not sure if that is really a good test of stopping power - the limit of how fast you can stop on a paved road is probably the grip of the tires, not the power of the brakes. The difference I guess is that you need less hand power as input to achieve the same result, and therefore on longer descents the more powerful brakes will leave you less fatigued.

@sebterranean6258 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I've used some mildly expensive brakes on my bikes. Shimano xtr 2 piston got my XC bike and sram code rsc for my enduro. Crazy to think that there are better and/or more expensive brakes than the RSC's out there

@leomit5o 2 жыл бұрын

Ever seen or tried Magura MT7? Those are literally the best in their price category

@sebterranean6258 2 жыл бұрын

@@leomit5o from what's I've heard yes. I haven't tried them. If I decide to upgrade in the future I will but as of right now the code rsc's don't have any negatives for me and have more than enough stopping power....especially since I'm 150lbs.

@leomit5o 2 жыл бұрын

@@sebterranean6258 I actually am running them and had them after RSCs. They have quite a lot more power and are a bit more aggressive imo

@seven9766 2 жыл бұрын

@@leomit5o They are great until for some reasons the master cylinder starts leaking. Idk if i was unlucky, but i had one bad from the factory, they didn't really have a replacement so i went the shigura route. Cost me more than i had hoped but it's really the best brake i have tried so far.

@leomit5o 2 жыл бұрын

@@seven9766 heard a few people having the same problem. Never had it myself though

@mkmornz804 6 ай бұрын

You're not like most reviewers because you don't care about popular opinions and if your honest assessment in your final conclusion isn't what most would expect. Your choice of music also is great. I don't have to lower volume every time refurbished disco comes on like other sites that reviewers seem to all have. That 80s style music of different genres u have in your videos have me staying to the end. Continue doing a great job

@BrandonMeyer1641 2 жыл бұрын

You should have went for the Shimano mt500. Or mt501 for quad ceramic piston calipers. Way better value. Half the price brand new. Very very good brakes. Noticeably better than whatever was on there before.

@MaplePanda04 2 жыл бұрын

MT520 is the quad piston one.

@kellyriffle4750 2 жыл бұрын

Have Dominions on my Intense Tazer ebike and my Ibis Ripmo AF and I absolutely LOVE them! Best upgrade I made on the ebike!

@gabrielteodosio9756 2 жыл бұрын

Finely I was wait you to uploaded

@andychow7696 2 жыл бұрын

I recently finished a resto/upgrade of my '05 GT Ruckus i-drive and when it came to deciding what brakes to go for I decided to go moto and run SLX - M7100 2-pot rear and M7120 4-pot front with RT-86 rotors. It's so stupid it works, and works well 🤣

@cody5495 Жыл бұрын

been using my $60 amazon hydraulic brakes for years, work great. Now I can afford my sons college tuition.

@darrinkulyk9560 Жыл бұрын

I Bought a Set Of Used Saints with 2 200mmRotors For 280$ 😆 Run 203Floaters With MTX Pads 😎

@ultragorepictures883 4 ай бұрын

You don't need $2000 at all, the best hydraulic brakes you can buy costs only $110 They are called "Magura HS33" mady in Germany, no maintenance, they will always work, you sent me a beer for my good free advise

@fadebm7279 2 жыл бұрын

I love your video like actually keep it up

@andrewdiestro5907 2 жыл бұрын

definitely better than pinkbike you should do more of this but the goal is is expensive more lighter or nah im waitng for more episodes keep it up man

@owenbirch6188 2 жыл бұрын

These videos are getting sooo many views. Nice to see your channel growing and probably paying off the cash for the high bike 😂

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's pretty much breaking even!

@christianjacob727 2 жыл бұрын

Excited for the finale. I have watched all episodes. Ive got the same siskiu d5 bike and slowly upgraded the parts and transformed it to a 3300 usd bike.😄

@byp4ss514 2 жыл бұрын

pure waste of money

@h0udinl 2 жыл бұрын

@@byp4ss514 explain

@aminekamili3586 Жыл бұрын

Bro 400 dollar for bike brakes My whole budget to buy an entire bike is 200 dollars

@niz989 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the comparison between the two is flawed. I haven't seen the whole series on high / low, but I think I get the concept. In my opinion, a proper comparison would have been testing both sets on the same bike. I assume these Bikes have different wheels and tires ? That alone is a huge variable. Test them on the same bike, it doesn't matter which one, and then Install them on the high / low bikes afterwards to tally up the costs totals. This test didn't really compare anything except for cost. All it did was show how each brake worked for the setup it was installed on.

@NatNetNitNotNut 2 жыл бұрын

the series is about low vs high budget bike so they naturally have different setups to compare the bike as a whole, not just the brakes or a particular part. else it would just have been a comparison review.

@niz989 2 жыл бұрын

@@NatNetNitNotNut I understand and accept that argument. However, the title is literally "Are $2k brakes better than $400 brakes."

@NatNetNitNotNut 2 жыл бұрын

@@niz989 true. I didnt really notice the title because i've been following this series which in context is about 2 differently priced bikes. However the dominion is really not appropriate for a low budget build so im not happy with this episode.

@EvansMTBSaga 2 жыл бұрын

Swap the brakes, then swap again... You're insane.

@adamfodor1802 2 жыл бұрын

when you did the power test, i couldnt really believe you.. when i ride my bike, my slx 4 pistons has so much power, i would go otb, but you didn't even lean back or something.. The video is super cool tho, I'm just saying they weren't fully better in

@suitinaute 2 жыл бұрын

Bleed brakes off bike, disconnect lever, thread hose through frame, reconnect lever, and hopefully no air was introduced to the line while it was jiggling around in the frame. Seriously, grumpy old mtber here, but internal brake hose routing is a shit idea which proves very little. Something that functions well, executes the job it was designed to do perfectly, and is easy to work on, is a beautiful thing in my eyes.